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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited October 2016

    tonifig8 said:

    Excellent work, JC!

    The excuses by the Clintonites are amazing. They apparently speak for Clinton. We haven't heard shit from that crook nor the White House, other then blaming Russia and bring up Trump's sorry ass. These sheep don't care that their queen is dodging and avoiding these hard facts. In fact when she went into hiding, avoiding the press for 9+months (and she's back at it again), they praised her and encouraged her for doing so.....WTF is wrong with these people!?!?! It's amazing the level of brainwash some of these folks have.
    Instead they make excuses for her, excuse after excuse after excuse...rather then somehow someway trying to improve our country's. democracy. Why? Because they put a politician above our country. Dumb it down.

    keep up the excellent work, JC..... You're doing the media's work.

    are you wearing a superman costume right now?
    Is that a hint? Are you trying to see what I'm wearing?
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    jeffbr said:

    CM189191 said:

    JC29856 said:

    CM189191 said:

    Free said:

    CM189191 said:

    Free said:

    my2hands said:

    Find a new hobby... you seem obsessed... I know we don't know each other, but I'm 100% serious

    Guess what, if you don't like the thread, don't read.
    I think my2hands got a point. You're going to be terribly depressed when nothing comes of these emails. It's not a healthy obsession.
    Attempting to control what people post and ridicule, is quite telling of a person. Enjoy snapchat.
    ...right...anyhow...
    I keep looking at these 'scandalous' emails, but there's nothing there. No substance, just the inner workings of a political machine. It is starting sound like the boy who cried wolf.
    can you refer to who and where anyone but you classified them as "scandalous"? i dont think wiki or assange ever used the term.
    If not scandalous, disqualifying, incriminating, corrupt, etc,.what is it wikileaks or assange is trying to prove? Because whatever it is, I seem to be missing out on the controversy.
    If corruption and/or blurring of lines between press, government and party politics aren't interesting or scandalous, then you're right, there's nothing here for you. You seem to be comfortable with the status quo corruption that is pervasive in national politics. Nothing here has shocked me so far, but I do find it interesting and informative. I wish the 5th estate could keep the 4th estate in check a little, but we've apparently accepted and are comfortable with the media and national politicians collaborating and assisting one another. The politicians get more power, and the media gets the scoops which sells more advertising. And we get two of the most disliked candidates in history pitted against one another. Yeehaw.
    KABOOM!!!
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    jeffbr said:

    CM189191 said:

    JC29856 said:

    CM189191 said:

    Free said:

    CM189191 said:

    Free said:

    my2hands said:

    Find a new hobby... you seem obsessed... I know we don't know each other, but I'm 100% serious

    Guess what, if you don't like the thread, don't read.
    I think my2hands got a point. You're going to be terribly depressed when nothing comes of these emails. It's not a healthy obsession.
    Attempting to control what people post and ridicule, is quite telling of a person. Enjoy snapchat.
    ...right...anyhow...
    I keep looking at these 'scandalous' emails, but there's nothing there. No substance, just the inner workings of a political machine. It is starting sound like the boy who cried wolf.
    can you refer to who and where anyone but you classified them as "scandalous"? i dont think wiki or assange ever used the term.
    If not scandalous, disqualifying, incriminating, corrupt, etc,.what is it wikileaks or assange is trying to prove? Because whatever it is, I seem to be missing out on the controversy.
    If corruption and/or blurring of lines between press, government and party politics aren't interesting or scandalous, then you're right, there's nothing here for you. You seem to be comfortable with the status quo corruption that is pervasive in national politics. Nothing here has shocked me so far, but I do find it interesting and informative. I wish the 5th estate could keep the 4th estate in check a little, but we've apparently accepted and are comfortable with the media and national politicians collaborating and assisting one another. The politicians get more power, and the media gets the scoops which sells more advertising. And we get two of the most disliked candidates in history pitted against one another. Yeehaw.
    :clap:
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,661
    If "blurring of lines between press, government and party politics" were anything new, then it would be scandalous. Something that has been going on for years upon years and that everyone already knew about is not, by definition, scandalous. It's not even surprising. If you are upset that it happens, then that's fine obviously, and I'm not saying the fact this this goes on shouldn't be discussed. But just qualify it properly so people can relate. What you're doing right now is telling everyone what we already knew went on for as long as we can remember and then acting self-righteous when we don't all react with shock and as though it means Clinton should be hung up to dry, and this can put a damper on people wanting the issue at all. Just wondering.... where have you been all your life? Did you just start paying attention to politics this year?
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    PJ_Soul said:

