The Podesta Emails
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Is that a hint? Are you trying to see what I'm wearing?Gern Blansten said:
are you wearing a superman costume right now?tonifig8 said:Excellent work, JC!
The excuses by the Clintonites are amazing. They apparently speak for Clinton. We haven't heard shit from that crook nor the White House, other then blaming Russia and bring up Trump's sorry ass. These sheep don't care that their queen is dodging and avoiding these hard facts. In fact when she went into hiding, avoiding the press for 9+months (and she's back at it again), they praised her and encouraged her for doing so.....WTF is wrong with these people!?!?! It's amazing the level of brainwash some of these folks have.
Instead they make excuses for her, excuse after excuse after excuse...rather then somehow someway trying to improve our country's. democracy. Why? Because they put a politician above our country. Dumb it down.
keep up the excellent work, JC..... You're doing the media's work.0 -
KABOOM!!!jeffbr said:
If corruption and/or blurring of lines between press, government and party politics aren't interesting or scandalous, then you're right, there's nothing here for you. You seem to be comfortable with the status quo corruption that is pervasive in national politics. Nothing here has shocked me so far, but I do find it interesting and informative. I wish the 5th estate could keep the 4th estate in check a little, but we've apparently accepted and are comfortable with the media and national politicians collaborating and assisting one another. The politicians get more power, and the media gets the scoops which sells more advertising. And we get two of the most disliked candidates in history pitted against one another. Yeehaw.CM189191 said:
If not scandalous, disqualifying, incriminating, corrupt, etc,.what is it wikileaks or assange is trying to prove? Because whatever it is, I seem to be missing out on the controversy.JC29856 said:
can you refer to who and where anyone but you classified them as "scandalous"? i dont think wiki or assange ever used the term.CM189191 said:
...right...anyhow...Free said:
Attempting to control what people post and ridicule, is quite telling of a person. Enjoy snapchat.CM189191 said:
I think my2hands got a point. You're going to be terribly depressed when nothing comes of these emails. It's not a healthy obsession.Free said:
Guess what, if you don't like the thread, don't read.my2hands said:Find a new hobby... you seem obsessed... I know we don't know each other, but I'm 100% serious
I keep looking at these 'scandalous' emails, but there's nothing there. No substance, just the inner workings of a political machine. It is starting sound like the boy who cried wolf.0 -
jeffbr said:
If corruption and/or blurring of lines between press, government and party politics aren't interesting or scandalous, then you're right, there's nothing here for you. You seem to be comfortable with the status quo corruption that is pervasive in national politics. Nothing here has shocked me so far, but I do find it interesting and informative. I wish the 5th estate could keep the 4th estate in check a little, but we've apparently accepted and are comfortable with the media and national politicians collaborating and assisting one another. The politicians get more power, and the media gets the scoops which sells more advertising. And we get two of the most disliked candidates in history pitted against one another. Yeehaw.CM189191 said:
If not scandalous, disqualifying, incriminating, corrupt, etc,.what is it wikileaks or assange is trying to prove? Because whatever it is, I seem to be missing out on the controversy.JC29856 said:
can you refer to who and where anyone but you classified them as "scandalous"? i dont think wiki or assange ever used the term.CM189191 said:
...right...anyhow...Free said:
Attempting to control what people post and ridicule, is quite telling of a person. Enjoy snapchat.CM189191 said:
I think my2hands got a point. You're going to be terribly depressed when nothing comes of these emails. It's not a healthy obsession.Free said:
Guess what, if you don't like the thread, don't read.my2hands said:Find a new hobby... you seem obsessed... I know we don't know each other, but I'm 100% serious
I keep looking at these 'scandalous' emails, but there's nothing there. No substance, just the inner workings of a political machine. It is starting sound like the boy who cried wolf.
