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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited February 2017
    my2hands said:

    Hillary is going to keep her options open for 2020... no doubt about it... especially considering she just won the popular vote by 3 million and would still be younger than Trump is now

    Well, her running would be a solid reason for me to continue not voting democrat..."Still not with her"
    Post edited by PJPOWER on
  • BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    The real story here is why are there so many illegal leaks coming out of Washington? Will these leaks be happening as I deal on N.Korea etc?

    That's not the real story. The insiders have always leaked to the press. Have you never heard of Deep Throat? This is how we keep tabs on our elected leaders. God bless the whistle blowers.
    A whistleblower courageously comes forward to the public. It puts a face to the accusation which is far more powerful compared to unsubstantiated leaks. It doesn't mean the leaks are not accurate but this is not the same.
    so you want to see them found in a dumpster with a bullet hole in the back of their head?
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,442
    Yeah please like I said the rabbit hole is deep so now Bafoon wants to know who's leaking info lol like as if he is totally innocent, I'm not buying it he needs to go down in flames !!
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    vaggar99 said:

    my2hands said:

    I think optimism is speaking in this thread recently.

    I'm not so sure Trump has one foot out the door, folks.

    I hope he stays all 4 years because he is obviously a disaster and this is the best thing to ever happen to the progressive movement in North America...

    The best part of this fiasco is that it is destroying their credibility and agenda...

    But honestly... I want this orange bully to be proven to be a traitor in bed with the Russians and do the perp walk out of the White House.
    it's all fun and games until a nuke goes off
    I'm of the same thinking. I want his 4 years of nonsense to destroy the republican far right, but at the same time, how much damage is he going to do if he's in office that long.
    People thought his candidacy alone would destroy the republican party and yet they are more republicans in government then ever. The Flynn resignation certainly doesn't look good but there is no evidence that Trump is doing "damage". The policies he has put in place are still in line with what his voters wanted and I don't see that changing regardless how messy it appears. His campaign was messy...he had three different campaign managers until he found success. People will be hired and fired based on results and it's quite possible the removal of Flynn will be a blessing in disguise as there has always been tension between him and the intelligence agencies. Nothing that has happened so far has made the electoral terrain any better for the Dems in 2018. The question is when/if the messiness becomes electorally significant?
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    BS44325 said:

    vaggar99 said:

    my2hands said:

    I think optimism is speaking in this thread recently.

    I'm not so sure Trump has one foot out the door, folks.

    I hope he stays all 4 years because he is obviously a disaster and this is the best thing to ever happen to the progressive movement in North America...

    The best part of this fiasco is that it is destroying their credibility and agenda...

    But honestly... I want this orange bully to be proven to be a traitor in bed with the Russians and do the perp walk out of the White House.
    it's all fun and games until a nuke goes off
    I'm of the same thinking. I want his 4 years of nonsense to destroy the republican far right, but at the same time, how much damage is he going to do if he's in office that long.
    People thought his candidacy alone would destroy the republican party and yet they are more republicans in government then ever. The Flynn resignation certainly doesn't look good but there is no evidence that Trump is doing "damage". The policies he has put in place are still in line with what his voters wanted and I don't see that changing regardless how messy it appears. His campaign was messy...he had three different campaign managers until he found success. People will be hired and fired based on results and it's quite possible the removal of Flynn will be a blessing in disguise as there has always been tension between him and the intelligence agencies. Nothing that has happened so far has made the electoral terrain any better for the Dems in 2018. The question is when/if the messiness becomes electorally significant?
    I also remember people saying that the republican response to Obama would end the Republican Party...and here it is 2017 and...
  • BS44325 said:

    vaggar99 said:

    my2hands said:

    I think optimism is speaking in this thread recently.

    I'm not so sure Trump has one foot out the door, folks.

    I hope he stays all 4 years because he is obviously a disaster and this is the best thing to ever happen to the progressive movement in North America...

    The best part of this fiasco is that it is destroying their credibility and agenda...

