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first of all, I'm canadian. and I just fucking said it's broken. how is that defending it? are you daft? do you read?Free said:
As a CITIZEN, you are defending a broken system, deliberately done right in front of our faces, showing us what they can get away with and we won't do anything about it. Congratulations.HughFreakingDillon said:
no one is defending the system. everyone knows it is broken. all we are saying is IT ISN'T CHEATING UNDER THE CURRENT RULES. The DNC made those rules and they abide by them, as shitty as they are/seem.Free said:
And who loses Benjs?? Yeah, us.benjs said:
To this, I feel that a lack of critical thought as well as capitalism itself are to blame, and democracy cannot function well in conjunction with these elements.Free said:
How is massive cheating and rigging viaHughFreakingDillon said:
I have. and I'm getting sick and tired of the blatant generalization and false outrage.tonifig8 said:
Go through the other thread (now closed) or this one. Look for rational anti-Clinton post/comments - check the replies. You'll get to the bottom of stupid real quick. Better yet- check out the policy discussion(s). It's not that difficult. Even stupid can do it.HughFreakingDillon said:
maybe start addressing whomever it is you are referring to, and not the entire group as a whole. one person says they don't care about something, and out of your mouth "they" don't care or "all of them make excuses". it's getting stupid.tonifig8 said:
These clintonites keep making excuses. The fact that Clinton used this info is completely irrelevant to them- it's the fault of others, not Clinton. Never is it Clinton's. It's astonishing the amount of excuses we read on here. The denial factor is off the charts.JC29856 said:
Oh! Your making a distinction between Hilliary personally requesting the info versus her campaign seeking the info and her using it.PJ_Soul said:
No, I'm talking about the debate questions that were supposedly passed on to Hillary's campaign.JC29856 said:
I don't think anyone is blaming Hilliary, huma testified that all of the devices that contained emails were turned over, which the fbi learned isn't the case. The speculation is that there are emails contained on weiners notebook that were NOT turned over to investigators and that some may have been emails that were deleted "the 33,000".PJ_Soul said:
I don't know, but either way, I don't see how Hillary Clinton is to blame. I haven't seen anything showing that she requested the info.JC29856 said:
Yes legit, yesterday.tonifig8 said:
Is that recent tweet by Dona Brazile legit? The one that states, "Please God, Let this end soon"JC29856 said:http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/10/cnn-severs-ties-with-donna-brazile-230534
CLINTON NARRATIVE NETWORK fall "person" Brazile
I don't have twitter.....I'm assuming it's fake. Nonetheless, it's still hilarious.
Cnn said this: cnn never gave Brazile access to questions pre material attendee list background information or meetings in advance of town halls or debates.
So, Brazile obtained the questions "illegally", "stole" them or CNN is lying. I wonder if cnn will bother investigating how Brazile received the questions in advance? I wonder if they consider it interfering with elections?
When Arod tells his cousin he wants to get bigger and stronger and his cousin gets him steroids and he using them, it's not really on Arod because he never said "go get me steroids".
1. Changing rules regarding big money being donated to campaigns
2. Rigging the Democratic national convention against Bernie Sanders
3. Hiring damned DWS as special campaign manager
4. Manipulating election by using super delegates to win candidacy (and yeah after this year, superdelegates most likely will not be allowed anymore. They are already going through state review and getting rid of them. It is a democratic party loophole with that Republicans don't use.)
.."blatant generalization and false outrage."? That is just for examples, there are much more.
To answer your points about an "unfair" election:
1. It is legal to propose a bill in Congress to change a policy. It is also legal to vote in favour of said bill. Capitalist-proposed bills (whether they're by corporations or politicians) beget more powerful capitalists, which beget more capitalist-proposed bills. In this way, the system perpetuates more of the system. Expecting to throw a wedge into the cycle is unrealistic without tremendous effort, clearly defined in both problem and solution, and well-organized. The population has failed miserably at that, due to a lack of critical thinking about what seems 'right' in society.
2. In addition to the right to assemble, the Democratic National Convention is not policed by any governing body (unless they violate the law). Hence, to push one candidate over another is not "rigging": it is strategizing to seize or retain the most power (or capital) - a right which is fundamental to being an American citizen. The only way around this would be for Convention politics to be governed by American law, which is made with capitalist interests in mind, and thus would get nowhere.
3. As with my point above, the DNC reserves the right to staff its organization however it sees fit. Unfortunately, a populace that has become complacent and mentally lazy has slowly had power usurped from them, moving towards fewer and fewer. The fact that this is now so abundantly clear is no fault of Hilary Clinton's - it is collectively the fault of the public for not having thought critically, spoken up, or mobilized to bring just and necessary change, in an effective fashion.
