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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    edited February 2017
    BS44325 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    BS44325 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    BS44325 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    mickeyrat said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Illegal or not, the information is true. By definition, a leak is true.

    exactly. the very founding of this country was pushback against power. what is a leak other than pushback?
    If that is the case than why so mad if Trump colluded with Russia to leak the Hillary campaign's emails? Just pushback, you know, the foundation of this country?
    colluding with an adversarial foreign power in the electoral process is a lot different than leaking pertinent info on corruptable power. And in the early stages of this particular administration, its a civic obligation imo.
    Hillary was a corruptable power. The FBI was giving everybody the heads-up. It was just pushback.
    still not the same ballpark. at all. preventing corruptable power so corruptable power can take office? stop insulting my intelligence.

    props to the deftness of your PM the other day btw.
    The only thing that has been suggested to be corruptable right now is Flynn post-lie to Pence. I'm not sure how that's worse then the known corruptable power that was Hillary. Not the same ballpark. At all.

    In terms of my PM...Yeah. I don't like him but he played it right.
    its emerging that Flynn wasnt the only one of the team. and now we're talking about well before election day. and given his continued deflections in regards to russia's exertion of influence, it suggests to me something involving him directly.
    Actually none of that is emerging.
    actually, it's been emerging for months...

    3 Trump cronies down due to shady dealing with Russia... more to come... whether you realize it or not amigo
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336

    the day Flynn spoke to Kremlin about delaying the sanction retaliation:


    Normally I would say that no one is that stupid........
  • mfc2006mfc2006 Posts: 37,435

    the day Flynn spoke to Kremlin about delaying the sanction retaliation:


    still can't believe that....
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  • ikiTikiT Posts: 11,055
    mrussel1 said:

    Illegal or not, the information is true. By definition, a leak is true.

    mrussel1 said:

    Illegal or not, the information is true. By definition, a leak is true.

    I agree with that.
    What would you say if leaked military details on upcoming operations were suddenly laid bare because of the "god blessed whistleblowers"?
    Keeping a country safe relies on internal integrity that is the Presidents inner circles job.
    You guys on one hand want the POTUS to fail from leaks yet you believe certain things should not be disclosed.
    Make up your mind.

    They weren't. That's not the situation here. The VP lied to the American people (possibly unaware that he did). The POTUS lied on Friday saying he was unaware of any situation with Flynn, and then we learned yesterday he had known for 18 days. THEY FUCKING LIED. And they didn't lie to protect national security interests. They lied to protect themselves. The leaker obviously believes the executive branch owes the American people the truth.

    Just my opinion but Flynn didn't do anything without DJT's knowledge.

    He has no relationship with the truth on any level. It's been a steady diet of bullshit since day one.

    he and his surrogates have being lying from the get go....day one he lied about the size of his crowd then Spicer reiterated it.

    Says he "won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally." November 28th
    There was "serious voter fraud" in Virginia. Nov 29
    "We had a massive landslide victory, as you know, in the Electoral College." December 12th
    Americans don't "care at all" about Donald Trump's tax returns. Jan 11
    "The media ... sort of made it sound like I had a feud with the intelligence community." Jan 22
    "Here in Philadelphia murder has been steady — I mean — just terribly increasing." Jan 26th
    "As you know I’m very much opposed to Sanctuary cities, they breed crime" Feb 5
    Terrorism and terrorist attacks in the United States and Europe have "gotten to a point where it's not even being reported." February 6th
    Says "109 people out of hundreds of thousands of travelers" were affected by the immigration executive order. February 6th
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  • mickeyrat said:

    BS44325 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    BS44325 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    mickeyrat said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Illegal or not, the information is true. By definition, a leak is true.

    exactly. the very founding of this country was pushback against power. what is a leak other than pushback?
    If that is the case than why so mad if Trump colluded with Russia to leak the Hillary campaign's emails? Just pushback, you know, the foundation of this country?
    colluding with an adversarial foreign power in the electoral process is a lot different than leaking pertinent info on corruptable power. And in the early stages of this particular administration, its a civic obligation imo.
    Hillary was a corruptable power. The FBI was giving everybody the heads-up. It was just pushback.
    still not the same ballpark. at all. preventing corruptable power so corruptable power can take office? stop insulting my intelligence.

    props to the deftness of your PM the other day btw.
    The only thing that has been suggested to be corruptable right now is Flynn post-lie to Pence. I'm not sure how that's worse then the known corruptable power that was Hillary. Not the same ballpark. At all.