    But honestly... I want this orange bully to be proven to be a traitor in bed with the Russians and do the perp walk out of the White House.
    it's all fun and games until a nuke goes off
    I'm of the same thinking. I want his 4 years of nonsense to destroy the republican far right, but at the same time, how much damage is he going to do if he's in office that long.
    People thought his candidacy alone would destroy the republican party and yet they are more republicans in government then ever. The Flynn resignation certainly doesn't look good but there is no evidence that Trump is doing "damage". The policies he has put in place are still in line with what his voters wanted and I don't see that changing regardless how messy it appears. His campaign was messy...he had three different campaign managers until he found success. People will be hired and fired based on results and it's quite possible the removal of Flynn will be a blessing in disguise as there has always been tension between him and the intelligence agencies. Nothing that has happened so far has made the electoral terrain any better for the Dems in 2018. The question is when/if the messiness becomes electorally significant?
    I'd say his bromance with Puty is evidence of damage.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,641
    BS44325 said:

    vaggar99 said:

    my2hands said:

    I think optimism is speaking in this thread recently.

    I'm not so sure Trump has one foot out the door, folks.

    I hope he stays all 4 years because he is obviously a disaster and this is the best thing to ever happen to the progressive movement in North America...

    The best part of this fiasco is that it is destroying their credibility and agenda...

    But honestly... I want this orange bully to be proven to be a traitor in bed with the Russians and do the perp walk out of the White House.
    it's all fun and games until a nuke goes off
    I'm of the same thinking. I want his 4 years of nonsense to destroy the republican far right, but at the same time, how much damage is he going to do if he's in office that long.
    People thought his candidacy alone would destroy the republican party and yet they are more republicans in government then ever. The Flynn resignation certainly doesn't look good but there is no evidence that Trump is doing "damage". The policies he has put in place are still in line with what his voters wanted and I don't see that changing regardless how messy it appears. His campaign was messy...he had three different campaign managers until he found success. People will be hired and fired based on results and it's quite possible the removal of Flynn will be a blessing in disguise as there has always been tension between him and the intelligence agencies. Nothing that has happened so far has made the electoral terrain any better for the Dems in 2018. The question is when/if the messiness becomes electorally significant?
    Can you tell me the policies that he put in place that are in effect today? I literally can think of zero. All of those EO's he signed were a bunch of marketing fluff.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    If they Midwest economy is strong four years from now, he will win a second term. And there is nothing with East and West coast can do about it even if they have the popular vote.
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,442
    BS44325 said:

    vaggar99 said:

    my2hands said:

    I think optimism is speaking in this thread recently.

    I'm not so sure Trump has one foot out the door, folks.

    I hope he stays all 4 years because he is obviously a disaster and this is the best thing to ever happen to the progressive movement in North America...

    The best part of this fiasco is that it is destroying their credibility and agenda...

    But honestly... I want this orange bully to be proven to be a traitor in bed with the Russians and do the perp walk out of the White House.
    it's all fun and games until a nuke goes off
    I'm of the same thinking. I want his 4 years of nonsense to destroy the republican far right, but at the same time, how much damage is he going to do if he's in office that long.
    People thought his candidacy alone would destroy the republican party and yet they are more republicans in government then ever. The Flynn resignation certainly doesn't look good but there is no evidence that Trump is doing "damage". The policies he has put in place are still in line with what his voters wanted and I don't see that changing regardless how messy it appears. His campaign was messy...he had three different campaign managers until he found success. People will be hired and fired based on results and it's quite possible the removal of Flynn will be a blessing in disguise as there has always been tension between him and the intelligence agencies. Nothing that has happened so far has made the electoral terrain any better for the Dems in 2018. The question is when/if the messiness becomes electorally significant?
    lol we're not even 2months into his presidency and your already claiming nothing will come of the mess that's hounding him !
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,067
    Jason P said:

    If they Midwest economy is strong four years from now, he will win a second term. And there is nothing with East and West coast can do about it even if they have the popular vote.

    Most signs were showing the Midwest recovered pretty well. I don't think it was economic. How many more articles can I read telling me how great things are in Elkhart now? trump campaigning on an economic message in the midwest was in a sense a gateway to convince whites they were being left behind. And he made a vilian for them.
  • BS44325 said:

    vaggar99 said:

    my2hands said:

    I think optimism is speaking in this thread recently.

    I'm not so sure Trump has one foot out the door, folks.

    I hope he stays all 4 years because he is obviously a disaster and this is the best thing to ever happen to the progressive movement in North America...

