1. David French seems to want to accentuate "unsuccessfully" in the attempt at collusion. But how do we know it was unsuccessful at this point? The only info we have re: the result of the meeting is what the attorney and DJT said. These are not exactly credible sources.
2. Adam Schiff was on MSNBC this morning and said the intel committee has a lot more information than what is available publicly. And one would think Mueller has even more.
This is likely just the start.
Agreed. He's just a bit more reasonable than most partisan hacks on the right.
I am buckled up and enjoying the ride to impeachment.
I was too young for Watergate, but this is a helluva lot more interesting. I know Trump likes drama and ratings...well he's got that!
were you too young to remember Ted Kennedy Russia and Reagan?
In any other planet, with citizenry who have an average IQ of greater than 45, these things would have thoroughly rendered a politician as completely untrustworthy, to add to the obvious attributes of being completely unqualified and incapable.
But we will keep making excuses for these people and their actions a little bit longer
In any other planet, with citizenry who have an average IQ of greater than 45, these things would have thoroughly rendered a politician as completely untrustworthy, to add to the obvious attributes of being completely inexperienced and incapable.
But we will keep making excuses for these people and their actions a little bit longer
Until Obama's 4th estate rounds them up and ships them to the FEMA camps.
1. David French seems to want to accentuate "unsuccessfully" in the attempt at collusion. But how do we know it was unsuccessful at this point? The only info we have re: the result of the meeting is what the attorney and DJT said. These are not exactly credible sources.
2. Adam Schiff was on MSNBC this morning and said the intel committee has a lot more information than what is available publicly. And one would think Mueller has even more.
This is likely just the start.
Agreed. He's just a bit more reasonable than most partisan hacks on the right.
I am buckled up and enjoying the ride to impeachment.
I was too young for Watergate, but this is a helluva lot more interesting. I know Trump likes drama and ratings...well he's got that!
were you too young to remember Ted Kennedy Russia and Reagan?
I don't remember President Ted Kennedy. I feel like he lost the 80 nomination. Either way, defending your guy by accusing someone else isn't a very good legal strategy.
1. David French seems to want to accentuate "unsuccessfully" in the attempt at collusion. But how do we know it was unsuccessful at this point? The only info we have re: the result of the meeting is what the attorney and DJT said. These are not exactly credible sources.
2. Adam Schiff was on MSNBC this morning and said the intel committee has a lot more information than what is available publicly. And one would think Mueller has even more.
This is likely just the start.
Agreed. He's just a bit more reasonable than most partisan hacks on the right.
I am buckled up and enjoying the ride to impeachment.
I was too young for Watergate, but this is a helluva lot more interesting. I know Trump likes drama and ratings...well he's got that!
were you too young to remember Ted Kennedy Russia and Reagan?
I don't remember President Ted Kennedy. I feel like he lost the 80 nomination. Either way, defending your guy by accusing someone else isn't a very good legal strategy.
I'm not defending anyone or accusing anyone and its not strategy but precedent, political legal precedent. If when this is all over and the charges are brought, we can compare the two "cases".
1. David French seems to want to accentuate "unsuccessfully" in the attempt at collusion. But how do we know it was unsuccessful at this point? The only info we have re: the result of the meeting is what the attorney and DJT said. These are not exactly credible sources.
2. Adam Schiff was on MSNBC this morning and said the intel committee has a lot more information than what is available publicly. And one would think Mueller has even more.
This is likely just the start.
Agreed. He's just a bit more reasonable than most partisan hacks on the right.
I am buckled up and enjoying the ride to impeachment.
I was too young for Watergate, but this is a helluva lot more interesting. I know Trump likes drama and ratings...well he's got that!
were you too young to remember Ted Kennedy Russia and Reagan?
I don't remember President Ted Kennedy. I feel like he lost the 80 nomination. Either way, defending your guy by accusing someone else isn't a very good legal strategy.
I'm not defending anyone or accusing anyone and its not strategy but precedent, political legal precedent. If when this is all over and the charges are brought, we can compare the two "cases".