    In terms of my PM...Yeah. I don't like him but he played it right.
    its emerging that Flynn wasnt the only one of the team. and now we're talking about well before election day. and given his continued deflections in regards to russia's exertion of influence, it suggests to me something involving him directly.
    And the failure to release his tax returns as Hillary has done, his son being on record boasting of lots of money from Russia pouring in, the intelligence community as whole believing that the white house's situation room is compromised and the 18.5% stake in a billion dollar Russian oil company "sold" to unknown buyers. Yup, nothing to see here. Follow the money.
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  • BS44325 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    BS44325 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    BS44325 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    mickeyrat said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Illegal or not, the information is true. By definition, a leak is true.

    exactly. the very founding of this country was pushback against power. what is a leak other than pushback?
    If that is the case than why so mad if Trump colluded with Russia to leak the Hillary campaign's emails? Just pushback, you know, the foundation of this country?
    colluding with an adversarial foreign power in the electoral process is a lot different than leaking pertinent info on corruptable power. And in the early stages of this particular administration, its a civic obligation imo.
    Hillary was a corruptable power. The FBI was giving everybody the heads-up. It was just pushback.
    still not the same ballpark. at all. preventing corruptable power so corruptable power can take office? stop insulting my intelligence.

    props to the deftness of your PM the other day btw.
    The only thing that has been suggested to be corruptable right now is Flynn post-lie to Pence. I'm not sure how that's worse then the known corruptable power that was Hillary. Not the same ballpark. At all.

    In terms of my PM...Yeah. I don't like him but he played it right.
    its emerging that Flynn wasnt the only one of the team. and now we're talking about well before election day. and given his continued deflections in regards to russia's exertion of influence, it suggests to me something involving him directly.
    Actually none of that is emerging.
    Manafort? Price? What are you smoking?
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  • my2hands said:

    jeffbr said:

    And now being in a legal state, I know exactly where every nug I buy was grown, outdoor/indoor, strain, THC & CBD content, etc...

    you have no idea how jealous I am.

    thankfully Idiot America is finally waking up though

    Not if Kid Rock is being considered for senate.
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117

    BS44325 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    BS44325 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    BS44325 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    mickeyrat said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Illegal or not, the information is true. By definition, a leak is true.

    exactly. the very founding of this country was pushback against power. what is a leak other than pushback?
    If that is the case than why so mad if Trump colluded with Russia to leak the Hillary campaign's emails? Just pushback, you know, the foundation of this country?
    colluding with an adversarial foreign power in the electoral process is a lot different than leaking pertinent info on corruptable power. And in the early stages of this particular administration, its a civic obligation imo.
    Hillary was a corruptable power. The FBI was giving everybody the heads-up. It was just pushback.
    still not the same ballpark. at all. preventing corruptable power so corruptable power can take office? stop insulting my intelligence.

    props to the deftness of your PM the other day btw.
    The only thing that has been suggested to be corruptable right now is Flynn post-lie to Pence. I'm not sure how that's worse then the known corruptable power that was Hillary. Not the same ballpark. At all.

    In terms of my PM...Yeah. I don't like him but he played it right.
    its emerging that Flynn wasnt the only one of the team. and now we're talking about well before election day. and given his continued deflections in regards to russia's exertion of influence, it suggests to me something involving him directly.
    Actually none of that is emerging.
    Manafort? Price? What are you smoking?
    he is smoking denial
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,940
    edited February 2017

    mrussel1 said:

    Illegal or not, the information is true. By definition, a leak is true.

    I agree with that.
    What would you say if leaked military details on upcoming operations were suddenly laid bare because of the "god blessed whistleblowers"?
    Keeping a country safe relies on internal integrity that is the Presidents inner circles job.
    You guys on one hand want the POTUS to fail from leaks yet you believe certain things should not be disclosed.
    Make up your mind.

