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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    He was waving a gun. SOP is to open fire.
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    http://headdownnews.com/news/student-knife-shot-campus-pd-reno-high-school/
    So about the narrative that a white person waving a knife around would not be shot...
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    PJPOWER said:

    http://headdownnews.com/news/student-knife-shot-campus-pd-reno-high-school/
    So about the narrative that a white person waving a knife around would not be shot...

    Never shot him in the head. Doesn't count.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,905
    I'm not sure what the argument is, other than white dude is alive and black dude is dead....
    Is the argument here that the pizza-dude should have been shot, or the knife-dude should not have been and instead allowed to keep stabbing people? In your view, where did the cops go wrong? Shooting someone stabbing people, or not shooting someone with a gun?
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited December 2016
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    PJPOWER said:

    http://headdownnews.com/news/student-knife-shot-campus-pd-reno-high-school/
    So about the narrative that a white person waving a knife around would not be shot...

    Never shot him in the head. Doesn't count.
    lol, I know, right!?!? His white privilege must have deflected the bullet
    Post edited by PJPOWER on
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,905
    PJPOWER said:

    http://headdownnews.com/news/student-knife-shot-campus-pd-reno-high-school/
    So about the narrative that a white person waving a knife around would not be shot...

    Yes, but in your article you clearly missed that the student was wearing a shirt with a European flag logo on it. Italy I think? Which clearly makes him open game for police.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    PJPOWER said:

    http://headdownnews.com/news/student-knife-shot-campus-pd-reno-high-school/
    So about the narrative that a white person waving a knife around would not be shot...

    Did you watch the video and notice that instead of running and hiding, all the students just formed a circle and started recording with their phones? Fucking weird and creepy, the new generation is.
    Be Excellent To Each Other
    Party On, Dudes!
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,618
    Jason P said:

    PJPOWER said:

    http://headdownnews.com/news/student-knife-shot-campus-pd-reno-high-school/
    So about the narrative that a white person waving a knife around would not be shot...

    Did you watch the video and notice that instead of running and hiding, all the students just formed a circle and started recording with their phones? Fucking weird and creepy, the new generation is.
    Or maybe they didn't perceive him as much of a threat.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,618
    edited December 2016
    mace1229 said:

    I'm not sure what the argument is, other than white dude is alive and black dude is dead....
    Is the argument here that the pizza-dude should have been shot, or the knife-dude should not have been and instead allowed to keep stabbing people? In your view, where did the cops go wrong? Shooting someone stabbing people, or not shooting someone with a gun?

    These discussions go sideways often because people have a hard time talking about race and racism.
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited December 2016
    Jason P said:

    PJPOWER said:

    http://headdownnews.com/news/student-knife-shot-campus-pd-reno-high-school/
    So about the narrative that a white person waving a knife around would not be shot...

    Did you watch the video and notice that instead of running and hiding, all the students just formed a circle and started recording with their phones? Fucking weird and creepy, the new generation is.
    Everyone wants to be famous. It is actually pretty creepy. Isn't people finding entertainment in the misery of others one of the signs of societal collapse? Akin to the gladiators of Rome?
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Go Beavers said:

    mace1229 said:

    I'm not sure what the argument is, other than white dude is alive and black dude is dead....
    Is the argument here that the pizza-dude should have been shot, or the knife-dude should not have been and instead allowed to keep stabbing people? In your view, where did the cops go wrong? Shooting someone stabbing people, or not shooting someone with a gun?

    These discussions go sideways often because people have a hard time talking about race and racism.
    These discussions also go sideways when one tries to interject race when it likely wasn't the relevant or deciding factor in the outcome as CM did on the previous page.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Go Beavers said:

    mace1229 said:

    I'm not sure what the argument is, other than white dude is alive and black dude is dead....
    Is the argument here that the pizza-dude should have been shot, or the knife-dude should not have been and instead allowed to keep stabbing people? In your view, where did the cops go wrong? Shooting someone stabbing people, or not shooting someone with a gun?

    These discussions go sideways often because people have a hard time talking about race and racism.
    And sometimes because people look to plant their flag where it has no relevance.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,618
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Go Beavers said:

    mace1229 said:

    I'm not sure what the argument is, other than white dude is alive and black dude is dead....
    Is the argument here that the pizza-dude should have been shot, or the knife-dude should not have been and instead allowed to keep stabbing people? In your view, where did the cops go wrong? Shooting someone stabbing people, or not shooting someone with a gun?

    These discussions go sideways often because people have a hard time talking about race and racism.
    And sometimes because people look to plant their flag where it has no relevance.
    Race is always relevant in every interaction. Sometimes less, sometimes more relevant, but it's always there. Moreso in high stress interactions, too.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,618
    PJPOWER said:

    Jason P said:

    PJPOWER said:

    http://headdownnews.com/news/student-knife-shot-campus-pd-reno-high-school/
    So about the narrative that a white person waving a knife around would not be shot...

