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  • JC29856
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    vaggar99 said:

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    my2hands said:

    Donald Trump’s father was arrested at a Klan riot.

    Most of the national media studiously avoided printing that simple declarative sentence since Donald Trump decided to run for president. Most of the country’s politicians have remained strangely silent on the topic.

    Public commentators did not connect the dots even as President-elect Trump attacked the civil rights hero, John Lewis, when having a Klan sympathizer for a father would seem to be highly pertinent in explaining his behavior.

    Yet the factual evidence seems strong. Trump’s father Fred was arrested in New York City in 1927, when a group of Klansmen got into a brawl with police officers during a Memorial Day parade in Queens. There is a document trail, and the names, dates, and addresses match up. The New York Times published a story about the riot and the seven men who were arrested; Fred Trump is mentioned by name. His address is given at 175-24 Devonshire Road, Jamaica, New York City, and the federal census of 1930 shows that Fred Trump resided at that address. The newspaper does not identify him as a Klan member, or clarify whether he was wearing a Klan robe—as were many of the demonstrators―but he did get arrested, and all seven men were represented by the same attorneys. Two days after the brawl, Fred Trump was discharged from custody, with no explanation that can be discovered from public records. After the website Boing Boing reported the story in 2015, Donald Trump denied it, and he has not publicly discussed it since then.

    The New York Daily News, the Washington Post, the New York Times and a few other news outlets mentioned the connection briefly in 2016, and then they dropped it. Throughout the campaign, most of the media maintained a deafening silence, as did most of the nation’s politicians in both parties. If Fred Trump was a full-fledged Klansman, no one seemed interested in pursuing the story. Journalists and politicians displayed the most determined zeal in investigating every aspect of Hillary Clinton’s email in 2016, and 20 years ago they showed the same zeal in investigating the Clintons’ investment in Whitewater.

    Yet the family history of the Republican Party’s nominee merited nothing close to that scrutiny. And this is the immediate family, the man’s own father, not some distant ancestor from another century, a father with the power to shape the boy’s most profound assumptions about the world. Moreover, Donald Trump has often expressed his admiration for his father. Thoughtful adults can hear the echoes of one hundred years ago in the president’s encouragement of violence at campaign rallies, his prejudices against minorities, and his use of violent language.

    Historians know that the Ku Klux Klan, founded in Tennessee in 1866 by ex-Confederate officers, was created to intimidate black Southerners, especially those who wanted to vote, as well as the region’s ethnic and religious minorities. Since the 1860s, the Klan has spread all over the United States, with chapters in every region, and its targets have expanded to include immigrants, gays, and women who work outside the home. In the 1920s, the Klan grew dramatically in the cities of the North, often in response to the arrival of Catholics from Eastern and Central Europe. Accordingly, the Klansmen in Queens protested their presence in 1927 in New York City.

    But in the public mind, the organization is still associated largely with the South. Perhaps that is one explanation for the silence on Fred Trump, Donald’s origins in the urban North. Maybe it is still too hard to face up to bigotry and prejudice anywhere outside the South.

    We can easily imagine what would have happened if there had been the faintest rumor that Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, or Al Gore had a Klan sympathizer in the family—page one stories and protracted coverage in the media, politicians holding forth, bristling with the assumption that the allegation was probably true. Carter, Clinton, and Gore would have been judged unfit for public service, and their careers would have ended long before they reached national office.

    Maybe there are other explanations for the silence about Fred Trump, beginning with shame, a deep embarrassment that the Klan has lasted so long and spread throughout the country, including New York. Perhaps it was the hope that the son would turn away from the spectre of a man who had been arrested at a Klan riot. Maybe it was the well-meaning but naïve belief that Donald Trump could not win the election.

    Now he inhabits the White House. Let us hope that the country’s media and political leadership recover their usual probing interest in the President’s background, his motives, and his veracity. The future of the Republic may depend on it.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-family-history-donald-fred-and-the-ku-klux_us_588e549de4b0cd25e4904a3f

    conservatives will argue that racism skips a generation
    Liberal proof Trump is racist, ignoring the hear say, his father was arrested on memorial day in queens 90 years ago, Klansmen were also arrested.

    Liberals will argue that racism is hereditary.
  • my2hands said:

    Donald Trump’s father was arrested at a Klan riot.

