Ohio State attack

CM189191

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

CM189191 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

CM189191 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

CM189191 said:

Another black man summarily executed by an officer of the law. Judge and Jury be damned.

So?

What were you hoping for? Them to plea with him to calm down... take him for a coffee... maybe massage his shoulders for a while?

F**king useless prick is dead. Good.

Can someone please explain to me why this "useless prick" is still alive?
The Comet Ping Pong Gunman Answers Reporter’s Questions

What a gem this guy is:
What did he think when he discovered there were no children at the pizzeria?
“The intel on this wasn’t 100 percent,” he said. However, he refused to dismiss outright the claims in the online articles, conceding only that there were no children “inside that dwelling.”

Well for one... he never killed anyone.

Abdul Razak Ali Artan didn't kill anyone either

Are we talking about the same guy? Didn't he main a bunch of people with intent?

Didn't this simple bastard just kinda talk tuff?

Are we talking about the same guy?
I believe so:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Ohio_State_University_attack

Didn't he main a bunch of people with intent?
Eleven of the injured were treated at area hospitals. None of the injuries were considered life-threatening.

Didn't this simple bastard just kinda talk tuff?
Not really: The suspect entered the location and pointed a firearm in the direction of the victim who is an employee of the restaurant. The victim was able to flee and notify police. The suspect proceeded to discharge the rifle inside of the establishment. Members of the Second District responded and arrested the suspect without incident. Two firearms were recovered inside the location. An additional weapon was recovered from the suspect’s vehicle.

jeffbr

CM189191 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

CM189191 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

CM189191 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

CM189191 said:

Another black man summarily executed by an officer of the law. Judge and Jury be damned.

So?

What were you hoping for? Them to plea with him to calm down... take him for a coffee... maybe massage his shoulders for a while?

F**king useless prick is dead. Good.

Can someone please explain to me why this "useless prick" is still alive?
The Comet Ping Pong Gunman Answers Reporter’s Questions

What a gem this guy is:
What did he think when he discovered there were no children at the pizzeria?
“The intel on this wasn’t 100 percent,” he said. However, he refused to dismiss outright the claims in the online articles, conceding only that there were no children “inside that dwelling.”

Well for one... he never killed anyone.

Abdul Razak Ali Artan didn't kill anyone either

Are we talking about the same guy? Didn't he main a bunch of people with intent?

Didn't this simple bastard just kinda talk tuff?

Are we talking about the same guy?
I believe so:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Ohio_State_University_attack

Didn't he main a bunch of people with intent?
Eleven of the injured were treated at area hospitals. None of the injuries were considered life-threatening.

Didn't this simple bastard just kinda talk tuff?
Not really: The suspect entered the location and pointed a firearm in the direction of the victim who is an employee of the restaurant. The victim was able to flee and notify police. The suspect proceeded to discharge the rifle inside of the establishment. Members of the Second District responded and arrested the suspect without incident. Two firearms were recovered inside the location. An additional weapon was recovered from the suspect’s vehicle.

That's the big difference. The simple bastard didn't fire AT anyone, and complied and surrendered when the police arrived. Razak Ali Artan was in the process of a mass assault with the potential of killing many people. He hit people with his vehicle, jumped out and started slashing. Thankfully the cop was able to put this guy down before he could further harm anyone or kill anyone.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Ridiculous that one would have to point out the obvious different circumstances.

Jason P

The pizza idiot came out slowly with his hands up when police arrived.

The ohio state idiot was running around with a butcher knife trying to stab people.

CM189191

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Ridiculous that one would have to point out the obvious different circumstances.

...tell me about it...

Thirty Bills Unpaid

CM189191 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Ridiculous that one would have to point out the obvious different circumstances.

...tell me about it...

You're out to lunch on this one.

I know you're dying to make this about race... but it's not. See JP's post above yours for the items you've failed to take into account.

CM189191

Jason P said:

The pizza idiot came out slowly with his hands up when police arrived.

The ohio state idiot was running around with a butcher knife trying to stab people.

You're telling me he had his hands up, and they didn't shoot him? That doesn't sound like SOP. Why was he even given the opportunity to surrender himself?

Jason P

The lunacy of the pizzagate story boggles my mind. That guy needs to be sent to Florida. Florida is where we need to build the wall.

PJPOWER

CM189191 said:

Jason P said:

The pizza idiot came out slowly with his hands up when police arrived.

The ohio state idiot was running around with a butcher knife trying to stab people.

You're telling me he had his hands up, and they didn't shoot him? That doesn't sound like SOP. Why was he even given the opportunity to surrender himself?

Was he actively trying to hurt people when the police arrived? You are really reaching here...

CM189191

Jason P said:

The lunacy of the pizzagate story boggles my mind. That guy needs to be sent to Florida. Florida is where we need to build the wall.

or a moat

CM189191

PJPOWER said:

CM189191 said:

Jason P said:

The pizza idiot came out slowly with his hands up when police arrived.

The ohio state idiot was running around with a butcher knife trying to stab people.