    The best part of this fiasco is that it is destroying their credibility and agenda...

    But honestly... I want this orange bully to be proven to be a traitor in bed with the Russians and do the perp walk out of the White House.
    it's all fun and games until a nuke goes off
    I'm of the same thinking. I want his 4 years of nonsense to destroy the republican far right, but at the same time, how much damage is he going to do if he's in office that long.
    People thought his candidacy alone would destroy the republican party and yet they are more republicans in government then ever. The Flynn resignation certainly doesn't look good but there is no evidence that Trump is doing "damage". The policies he has put in place are still in line with what his voters wanted and I don't see that changing regardless how messy it appears. His campaign was messy...he had three different campaign managers until he found success. People will be hired and fired based on results and it's quite possible the removal of Flynn will be a blessing in disguise as there has always been tension between him and the intelligence agencies. Nothing that has happened so far has made the electoral terrain any better for the Dems in 2018. The question is when/if the messiness becomes electorally significant?
    lol we're not even 2months into his presidency and your already claiming nothing will come of the mess that's hounding him !
    no, he's not. he's saying no one knows yet, which is true.
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  • vaggar99vaggar99 Posts: 3,427
    edited February 2017
    Jason P said:

    If they Midwest economy is strong four years from now, he will win a second term. And there is nothing with East and West coast can do about it even if they have the popular vote.

    i work for a franchised retail chain. we have 40 locations around the state of TX. our business has been down 10 to 20 percent every month since October. This is very alarming for us. We are used to 5 to 10 percent growth even in a weak economy. Lesson? Well, we are not the only ones experiencing this and the stock market indices dont seem to have picked up on this trend. But consumer confidence is way down in this region. Not sure why it's not getting much attention. But it's real. We are close to entering a panic mode here.
    Post edited by vaggar99 on
  • mfc2006mfc2006 Posts: 37,435
    vaggar99 said:

    Jason P said:

    If they Midwest economy is strong four years from now, he will win a second term. And there is nothing with East and West coast can do about it even if they have the popular vote.

    i work for a franchised retail chain. we have 40 locations around the state of TX. our business has been down 10 to 20 percent every month since October. This is very alarming for us. We are used to 5 to 10 percent growth even in a weak economy. Lesson? Well, we are not the only ones experiencing this. The stock market does not reflect it either. But consumer confidence is way down in this region. Not sure why it's getting much attention. But it's real. We are close to entering a panic mode here.
    I sincerely hope it bounces back for you all.
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    vaggar99 said:

    my2hands said:

    I think optimism is speaking in this thread recently.

    I'm not so sure Trump has one foot out the door, folks.

    I hope he stays all 4 years because he is obviously a disaster and this is the best thing to ever happen to the progressive movement in North America...

    The best part of this fiasco is that it is destroying their credibility and agenda...

    But honestly... I want this orange bully to be proven to be a traitor in bed with the Russians and do the perp walk out of the White House.
    it's all fun and games until a nuke goes off
    I'm of the same thinking. I want his 4 years of nonsense to destroy the republican far right, but at the same time, how much damage is he going to do if he's in office that long.
    People thought his candidacy alone would destroy the republican party and yet they are more republicans in government then ever. The Flynn resignation certainly doesn't look good but there is no evidence that Trump is doing "damage". The policies he has put in place are still in line with what his voters wanted and I don't see that changing regardless how messy it appears. His campaign was messy...he had three different campaign managers until he found success. People will be hired and fired based on results and it's quite possible the removal of Flynn will be a blessing in disguise as there has always been tension between him and the intelligence agencies. Nothing that has happened so far has made the electoral terrain any better for the Dems in 2018. The question is when/if the messiness becomes electorally significant?
    Can you tell me the policies that he put in place that are in effect today? I literally can think of zero. All of those EO's he signed were a bunch of marketing fluff.
    It certainly isn't much so far but it is a sense of direction. Pipeline approvals aren't fluff. Removal of burdensome regulations is not fluff. A conservative supreme court judge is certainly not fluff. Add to that a direction of a better business environment through improving the tax code, eliminating Obamacare, continued removal of regulation. Add to that a focus on school choice. Add to the enforcing the rule of law. Add to that a harder stance in the war on terror and a tougher stance on Iran. These things are happening and will continue to happen with time.
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    mfc2006 said:
    Was that a Walking Dead extra audition?