    Most of the national media studiously avoided printing that simple declarative sentence since Donald Trump decided to run for president. Most of the country’s politicians have remained strangely silent on the topic.

    Public commentators did not connect the dots even as President-elect Trump attacked the civil rights hero, John Lewis, when having a Klan sympathizer for a father would seem to be highly pertinent in explaining his behavior.

    Yet the factual evidence seems strong. Trump’s father Fred was arrested in New York City in 1927, when a group of Klansmen got into a brawl with police officers during a Memorial Day parade in Queens. There is a document trail, and the names, dates, and addresses match up. The New York Times published a story about the riot and the seven men who were arrested; Fred Trump is mentioned by name. His address is given at 175-24 Devonshire Road, Jamaica, New York City, and the federal census of 1930 shows that Fred Trump resided at that address. The newspaper does not identify him as a Klan member, or clarify whether he was wearing a Klan robe—as were many of the demonstrators―but he did get arrested, and all seven men were represented by the same attorneys. Two days after the brawl, Fred Trump was discharged from custody, with no explanation that can be discovered from public records. After the website Boing Boing reported the story in 2015, Donald Trump denied it, and he has not publicly discussed it since then.

    The New York Daily News, the Washington Post, the New York Times and a few other news outlets mentioned the connection briefly in 2016, and then they dropped it. Throughout the campaign, most of the media maintained a deafening silence, as did most of the nation’s politicians in both parties. If Fred Trump was a full-fledged Klansman, no one seemed interested in pursuing the story. Journalists and politicians displayed the most determined zeal in investigating every aspect of Hillary Clinton’s email in 2016, and 20 years ago they showed the same zeal in investigating the Clintons’ investment in Whitewater.

    Yet the family history of the Republican Party’s nominee merited nothing close to that scrutiny. And this is the immediate family, the man’s own father, not some distant ancestor from another century, a father with the power to shape the boy’s most profound assumptions about the world. Moreover, Donald Trump has often expressed his admiration for his father. Thoughtful adults can hear the echoes of one hundred years ago in the president’s encouragement of violence at campaign rallies, his prejudices against minorities, and his use of violent language.

    Historians know that the Ku Klux Klan, founded in Tennessee in 1866 by ex-Confederate officers, was created to intimidate black Southerners, especially those who wanted to vote, as well as the region’s ethnic and religious minorities. Since the 1860s, the Klan has spread all over the United States, with chapters in every region, and its targets have expanded to include immigrants, gays, and women who work outside the home. In the 1920s, the Klan grew dramatically in the cities of the North, often in response to the arrival of Catholics from Eastern and Central Europe. Accordingly, the Klansmen in Queens protested their presence in 1927 in New York City.

    But in the public mind, the organization is still associated largely with the South. Perhaps that is one explanation for the silence on Fred Trump, Donald’s origins in the urban North. Maybe it is still too hard to face up to bigotry and prejudice anywhere outside the South.

    We can easily imagine what would have happened if there had been the faintest rumor that Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, or Al Gore had a Klan sympathizer in the family—page one stories and protracted coverage in the media, politicians holding forth, bristling with the assumption that the allegation was probably true. Carter, Clinton, and Gore would have been judged unfit for public service, and their careers would have ended long before they reached national office.

    Maybe there are other explanations for the silence about Fred Trump, beginning with shame, a deep embarrassment that the Klan has lasted so long and spread throughout the country, including New York. Perhaps it was the hope that the son would turn away from the spectre of a man who had been arrested at a Klan riot. Maybe it was the well-meaning but naïve belief that Donald Trump could not win the election.

    Now he inhabits the White House. Let us hope that the country’s media and political leadership recover their usual probing interest in the President’s background, his motives, and his veracity. The future of the Republic may depend on it.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-family-history-donald-fred-and-the-ku-klux_us_588e549de4b0cd25e4904a3f

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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    edited February 2017
    JC29856 said:

    vaggar99 said:

    ho

    my2hands said:

    Donald Trump’s father was arrested at a Klan riot.

    Most of the national media studiously avoided printing that simple declarative sentence since Donald Trump decided to run for president. Most of the country’s politicians have remained strangely silent on the topic.