You're telling me he had his hands up, and they didn't shoot him? That doesn't sound like SOP. Why was he even given the opportunity to surrender himself?

Was he actively trying to hurt people when the police arrived? You are really reaching here...

Since when did this matter?

Lunatic walked into a family establishment in the middle of the afternoon, pointed a gun at an employee, and fired off a round. I thought that was grounds for summary execution on the spot in this country?

Jason P

CM189191 said:

Jason P said:

The pizza idiot came out slowly with his hands up when police arrived.

The ohio state idiot was running around with a butcher knife trying to stab people.

You're telling me he had his hands up, and they didn't shoot him? That doesn't sound like SOP. Why was he even given the opportunity to surrender himself?

It's because he is white. There. He gave the wink and secret hand gesture and then he and the police went out and had a steak dinner together before they booked him in the secret cell hidden in the nearest Trump Tower.

In fact, I'm not even sure we the cops didn't let him stab a patron with a dinner fork before they went out to dinner ...

PJPOWER

CM189191 said:

PJPOWER said:

CM189191 said:

Jason P said:

The pizza idiot came out slowly with his hands up when police arrived.

The ohio state idiot was running around with a butcher knife trying to stab people.

You're telling me he had his hands up, and they didn't shoot him? That doesn't sound like SOP. Why was he even given the opportunity to surrender himself?

Was he actively trying to hurt people when the police arrived? You are really reaching here...

Since when did this matter?

Lunatic walked into a family establishment in the middle of the afternoon, pointed a gun at an employee, and fired off a round. I thought that was grounds for summary execution on the spot in this country?

The mainstream media has lead you to believe that.

Go Beavers

PJPOWER said:

CM189191 said:

Jason P said:

The pizza idiot came out slowly with his hands up when police arrived.

The ohio state idiot was running around with a butcher knife trying to stab people.

You're telling me he had his hands up, and they didn't shoot him? That doesn't sound like SOP. Why was he even given the opportunity to surrender himself?

Was he actively trying to hurt people when the police arrived? You are really reaching here...

Race is always a factor to consider. The hypothetical to ask yourself is that would the pizza guy situation have been different if he was black.

jeffbr

Go Beavers said:

PJPOWER said:

CM189191 said:

Jason P said:

The pizza idiot came out slowly with his hands up when police arrived.

The ohio state idiot was running around with a butcher knife trying to stab people.

You're telling me he had his hands up, and they didn't shoot him? That doesn't sound like SOP. Why was he even given the opportunity to surrender himself?

Was he actively trying to hurt people when the police arrived? You are really reaching here...

Race is always a factor to consider. The hypothetical to ask yourself is that would the pizza guy situation have been different if he was black.

Sure. We can speculate and hypothesize. Based on what we actually know we know that both were committing crimes, that one was actively committing violence against others, while the other was threatening violence, and we know that one was in the middle of slashing and stabbing people as the cops arrived, while the other immediately complied and surrendered. It is not unexpected that the outcomes of those incidents were different since the circumstances were different.

But if we're doing hypotheticals, then sure, in the pizza case, if George Zimmerman was the cop and Trayvon Martin was the dude with the gun in the pizza shop, then I'm betting the cop shoots the perp.

Go Beavers

jeffbr said:

Go Beavers said:

PJPOWER said:

CM189191 said:

Jason P said:

The pizza idiot came out slowly with his hands up when police arrived.

The ohio state idiot was running around with a butcher knife trying to stab people.

You're telling me he had his hands up, and they didn't shoot him? That doesn't sound like SOP. Why was he even given the opportunity to surrender himself?

Was he actively trying to hurt people when the police arrived? You are really reaching here...

Race is always a factor to consider. The hypothetical to ask yourself is that would the pizza guy situation have been different if he was black.

Sure. We can speculate and hypothesize. Based on what we actually know we know that both were committing crimes, that one was actively committing violence against others, while the other was threatening violence, and we know that one was in the middle of slashing and stabbing people as the cops arrived, while the other immediately complied and surrendered. It is not unexpected that the outcomes of those incidents were different since the circumstances were different.

But if we're doing hypotheticals, then sure, in the pizza case, if George Zimmerman was the cop and Trayvon Martin was the dude with the gun in the pizza shop, then I'm betting the cop shoots the perp.

You don't have to use specific people though. If the pizza guy was black, there would've been a higher likelihood that cops would've shot him.

jeffbr

Go Beavers said:

jeffbr said:

Go Beavers said:

PJPOWER said:

CM189191 said:

Jason P said:

The pizza idiot came out slowly with his hands up when police arrived.

The ohio state idiot was running around with a butcher knife trying to stab people.

You're telling me he had his hands up, and they didn't shoot him? That doesn't sound like SOP. Why was he even given the opportunity to surrender himself?

Was he actively trying to hurt people when the police arrived? You are really reaching here...

Race is always a factor to consider. The hypothetical to ask yourself is that would the pizza guy situation have been different if he was black.