    If "blurring of lines between press, government and party politics" were anything new, then it would be scandalous. Something that has been going on for years upon years and that everyone already knew about is not, by definition, scandalous. It's not even surprising. If you are upset that it happens, then that's fine obviously, and I'm not saying the fact this this goes on shouldn't be discussed. But just qualify it properly so people can relate. What you're doing right now is telling everyone what we already knew went on for as long as we can remember and then acting self-righteous when we don't all react with shock and as though it means Clinton should be hung up to dry, and this can put a damper on people wanting the issue at all. Just wondering.... where have you been all your life? Did you just start paying attention to politics this year?

    Where of you been all your life, you're not even in the US. Since when are we supposed to be complacent with the way things are run in the US? and exactly how long has money and permitted to buy elections? And we should be complacent about that? we should be OK with the media being owned and controlled by government interests? I can go on...
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,363
    Free said:

    CM189191 said:

    Free said:

    CM189191 said:

    Free said:

    my2hands said:

    Find a new hobby... you seem obsessed... I know we don't know each other, but I'm 100% serious

    Guess what, if you don't like the thread, don't read.
    I think my2hands got a point. You're going to be terribly depressed when nothing comes of these emails. It's not a healthy obsession.
    Attempting to control what people post and ridicule, is quite telling of a person. Enjoy snapchat.
    ...right...anyhow...
    I keep looking at these 'scandalous' emails, but there's nothing there. No substance, just the inner workings of a political machine. It is starting sound like the boy who cried wolf.
    To any Bernie supporter it proves exactly what we thought all along, that the whole thing was rigged against him, The DNC is is just as corrupt as the GOP, and yeah, politicians are dirty and don't give a shit about the people they serve, only special interests and big money.

    But that isn't news to Clinton supporters... they tend to prefer an Orwellian society.
    Free, this thought just came to me and I'm curious to hear your response. Government members are still citizens of the United States, which means they have the right to partake in not just democracy, but also in capitalism. This is a blatant conflict of interest: just as Wall Street can not be relied upon to police itself and take moral and humanist stances over thoughts of its own bottom-line, Washington very clearly can not either. Speaking loudly about the corruption brings attention to this fact, but how do we mobilize citizens to have government return to speaking for the greatest collective quality of life, rather than the greatest collective dollars in their own pockets, without infringing on their constitutional rights to profiting personally? And without organized mobilization, what end do you see for spending such energy on drawing attention to corruption?
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,661
    Free said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    If "blurring of lines between press, government and party politics" were anything new, then it would be scandalous. Something that has been going on for years upon years and that everyone already knew about is not, by definition, scandalous. It's not even surprising. If you are upset that it happens, then that's fine obviously, and I'm not saying the fact this this goes on shouldn't be discussed. But just qualify it properly so people can relate. What you're doing right now is telling everyone what we already knew went on for as long as we can remember and then acting self-righteous when we don't all react with shock and as though it means Clinton should be hung up to dry, and this can put a damper on people wanting the issue at all. Just wondering.... where have you been all your life? Did you just start paying attention to politics this year?

    Where of you been all your life, you're not even in the US. Since when are we supposed to be complacent with the way things are run in the US? and exactly how long has money and permitted to buy elections? And we should be complacent about that? we should be OK with the media being owned and controlled by government interests? I can go on...
    I have access to all of the same information as him, so where I live is irrelevant. I didn't say anyone should be complacent or okay with anything. I actually said the opposite of that.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Now where are getting somewhere!
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,597
    jeffbr said:

    CM189191 said:

    JC29856 said:

    CM189191 said:

    Free said:

    CM189191 said:

    Free said:

    my2hands said:

    Find a new hobby... you seem obsessed... I know we don't know each other, but I'm 100% serious