How is it a precedent? Was he investigated, prosecuted and acquitted? Was there an AG investigation that was killed by the Reagan WH? Was there a Senate investigation? Did a case go to a high court under a Constitutional challenge that created an actual legal precedent? Was it even a "case" in the legal sense?
1. David French seems to want to accentuate "unsuccessfully" in the attempt at collusion. But how do we know it was unsuccessful at this point? The only info we have re: the result of the meeting is what the attorney and DJT said. These are not exactly credible sources.
2. Adam Schiff was on MSNBC this morning and said the intel committee has a lot more information than what is available publicly. And one would think Mueller has even more.
This is likely just the start.
Agreed. He's just a bit more reasonable than most partisan hacks on the right.
I am buckled up and enjoying the ride to impeachment.
I was too young for Watergate, but this is a helluva lot more interesting. I know Trump likes drama and ratings...well he's got that!
were you too young to remember Ted Kennedy Russia and Reagan?
I don't remember President Ted Kennedy. I feel like he lost the 80 nomination. Either way, defending your guy by accusing someone else isn't a very good legal strategy.
I'm not defending anyone or accusing anyone and its not strategy but precedent, political legal precedent. If when this is all over and the charges are brought, we can compare the two "cases".
How is it a precedent? Was he investigated, prosecuted and acquitted? Was there an AG investigation that was killed by the Reagan WH? Was there a Senate investigation? Did a case go to a high court under a Constitutional challenge that created an actual legal precedent? Was it even a "case" in the legal sense?
I'm only speaking to the recent Jr revelations with Russian attorney that Kaine said is potentially treasonous. no, pretty much answers all your questions. anyway, until tomorrow, appreciate the back and forth today with all involved, helped me get thru a down day. "take care, thankyougoodnight"
1. David French seems to want to accentuate "unsuccessfully" in the attempt at collusion. But how do we know it was unsuccessful at this point? The only info we have re: the result of the meeting is what the attorney and DJT said. These are not exactly credible sources.
2. Adam Schiff was on MSNBC this morning and said the intel committee has a lot more information than what is available publicly. And one would think Mueller has even more.
This is likely just the start.
Agreed. He's just a bit more reasonable than most partisan hacks on the right.
I am buckled up and enjoying the ride to impeachment.
I was too young for Watergate, but this is a helluva lot more interesting. I know Trump likes drama and ratings...well he's got that!
were you too young to remember Ted Kennedy Russia and Reagan?
I don't remember President Ted Kennedy. I feel like he lost the 80 nomination. Either way, defending your guy by accusing someone else isn't a very good legal strategy.
I'm not defending anyone or accusing anyone and its not strategy but precedent, political legal precedent. If when this is all over and the charges are brought, we can compare the two "cases".
How is it a precedent? Was he investigated, prosecuted and acquitted? Was there an AG investigation that was killed by the Reagan WH? Was there a Senate investigation? Did a case go to a high court under a Constitutional challenge that created an actual legal precedent? Was it even a "case" in the legal sense?
I'm only speaking to the recent Jr revelations with Russian attorney that Kaine said is potentially treasonous. no, pretty much answers all your questions. anyway, until tomorrow, appreciate the back and forth today with all involved, helped me get thru a down day. "take care, thankyougoodnight"
maybe I'm new to this...but how is this treasonous? using information against your opponent, gathered from whomever, is not treason. treason is going against your own country. this is all, so far, just for personal political gain. unless it can be proven that russia somehow benefited from this exchange directly from the trump admin, which we have seen no evidence of yet, this is just a "gift". however, it does show how much this admin has lied through their stinking teeth this whole time.
if hillary's campaign had been offered and received the PTAPE and released it, would that have been considered treason?
maybe I'm new to this...but how is this treasonous? using information against your opponent, gathered from whomever, is not treason. treason is going against your own country. this is all, so far, just for personal political gain. unless it can be proven that russia somehow benefited from this exchange directly from the trump admin, which we have seen no evidence of yet, this is just a "gift". however, it does show how much this admin has lied through their stinking teeth this whole time.
if hillary's campaign had been offered and received the PTAPE and released it, would that have been considered treason?
or just awesome?
If a foreign power provided the tape to the campaign, and the campaign knew the origin and released it (vs going to the FBI with the information), then yes they would be in the exact position DJT sits right now.