    How long can she keep this up? She is getting killed in front of America every, single, day.

  • dignin said:

    mfc2006 said:
    Was that a Walking Dead extra audition?

    How long can she keep this up? She is getting killed in front of America every, single, day.

    she and spicer are going to end up in a suicide pact. I don't think I could handle their jobs either. Who could? Who would want to? I'd just throw up my hands and say "fuck this! I'm outta here!".
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    BS44325 said:

    vaggar99 said:

    my2hands said:

    I think optimism is speaking in this thread recently.

    I'm not so sure Trump has one foot out the door, folks.

    I hope he stays all 4 years because he is obviously a disaster and this is the best thing to ever happen to the progressive movement in North America...

    The best part of this fiasco is that it is destroying their credibility and agenda...

    But honestly... I want this orange bully to be proven to be a traitor in bed with the Russians and do the perp walk out of the White House.
    it's all fun and games until a nuke goes off
    I'm of the same thinking. I want his 4 years of nonsense to destroy the republican far right, but at the same time, how much damage is he going to do if he's in office that long.
    People thought his candidacy alone would destroy the republican party and yet they are more republicans in government then ever. The Flynn resignation certainly doesn't look good but there is no evidence that Trump is doing "damage". The policies he has put in place are still in line with what his voters wanted and I don't see that changing regardless how messy it appears. His campaign was messy...he had three different campaign managers until he found success. People will be hired and fired based on results and it's quite possible the removal of Flynn will be a blessing in disguise as there has always been tension between him and the intelligence agencies. Nothing that has happened so far has made the electoral terrain any better for the Dems in 2018. The question is when/if the messiness becomes electorally significant?
    lol we're not even 2months into his presidency and your already claiming nothing will come of the mess that's hounding him !
    I don't think anything "electorally significant" has happened "yet". That doesn't mean it won't happen in time. Just not yet.
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336

    dignin said:

    mfc2006 said:
    Was that a Walking Dead extra audition?

    How long can she keep this up? She is getting killed in front of America every, single, day.

    she and spicer are going to end up in a suicide pact. I don't think I could handle their jobs either. Who could? Who would want to? I'd just throw up my hands and say "fuck this! I'm outta here!".
    It really is truly unbelievable. They take an absolute beating everyday.

    Every once in awhile I start to feel sorry for them. Then I come to my senses and realize they have a choice, so fuck them. If they had any dignity or guts they would walk away.
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    edited February 2017
    BS44325 said:

    His campaign was messy...he had three different campaign managers until he found success.

    how quickly you forget Carter Page (Campaign Advisor) & Paul Manafort (Campaign Manager) were forced to step down from his team because of shady dealings with Russia... just a coincidence right? lol

    the writing is on the wall whether you want to see it or not

    I suggest you read this before you continue with your head in the sand routine on this issue

    http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-russia-ties-michael-flynn-dossier-2017-2







  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,641
    edited February 2017
    BS44325 said:

    vaggar99 said:

    my2hands said:

    I think optimism is speaking in this thread recently.

    I'm not so sure Trump has one foot out the door, folks.

    I hope he stays all 4 years because he is obviously a disaster and this is the best thing to ever happen to the progressive movement in North America...

    The best part of this fiasco is that it is destroying their credibility and agenda...

    But honestly... I want this orange bully to be proven to be a traitor in bed with the Russians and do the perp walk out of the White House.
    it's all fun and games until a nuke goes off
    I'm of the same thinking. I want his 4 years of nonsense to destroy the republican far right, but at the same time, how much damage is he going to do if he's in office that long.
    People thought his candidacy alone would destroy the republican party and yet they are more republicans in government then ever. The Flynn resignation certainly doesn't look good but there is no evidence that Trump is doing "damage". The policies he has put in place are still in line with what his voters wanted and I don't see that changing regardless how messy it appears. His campaign was messy...he had three different campaign managers until he found success. People will be hired and fired based on results and it's quite possible the removal of Flynn will be a blessing in disguise as there has always been tension between him and the intelligence agencies. Nothing that has happened so far has made the electoral terrain any better for the Dems in 2018. The question is when/if the messiness becomes electorally significant?
    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    vaggar99 said:

    my2hands said:

    I think optimism is speaking in this thread recently.

