Russia's Influence On The American Election

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    dignin said:
    Talks about it being this guy: Rinat Akhmetshin
    Strange that NBC wouldn't name him.
    Maybe because NBC is still considering him a private citizen for the moment...

    Trump Jr repeatedly insisted on Hannity that he has shared all there is to share on the subject.  I feel like I should be surprised that he lied again.
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,810
    dignin said:

    Russian 'Gun-For-Hire' Lurks In Shadows Of Washington's Lobbying World

    "That it was shown at all was a small coup for Rinat Akhmetshin, the man at the back of the room who for nearly 20 years has worked the shadowy corners of the Washington lobbying scene on behalf of businessmen and politicians from around the former Soviet Union.

    "I call him skilled because -- though I am certain that they exist -- I know of no Russian gun-for-hire who managed to run his campaigns so successfully, running circles around purportedly much more seasoned Washington hands,” says Steve LeVine, a veteran Washington reporter who explored some of Akhmetshin’s past work in his 2007 book The Oil And The Glory."


    https://www.rferl.org/a/rinat-akmetshin-russia-gun-for-hire-washington-lobbying-magnitsky-browder/27863265.html

    Sounds like a great guy from reading this. Nothing good to spin if he indeed was in the room.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,024
    tbergs said:
    dignin said:

    Russian 'Gun-For-Hire' Lurks In Shadows Of Washington's Lobbying World

    "That it was shown at all was a small coup for Rinat Akhmetshin, the man at the back of the room who for nearly 20 years has worked the shadowy corners of the Washington lobbying scene on behalf of businessmen and politicians from around the former Soviet Union.

    "I call him skilled because -- though I am certain that they exist -- I know of no Russian gun-for-hire who managed to run his campaigns so successfully, running circles around purportedly much more seasoned Washington hands,” says Steve LeVine, a veteran Washington reporter who explored some of Akhmetshin’s past work in his 2007 book The Oil And The Glory."


    https://www.rferl.org/a/rinat-akmetshin-russia-gun-for-hire-washington-lobbying-magnitsky-browder/27863265.html

    Sounds like a great guy from reading this. Nothing good to spin if he indeed was in the room.
    Wait for 3D to chime in.
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Funny how there is always a Clinton connection
    renaissance capital
    imf loans
    Funny how all roads lead back to Oh Loretta
    fisa warrants
    unmasking
    approving expired visa
    tapping Manafort phone

    like I said shiz about to get ugly!
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    edited July 2017
    tbergs said:
    dignin said:

    Russian 'Gun-For-Hire' Lurks In Shadows Of Washington's Lobbying World

    "That it was shown at all was a small coup for Rinat Akhmetshin, the man at the back of the room who for nearly 20 years has worked the shadowy corners of the Washington lobbying scene on behalf of businessmen and politicians from around the former Soviet Union.

    "I call him skilled because -- though I am certain that they exist -- I know of no Russian gun-for-hire who managed to run his campaigns so successfully, running circles around purportedly much more seasoned Washington hands,” says Steve LeVine, a veteran Washington reporter who explored some of Akhmetshin’s past work in his 2007 book The Oil And The Glory."


    https://www.rferl.org/a/rinat-akmetshin-russia-gun-for-hire-washington-lobbying-magnitsky-browder/27863265.html

    Sounds like a great guy from reading this. Nothing good to spin if he indeed was in the room.

    Apparently this guy was previously accused in federal and state courts of orchestrating an international hacking conspiracy.


    You cannot make this stuff up

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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    edited July 2017
    JC29856 said:
    Funny how there is always a Clinton connection
    renaissance capital
    imf loans
    Funny how all roads lead back to Oh Loretta
    fisa warrants
    unmasking
    approving expired visa
    tapping Manafort phone

    like I said shiz about to get ugly!
    Back to the Obama wiretap diversion. Sure, that will make all of Trump's problems go away. Embarrassing.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908

    Irrational right wing people for the last 6 months: "NO COLLUSION! NO COLLUSION! NO COLLUSION!"


    Irrational right wing people today: "COLLUSION IS NOT ILLEGAL! COLLUSION IS NOT ILLEGAL! COLLUSION IS NOT ILLEGAL!"


    Impeachment or resignation is coming, folks....