    Did you watch the video and notice that instead of running and hiding, all the students just formed a circle and started recording with their phones? Fucking weird and creepy, the new generation is.
    Everyone wants to be famous. It is actually pretty creepy. Isn't people finding entertainment in the misery of others one of the signs of societal collapse? Akin to the gladiators of Rome?
    People have always gathered around someone acting up, especially in school.
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    jeffbr said:

    Go Beavers said:

    mace1229 said:

    I'm not sure what the argument is, other than white dude is alive and black dude is dead....
    Is the argument here that the pizza-dude should have been shot, or the knife-dude should not have been and instead allowed to keep stabbing people? In your view, where did the cops go wrong? Shooting someone stabbing people, or not shooting someone with a gun?

    These discussions go sideways often because people have a hard time talking about race and racism.
    These discussions also go sideways when one tries to interject race when it likely wasn't the relevant or deciding factor in the outcome as CM did on the previous page.
    Wow, a lot of police apologists in here. Black man gets shot & killed by police, no problems there - he had it coming. White man walks out of a similar situation alive, time and time again, suddenly we need to examine every detail and try to justify it. Race is part of it, yes. So is our militarized police force. And excessive gun culture. There's a lot of factors that go into every one of these incidents that contributes to the outcome, which somehow inevitably leads to the reoccurring headline: "black man shot by police officer, again".

    One question might be: why are the police killing so many black men?
    A better question might be: why are we letting the police kill so many people at all?

    When we live in a world where the rules of engagement are more strict for a Marine in Afghanistan, then they are for a cop in here in America, that's a big problem.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    I think everyone has acknowledged the racial bias evident in policing work.

    Its just funny that some try so hard to make race an issue when it isn't. Take color of skin out of the equation: one idiot is driving into people and slashing at them with a knife and being uncooperative... another idiot has a gun, released a round and shits his pants when the cops come being completely cooperative.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    CM189191 said:

    jeffbr said:

    Go Beavers said:

    mace1229 said:

    I'm not sure what the argument is, other than white dude is alive and black dude is dead....
    Is the argument here that the pizza-dude should have been shot, or the knife-dude should not have been and instead allowed to keep stabbing people? In your view, where did the cops go wrong? Shooting someone stabbing people, or not shooting someone with a gun?

    These discussions go sideways often because people have a hard time talking about race and racism.
    These discussions also go sideways when one tries to interject race when it likely wasn't the relevant or deciding factor in the outcome as CM did on the previous page.
    Wow, a lot of police apologists in here. Black man gets shot & killed by police, no problems there - he had it coming. White man walks out of a similar situation alive, time and time again, suddenly we need to examine every detail and try to justify it. Race is part of it, yes. So is our militarized police force. And excessive gun culture. There's a lot of factors that go into every one of these incidents that contributes to the outcome, which somehow inevitably leads to the reoccurring headline: "black man shot by police officer, again".

    One question might be: why are the police killing so many black men?
    A better question might be: why are we letting the police kill so many people at all?

    When we live in a world where the rules of engagement are more strict for a Marine in Afghanistan, then they are for a cop in here in America, that's a big problem.
    Sure, I'm an apologist. I'm an apologist for a cop who properly did his job and likely saved lives. You made an indefensible comparison between to very dissimilar events and got called on it. The cop who shot the mass attacker in Ohio did his job, and saved lives. In the process he had to kill a deranged dude. The community is better off, and the cop should be praised for his quick action. That doesn't mean all shootings by cops should be rewarded, and cops should be held to a very high standard. But you picked the wrong cart to hitch your horse to with this one. Just like the Michael Brown BLM apologists did. It doesn't help your case. There are far better examples of police abuse out there that would be relevant and important to discuss. By lumping this situation into your big bucket of evil white cops killing poor defenseless black men you devalue your position.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    jeffbr said:

    CM189191 said:

    jeffbr said:

    Go Beavers said:

    mace1229 said:

    I'm not sure what the argument is, other than white dude is alive and black dude is dead....
    Is the argument here that the pizza-dude should have been shot, or the knife-dude should not have been and instead allowed to keep stabbing people? In your view, where did the cops go wrong? Shooting someone stabbing people, or not shooting someone with a gun?

    These discussions go sideways often because people have a hard time talking about race and racism.
    These discussions also go sideways when one tries to interject race when it likely wasn't the relevant or deciding factor in the outcome as CM did on the previous page.
    Wow, a lot of police apologists in here. Black man gets shot & killed by police, no problems there - he had it coming. White man walks out of a similar situation alive, time and time again, suddenly we need to examine every detail and try to justify it. Race is part of it, yes. So is our militarized police force. And excessive gun culture. There's a lot of factors that go into every one of these incidents that contributes to the outcome, which somehow inevitably leads to the reoccurring headline: "black man shot by police officer, again".