    Guess what, if you don't like the thread, don't read.
    I think my2hands got a point. You're going to be terribly depressed when nothing comes of these emails. It's not a healthy obsession.
    Attempting to control what people post and ridicule, is quite telling of a person. Enjoy snapchat.
    ...right...anyhow...
    I keep looking at these 'scandalous' emails, but there's nothing there. No substance, just the inner workings of a political machine. It is starting sound like the boy who cried wolf.
    can you refer to who and where anyone but you classified them as "scandalous"? i dont think wiki or assange ever used the term.
    If not scandalous, disqualifying, incriminating, corrupt, etc,.what is it wikileaks or assange is trying to prove? Because whatever it is, I seem to be missing out on the controversy.
    If corruption and/or blurring of lines between press, government and party politics aren't interesting or scandalous, then you're right, there's nothing here for you. You seem to be comfortable with the status quo corruption that is pervasive in national politics. Nothing here has shocked me so far, but I do find it interesting and informative. I wish the 5th estate could keep the 4th estate in check a little, but we've apparently accepted and are comfortable with the media and national politicians collaborating and assisting one another. The politicians get more power, and the media gets the scoops which sells more advertising. And we get two of the most disliked candidates in history pitted against one another. Yeehaw.
    This is well said.
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  • pjalive21
    pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    edited October 2016
    Free said:

    CM189191 said:

    Free said:

    my2hands said:

    Find a new hobby... you seem obsessed... I know we don't know each other, but I'm 100% serious

    Guess what, if you don't like the thread, don't read.
    I think my2hands got a point. You're going to be terribly depressed when nothing comes of these emails. It's not a healthy obsession.
    Attempting to control what people post and ridicule, is quite telling of a person. Enjoy snapchat.
    Speaking of controlling one's thoughts and or opinions

    https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/15465

    Ben Jealous former president of NAACP backed Bernie but they werent having any of that

    I have to admit ive spent all day reading these emails and most of them at least released today are quite boring an irrelevant or very cryptic
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Not sure how some cannot see the obvious subversion of democracy of by and for the people.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,661
    JC29856 said:

    Not sure how some cannot see the obvious subversion of democracy of by and for the people.

    I do, I am just not surprised by it. That's why these emails aren't interesting to me. Old news, really. That doesn't mean I don't see what the problem is and has been for a long long time. These emails aren't going to do anything about it, right?
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Free said:

    CM189191 said:

    Free said:

    CM189191 said:

    Free said:

    my2hands said:

    Find a new hobby... you seem obsessed... I know we don't know each other, but I'm 100% serious

    Guess what, if you don't like the thread, don't read.
    I think my2hands got a point. You're going to be terribly depressed when nothing comes of these emails. It's not a healthy obsession.
    Attempting to control what people post and ridicule, is quite telling of a person. Enjoy snapchat.
    ...right...anyhow...
    I keep looking at these 'scandalous' emails, but there's nothing there. No substance, just the inner workings of a political machine. It is starting sound like the boy who cried wolf.
    To any Bernie supporter it proves exactly what we thought all along, that the whole thing was rigged against him, The DNC is is just as corrupt as the GOP, and yeah, politicians are dirty and don't give a shit about the people they serve, only special interests and big money.

    But that isn't news to Clinton supporters... they tend to prefer an Orwellian society.
    Sounds like sour grapes. Just because your guy lost, doesn't mean the system was rigged against him. Now where else have I heard that? The system is designed to win democratic elections. It appears they are going to be able to do that with the candidate that was selected.
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    benjs said:

    Free said:

    CM189191 said:

    Free said:

    CM189191 said:

    Free said:

    my2hands said:

    Find a new hobby... you seem obsessed... I know we don't know each other, but I'm 100% serious

    Guess what, if you don't like the thread, don't read.
    I think my2hands got a point. You're going to be terribly depressed when nothing comes of these emails. It's not a healthy obsession.
    Attempting to control what people post and ridicule, is quite telling of a person. Enjoy snapchat.
    ...right...anyhow...
    I keep looking at these 'scandalous' emails, but there's nothing there. No substance, just the inner workings of a political machine. It is starting sound like the boy who cried wolf.
    To any Bernie supporter it proves exactly what we thought all along, that the whole thing was rigged against him, The DNC is is just as corrupt as the GOP, and yeah, politicians are dirty and don't give a shit about the people they serve, only special interests and big money.

