Should Betsy DeVos be confirmed as Secretary of Education?

jeffbr

Can't wait for DeVos to make this required reading in public elementary schools.

cottagesteeze

No

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

unsung said:

The better question should be why is there an unconstitutional federal dept of education? That is a state issue.

Maybe it's meant to somehow help kids who are disadvantaged simply because they happen to live in a state with a shitty education system? Like a state that decides to teach creationism and make teaching evolution voluntary? Shit like that. If anything SHOULD be run federally, it's education. I hate that education is still largely handled on the state/provincial level. It makes no sense. There should be NATIONAL standards for education so that kids are all on equal footing.

Teaching kids is like your fingers on your hand. All are different. Some people are meant to sweep streets and others are meant to become doctors. Should they all have the same chances? Yes. Should they all be taught the same? No.

If you have a learning disability then you should be in a classroom that can accommodate that. That child should be steered in the direction to succeed and not to fail.

So no, I don't think schooling should be universal.

You bring up an interesting point about national though. I attended 3 different schools in 3rd grade, 2 for fith grade and some books we were reading I did the year before. In another school we read books that I knew older kids were reading. So something can be said for teaching the same curriculum nationally.

I think the thing you are confusing here is that nobody said "schooling should be universal". I understand that different kids learn in different ways. Each school should have a wide variety of teaching tactics and class options.

Letting the federal government run education is not mutually exclusive from that.

On the other hand, if it is up to states, there will be certain states where you are GUARANTEED to not receive the education you need. If Mississippi decided evolution should not be taught, you better hope you aren't a kid in Mississippi.

tbergs

jeffbr said:

Can't wait for DeVos to make this required reading in public elementary schools.

So funny and yet so frustrating, ugh.

PJ_Soul

No

what dreams said:

PJ_Soul said:

unsung said:

The better question should be why is there an unconstitutional federal dept of education? That is a state issue.

Maybe it's meant to somehow help kids who are disadvantaged simply because they happen to live in a state with a shitty education system? Like a state that decides to teach creationism and make teaching evolution voluntary? Shit like that. If anything SHOULD be run federally, it's education. I hate that education is still largely handled on the state/provincial level. It makes no sense. There should be NATIONAL standards for education so that kids are all on equal footing.

Yeah, because we've had a federal agency since 1980, and they've done NOTHING to improve education in any state. At all. Period. North, south, east, or west -- the US Department of Education could disappear tomorrow and not a single teacher or child across the land would notice.

Well then it should be fixed, not eliminated.

CM189191

No

unsung said:

The better question should be why is there an unconstitutional federal dept of education? That is a state issue.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Pretty sure education falls in there somewhere. As we learned this election, a stupid democracy is a weak democracy. There's a reason why the right keeps pushing to dumb down the electorate: makes it easier to float alternative facts past people who lack critical thinking skills.

unsung

PJ_Soul said:

unsung said:

The better question should be why is there an unconstitutional federal dept of education? That is a state issue.

Maybe it's meant to somehow help kids who are disadvantaged simply because they happen to live in a state with a shitty education system? Like a state that decides to teach creationism and make teaching evolution voluntary? Shit like that. If anything SHOULD be run federally, it's education. I hate that education is still largely handled on the state/provincial level. It makes no sense. There should be NATIONAL standards for education so that kids are all on equal footing.

It is not an expressly enumerated function of the general government so it is therefore unconstitutional.

mfc2006

No

just wanted to say HELL NO one more time

wnh1977

No

Are you fucking kidding me? Of course fucking not.

Free

No

"I will be voting against Betsy DeVos for Secretary of Education. We must strengthen public education in America, not destroy it. We must have a qualified and knowledgeable Secretary of Education, not a multi-billionaire who has made hundreds of millions in campaign contributions to right-wing Republicans. Betsy DeVos must not become Secretary of Education." - Bernie Sanders

vaggar99

No

thanks Bernie. but your coward peers see it differently

PJ_Soul

No

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Free

No

Chuck Schumer: Trump's Education Pick Would 'Single-Handedly Decimate' Public Schools

https://www.google.com/amp/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_58895b63e4b0024605fdc1ee/amp?client=safari

josevolution

She's gonna get the nod you watch at the end of the day all of them will be appointed !

vaggar99

No

Kim Jong-Un would be confirmed by this GOP Congress of cowards

RiotZact

Yes

You know, I feel really fucked up for saying this, but I hope every one of these fucking clowns gets approved. Maybe after 4 years of a circus we'll all wake up enough to realize we can't ever let anything like this happen again, maybe those millions of people that voted for Obama but sat on their asses this year will swallow their pride and vote for the lesser (much lesser) of two evils.

Plus it's not like we're magically going to get Bernie Sanders just becuase she gets denied, it will just be some other fucking clown. We made this bed, we're going to have to sleep in it eventually.

Also, I say all this as someone that will be graduating with a degree in Early Childhood Education sometime in the next four years.

vaggar99

No

RiotZact said:

You know, I feel really fucked up for saying this, but I hope every one of these fucking clowns gets approved. Maybe after 4 years of a circus we'll all wake up enough to realize we can't ever let anything like this happen again, maybe those millions of people that voted for Obama but sat on their asses this year will swallow their pride and vote for the lesser (much lesser) of two evils.

Plus it's not like we're magically going to get Bernie Sanders just becuase she gets denied, it will just be some other fucking clown. We made this bed, we're going to have to sleep in it eventually.

Also, I say all this as someone that will be graduating with a degree in Early Childhood Education sometime in the next four years.

denying Trump his cabinet picks embarrasses him and weakens him further. thats the objective. she's also a piece of garbage.