    I'm not so sure Trump has one foot out the door, folks.

    I hope he stays all 4 years because he is obviously a disaster and this is the best thing to ever happen to the progressive movement in North America...

    The best part of this fiasco is that it is destroying their credibility and agenda...

    But honestly... I want this orange bully to be proven to be a traitor in bed with the Russians and do the perp walk out of the White House.
    it's all fun and games until a nuke goes off
    I'm of the same thinking. I want his 4 years of nonsense to destroy the republican far right, but at the same time, how much damage is he going to do if he's in office that long.
    People thought his candidacy alone would destroy the republican party and yet they are more republicans in government then ever. The Flynn resignation certainly doesn't look good but there is no evidence that Trump is doing "damage". The policies he has put in place are still in line with what his voters wanted and I don't see that changing regardless how messy it appears. His campaign was messy...he had three different campaign managers until he found success. People will be hired and fired based on results and it's quite possible the removal of Flynn will be a blessing in disguise as there has always been tension between him and the intelligence agencies. Nothing that has happened so far has made the electoral terrain any better for the Dems in 2018. The question is when/if the messiness becomes electorally significant?
    Can you tell me the policies that he put in place that are in effect today? I literally can think of zero. All of those EO's he signed were a bunch of marketing fluff.
    It certainly isn't much so far but it is a sense of direction. Pipeline approvals aren't fluff. Removal of burdensome regulations is not fluff. A conservative supreme court judge is certainly not fluff. Add to that a direction of a better business environment through improving the tax code, eliminating Obamacare, continued removal of regulation. Add to that a focus on school choice. Add to the enforcing the rule of law. Add to that a harder stance in the war on terror and a tougher stance on Iran. These things are happening and will continue to happen with time.
    He didn't do any of the things (outside nominating a SCOTUS). Did you read the Dodd Frank related EO? No substance. Read the first paragraph here:

    While not unimportant, the order is largely aspirational as it sets out a broad outline for the reforms the Trump administration will seek in financial regulation. However, the order, in and of itself, does not affect any regulatory changes.

    The order does, however, include a directive to the secretary of the Treasury, but that directive — produce a report — will not produce any meaningful changes either.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/finance/318298-trumps-dodd-frank-eo-is-more-bark-than-bite

    Has he changed the tax code (don't answer that because you well know that he cannot do that). Has he repealed Obamacare? He also has no power to do that. Rule of law? You mean the EO last week about that? Go ahead and read them and tell me what it actually does.
    Post edited by mrussel1 on
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,442

    BS44325 said:

    vaggar99 said:

    my2hands said:

    I think optimism is speaking in this thread recently.

    I'm not so sure Trump has one foot out the door, folks.

    I hope he stays all 4 years because he is obviously a disaster and this is the best thing to ever happen to the progressive movement in North America...

    The best part of this fiasco is that it is destroying their credibility and agenda...

    But honestly... I want this orange bully to be proven to be a traitor in bed with the Russians and do the perp walk out of the White House.
    it's all fun and games until a nuke goes off
    I'm of the same thinking. I want his 4 years of nonsense to destroy the republican far right, but at the same time, how much damage is he going to do if he's in office that long.
    People thought his candidacy alone would destroy the republican party and yet they are more republicans in government then ever. The Flynn resignation certainly doesn't look good but there is no evidence that Trump is doing "damage". The policies he has put in place are still in line with what his voters wanted and I don't see that changing regardless how messy it appears. His campaign was messy...he had three different campaign managers until he found success. People will be hired and fired based on results and it's quite possible the removal of Flynn will be a blessing in disguise as there has always been tension between him and the intelligence agencies. Nothing that has happened so far has made the electoral terrain any better for the Dems in 2018. The question is when/if the messiness becomes electorally significant?
    lol we're not even 2months into his presidency and your already claiming nothing will come of the mess that's hounding him !
    no, he's not. he's saying no one knows yet, which is true.
    lol like I said there is no way president Bafoon did not know all this way back before election , you might not believe it but I bet a lot of the established people in the know totally know how deep this Bafoon is in it !!
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  • BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    The real story here is why are there so many illegal leaks coming out of Washington? Will these leaks be happening as I deal on N.Korea etc?