    But that isn't news to Clinton supporters... they tend to prefer an Orwellian society.
    Free, this thought just came to me and I'm curious to hear your response. Government members are still citizens of the United States, which means they have the right to partake in not just democracy, but also in capitalism. This is a blatant conflict of interest: just as Wall Street can not be relied upon to police itself and take moral and humanist stances over thoughts of its own bottom-line, Washington very clearly can not either. Speaking loudly about the corruption brings attention to this fact, but how do we mobilize citizens to have government return to speaking for the greatest collective quality of life, rather than the greatest collective dollars in their own pockets, without infringing on their constitutional rights to profiting personally? And without organized mobilization, what end do you see for spending such energy on drawing attention to corruption?
    benjs said:

    Free said:

    CM189191 said:

    Free said:

    CM189191 said:

    Free said:

    my2hands said:

    Find a new hobby... you seem obsessed... I know we don't know each other, but I'm 100% serious

    Guess what, if you don't like the thread, don't read.
    I think my2hands got a point. You're going to be terribly depressed when nothing comes of these emails. It's not a healthy obsession.
    Attempting to control what people post and ridicule, is quite telling of a person. Enjoy snapchat.
    ...right...anyhow...
    I keep looking at these 'scandalous' emails, but there's nothing there. No substance, just the inner workings of a political machine. It is starting sound like the boy who cried wolf.
    To any Bernie supporter it proves exactly what we thought all along, that the whole thing was rigged against him, The DNC is is just as corrupt as the GOP, and yeah, politicians are dirty and don't give a shit about the people they serve, only special interests and big money.

    But that isn't news to Clinton supporters... they tend to prefer an Orwellian society.
    Free, this thought just came to me and I'm curious to hear your response. Government members are still citizens of the United States, which means they have the right to partake in not just democracy, but also in capitalism. This is a blatant conflict of interest: just as Wall Street can not be relied upon to police itself and take moral and humanist stances over thoughts of its own bottom-line, Washington very clearly can not either. Speaking loudly about the corruption brings attention to this fact, but how do we mobilize citizens to have government return to speaking for the greatest collective quality of life, rather than the greatest collective dollars in their own pockets, without infringing on their constitutional rights to profiting personally? And without organized mobilization, what end do you see for spending such energy on drawing attention to corruption?
    Haven't we been kind of talking about this Benjs? (You and me) how did money get into politics in the first place and allow elections to be bought? It Wasn't always like this.

    I can't speak for government, but from studying the media and media marketing for so long, I remember when it was a public service. The news was not owned, it was not a part of the capitalistic America that we have become. We got facts from our news, we saw caskets on the news from the wars. That's not allowed anymore.

    To begin to answer where you're getting at, maybe start with how corporations became people. Have you seen the documentary "the corporation?" I saw it years ago but I should watch it again it's very informative. To add to that, from http://www.alternet.org/story/153201/the_fascinating_history_of_how_corporations_became_"people"_--_thanks_to_corrupt_courts_working_for_the_1
    At a 2010 conference, former Rep. Alan Grayson, D-Florida, put the potential impact of Citizens United in stark terms. “We’re now in a situation,” he told the crowd, “where a lobbyist can walk into my office…and say, ‘I’ve got five million dollars to spend, and I can spend it for you or against you. Which do you prefer?’”
    To arrive at their ruling, the court’s conservative majority stretched the Orwellian legal concept known as “corporate personhood” to the limit, and gave faceless multinationals expansive rights to influence our elections under the auspices of the First Amendment.
    Another good site: http://reclaimdemocracy.org/corporate-accountability-history-corporations-us/

  • Free said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    If "blurring of lines between press, government and party politics" were anything new, then it would be scandalous. Something that has been going on for years upon years and that everyone already knew about is not, by definition, scandalous. It's not even surprising. If you are upset that it happens, then that's fine obviously, and I'm not saying the fact this this goes on shouldn't be discussed. But just qualify it properly so people can relate. What you're doing right now is telling everyone what we already knew went on for as long as we can remember and then acting self-righteous when we don't all react with shock and as though it means Clinton should be hung up to dry, and this can put a damper on people wanting the issue at all. Just wondering.... where have you been all your life? Did you just start paying attention to politics this year?