Whether it's treason or not would be decided by the prosecutor and then jury. From what we know so far, that's a hyperbolic word I would say. It's certainly very UnAmerican and probably a violation of campaign finance laws to say the least. And those are felonies.
maybe I'm new to this...but how is this treasonous? using information against your opponent, gathered from whomever, is not treason. treason is going against your own country. this is all, so far, just for personal political gain. unless it can be proven that russia somehow benefited from this exchange directly from the trump admin, which we have seen no evidence of yet, this is just a "gift". however, it does show how much this admin has lied through their stinking teeth this whole time.
if hillary's campaign had been offered and received the PTAPE and released it, would that have been considered treason?
or just awesome?
Awesome! But if Hillary's campaign agreed to lift sanctions or allow for mutually lucrative business deals between say Exxon Mobil and Russia after taking the oath of office in exchange for the PTAPE, then you have a conspiracy. And there'd be 14 congressional investigations and calls to impeach and lock her up.
Let me say this... I don't give a shit about legal definitions... I know we aren't at war with russia, technically, therefore they are not technically "an enemy"...
What I say is when you actively work with a foreign government to influence my presidential election... then that is some treasonous shit... especially when it is the Putin regime you are coordinating with...
I also don't take this info in a vacuum without context... do we honestly think this was the extent of collaboration with Russia? do we really think there was no quid pro quo? Flynn lied about meeting with Russians... Jared lied about meeting with Russians... Sessions lied about meeting with Russians... Donald Jr lied about meeting with the Russians... Manafort lied about meeting with the Russians... Page lied about meeting with the Russians... and now we have PROOF of a meeting and attempted collaboration at a minimum
It is all a treasonous pile of shit if you ask me, with the orange turd on top of the pile
Putin wanted a certain outcome in our election... doesn't matter the reasoning... these guys collaborated with him to influence the election and create that outcome... the fact the Trump team were set to gain from this only compounds this problem...
If Cheslea Manning was sent to prison and Edward Snowden has to live in exile then these scumbags should all be serving time
Shouldn't America now be focused more on strengthening the electoral process to prevent this type of thing from happening again rather than just talking about what they think happened?
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Shouldn't America now be focused more on strengthening the electoral process to prevent this type of thing from happening again rather than just talking about what they think happened?
Shouldn't America now be focused more on strengthening the electoral process to prevent this type of thing from happening again rather than just talking about what they think happened?
You're right. For example, when someone robs a bank, I don't think we should prosecute that person. It's indicative of a lax security system. We should probably thank them actually.
Shouldn't America now be focused more on strengthening the electoral process to prevent this type of thing from happening again rather than just talking about what they think happened?
Shouldn't America now be focused more on strengthening the electoral process to prevent this type of thing from happening again rather than just talking about what they think happened?
If we were Canada. Or Europe. Or a second tier used to be third world country trying to get better. But we'e 'meruca. We're number 1, we're number 1, we're number 1. USA USA USA!
Shouldn't America now be focused more on strengthening the electoral process to prevent this type of thing from happening again rather than just talking about what they think happened?
You're right. For example, when someone robs a bank, I don't think we should prosecute that person. It's indicative of a lax security system. We should probably thank them actually.
Thanks Mr. Trump!
Thanking him isn't enough. We should work with the robber and form a joint robbery task force to ensure robberies never occur again. MAGA!!!!
Shouldn't America now be focused more on strengthening the electoral process to prevent this type of thing from happening again rather than just talking about what they think happened?
You're right. For example, when someone robs a bank, I don't think we should prosecute that person. It's indicative of a lax security system. We should probably thank them actually.
Thanks Mr. Trump!
Thanking him isn't enough. We should work with the robber and form a joint robbery task force to ensure robberies never occur again. MAGA!!!!
Jared Kushner failed to report (at least) 3 meetings w/ Kremlin connected foreign nationals from his security clearance disclosures.
I wonder why?
He likes the friendly confines of a 6'X9' having visited his dad, who was put there by none other than beached whale Jesus Christ christy. This administration is over flowing with irony.
its no coincidence that Trump Russia collusion and Russia election rigging was proven on Amazon prime day.