    Is this an all or nothing scenario for you? How about whistleblowers are an asset until their whistleblowing endangers lives? Obviously leaks about political corruption and leaks about military operations should not be viewed with the same lenses.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,921
    eddiec said:



    mickeyrat said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Illegal or not, the information is true. By definition, a leak is true.

    exactly. the very founding of this country was pushback against power. what is a leak other than pushback?
    If that is the case than why so mad if Trump colluded with Russia to leak the Hillary campaign's emails? Just pushback, you know, the foundation of this country?
    Seriously?
    No. Just as ridiculous as the statement I was responding too.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,940
    edited February 2017

    eddiec said:



    mickeyrat said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Illegal or not, the information is true. By definition, a leak is true.

    exactly. the very founding of this country was pushback against power. what is a leak other than pushback?
    If that is the case than why so mad if Trump colluded with Russia to leak the Hillary campaign's emails? Just pushback, you know, the foundation of this country?
    Seriously?
    No. Just as ridiculous as the statement I was responding too.
    You think?? "Colluding with Russia" is the problem phrase there. Not "leak the Hillary campaign emails". If Trump and Russia had absolutely nothing to do with the email leaks, then there wouldn't be a problem. Obviously. But when Russia and a US presidential nominee orchestrate a leak in order to manipulate an election, that's kind of another ball of wax, lol.
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  • ikiTikiT Posts: 11,055
    Trump loved leaks before he hated them
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  • PJ_Soul said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Illegal or not, the information is true. By definition, a leak is true.

    I agree with that.
    What would you say if leaked military details on upcoming operations were suddenly laid bare because of the "god blessed whistleblowers"?
    Keeping a country safe relies on internal integrity that is the Presidents inner circles job.
    You guys on one hand want the POTUS to fail from leaks yet you believe certain things should not be disclosed.
    Make up your mind.

    Is this an all or nothing scenario for you? How about whistleblowers are an asset until their whistleblowing endangers lives? Obviously leaks about political corruption and leaks about military operations should not be viewed with the same lenses.
    Yes.
    Until they endanger lives is not a reason to consider them an asset.
    Why can't they be viewed in the same lenses? If the very same "god blessed whistleblowers" demurring certain facts about corrupt people in cabinet they should be doing it about military ops as well. You wouldn't want corrupt people planning those operations would you.
    At any rate Americans are naïve as well to think that their country is not conversing directly/indirectly w/ Russia to gather intelligence.
    Asset until they endanger lives, that's a good one.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,648

    PJ_Soul said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Illegal or not, the information is true. By definition, a leak is true.

    I agree with that.
    What would you say if leaked military details on upcoming operations were suddenly laid bare because of the "god blessed whistleblowers"?
    Keeping a country safe relies on internal integrity that is the Presidents inner circles job.
    You guys on one hand want the POTUS to fail from leaks yet you believe certain things should not be disclosed.
    Make up your mind.

    Is this an all or nothing scenario for you? How about whistleblowers are an asset until their whistleblowing endangers lives? Obviously leaks about political corruption and leaks about military operations should not be viewed with the same lenses.
    Yes.
    Until they endanger lives is not a reason to consider them an asset.
    Why can't they be viewed in the same lenses? If the very same "god blessed whistleblowers" demurring certain facts about corrupt people in cabinet they should be doing it about military ops as well. You wouldn't want corrupt people planning those operations would you.
    At any rate Americans are naïve as well to think that their country is not conversing directly/indirectly w/ Russia to gather intelligence.
    Asset until they endanger lives, that's a good one.
    This can't be a serious point.
    BTW - the military officers plan missions. The POTUS doesn't.
  • Tiki said:

    Trump loved leaks before he hated them

    the irony.
    "hack her emails, russia!"
    "the real scandal here is that classified information is illegally given out by "intelligence" like candy"
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,648

    Tiki said:

    Trump loved leaks before he hated them

    the irony.
    "hack her emails, russia!"
    "the real scandal here is that classified information is illegally given out by "intelligence" like candy"
    Really? Does Trump oriented hypocrisy surprise anyone? Do we really think he has a moral compass?
  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited February 2017
    mrussel1 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Illegal or not, the information is true. By definition, a leak is true.

    I agree with that.
    What would you say if leaked military details on upcoming operations were suddenly laid bare because of the "god blessed whistleblowers"?
    Keeping a country safe relies on internal integrity that is the Presidents inner circles job.
    You guys on one hand want the POTUS to fail from leaks yet you believe certain things should not be disclosed.
    Make up your mind.