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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,451
    Everyone in Europe is talking about John Podesta! 
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,538
    Trump Tower Russia meeting: At least eight people in the room - CNN
    Talks about it being this guy: Rinat Akhmetshin
    I'm sure he was only in the room for 7 minutes and left with Jared.  Probably on his phone the entire 7 minutes texting Manafort.  Nothing to see here.
    Talks about it being this guy: Rinat Akhmetshin
    I'm sure he was only in the room for 7 minutes and left with Jared.  Probably on his phone the entire 7 minutes texting Manafort.  Nothing to see here.
    Whoa that easily swayed do you believe bafoon junior ..
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,538
    Trump Tower Russia meeting: At least eight people in the room - CNN
    https://apple.news/Ava7gbEnyTwG70cq0KIvNGQ
    Yeah she only had adoption matters to talk about !

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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    My son and I once met Alex Ovechkin in DC. Before I met Ovie a small part of me had an inkling that he might be a Russian cyborg but he seemed totally human. I hope US Intel  hasn't tapped my Samsung tv to get a glimpse of that small part of me!

    "When you meet with any Russians, you're meeting with Russian intelligence, and therefore Putin." -- Rep. Mike Quigley (D-IL) today on CNN

    www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2017/07/14/vladimir-putin-wedding-gift-alex-ovechkin-nastya-ovechkina/

    https://youtu.be/vzbmI6-YSnQ
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    JC29856 said:
    My son and I once met Alex Ovechkin in DC. Before I met Ovie a small part of me had an inkling that he might be a Russian cyborg but he seemed totally human. I hope US Intel  hasn't tapped my Samsung tv to get a glimpse of that small part of me!

    "When you meet with any Russians, you're meeting with Russian intelligence, and therefore Putin." -- Rep. Mike Quigley (D-IL) today on CNN

    www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2017/07/14/vladimir-putin-wedding-gift-alex-ovechkin-nastya-ovechkina/

    https://youtu.be/vzbmI6-YSnQ
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited July 2017

    Irrational right wing people for the last 6 months: "NO COLLUSION! NO COLLUSION! NO COLLUSION!

    "Irrational right wing people today: "COLLUSION IS NOT ILLEGAL! COLLUSION IS NOT ILLEGAL! COLLUSION IS NOT ILLEGAL!"

    Impeachment or resignation is coming, folks....

    Rational people have been saying all along, "What collusions have been proven so far"?
    There is no impeachment coming, jesus.

  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,024

    Irrational right wing people for the last 6 months: "NO COLLUSION! NO COLLUSION! NO COLLUSION!

    "Irrational right wing people today: "COLLUSION IS NOT ILLEGAL! COLLUSION IS NOT ILLEGAL! COLLUSION IS NOT ILLEGAL!"

    Impeachment or resignation is coming, folks....

    Rational people have been saying all along, "What collusions have been proven so far"?
    There is no impeachment coming, jesus.

    Platform plank altered. Money laundering case "quietly" settled. That's just what we know.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,024
    But then again there's dear old Jared, dear boy. And his 666 5th avenue boondoggle.

    Pass the Pizza please.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    But then again there's dear old Jared, dear boy. And his 666 5th avenue boondoggle.

    Pass the Pizza please.
    And an oppo research guy in Chicago that commits suicide right after being interviewed by the press about his work on the campaign.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-peter-smith-death-met-0713-20170713-story.html
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    beside the hooker piss tape to hold over trumps head, any other theories why Putin Russia supported Trump over Hilliary?
  • Well because Trump is gonna make America great again and who doesn't want that?
    Also he is in debt to the Russians for millions and millions of dollars as no one else will lend him money to help with all his failed businesses.

  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,024
    JC29856 said:
    beside the hooker piss tape to hold over trumps head, any other theories why Putin Russia supported Trump over Hilliary?
    Money laundering Russian mob and oligarchs ill gotten gains via real estate investments in violation of US law and lifting of sanctions, including investment in Russian energy sector.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    JC29856 said:
    beside the hooker piss tape to hold over trumps head, any other theories why Putin Russia supported Trump over Hilliary?
    Because nationalists support reduction of support for our western allies.  Putin would like nothing more than to reduce the effectiveness of NATO, eliminate sanctions related to his illegal occupation of the Ukraine, eliminate the Magnitzky Act, and also he despises HRC because he blames Obama State for fomenting an anti-Putin uprising in 2012. 

    Was this a serious question or one that was written by PJFAn?
  • ^^^
    That was funny.