    One question might be: why are the police killing so many black men?
    A better question might be: why are we letting the police kill so many people at all?

    When we live in a world where the rules of engagement are more strict for a Marine in Afghanistan, then they are for a cop in here in America, that's a big problem.
    Sure, I'm an apologist. I'm an apologist for a cop who properly did his job and likely saved lives. You made an indefensible comparison between to very dissimilar events and got called on it. The cop who shot the mass attacker in Ohio did his job, and saved lives. In the process he had to kill a deranged dude. The community is better off, and the cop should be praised for his quick action. That doesn't mean all shootings by cops should be rewarded, and cops should be held to a very high standard. But you picked the wrong cart to hitch your horse to with this one. Just like the Michael Brown BLM apologists did. It doesn't help your case. There are far better examples of police abuse out there that would be relevant and important to discuss. By lumping this situation into your big bucket of evil white cops killing poor defenseless black men you devalue your position.
    Couldn't have said it better myself! Great post!
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    jeffbr said:

    CM189191 said:

    jeffbr said:

    Go Beavers said:

    mace1229 said:

    I'm not sure what the argument is, other than white dude is alive and black dude is dead....
    Is the argument here that the pizza-dude should have been shot, or the knife-dude should not have been and instead allowed to keep stabbing people? In your view, where did the cops go wrong? Shooting someone stabbing people, or not shooting someone with a gun?

    These discussions go sideways often because people have a hard time talking about race and racism.
    These discussions also go sideways when one tries to interject race when it likely wasn't the relevant or deciding factor in the outcome as CM did on the previous page.
    Wow, a lot of police apologists in here. Black man gets shot & killed by police, no problems there - he had it coming. White man walks out of a similar situation alive, time and time again, suddenly we need to examine every detail and try to justify it. Race is part of it, yes. So is our militarized police force. And excessive gun culture. There's a lot of factors that go into every one of these incidents that contributes to the outcome, which somehow inevitably leads to the reoccurring headline: "black man shot by police officer, again".

    One question might be: why are the police killing so many black men?
    A better question might be: why are we letting the police kill so many people at all?

    When we live in a world where the rules of engagement are more strict for a Marine in Afghanistan, then they are for a cop in here in America, that's a big problem.
    Sure, I'm an apologist. I'm an apologist for a cop who properly did his job and likely saved lives. You made an indefensible comparison between to very dissimilar events and got called on it. The cop who shot the mass attacker in Ohio did his job, and saved lives. In the process he had to kill a deranged dude. The community is better off, and the cop should be praised for his quick action. That doesn't mean all shootings by cops should be rewarded, and cops should be held to a very high standard. But you picked the wrong cart to hitch your horse to with this one. Just like the Michael Brown BLM apologists did. It doesn't help your case. There are far better examples of police abuse out there that would be relevant and important to discuss. By lumping this situation into your big bucket of evil white cops killing poor defenseless black men you devalue your position.
    Regardless of merit... cops will never win with some people. Ironic really... telling others they don't see the problem for what it really is while at the same time losing objectivity in the most clear cut cases.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,905
    edited December 2016
    CM189191 said:

    jeffbr said:

    Go Beavers said:

    mace1229 said:

    I'm not sure what the argument is, other than white dude is alive and black dude is dead....
    Is the argument here that the pizza-dude should have been shot, or the knife-dude should not have been and instead allowed to keep stabbing people? In your view, where did the cops go wrong? Shooting someone stabbing people, or not shooting someone with a gun?

    These discussions go sideways often because people have a hard time talking about race and racism.
    These discussions also go sideways when one tries to interject race when it likely wasn't the relevant or deciding factor in the outcome as CM did on the previous page.
    Wow, a lot of police apologists in here. Black man gets shot & killed by police, no problems there - he had it coming. White man walks out of a similar situation alive, time and time again, suddenly we need to examine every detail and try to justify it. Race is part of it, yes. So is our militarized police force. And excessive gun culture. There's a lot of factors that go into every one of these incidents that contributes to the outcome, which somehow inevitably leads to the reoccurring headline: "black man shot by police officer, again".

    One question might be: why are the police killing so many black men?
    A better question might be: why are we letting the police kill so many people at all?

    When we live in a world where the rules of engagement are more strict for a Marine in Afghanistan, then they are for a cop in here in America, that's a big problem.
    You seem to think there was a bias between the 2 scenarios brought up.
    So I'll ask again. Do you think the cops should have let the guy who was actively stabbing people to continue to stab people, or should they have shot the gun with a gun who was "arrested without incident" (which usually means he was no longer shooting and waving a gun around by the time police arrived)? Which one was not right?
    Post edited by mace1229 on

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