    Is this an all or nothing scenario for you? How about whistleblowers are an asset until their whistleblowing endangers lives? Obviously leaks about political corruption and leaks about military operations should not be viewed with the same lenses.
    Yes.
    Until they endanger lives is not a reason to consider them an asset.
    Why can't they be viewed in the same lenses? If the very same "god blessed whistleblowers" demurring certain facts about corrupt people in cabinet they should be doing it about military ops as well. You wouldn't want corrupt people planning those operations would you.
    At any rate Americans are naïve as well to think that their country is not conversing directly/indirectly w/ Russia to gather intelligence.
    Asset until they endanger lives, that's a good one.
    This can't be a serious point.
    BTW - the military officers plan missions. The POTUS doesn't.
    I know but the POTUS approves or not of the mission though.
    So if any planners are corrupt/security risk they should also be outed.

  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,940
    mrussel1 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Illegal or not, the information is true. By definition, a leak is true.

    I agree with that.
    What would you say if leaked military details on upcoming operations were suddenly laid bare because of the "god blessed whistleblowers"?
    Keeping a country safe relies on internal integrity that is the Presidents inner circles job.
    You guys on one hand want the POTUS to fail from leaks yet you believe certain things should not be disclosed.
    Make up your mind.

    Is this an all or nothing scenario for you? How about whistleblowers are an asset until their whistleblowing endangers lives? Obviously leaks about political corruption and leaks about military operations should not be viewed with the same lenses.
    Yes.
    Until they endanger lives is not a reason to consider them an asset.
    Why can't they be viewed in the same lenses? If the very same "god blessed whistleblowers" demurring certain facts about corrupt people in cabinet they should be doing it about military ops as well. You wouldn't want corrupt people planning those operations would you.
    At any rate Americans are naïve as well to think that their country is not conversing directly/indirectly w/ Russia to gather intelligence.
    Asset until they endanger lives, that's a good one.

    This can't be a serious point.

    BTW - the military officers plan missions. The POTUS doesn't.
    Surely not.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,648

    mrussel1 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Illegal or not, the information is true. By definition, a leak is true.

    I agree with that.
    What would you say if leaked military details on upcoming operations were suddenly laid bare because of the "god blessed whistleblowers"?
    Keeping a country safe relies on internal integrity that is the Presidents inner circles job.
    You guys on one hand want the POTUS to fail from leaks yet you believe certain things should not be disclosed.
    Make up your mind.

    Is this an all or nothing scenario for you? How about whistleblowers are an asset until their whistleblowing endangers lives? Obviously leaks about political corruption and leaks about military operations should not be viewed with the same lenses.
    Yes.
    Until they endanger lives is not a reason to consider them an asset.
    Why can't they be viewed in the same lenses? If the very same "god blessed whistleblowers" demurring certain facts about corrupt people in cabinet they should be doing it about military ops as well. You wouldn't want corrupt people planning those operations would you.
    At any rate Americans are naïve as well to think that their country is not conversing directly/indirectly w/ Russia to gather intelligence.
    Asset until they endanger lives, that's a good one.
    This can't be a serious point.
    BTW - the military officers plan missions. The POTUS doesn't.
    I know but the POTUS approves or not of the mission though.
    So if any planners are corrupt/security risk they should also be outed.

    Your defense of the administration's lies to the American public are weak. You better flip back over to Fox or Twitter to tighten up these arguments. The story is the lying. It's not the leaking.
  • mfc2006mfc2006 Posts: 37,435

    mrussel1 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Illegal or not, the information is true. By definition, a leak is true.

    I agree with that.
    What would you say if leaked military details on upcoming operations were suddenly laid bare because of the "god blessed whistleblowers"?
    Keeping a country safe relies on internal integrity that is the Presidents inner circles job.
    You guys on one hand want the POTUS to fail from leaks yet you believe certain things should not be disclosed.
    Make up your mind.

    Is this an all or nothing scenario for you? How about whistleblowers are an asset until their whistleblowing endangers lives? Obviously leaks about political corruption and leaks about military operations should not be viewed with the same lenses.
    Yes.
    Until they endanger lives is not a reason to consider them an asset.
    Why can't they be viewed in the same lenses? If the very same "god blessed whistleblowers" demurring certain facts about corrupt people in cabinet they should be doing it about military ops as well. You wouldn't want corrupt people planning those operations would you.
    At any rate Americans are naïve as well to think that their country is not conversing directly/indirectly w/ Russia to gather intelligence.
    Asset until they endanger lives, that's a good one.
    This can't be a serious point.
    BTW - the military officers plan missions. The POTUS doesn't.
    I know but the POTUS approves or not of the mission though.
    So if any planners are corrupt/security risk they should also be outed.