RiotZact

Yes

vaggar99 said:

RiotZact said:

You know, I feel really fucked up for saying this, but I hope every one of these fucking clowns gets approved. Maybe after 4 years of a circus we'll all wake up enough to realize we can't ever let anything like this happen again, maybe those millions of people that voted for Obama but sat on their asses this year will swallow their pride and vote for the lesser (much lesser) of two evils.

Plus it's not like we're magically going to get Bernie Sanders just becuase she gets denied, it will just be some other fucking clown. We made this bed, we're going to have to sleep in it eventually.

Also, I say all this as someone that will be graduating with a degree in Early Childhood Education sometime in the next four years.

denying Trump his cabinet picks embarrasses him and weakens him further. thats the objective. she's also a piece of garbage.

Does it really though? Or does it just piss him off and make him pick someone even worse (if that's possible)? I will admit I'm not an expert on this process, but my assumption is that he just picks someone else if she gets denied right?

vaggar99

No

RiotZact said:

vaggar99 said:

RiotZact said:

You know, I feel really fucked up for saying this, but I hope every one of these fucking clowns gets approved. Maybe after 4 years of a circus we'll all wake up enough to realize we can't ever let anything like this happen again, maybe those millions of people that voted for Obama but sat on their asses this year will swallow their pride and vote for the lesser (much lesser) of two evils.

Plus it's not like we're magically going to get Bernie Sanders just becuase she gets denied, it will just be some other fucking clown. We made this bed, we're going to have to sleep in it eventually.

Also, I say all this as someone that will be graduating with a degree in Early Childhood Education sometime in the next four years.

denying Trump his cabinet picks embarrasses him and weakens him further. thats the objective. she's also a piece of garbage.

Does it really though? Or does it just piss him off and make him pick someone even worse (if that's possible)? I will admit I'm not an expert on this process, but my assumption is that he just picks someone else if she gets denied right?

still have to confirm the next one, right?

mcgruff10

No

RiotZact said:

You know, I feel really fucked up for saying this, but I hope every one of these fucking clowns gets approved. Maybe after 4 years of a circus we'll all wake up enough to realize we can't ever let anything like this happen again, maybe those millions of people that voted for Obama but sat on their asses this year will swallow their pride and vote for the lesser (much lesser) of two evils.

Plus it's not like we're magically going to get Bernie Sanders just becuase she gets denied, it will just be some other fucking clown. We made this bed, we're going to have to sleep in it eventually.

Also, I say all this as someone that will be graduating with a degree in Early Childhood Education sometime in the next four years.

I agree with what you are saying but no only to secretary of education. Let s not fuck with kids. We need someone good in there; this bitch needs to be denied.

RiotZact

Yes

vaggar99 said:

RiotZact said:

vaggar99 said:

RiotZact said:

You know, I feel really fucked up for saying this, but I hope every one of these fucking clowns gets approved. Maybe after 4 years of a circus we'll all wake up enough to realize we can't ever let anything like this happen again, maybe those millions of people that voted for Obama but sat on their asses this year will swallow their pride and vote for the lesser (much lesser) of two evils.

Plus it's not like we're magically going to get Bernie Sanders just becuase she gets denied, it will just be some other fucking clown. We made this bed, we're going to have to sleep in it eventually.

Also, I say all this as someone that will be graduating with a degree in Early Childhood Education sometime in the next four years.

denying Trump his cabinet picks embarrasses him and weakens him further. thats the objective. she's also a piece of garbage.

Does it really though? Or does it just piss him off and make him pick someone even worse (if that's possible)? I will admit I'm not an expert on this process, but my assumption is that he just picks someone else if she gets denied right?

still have to confirm the next one, right?

Yes, but at some point something has to give, and it's mostly republicans voting on it, so I can't really see them giving him too hard of a time for very long.

mcgruff10 said:

RiotZact said:

You know, I feel really fucked up for saying this, but I hope every one of these fucking clowns gets approved. Maybe after 4 years of a circus we'll all wake up enough to realize we can't ever let anything like this happen again, maybe those millions of people that voted for Obama but sat on their asses this year will swallow their pride and vote for the lesser (much lesser) of two evils.

Plus it's not like we're magically going to get Bernie Sanders just becuase she gets denied, it will just be some other fucking clown. We made this bed, we're going to have to sleep in it eventually.

Also, I say all this as someone that will be graduating with a degree in Early Childhood Education sometime in the next four years.

I agree with what you are saying but no only to secretary of education. Let s not fuck with kids. We need someone good in there; this bitch needs to be denied.

I get what you're saying, that's why I said I feel fucked up saying it. But think about this, let's say she gets denied and Trump picks a more traditional republican type person for the job (which I doubt he would do anyway), someone that a Jeb Bush or Mitt Romney might choose. Sure, they won't be nearly as bad as DeVos, but they'll still suck, the difference is that traditional republican and moderate voters will be ok with it, whereas right now we have people that have voted republican for their whole lives pissed off at the choice. Those are people that could be converted if they get pissed off enough over the next 4 years, but if we end up with the more traditional choice those same people might be more than happy to vote for him again in 4 years. I'd rather have 4 years of 100% shitty than 8+ years of 80% shitty.

I honestly see Donald Trump's presidency as an opportunity to destroy the current status quo of the Republican Party. The more chaos that ensues, the more likely we are to have a Bernie v. Hilary election in 20 years instead of another Trump v. Hilary, if that makes sense (it probably doesn't).