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If "blurring of lines between press, government and party politics" were anything new, then it would be scandalous. Something that has been going on for years upon years and that everyone already knew about is not, by definition, scandalous. It's not even surprising. If you are upset that it happens, then that's fine obviously, and I'm not saying the fact this this goes on shouldn't be discussed. But just qualify it properly so people can relate. What you're doing right now is telling everyone what we already knew went on for as long as we can remember and then acting self-righteous when we don't all react with shock and as though it means Clinton should be hung up to dry, and this can put a damper on people wanting the issue at all. Just wondering.... where have you been all your life? Did you just start paying attention to politics this year?With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0
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Where of you been all your life, you're not even in the US. Since when are we supposed to be complacent with the way things are run in the US? and exactly how long has money and permitted to buy elections? And we should be complacent about that? we should be OK with the media being owned and controlled by government interests? I can go on...PJ_Soul said:If "blurring of lines between press, government and party politics" were anything new, then it would be scandalous. Something that has been going on for years upon years and that everyone already knew about is not, by definition, scandalous. It's not even surprising. If you are upset that it happens, then that's fine obviously, and I'm not saying the fact this this goes on shouldn't be discussed. But just qualify it properly so people can relate. What you're doing right now is telling everyone what we already knew went on for as long as we can remember and then acting self-righteous when we don't all react with shock and as though it means Clinton should be hung up to dry, and this can put a damper on people wanting the issue at all. Just wondering.... where have you been all your life? Did you just start paying attention to politics this year?
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Free, this thought just came to me and I'm curious to hear your response. Government members are still citizens of the United States, which means they have the right to partake in not just democracy, but also in capitalism. This is a blatant conflict of interest: just as Wall Street can not be relied upon to police itself and take moral and humanist stances over thoughts of its own bottom-line, Washington very clearly can not either. Speaking loudly about the corruption brings attention to this fact, but how do we mobilize citizens to have government return to speaking for the greatest collective quality of life, rather than the greatest collective dollars in their own pockets, without infringing on their constitutional rights to profiting personally? And without organized mobilization, what end do you see for spending such energy on drawing attention to corruption?Free said:
To any Bernie supporter it proves exactly what we thought all along, that the whole thing was rigged against him, The DNC is is just as corrupt as the GOP, and yeah, politicians are dirty and don't give a shit about the people they serve, only special interests and big money.CM189191 said:
...right...anyhow...Free said:
Attempting to control what people post and ridicule, is quite telling of a person. Enjoy snapchat.CM189191 said:
I think my2hands got a point. You're going to be terribly depressed when nothing comes of these emails. It's not a healthy obsession.Free said:
Guess what, if you don't like the thread, don't read.my2hands said:Find a new hobby... you seem obsessed... I know we don't know each other, but I'm 100% serious
I keep looking at these 'scandalous' emails, but there's nothing there. No substance, just the inner workings of a political machine. It is starting sound like the boy who cried wolf.
But that isn't news to Clinton supporters... they tend to prefer an Orwellian society.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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I have access to all of the same information as him, so where I live is irrelevant. I didn't say anyone should be complacent or okay with anything. I actually said the opposite of that.Free said:
Where of you been all your life, you're not even in the US. Since when are we supposed to be complacent with the way things are run in the US? and exactly how long has money and permitted to buy elections? And we should be complacent about that? we should be OK with the media being owned and controlled by government interests? I can go on...PJ_Soul said:If "blurring of lines between press, government and party politics" were anything new, then it would be scandalous. Something that has been going on for years upon years and that everyone already knew about is not, by definition, scandalous. It's not even surprising. If you are upset that it happens, then that's fine obviously, and I'm not saying the fact this this goes on shouldn't be discussed. But just qualify it properly so people can relate. What you're doing right now is telling everyone what we already knew went on for as long as we can remember and then acting self-righteous when we don't all react with shock and as though it means Clinton should be hung up to dry, and this can put a damper on people wanting the issue at all. Just wondering.... where have you been all your life? Did you just start paying attention to politics this year?