Is The NY Times fake news ?
I'm not sure what fake news is but I'm certain the organization NYT,is not fake news. Wait until you see the email that the anonymous sources viewed! Coming soon
Jr released the email chain! COLLUSION 101
Because he knew the NYT was about to release them...
your theory of NYT releasing the emails seems off, any other theories why Jr released?
How close were you to publishing before Trump Jr. tweeted the emails?
I was a ways off. This was a thing that felt like it was going to go on for the rest of the time Donald Trump was in office. I have book coming out that touches on the beginnings of it, though. It was one of those things where you put in the calls, you get told no on stuff, and you just hope Bob Mueller finds something, or The New York Times or The Washington Post, who have done amazing things on this stuff. The investigation of this, especially when you’re not at a big house, it feels like a hobby. It feels like being a HAM Radio operator in your basement. It’s something I did for a year, and to just have it land in the lap of the American public is bizarre.
maybe I'm new to this...but how is this treasonous? using information against your opponent, gathered from whomever, is not treason. treason is going against your own country. this is all, so far, just for personal political gain. unless it can be proven that russia somehow benefited from this exchange directly from the trump admin, which we have seen no evidence of yet, this is just a "gift". however, it does show how much this admin has lied through their stinking teeth this whole time.
if hillary's campaign had been offered and received the PTAPE and released it, would that have been considered treason?
or just awesome?
If a foreign power provided the tape to the campaign, and the campaign knew the origin and released it (vs going to the FBI with the information), then yes they would be in the exact position DJT sits right now.
Whether it's treason or not would be decided by the prosecutor and then jury. From what we know so far, that's a hyperbolic word I would say. It's certainly very UnAmerican and probably a violation of campaign finance laws to say the least. And those are felonies.
Imagine Chelsea Clinton had taken Bill Clinton and
campaign chair John Podesta to a meeting set up by a Chinese government
intermediary who claimed to have damaging information about Donald
Trump’s tax returns and said over email they were willing to share the information in a bid to defeat Trump. Imagine emails
emerged in which Chelsea, Bill and Podesta were all told the meeting
was with a lawyer for the Chinese government and “is part of China and
its government’s support for Ms. Clinton.”
Imagine this information came out mere weeks after stories
revealing a major Democratic funder, acting on the behest of
prospective National Security Adviser Susan Rice, had been trying to
work with Chinese hackers to steal copies of Trump’s tax returns.
Imagine, during all of this, that Hillary Clinton herself
had gotten on a stage and begged the Chinese government to release
Trump’s tax returns. “China, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to
find the tax returns,” Clinton said in Florida. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”
Imagine that these stories were not isolated. They came
alongside dozens of strange meetings between Clinton campaign aides and
Chinese staffers — contacts left off security clearance forms and
“forgotten” during sworn congressional testimony — and were buttressed
by Clinton herself lurching toward a strangely pro-China policy and an unusual, and repeatedly articulated, affection for China’s leader.
Imagine Chelsea Clinton had taken Bill Clinton and
campaign chair John Podesta to a meeting set up by a Chinese government
intermediary who claimed to have damaging information about Donald
Trump’s tax returns and said over email they were willing to share the information in a bid to defeat Trump. Imagine emails
emerged in which Chelsea, Bill and Podesta were all told the meeting
was with a lawyer for the Chinese government and “is part of China and
its government’s support for Ms. Clinton.”
Imagine this information came out mere weeks after stories
revealing a major Democratic funder, acting on the behest of
prospective National Security Adviser Susan Rice, had been trying to
work with Chinese hackers to steal copies of Trump’s tax returns.
Imagine, during all of this, that Hillary Clinton herself
had gotten on a stage and begged the Chinese government to release
Trump’s tax returns. “China, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to
find the tax returns,” Clinton said in Florida. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”
Imagine that these stories were not isolated. They came
alongside dozens of strange meetings between Clinton campaign aides and
Chinese staffers — contacts left off security clearance forms and
“forgotten” during sworn congressional testimony — and were buttressed
by Clinton herself lurching toward a strangely pro-China policy and an unusual, and repeatedly articulated, affection for China’s leader.
good question my guess...I'm guessing there would be an investigation and in the face of mountains of evidence the justice department would rule that laws were broken but there was "no intent" of criminality, therefore no prosecution.