    That's not the real story. The insiders have always leaked to the press. Have you never heard of Deep Throat? This is how we keep tabs on our elected leaders. God bless the whistle blowers.
    A whistleblower courageously comes forward to the public. It puts a face to the accusation which is far more powerful compared to unsubstantiated leaks. It doesn't mean the leaks are not accurate but this is not the same.
    so you want to see them found in a dumpster with a bullet hole in the back of their head?
    Sort of like Vince Foster?
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • PJPOWER said:

    my2hands said:

    Hillary is going to keep her options open for 2020... no doubt about it... especially considering she just won the popular vote by 3 million and would still be younger than Trump is now

    Well, her running would be a solid reason for me to continue not voting democrat..."Still not with her"
    Yeah because the GOP seems to have a good handle on everything...
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    8 years these clowns have been SCREAMING about Obamacare.. now that they have the power, they have squat. no ideas. no replacement. nothing.

    nothing but a bunch of clowns

    I have no idea how an actual conservative can support the bafoon, but I guess people just like to cheer for their team no matter what
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,641

    BS44325 said:

    vaggar99 said:

    my2hands said:

    I think optimism is speaking in this thread recently.

    I'm not so sure Trump has one foot out the door, folks.

    I hope he stays all 4 years because he is obviously a disaster and this is the best thing to ever happen to the progressive movement in North America...

    The best part of this fiasco is that it is destroying their credibility and agenda...

    But honestly... I want this orange bully to be proven to be a traitor in bed with the Russians and do the perp walk out of the White House.
    it's all fun and games until a nuke goes off
    I'm of the same thinking. I want his 4 years of nonsense to destroy the republican far right, but at the same time, how much damage is he going to do if he's in office that long.
    People thought his candidacy alone would destroy the republican party and yet they are more republicans in government then ever. The Flynn resignation certainly doesn't look good but there is no evidence that Trump is doing "damage". The policies he has put in place are still in line with what his voters wanted and I don't see that changing regardless how messy it appears. His campaign was messy...he had three different campaign managers until he found success. People will be hired and fired based on results and it's quite possible the removal of Flynn will be a blessing in disguise as there has always been tension between him and the intelligence agencies. Nothing that has happened so far has made the electoral terrain any better for the Dems in 2018. The question is when/if the messiness becomes electorally significant?
    lol we're not even 2months into his presidency and your already claiming nothing will come of the mess that's hounding him !
    no, he's not. he's saying no one knows yet, which is true.
    lol like I said there is no way president Bafoon did not know all this way back before election , you might not believe it but I bet a lot of the established people in the know totally know how deep this Bafoon is in it !!
    Adam Schiff (ranking Dem on House Intelligence committee) told other Dems today that plenty more will be coming out in the next few days. Should be interesting. Saw the official name of this crisis too.. "Flynnghazi".
  • BS44325 said:

    vaggar99 said:

    my2hands said:

    I think optimism is speaking in this thread recently.

    I'm not so sure Trump has one foot out the door, folks.

    I hope he stays all 4 years because he is obviously a disaster and this is the best thing to ever happen to the progressive movement in North America...

    The best part of this fiasco is that it is destroying their credibility and agenda...

    But honestly... I want this orange bully to be proven to be a traitor in bed with the Russians and do the perp walk out of the White House.
    it's all fun and games until a nuke goes off
    I'm of the same thinking. I want his 4 years of nonsense to destroy the republican far right, but at the same time, how much damage is he going to do if he's in office that long.
    People thought his candidacy alone would destroy the republican party and yet they are more republicans in government then ever. The Flynn resignation certainly doesn't look good but there is no evidence that Trump is doing "damage". The policies he has put in place are still in line with what his voters wanted and I don't see that changing regardless how messy it appears. His campaign was messy...he had three different campaign managers until he found success. People will be hired and fired based on results and it's quite possible the removal of Flynn will be a blessing in disguise as there has always been tension between him and the intelligence agencies. Nothing that has happened so far has made the electoral terrain any better for the Dems in 2018. The question is when/if the messiness becomes electorally significant?
    lol we're not even 2months into his presidency and your already claiming nothing will come of the mess that's hounding him !
    no, he's not. he's saying no one knows yet, which is true.
    lol like I said there is no way president Bafoon did not know all this way back before election , you might not believe it but I bet a lot of the established people in the know totally know how deep this Bafoon is in it !!
    of course I believe it. but what I believe isn't fact until it's proven to be. that's all he's saying.
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  • mfc2006mfc2006 Posts: 37,435
    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    vaggar99 said:

    my2hands said:

    I think optimism is speaking in this thread recently.