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
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This is well said.jeffbr said:
If corruption and/or blurring of lines between press, government and party politics aren't interesting or scandalous, then you're right, there's nothing here for you. You seem to be comfortable with the status quo corruption that is pervasive in national politics. Nothing here has shocked me so far, but I do find it interesting and informative. I wish the 5th estate could keep the 4th estate in check a little, but we've apparently accepted and are comfortable with the media and national politicians collaborating and assisting one another. The politicians get more power, and the media gets the scoops which sells more advertising. And we get two of the most disliked candidates in history pitted against one another. Yeehaw.CM189191 said:
If not scandalous, disqualifying, incriminating, corrupt, etc,.what is it wikileaks or assange is trying to prove? Because whatever it is, I seem to be missing out on the controversy.JC29856 said:
can you refer to who and where anyone but you classified them as "scandalous"? i dont think wiki or assange ever used the term.CM189191 said:
...right...anyhow...Free said:
Attempting to control what people post and ridicule, is quite telling of a person. Enjoy snapchat.CM189191 said:
I think my2hands got a point. You're going to be terribly depressed when nothing comes of these emails. It's not a healthy obsession.Free said:
Guess what, if you don't like the thread, don't read.my2hands said:Find a new hobby... you seem obsessed... I know we don't know each other, but I'm 100% serious
I keep looking at these 'scandalous' emails, but there's nothing there. No substance, just the inner workings of a political machine. It is starting sound like the boy who cried wolf.___________________________________________
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Speaking of controlling one's thoughts and or opinionsFree said:
Attempting to control what people post and ridicule, is quite telling of a person. Enjoy snapchat.CM189191 said:
I think my2hands got a point. You're going to be terribly depressed when nothing comes of these emails. It's not a healthy obsession.Free said:
Guess what, if you don't like the thread, don't read.my2hands said:Find a new hobby... you seem obsessed... I know we don't know each other, but I'm 100% serious
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/15465
Ben Jealous former president of NAACP backed Bernie but they werent having any of that
I have to admit ive spent all day reading these emails and most of them at least released today are quite boring an irrelevant or very cryptic0 -
Not sure how some cannot see the obvious subversion of democracy of by and for the people.0
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I do, I am just not surprised by it. That's why these emails aren't interesting to me. Old news, really. That doesn't mean I don't see what the problem is and has been for a long long time. These emails aren't going to do anything about it, right?JC29856 said:Not sure how some cannot see the obvious subversion of democracy of by and for the people.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
Sounds like sour grapes. Just because your guy lost, doesn't mean the system was rigged against him. Now where else have I heard that? The system is designed to win democratic elections. It appears they are going to be able to do that with the candidate that was selected.Free said:
To any Bernie supporter it proves exactly what we thought all along, that the whole thing was rigged against him, The DNC is is just as corrupt as the GOP, and yeah, politicians are dirty and don't give a shit about the people they serve, only special interests and big money.CM189191 said:
...right...anyhow...Free said:
Attempting to control what people post and ridicule, is quite telling of a person. Enjoy snapchat.CM189191 said:
I think my2hands got a point. You're going to be terribly depressed when nothing comes of these emails. It's not a healthy obsession.Free said:
Guess what, if you don't like the thread, don't read.my2hands said:Find a new hobby... you seem obsessed... I know we don't know each other, but I'm 100% serious
I keep looking at these 'scandalous' emails, but there's nothing there. No substance, just the inner workings of a political machine. It is starting sound like the boy who cried wolf.
But that isn't news to Clinton supporters... they tend to prefer an Orwellian society.0 -
benjs said:
Free, this thought just came to me and I'm curious to hear your response. Government members are still citizens of the United States, which means they have the right to partake in not just democracy, but also in capitalism. This is a blatant conflict of interest: just as Wall Street can not be relied upon to police itself and take moral and humanist stances over thoughts of its own bottom-line, Washington very clearly can not either. Speaking loudly about the corruption brings attention to this fact, but how do we mobilize citizens to have government return to speaking for the greatest collective quality of life, rather than the greatest collective dollars in their own pockets, without infringing on their constitutional rights to profiting personally? And without organized mobilization, what end do you see for spending such energy on drawing attention to corruption?Free said:
To any Bernie supporter it proves exactly what we thought all along, that the whole thing was rigged against him, The DNC is is just as corrupt as the GOP, and yeah, politicians are dirty and don't give a shit about the people they serve, only special interests and big money.CM189191 said:
...right...anyhow...Free said:
Attempting to control what people post and ridicule, is quite telling of a person. Enjoy snapchat.CM189191 said:
I think my2hands got a point. You're going to be terribly depressed when nothing comes of these emails. It's not a healthy obsession.Free said:
Guess what, if you don't like the thread, don't read.my2hands said:Find a new hobby... you seem obsessed... I know we don't know each other, but I'm 100% serious
I keep looking at these 'scandalous' emails, but there's nothing there. No substance, just the inner workings of a political machine. It is starting sound like the boy who cried wolf.