Sure. We can speculate and hypothesize. Based on what we actually know we know that both were committing crimes, that one was actively committing violence against others, while the other was threatening violence, and we know that one was in the middle of slashing and stabbing people as the cops arrived, while the other immediately complied and surrendered. It is not unexpected that the outcomes of those incidents were different since the circumstances were different.

But if we're doing hypotheticals, then sure, in the pizza case, if George Zimmerman was the cop and Trayvon Martin was the dude with the gun in the pizza shop, then I'm betting the cop shoots the perp.

You don't have to use specific people though. If the pizza guy was black, there would've been a higher likelihood that cops would've shot him.

Even so your question was "would it have been different?" You just pointed to a higher likelihood of getting shot, but that doesn't mean it would have been different. This tangent started because of some sort of false equivalency proffered by CM. He based the dissimilar outcomes solely on race completely ignoring the myriad actual, important differences between the two cases.

PJ_Soul

unsung said:

CM189191 said:

unsung said:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/28/us/ohio-state-university-active-shooter/index.html

Not surprised it hasn't been mentioned but a good guy with a gun stopped a mass assault today.

Must have been another one of those "peaceful" somali muslims again.

What a peaceful Somalian-American might look like:
Halima Aden Becomes First Miss Minnesota Contestant To Compete In Hijab And Burkini

How is she going to do the bikini contest?

Or is that it?

That's it. It's a burkini, as it says in the link. Personally, I find this much more beautiful than some lady with overdone hair in a bikini. But really, any woman who would be in a contest like this should be ashamed of herself.

CM189191

Jason P said:

CM189191 said:

Jason P said:

The pizza idiot came out slowly with his hands up when police arrived.

The ohio state idiot was running around with a butcher knife trying to stab people.

You're telling me he had his hands up, and they didn't shoot him? That doesn't sound like SOP. Why was he even given the opportunity to surrender himself?

It's because he is white. There. He gave the wink and secret hand gesture and then he and the police went out and had a steak dinner together before they booked him in the secret cell hidden in the nearest Trump Tower.

In fact, I'm not even sure we the cops didn't let him stab a patron with a dinner fork before they went out to dinner ...

Meanwhile in WV: Military trained white police officer could lose his job for not shooting a black man

The gun was empty and the man was trying to commit "suicide by cop" — Officer Mader didn't shoot. Police get trained on de-escalation, but in that moment Mader was leaning more on training from the Marine Corps and experience in Afghanistan. That knowledge can be a key difference between police officers with military backgrounds and those without. The Marines had taught him to wait for clear hostile intent before opening fire, something he didn't see from Williams. "For me, it wasn't enough to kind of take someone's life because they're holding a gun that's not pointed at me," Mader said.

In Afghanistan, the rules of engagement sometimes were stricter than use-of-force rules for civilian police in America.

But then Mader's backup arrived. All they knew is that the dispatcher said there was a weapon. Mader remembers that Williams walked toward them as they drove up and got out of their cars. "Their weapons are drawn, and they're screaming at him to drop the gun," Mader said. "At that point he starts waving the gun, back and forth between us." One of the officers fired four shots, and a bullet hit Williams in the side of the head, leaving him on the pavement.

PJPOWER

CM189191 said:

Jason P said:

CM189191 said:

Jason P said:

The pizza idiot came out slowly with his hands up when police arrived.

The ohio state idiot was running around with a butcher knife trying to stab people.

You're telling me he had his hands up, and they didn't shoot him? That doesn't sound like SOP. Why was he even given the opportunity to surrender himself?

It's because he is white. There. He gave the wink and secret hand gesture and then he and the police went out and had a steak dinner together before they booked him in the secret cell hidden in the nearest Trump Tower.

In fact, I'm not even sure we the cops didn't let him stab a patron with a dinner fork before they went out to dinner ...

Meanwhile in WV: Military trained white police officer could lose his job for not shooting a black man

The gun was empty and the man was trying to commit "suicide by cop" — Officer Mader didn't shoot. Police get trained on de-escalation, but in that moment Mader was leaning more on training from the Marine Corps and experience in Afghanistan. That knowledge can be a key difference between police officers with military backgrounds and those without. The Marines had taught him to wait for clear hostile intent before opening fire, something he didn't see from Williams. "For me, it wasn't enough to kind of take someone's life because they're holding a gun that's not pointed at me," Mader said.

In Afghanistan, the rules of engagement sometimes were stricter than use-of-force rules for civilian police in America.

But then Mader's backup arrived. All they knew is that the dispatcher said there was a weapon. Mader remembers that Williams walked toward them as they drove up and got out of their cars. "Their weapons are drawn, and they're screaming at him to drop the gun," Mader said. "At that point he starts waving the gun, back and forth between us." One of the officers fired four shots, and a bullet hit Williams in the side of the head, leaving him on the pavement.

Me thinks there may possibly be more to this story.
From the article: "But in Weirton, officials said it wasn't just Mader's failure to shoot that got him fired. City Manager Travis Blosser said other reasons included "illegal searches in a vehicle, to the use of profanity with citizens and then also contaminating a crime scene of a potential homicide investigation."