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In any other planet, with citizenry who have an average IQ of greater than 45, these things would have thoroughly rendered a politician as completely untrustworthy, to add to the obvious attributes of being completely unqualified and incapable.
But we will keep making excuses for these people and their actions a little bit longer
Until Obama's 4th estate rounds them up and ships them to the FEMA camps.
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If when this is all over and the charges are brought, we can compare the two "cases".
anyway, until tomorrow, appreciate the back and forth today with all involved, helped me get thru a down day. "take care, thankyougoodnight"
if hillary's campaign had been offered and received the PTAPE and released it, would that have been considered treason?
or just awesome?
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Whether it's treason or not would be decided by the prosecutor and then jury. From what we know so far, that's a hyperbolic word I would say. It's certainly very UnAmerican and probably a violation of campaign finance laws to say the least. And those are felonies.
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What I say is when you actively work with a foreign government to influence my presidential election... then that is some treasonous shit... especially when it is the Putin regime you are coordinating with...
I also don't take this info in a vacuum without context... do we honestly think this was the extent of collaboration with Russia? do we really think there was no quid pro quo? Flynn lied about meeting with Russians... Jared lied about meeting with Russians... Sessions lied about meeting with Russians... Donald Jr lied about meeting with the Russians... Manafort lied about meeting with the Russians... Page lied about meeting with the Russians... and now we have PROOF of a meeting and attempted collaboration at a minimum
It is all a treasonous pile of shit if you ask me, with the orange turd on top of the pile
#MAGA
I love Wikileaks
Sorry America... we're just newbies. As if ignorance of the law is a defense.
If Cheslea Manning was sent to prison and Edward Snowden has to live in exile then these scumbags should all be serving time
Lol
Thanks Mr. Trump!
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Thanking him isn't enough. We should work with the robber and form a joint robbery task force to ensure robberies never occur again. MAGA!!!!
https://twitter.com/yashar/status/884900796957171712
I wonder why?
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How close were you to publishing before Trump Jr. tweeted the emails?
I was a ways off. This was a thing that felt like it was going to go on for the rest of the time Donald Trump was in office. I have book coming out that touches on the beginnings of it, though. It was one of those things where you put in the calls, you get told no on stuff, and you just hope Bob Mueller finds something, or The New York Times or The Washington Post, who have done amazing things on this stuff. The investigation of this, especially when you’re not at a big house, it feels like a hobby. It feels like being a HAM Radio operator in your basement. It’s something I did for a year, and to just have it land in the lap of the American public is bizarre.
We are past the point of innocent explanations on Trump and Russia
Imagine if the Clintons had done what the Trumps did on Russia.
Imagine Chelsea Clinton had taken Bill Clinton and campaign chair John Podesta to a meeting set up by a Chinese government intermediary who claimed to have damaging information about Donald Trump’s tax returns and said over email they were willing to share the information in a bid to defeat Trump. Imagine emails emerged in which Chelsea, Bill and Podesta were all told the meeting was with a lawyer for the Chinese government and “is part of China and its government’s support for Ms. Clinton.”
Imagine this information came out mere weeks after stories revealing a major Democratic funder, acting on the behest of prospective National Security Adviser Susan Rice, had been trying to work with Chinese hackers to steal copies of Trump’s tax returns.
Imagine, during all of this, that Hillary Clinton herself had gotten on a stage and begged the Chinese government to release Trump’s tax returns. “China, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the tax returns,” Clinton said in Florida. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”
Imagine that these stories were not isolated. They came alongside dozens of strange meetings between Clinton campaign aides and Chinese staffers — contacts left off security clearance forms and “forgotten” during sworn congressional testimony — and were buttressed by Clinton herself lurching toward a strangely pro-China policy and an unusual, and repeatedly articulated, affection for China’s leader.
good question my guess...I'm guessing there would be an investigation and in the face of mountains of evidence the justice department would rule that laws were broken but there was "no intent" of criminality, therefore no prosecution.