But that isn't news to Clinton supporters... they tend to prefer an Orwellian society.
Haven't we been kind of talking about this Benjs? (You and me) how did money get into politics in the first place and allow elections to be bought? It Wasn't always like this.benjs said:
Free, this thought just came to me and I'm curious to hear your response. Government members are still citizens of the United States, which means they have the right to partake in not just democracy, but also in capitalism. This is a blatant conflict of interest: just as Wall Street can not be relied upon to police itself and take moral and humanist stances over thoughts of its own bottom-line, Washington very clearly can not either. Speaking loudly about the corruption brings attention to this fact, but how do we mobilize citizens to have government return to speaking for the greatest collective quality of life, rather than the greatest collective dollars in their own pockets, without infringing on their constitutional rights to profiting personally? And without organized mobilization, what end do you see for spending such energy on drawing attention to corruption?Free said:
To any Bernie supporter it proves exactly what we thought all along, that the whole thing was rigged against him, The DNC is is just as corrupt as the GOP, and yeah, politicians are dirty and don't give a shit about the people they serve, only special interests and big money.CM189191 said:
...right...anyhow...Free said:
Attempting to control what people post and ridicule, is quite telling of a person. Enjoy snapchat.CM189191 said:
I think my2hands got a point. You're going to be terribly depressed when nothing comes of these emails. It's not a healthy obsession.Free said:
Guess what, if you don't like the thread, don't read.my2hands said:Find a new hobby... you seem obsessed... I know we don't know each other, but I'm 100% serious
I keep looking at these 'scandalous' emails, but there's nothing there. No substance, just the inner workings of a political machine. It is starting sound like the boy who cried wolf.
But that isn't news to Clinton supporters... they tend to prefer an Orwellian society.
I can't speak for government, but from studying the media and media marketing for so long, I remember when it was a public service. The news was not owned, it was not a part of the capitalistic America that we have become. We got facts from our news, we saw caskets on the news from the wars. That's not allowed anymore.
To begin to answer where you're getting at, maybe start with how corporations became people. Have you seen the documentary "the corporation?" I saw it years ago but I should watch it again it's very informative. To add to that, from http://www.alternet.org/story/153201/the_fascinating_history_of_how_corporations_became_"people"_--_thanks_to_corrupt_courts_working_for_the_1At a 2010 conference, former Rep. Alan Grayson, D-Florida, put the potential impact of Citizens United in stark terms. “We’re now in a situation,” he told the crowd, “where a lobbyist can walk into my office…and say, ‘I’ve got five million dollars to spend, and I can spend it for you or against you. Which do you prefer?’”
Another good site: http://reclaimdemocracy.org/corporate-accountability-history-corporations-us/
To arrive at their ruling, the court’s conservative majority stretched the Orwellian legal concept known as “corporate personhood” to the limit, and gave faceless multinationals expansive rights to influence our elections under the auspices of the First Amendment.
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Since the founding of the Republic, to answer your question.Free said:
Where of you been all your life, you're not even in the US. Since when are we supposed to be complacent with the way things are run in the US? and exactly how long has money and permitted to buy elections? And we should be complacent about that? we should be OK with the media being owned and controlled by government interests? I can go on...PJ_Soul said:If "blurring of lines between press, government and party politics" were anything new, then it would be scandalous. Something that has been going on for years upon years and that everyone already knew about is not, by definition, scandalous. It's not even surprising. If you are upset that it happens, then that's fine obviously, and I'm not saying the fact this this goes on shouldn't be discussed. But just qualify it properly so people can relate. What you're doing right now is telling everyone what we already knew went on for as long as we can remember and then acting self-righteous when we don't all react with shock and as though it means Clinton should be hung up to dry, and this can put a damper on people wanting the issue at all. Just wondering.... where have you been all your life? Did you just start paying attention to politics this year?