    Where of you been all your life, you're not even in the US. Since when are we supposed to be complacent with the way things are run in the US? and exactly how long has money and permitted to buy elections? And we should be complacent about that? we should be OK with the media being owned and controlled by government interests? I can go on...
    Since the founding of the Republic, to answer your question.
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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    PJ_Soul said:

    If "blurring of lines between press, government and party politics" were anything new, then it would be scandalous. Something that has been going on for years upon years and that everyone already knew about is not, by definition, scandalous. It's not even surprising. If you are upset that it happens, then that's fine obviously, and I'm not saying the fact this this goes on shouldn't be discussed. But just qualify it properly so people can relate. What you're doing right now is telling everyone what we already knew went on for as long as we can remember and then acting self-righteous when we don't all react with shock and as though it means Clinton should be hung up to dry, and this can put a damper on people wanting the issue at all. Just wondering.... where have you been all your life? Did you just start paying attention to politics this year?

    :clap:
    People are using this to validate their own fears and let their conspiracy warped minds run rampant. It's awfully naive to believe the press was ever 'fair & balanced'. The only people who were telling you that was the media under the guise of neutrality for the purpose of selling advertising dollars. Anyone who was even remotely paying attention knew otherwise.
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    benjs said:

    Free said:

    CM189191 said:

    Free said:

    CM189191 said:

    Free said:

    my2hands said:

    Find a new hobby... you seem obsessed... I know we don't know each other, but I'm 100% serious

    Guess what, if you don't like the thread, don't read.
    I think my2hands got a point. You're going to be terribly depressed when nothing comes of these emails. It's not a healthy obsession.
    Attempting to control what people post and ridicule, is quite telling of a person. Enjoy snapchat.
    ...right...anyhow...
    I keep looking at these 'scandalous' emails, but there's nothing there. No substance, just the inner workings of a political machine. It is starting sound like the boy who cried wolf.
    To any Bernie supporter it proves exactly what we thought all along, that the whole thing was rigged against him, The DNC is is just as corrupt as the GOP, and yeah, politicians are dirty and don't give a shit about the people they serve, only special interests and big money.

    But that isn't news to Clinton supporters... they tend to prefer an Orwellian society.
    Free, this thought just came to me and I'm curious to hear your response. Government members are still citizens of the United States, which means they have the right to partake in not just democracy, but also in capitalism. This is a blatant conflict of interest: just as Wall Street can not be relied upon to police itself and take moral and humanist stances over thoughts of its own bottom-line, Washington very clearly can not either. Speaking loudly about the corruption brings attention to this fact, but how do we mobilize citizens to have government return to speaking for the greatest collective quality of life, rather than the greatest collective dollars in their own pockets, without infringing on their constitutional rights to profiting personally? And without organized mobilization, what end do you see for spending such energy on drawing attention to corruption?
    Dismantling citizens United for starters. Corporations are not people and that should never of been passed, and it has been disastrous to The people of this country. How do we do it? How do we take power away from the corps? These "people", such as Mylan ( and the rest of the Pharma cuticles), are using their constitutional power in ways that are obscene to humanity. And the government has gotten involved, to embarrass and practically force them to relieve Americans of Mylan's insane and ever increasing prices for medicine! That's capitalism for you along with corporations being "people".
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    CM189191 said:

    Free said:

    CM189191 said:

    Free said:

    CM189191 said:

    Free said:

    my2hands said:

    Find a new hobby... you seem obsessed... I know we don't know each other, but I'm 100% serious

    Guess what, if you don't like the thread, don't read.
    I think my2hands got a point. You're going to be terribly depressed when nothing comes of these emails. It's not a healthy obsession.
    Attempting to control what people post and ridicule, is quite telling of a person. Enjoy snapchat.
    ...right...anyhow...
    I keep looking at these 'scandalous' emails, but there's nothing there. No substance, just the inner workings of a political machine. It is starting sound like the boy who cried wolf.
    To any Bernie supporter it proves exactly what we thought all along, that the whole thing was rigged against him, The DNC is is just as corrupt as the GOP, and yeah, politicians are dirty and don't give a shit about the people they serve, only special interests and big money.

    But that isn't news to Clinton supporters... they tend to prefer an Orwellian society.
    Sounds like sour grapes. Just because your guy lost, doesn't mean the system was rigged against him. Now where else have I heard that? The system is designed to win democratic elections. It appears they are going to be able to do that with the candidate that was selected.
    Not at all. Do you not know how to question potential candidates for the presidency of your country?

    Do you not know how to question potential candidates for the presidency of your country?

    Do you not know how to question potential candidates for the presidency of your country?
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    This is all fucking child's play compared to what went on during the Bush years...

    Wake me up when you have something juicy
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