    I'm not so sure Trump has one foot out the door, folks.

    I hope he stays all 4 years because he is obviously a disaster and this is the best thing to ever happen to the progressive movement in North America...

    The best part of this fiasco is that it is destroying their credibility and agenda...

    But honestly... I want this orange bully to be proven to be a traitor in bed with the Russians and do the perp walk out of the White House.
    it's all fun and games until a nuke goes off
    I'm of the same thinking. I want his 4 years of nonsense to destroy the republican far right, but at the same time, how much damage is he going to do if he's in office that long.
    People thought his candidacy alone would destroy the republican party and yet they are more republicans in government then ever. The Flynn resignation certainly doesn't look good but there is no evidence that Trump is doing "damage". The policies he has put in place are still in line with what his voters wanted and I don't see that changing regardless how messy it appears. His campaign was messy...he had three different campaign managers until he found success. People will be hired and fired based on results and it's quite possible the removal of Flynn will be a blessing in disguise as there has always been tension between him and the intelligence agencies. Nothing that has happened so far has made the electoral terrain any better for the Dems in 2018. The question is when/if the messiness becomes electorally significant?
    lol we're not even 2months into his presidency and your already claiming nothing will come of the mess that's hounding him !
    no, he's not. he's saying no one knows yet, which is true.
    lol like I said there is no way president Bafoon did not know all this way back before election , you might not believe it but I bet a lot of the established people in the know totally know how deep this Bafoon is in it !!
    Adam Schiff (ranking Dem on House Intelligence committee) told other Dems today that plenty more will be coming out in the next few days. Should be interesting. Saw the official name of this crisis too.. "Flynnghazi".
    I believe it. The thread is starting to unravel & pretty soon everything will be exposed.
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  • my2hands said:

    8 years these clowns have been SCREAMING about Obamacare.. now that they have the power, they have squat. no ideas. no replacement. nothing.

    nothing but a bunch of clowns

    I have no idea how an actual conservative can support the bafoon, but I guess people just like to cheer for their team no matter what

    Brainwashed?

    First, it's not 8 years, but go on. Second, they timed the roll out of critical parts until the last couple years with full impacts coming right about....NOW. So, the fact is, the prudent thing is to let the stuff hit the fan. The time to repeal was 3-4 years ago before you have to UNdo something. So, it's really a bit disingenuous how you are trying to frame this. Now the issue is, you have to UNdo a massive entitlement program to put any legit ideas in place. That's not so easy to do.

    So, saying they have no ideas - false. I like the band aid method - just rip it off and go forward. But, even I know that's not the politically savvy way to deal with the boondoggle.
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,067

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    The real story here is why are there so many illegal leaks coming out of Washington? Will these leaks be happening as I deal on N.Korea etc?

    That's not the real story. The insiders have always leaked to the press. Have you never heard of Deep Throat? This is how we keep tabs on our elected leaders. God bless the whistle blowers.
    A whistleblower courageously comes forward to the public. It puts a face to the accusation which is far more powerful compared to unsubstantiated leaks. It doesn't mean the leaks are not accurate but this is not the same.
    so you want to see them found in a dumpster with a bullet hole in the back of their head?
    Sort of like Vince Foster?

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    The real story here is why are there so many illegal leaks coming out of Washington? Will these leaks be happening as I deal on N.Korea etc?

    That's not the real story. The insiders have always leaked to the press. Have you never heard of Deep Throat? This is how we keep tabs on our elected leaders. God bless the whistle blowers.
    A whistleblower courageously comes forward to the public. It puts a face to the accusation which is far more powerful compared to unsubstantiated leaks. It doesn't mean the leaks are not accurate but this is not the same.
    so you want to see them found in a dumpster with a bullet hole in the back of their head?
    Sort of like Vince Foster?
    Now we're digging deep into the kooky equivalencies and it's not even noon.
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