    Public commentators did not connect the dots even as President-elect Trump attacked the civil rights hero, John Lewis, when having a Klan sympathizer for a father would seem to be highly pertinent in explaining his behavior.

    Yet the factual evidence seems strong. Trump’s father Fred was arrested in New York City in 1927, when a group of Klansmen got into a brawl with police officers during a Memorial Day parade in Queens. There is a document trail, and the names, dates, and addresses match up. The New York Times published a story about the riot and the seven men who were arrested; Fred Trump is mentioned by name. His address is given at 175-24 Devonshire Road, Jamaica, New York City, and the federal census of 1930 shows that Fred Trump resided at that address. The newspaper does not identify him as a Klan member, or clarify whether he was wearing a Klan robe—as were many of the demonstrators―but he did get arrested, and all seven men were represented by the same attorneys. Two days after the brawl, Fred Trump was discharged from custody, with no explanation that can be discovered from public records. After the website Boing Boing reported the story in 2015, Donald Trump denied it, and he has not publicly discussed it since then.

    The New York Daily News, the Washington Post, the New York Times and a few other news outlets mentioned the connection briefly in 2016, and then they dropped it. Throughout the campaign, most of the media maintained a deafening silence, as did most of the nation’s politicians in both parties. If Fred Trump was a full-fledged Klansman, no one seemed interested in pursuing the story. Journalists and politicians displayed the most determined zeal in investigating every aspect of Hillary Clinton’s email in 2016, and 20 years ago they showed the same zeal in investigating the Clintons’ investment in Whitewater.

    Yet the family history of the Republican Party’s nominee merited nothing close to that scrutiny. And this is the immediate family, the man’s own father, not some distant ancestor from another century, a father with the power to shape the boy’s most profound assumptions about the world. Moreover, Donald Trump has often expressed his admiration for his father. Thoughtful adults can hear the echoes of one hundred years ago in the president’s encouragement of violence at campaign rallies, his prejudices against minorities, and his use of violent language.

    Historians know that the Ku Klux Klan, founded in Tennessee in 1866 by ex-Confederate officers, was created to intimidate black Southerners, especially those who wanted to vote, as well as the region’s ethnic and religious minorities. Since the 1860s, the Klan has spread all over the United States, with chapters in every region, and its targets have expanded to include immigrants, gays, and women who work outside the home. In the 1920s, the Klan grew dramatically in the cities of the North, often in response to the arrival of Catholics from Eastern and Central Europe. Accordingly, the Klansmen in Queens protested their presence in 1927 in New York City.

    But in the public mind, the organization is still associated largely with the South. Perhaps that is one explanation for the silence on Fred Trump, Donald’s origins in the urban North. Maybe it is still too hard to face up to bigotry and prejudice anywhere outside the South.

    We can easily imagine what would have happened if there had been the faintest rumor that Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, or Al Gore had a Klan sympathizer in the family—page one stories and protracted coverage in the media, politicians holding forth, bristling with the assumption that the allegation was probably true. Carter, Clinton, and Gore would have been judged unfit for public service, and their careers would have ended long before they reached national office.

    Maybe there are other explanations for the silence about Fred Trump, beginning with shame, a deep embarrassment that the Klan has lasted so long and spread throughout the country, including New York. Perhaps it was the hope that the son would turn away from the spectre of a man who had been arrested at a Klan riot. Maybe it was the well-meaning but naïve belief that Donald Trump could not win the election.

    Now he inhabits the White House. Let us hope that the country’s media and political leadership recover their usual probing interest in the President’s background, his motives, and his veracity. The future of the Republic may depend on it.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-family-history-donald-fred-and-the-ku-klux_us_588e549de4b0cd25e4904a3f

    conservatives will argue that racism skips a generation
    Liberal proof Trump is racist, ignoring the hear say, his father was arrested on memorial day in queens 90 years ago, Klansmen were also arrested.

    Liberals will argue that racism is hereditary.
    I didn't put it out as proof of anything.

    all men arrested used the same attorneys, so I don't think Daddy Trump was an innocent bystander that just happened to get involved

    just reporting the facts
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  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    do i need to bring up the 1973 discrimination suit?
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    vaggar99 said:

    do i need to bring up the 1973 discrimination suit?