    Which is precisely what is happening.....Flynn, for example.
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  • mrussel1 said:

    Tiki said:

    Trump loved leaks before he hated them

    the irony.
    "hack her emails, russia!"
    "the real scandal here is that classified information is illegally given out by "intelligence" like candy"
    Really? Does Trump oriented hypocrisy surprise anyone? Do we really think he has a moral compass?
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  • mfc2006mfc2006 Posts: 37,435
    DeVos can't even spell compass....
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  • mrussel1 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Illegal or not, the information is true. By definition, a leak is true.

    I agree with that.
    What would you say if leaked military details on upcoming operations were suddenly laid bare because of the "god blessed whistleblowers"?
    Keeping a country safe relies on internal integrity that is the Presidents inner circles job.
    You guys on one hand want the POTUS to fail from leaks yet you believe certain things should not be disclosed.
    Make up your mind.

    Is this an all or nothing scenario for you? How about whistleblowers are an asset until their whistleblowing endangers lives? Obviously leaks about political corruption and leaks about military operations should not be viewed with the same lenses.
    Yes.
    Until they endanger lives is not a reason to consider them an asset.
    Why can't they be viewed in the same lenses? If the very same "god blessed whistleblowers" demurring certain facts about corrupt people in cabinet they should be doing it about military ops as well. You wouldn't want corrupt people planning those operations would you.
    At any rate Americans are naïve as well to think that their country is not conversing directly/indirectly w/ Russia to gather intelligence.
    Asset until they endanger lives, that's a good one.
    This can't be a serious point.
    BTW - the military officers plan missions. The POTUS doesn't.
    I know but the POTUS approves or not of the mission though.
    So if any planners are corrupt/security risk they should also be outed.

    Your defense of the administration's lies to the American public are weak. You better flip back over to Fox or Twitter to tighten up these arguments. The story is the lying. It's not the leaking.
    Not sure where that twitter comment is coming from. I post the tweets because that is what your very own POTUS is putting out there daily for the rest of the world to interpret not because I agree with them. Your interpretation is not the end all be all.
    I've said from the beginning pay attention to his tweets.

    Perhaps being confronted with this info about Flynn the POTUS would not talk about it in public until all the facts were verified.
    Like not talking about a case that is before the courts.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,648

    mrussel1 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Illegal or not, the information is true. By definition, a leak is true.

    I agree with that.
    What would you say if leaked military details on upcoming operations were suddenly laid bare because of the "god blessed whistleblowers"?
    Keeping a country safe relies on internal integrity that is the Presidents inner circles job.
    You guys on one hand want the POTUS to fail from leaks yet you believe certain things should not be disclosed.
    Make up your mind.

    Is this an all or nothing scenario for you? How about whistleblowers are an asset until their whistleblowing endangers lives? Obviously leaks about political corruption and leaks about military operations should not be viewed with the same lenses.
    Yes.
    Until they endanger lives is not a reason to consider them an asset.
    Why can't they be viewed in the same lenses? If the very same "god blessed whistleblowers" demurring certain facts about corrupt people in cabinet they should be doing it about military ops as well. You wouldn't want corrupt people planning those operations would you.
    At any rate Americans are naïve as well to think that their country is not conversing directly/indirectly w/ Russia to gather intelligence.
    Asset until they endanger lives, that's a good one.
    This can't be a serious point.
    BTW - the military officers plan missions. The POTUS doesn't.
    I know but the POTUS approves or not of the mission though.
    So if any planners are corrupt/security risk they should also be outed.

    Your defense of the administration's lies to the American public are weak. You better flip back over to Fox or Twitter to tighten up these arguments. The story is the lying. It's not the leaking.
    Not sure where that twitter comment is coming from. I post the tweets because that is what your very own POTUS is putting out there daily for the rest of the world to interpret not because I agree with them. Your interpretation is not the end all be all.
    I've said from the beginning pay attention to his tweets.

    Perhaps being confronted with this info about Flynn the POTUS would not talk about it in public until all the facts were verified.
    Like not talking about a case that is before the courts.
    He said he was unaware of it. A non lying president would have said "We're reviewing x, I don't want to comment at this time, but we will shortly". Or better yet, fire the guy as soon as you learned (18 days ago) that he lied to the VP. Or better yet, don't instruct him to lie to the VP., Or better yet, be a normal human being with a conscience.
  • mfc2006 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Illegal or not, the information is true. By definition, a leak is true.