  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    beside the hooker piss tape to hold over trumps head, any other theories why Putin Russia supported Trump over Hilliary?
    Because nationalists support reduction of support for our western allies.  Putin would like nothing more than to reduce the effectiveness of NATO, eliminate sanctions related to his illegal occupation of the Ukraine, eliminate the Magnitzky Act, and also he despises HRC because he blames Obama State for fomenting an anti-Putin uprising in 2012. 

    Was this a serious question or one that was written by PJFAn?
    serious question, appreciate the answers.
    can you think of anywhere else on the planet where there is "illegal occupation" that US UN and NATO are fiercely opposed to?
    are oligarchs limited to the Russian borders or are there oligarchs in Saudi Arabia, US and China?

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    beside the hooker piss tape to hold over trumps head, any other theories why Putin Russia supported Trump over Hilliary?
    Because nationalists support reduction of support for our western allies.  Putin would like nothing more than to reduce the effectiveness of NATO, eliminate sanctions related to his illegal occupation of the Ukraine, eliminate the Magnitzky Act, and also he despises HRC because he blames Obama State for fomenting an anti-Putin uprising in 2012. 

    Was this a serious question or one that was written by PJFAn?
    serious question, appreciate the answers.
    can you think of anywhere else on the planet where there is "illegal occupation" that US UN and NATO are fiercely opposed to?
    are oligarchs limited to the Russian borders or are there oligarchs in Saudi Arabia, US and China?

    https://youtu.be/kvqYnPwux3s
    None other from whence my father emigrated.  

    But what's your point?  You asked why Putin would prefer Trump.  These are the reasons.  Plus...here's what we don't know.  What came first.. Was Trump inclined to support Putin regardless, or was the support Trump's end of the bargain for the deal he made with Putin's contact?  Remember... Trump is a businessman, therefore everything is a transaction.  He is obsessed with who got the better deal.  He brought that up with Germany, S. Korea, NATO, etc.  It's all about who got a better deal.  
    If I had to guess, his support in the fall was part of Trump's end of the bargain.  
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,767
    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    beside the hooker piss tape to hold over trumps head, any other theories why Putin Russia supported Trump over Hilliary?
    Because nationalists support reduction of support for our western allies.  Putin would like nothing more than to reduce the effectiveness of NATO, eliminate sanctions related to his illegal occupation of the Ukraine, eliminate the Magnitzky Act, and also he despises HRC because he blames Obama State for fomenting an anti-Putin uprising in 2012. 

    Was this a serious question or one that was written by PJFAn?
    Wait a minute.....pjfan and jc aren't  the same person? :dizzy:
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,024
    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    beside the hooker piss tape to hold over trumps head, any other theories why Putin Russia supported Trump over Hilliary?
    Because nationalists support reduction of support for our western allies.  Putin would like nothing more than to reduce the effectiveness of NATO, eliminate sanctions related to his illegal occupation of the Ukraine, eliminate the Magnitzky Act, and also he despises HRC because he blames Obama State for fomenting an anti-Putin uprising in 2012. 

    Was this a serious question or one that was written by PJFAn?
    Wait a minute.....pjfan and jc aren't  the same person? :dizzy:
    Have you ever seen both of them at the same show at the same time? Precisely.
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  • WhatYouTaughtMeWhatYouTaughtMe Posts: 4,957
    edited July 2017
    They really will throw out any bullshit to try and explain it  all away. Hilarious.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-idUSKBN1A10Q9


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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    They really will throw out any bullshit to try and explain it  all away. Hilarious.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-idUSKBN1A10Q9


    this is what the statement was from usss.
     "Donald Trump, Jr. was not a protectee of the USSS in June, 2016. Thus we would not have screened anyone he was meeting with at that time," 
    It ends any questions about if Trump himself attended, "the 8th person" and it raised the question did the usss screen trump tower visitors?
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,525
    JC29856 said:
    They really will throw out any bullshit to try and explain it  all away. Hilarious.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-idUSKBN1A10Q9


    this is what the statement was from usss.
     "Donald Trump, Jr. was not a protectee of the USSS in June, 2016. Thus we would not have screened anyone he was meeting with at that time," 
    It ends any questions about if Trump himself attended, "the 8th person" and it raised the question did the usss screen trump tower visitors?
    Who have asked the question if Trump attended? That hasn't been up for any serious discussion? Not something I've seen atleast.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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