    Post the racist laundry list...you're allowed to think believe Trump is a racist. I don't know if he is or isn't, his dad, the lawsuit, racist racist racist, those things don't convince me.
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,541
    JC29856 said:

    vaggar99 said:

    do i need to bring up the 1973 discrimination suit?

    Post the racist laundry list...you're allowed to think believe Trump is a racist. I don't know if he is or isn't, his dad, the lawsuit, racist racist racist, those things don't convince me.
    He's got plenty of racists on his cabinet he can just continue to be a total gigantic Bafoon he can wear all those hats can he ?
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    JC29856 said:

    vaggar99 said:

    do i need to bring up the 1973 discrimination suit?

    Post the racist laundry list...you're allowed to think believe Trump is a racist. I don't know if he is or isn't, his dad, the lawsuit, racist racist racist, those things don't convince me.
    his own words, policies, and nominations haven't convinced you either? lol

    just putting that dipshit in charge of HUD as an obvious token tells me everything I need to know
  • And yet Obama's relationship with Jeremiah Wright made him a hater of the white race. Trump, with actual racist tendencies in his past, gets a pass. But we are a nation of racists, xenophobes and misgyonists, afterall.
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  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    JC29856 said:

    vaggar99 said:

    do i need to bring up the 1973 discrimination suit?

    Post the racist laundry list...you're allowed to think believe Trump is a racist. I don't know if he is or isn't, his dad, the lawsuit, racist racist racist, those things don't convince me.
    the word racist is thrown around like it means that you are some kind of evil homicidal maniac. i don't see it that way. i'm around people all day long that i consider to be somewhat to completely racist. they are family, friends, coworkers. i love them all the same. but, the common thread in horrible insecurity. this need for power and money and a general lack of patience. i could on and on.
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Funny how when I bring up the past I get told to "stick to what's happening now", yet some of you guys are throwing mud around from almost 100 years ago!?!?!? Hypocrisy much?
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    edited February 2017
    I just thought it was interesting that Daddy Trump was arrested in a KKK riot, why are you guys getting so defensive?

    imagine if we found out that Obamas father was a Muslim terrorist years ago. sweet jesus lol
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    I think Trump is racist because of his relationship with Bannon and the birther issue, not because of his father. One of the unique things about America is that we don't hold sons accountable for the sins of their fathers. We should continue that.
  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    Oh yes the birther movement. How shall we begin?
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,446
    edited February 2017
    mrussel1 said:

    I think Trump is racist because of his relationship with Bannon and the birther issue, not because of his father. One of the unique things about America is that we don't hold sons accountable for the sins of their fathers. We should continue that.

    In what way is that even close to being unique about/to America?

    What the fuck is it with your view of yourself and the rest of the world. Haha.
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  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,230
    my2hands said:

    President can't be racist.....This paragraph taken from that article above, it gives a short insite about the leader of this country and those who surround him.......

    Next in the Trump record on race came a 1991 book by John O’Donnell, who had been president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City. O’Donnell quoted Trump saying,“ Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys wearing yarmulkes… Those are the only kind of people I want counting my money. Nobody else…Besides that, I tell you something else. I think that’s guy’s lazy. And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks.”


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  • rssesq
    rssesq Fairfield County Posts: 3,299
    Peter Griffin said the same thing
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8nQeZMt_3I
  • g under p said:

    my2hands said:

    President can't be racist.....This paragraph taken from that article above, it gives a short insite about the leader of this country and those who surround him.......

    Next in the Trump record on race came a 1991 book by John O’Donnell, who had been president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City. O’Donnell quoted Trump saying,“ Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys wearing yarmulkes… Those are the only kind of people I want counting my money. Nobody else…Besides that, I tell you something else. I think that’s guy’s lazy. And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks.”


    Peace
    That last sentence...
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • JC29856 said:

    vaggar99 said:

    do i need to bring up the 1973 discrimination suit?

    Post the racist laundry list...you're allowed to think believe Trump is a racist. I don't know if he is or isn't, his dad, the lawsuit, racist racist racist, those things don't convince me.
    How about his actions? Do those convince you?

    Remember he wouldn't rent to black people (let alone his most recent executive actions)?

    Geezuz, man. Do you know how stupid you sound trying to defend him?
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  • rssesq
    rssesq Fairfield County Posts: 3,299
    not my waterpark. lol
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