    I agree with that.
    What would you say if leaked military details on upcoming operations were suddenly laid bare because of the "god blessed whistleblowers"?
    Keeping a country safe relies on internal integrity that is the Presidents inner circles job.
    You guys on one hand want the POTUS to fail from leaks yet you believe certain things should not be disclosed.
    Make up your mind.

    Is this an all or nothing scenario for you? How about whistleblowers are an asset until their whistleblowing endangers lives? Obviously leaks about political corruption and leaks about military operations should not be viewed with the same lenses.
    Yes.
    Until they endanger lives is not a reason to consider them an asset.
    Why can't they be viewed in the same lenses? If the very same "god blessed whistleblowers" demurring certain facts about corrupt people in cabinet they should be doing it about military ops as well. You wouldn't want corrupt people planning those operations would you.
    At any rate Americans are naïve as well to think that their country is not conversing directly/indirectly w/ Russia to gather intelligence.
    Asset until they endanger lives, that's a good one.
    This can't be a serious point.
    BTW - the military officers plan missions. The POTUS doesn't.
    I know but the POTUS approves or not of the mission though.
    So if any planners are corrupt/security risk they should also be outed.

    Which is precisely what is happening.....Flynn, for example.
    Do you believe President Trump asked for his resignation?
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  • mfc2006mfc2006 Posts: 37,435

    mfc2006 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Illegal or not, the information is true. By definition, a leak is true.

    I agree with that.
    What would you say if leaked military details on upcoming operations were suddenly laid bare because of the "god blessed whistleblowers"?
    Keeping a country safe relies on internal integrity that is the Presidents inner circles job.
    You guys on one hand want the POTUS to fail from leaks yet you believe certain things should not be disclosed.
    Make up your mind.

    Is this an all or nothing scenario for you? How about whistleblowers are an asset until their whistleblowing endangers lives? Obviously leaks about political corruption and leaks about military operations should not be viewed with the same lenses.
    Yes.
    Until they endanger lives is not a reason to consider them an asset.
    Why can't they be viewed in the same lenses? If the very same "god blessed whistleblowers" demurring certain facts about corrupt people in cabinet they should be doing it about military ops as well. You wouldn't want corrupt people planning those operations would you.
    At any rate Americans are naïve as well to think that their country is not conversing directly/indirectly w/ Russia to gather intelligence.
    Asset until they endanger lives, that's a good one.
    This can't be a serious point.
    BTW - the military officers plan missions. The POTUS doesn't.
    I know but the POTUS approves or not of the mission though.
    So if any planners are corrupt/security risk they should also be outed.

    Which is precisely what is happening.....Flynn, for example.
    Do you believe President Trump asked for his resignation?
    Whether he did or not is irrelevant to the counterpoint I made to your point. When you said "So if any planners are corrupt/security risk they should also be outed."

    To that point, I stated that's what happened with Flynn. Hence, your point is irrelevant to my response.
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  • mfc2006 said:

    mfc2006 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Illegal or not, the information is true. By definition, a leak is true.

    I agree with that.
    What would you say if leaked military details on upcoming operations were suddenly laid bare because of the "god blessed whistleblowers"?
    Keeping a country safe relies on internal integrity that is the Presidents inner circles job.
    You guys on one hand want the POTUS to fail from leaks yet you believe certain things should not be disclosed.
    Make up your mind.

    Is this an all or nothing scenario for you? How about whistleblowers are an asset until their whistleblowing endangers lives? Obviously leaks about political corruption and leaks about military operations should not be viewed with the same lenses.
    Yes.
    Until they endanger lives is not a reason to consider them an asset.
    Why can't they be viewed in the same lenses? If the very same "god blessed whistleblowers" demurring certain facts about corrupt people in cabinet they should be doing it about military ops as well. You wouldn't want corrupt people planning those operations would you.
    At any rate Americans are naïve as well to think that their country is not conversing directly/indirectly w/ Russia to gather intelligence.
    Asset until they endanger lives, that's a good one.
    This can't be a serious point.
    BTW - the military officers plan missions. The POTUS doesn't.
    I know but the POTUS approves or not of the mission though.
    So if any planners are corrupt/security risk they should also be outed.

    Which is precisely what is happening.....Flynn, for example.
    Do you believe President Trump asked for his resignation?
    Whether he did or not is irrelevant to the counterpoint I made to your point. When you said "So if any planners are corrupt/security risk they should also be outed."

    To that point, I stated that's what happened with Flynn. Hence, your point is irrelevant to my response.
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