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PJ_Soul said:
If "blurring of lines between press, government and party politics" were anything new, then it would be scandalous. Something that has been going on for years upon years and that everyone already knew about is not, by definition, scandalous. It's not even surprising. If you are upset that it happens, then that's fine obviously, and I'm not saying the fact this this goes on shouldn't be discussed. But just qualify it properly so people can relate. What you're doing right now is telling everyone what we already knew went on for as long as we can remember and then acting self-righteous when we don't all react with shock and as though it means Clinton should be hung up to dry, and this can put a damper on people wanting the issue at all. Just wondering.... where have you been all your life? Did you just start paying attention to politics this year?
People are using this to validate their own fears and let their conspiracy warped minds run rampant. It's awfully naive to believe the press was ever 'fair & balanced'. The only people who were telling you that was the media under the guise of neutrality for the purpose of selling advertising dollars. Anyone who was even remotely paying attention knew otherwise.0 -
Dismantling citizens United for starters. Corporations are not people and that should never of been passed, and it has been disastrous to The people of this country. How do we do it? How do we take power away from the corps? These "people", such as Mylan ( and the rest of the Pharma cuticles), are using their constitutional power in ways that are obscene to humanity. And the government has gotten involved, to embarrass and practically force them to relieve Americans of Mylan's insane and ever increasing prices for medicine! That's capitalism for you along with corporations being "people".benjs said:
Free, this thought just came to me and I'm curious to hear your response. Government members are still citizens of the United States, which means they have the right to partake in not just democracy, but also in capitalism. This is a blatant conflict of interest: just as Wall Street can not be relied upon to police itself and take moral and humanist stances over thoughts of its own bottom-line, Washington very clearly can not either. Speaking loudly about the corruption brings attention to this fact, but how do we mobilize citizens to have government return to speaking for the greatest collective quality of life, rather than the greatest collective dollars in their own pockets, without infringing on their constitutional rights to profiting personally? And without organized mobilization, what end do you see for spending such energy on drawing attention to corruption?Free said:
To any Bernie supporter it proves exactly what we thought all along, that the whole thing was rigged against him, The DNC is is just as corrupt as the GOP, and yeah, politicians are dirty and don't give a shit about the people they serve, only special interests and big money.CM189191 said:
...right...anyhow...Free said:
Attempting to control what people post and ridicule, is quite telling of a person. Enjoy snapchat.CM189191 said:
I think my2hands got a point. You're going to be terribly depressed when nothing comes of these emails. It's not a healthy obsession.Free said:
Guess what, if you don't like the thread, don't read.my2hands said:Find a new hobby... you seem obsessed... I know we don't know each other, but I'm 100% serious
I keep looking at these 'scandalous' emails, but there's nothing there. No substance, just the inner workings of a political machine. It is starting sound like the boy who cried wolf.
But that isn't news to Clinton supporters... they tend to prefer an Orwellian society.
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Not at all. Do you not know how to question potential candidates for the presidency of your country?CM189191 said:
Sounds like sour grapes. Just because your guy lost, doesn't mean the system was rigged against him. Now where else have I heard that? The system is designed to win democratic elections. It appears they are going to be able to do that with the candidate that was selected.Free said:
To any Bernie supporter it proves exactly what we thought all along, that the whole thing was rigged against him, The DNC is is just as corrupt as the GOP, and yeah, politicians are dirty and don't give a shit about the people they serve, only special interests and big money.CM189191 said:
...right...anyhow...Free said:
Attempting to control what people post and ridicule, is quite telling of a person. Enjoy snapchat.CM189191 said:
I think my2hands got a point. You're going to be terribly depressed when nothing comes of these emails. It's not a healthy obsession.Free said:
Guess what, if you don't like the thread, don't read.my2hands said:Find a new hobby... you seem obsessed... I know we don't know each other, but I'm 100% serious
I keep looking at these 'scandalous' emails, but there's nothing there. No substance, just the inner workings of a political machine. It is starting sound like the boy who cried wolf.
But that isn't news to Clinton supporters... they tend to prefer an Orwellian society.
Do you not know how to question potential candidates for the presidency of your country?
Do you not know how to question potential candidates for the presidency of your country?0 -
This is all fucking child's play compared to what went on during the Bush years...
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