4. Same as #2. The Democratic Rules Committee is produced internally, and has that right. A lack of critical thinking has convinced America that since its inception, its populace could be adequately represented by two parties with two sets of opinions. This empowered those two parties to force tough choices on their voters - do I vote for the corrupt party which belittles my vote with superdelegates, or do I vote for the party which is anti-abortion?
My outrage is solely in the hands of the lazy and timid population we've become. We know more, but think and care less. With critical thought, we wouldn't be in this mess. Now that we are, to state that the problem is a candidate is a straw man attack: the problem is the system itself, and not knowing how to change it back does not justify criticizing the opportunist members of the system, which are the majority.
Meanwhile, you got people defending this broken system... and what are your ideas for fixing it besides just the third-party because that's not gonna just fall out of the sky and happen. We've seen with the two-party system does to third parties; take advantage of loopholes so they can cheat to win. Who's gonna dismantle gerrymandering? Who's gonna get money out of politics once and for all - not only to be brought back by HRC???Post edited by HughFreakingDillon onBy The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
What does Howard Dean have to do with the several million more votes Clinton got over Sanders?Free said:
Actually they are. Howard Dean is on the record (That means factual People) for stating that as a SD he does not stand for the people and he will vote for who he wants. In other words, bought and paid for by HRC. If that's not fucking with the people of this country, I don't know what is. That is such a huge embarrassment to our election system, that it is well known that this election is bought and paid for by HRC and done so well in advance. What a travesty that people are more interested in the soap opera of Donald Trump.rgambs said:
The problem is not the facts posted, it's the conclusions drawn from them.Free said:
We could post facts up the Yin Yang and you would just excuse and defend away... it's kind of pathetic to be that kind of an apologist and I know you're not an apologist Hugh, but you're doing their work for them. There is so much shit going on for Hillary and you guys just keep apologizing...HughFreakingDillon said:
go back and read any of my (and anyone else's) 3 zillion responses to the same stuff you post. I've addressed all of what I know ad nauseum, but you just keep coming back with the same talking points. I don't need to go over this again.Free said:
How is massive cheating and rigging viaHughFreakingDillon said:
I have. and I'm getting sick and tired of the blatant generalization and false outrage.tonifig8 said:
Go through the other thread (now closed) or this one. Look for rational anti-Clinton post/comments - check the replies. You'll get to the bottom of stupid real quick. Better yet- check out the policy discussion(s). It's not that difficult. Even stupid can do it.HughFreakingDillon said:
maybe start addressing whomever it is you are referring to, and not the entire group as a whole. one person says they don't care about something, and out of your mouth "they" don't care or "all of them make excuses". it's getting stupid.tonifig8 said:
These clintonites keep making excuses. The fact that Clinton used this info is completely irrelevant to them- it's the fault of others, not Clinton. Never is it Clinton's. It's astonishing the amount of excuses we read on here. The denial factor is off the charts.JC29856 said:
Oh! Your making a distinction between Hilliary personally requesting the info versus her campaign seeking the info and her using it.PJ_Soul said:
No, I'm talking about the debate questions that were supposedly passed on to Hillary's campaign.JC29856 said:
I don't think anyone is blaming Hilliary, huma testified that all of the devices that contained emails were turned over, which the fbi learned isn't the case. The speculation is that there are emails contained on weiners notebook that were NOT turned over to investigators and that some may have been emails that were deleted "the 33,000".PJ_Soul said:
I don't know, but either way, I don't see how Hillary Clinton is to blame. I haven't seen anything showing that she requested the info.JC29856 said:
Yes legit, yesterday.tonifig8 said:
Is that recent tweet by Dona Brazile legit? The one that states, "Please God, Let this end soon"JC29856 said:http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/10/cnn-severs-ties-with-donna-brazile-230534
CLINTON NARRATIVE NETWORK fall "person" Brazile
I don't have twitter.....I'm assuming it's fake. Nonetheless, it's still hilarious.
Cnn said this: cnn never gave Brazile access to questions pre material attendee list background information or meetings in advance of town halls or debates.
So, Brazile obtained the questions "illegally", "stole" them or CNN is lying. I wonder if cnn will bother investigating how Brazile received the questions in advance? I wonder if they consider it interfering with elections?
When Arod tells his cousin he wants to get bigger and stronger and his cousin gets him steroids and he using them, it's not really on Arod because he never said "go get me steroids".
1. Changing rules regarding big money being donated to campaigns
2. Rigging the Democratic national convention against Bernie Sanders
3. Hiring damned DWS as special campaign manager
4. Manipulating election by using super delegates to win candidacy (and yeah after this year, superdelegates most likely will not be allowed anymore. They are already going through state review and getting rid of them. It is a democratic party loophole with that Republicans don't use.)
.."blatant generalization and false outrage."? That is just for examples, there are much more.
you are on a 4 point loop, all of which have been addressed time and again. time to change it up.
bernie lost. it sucks, but he lost. move on. the rest of us have. including him.
Superdelegates backing Clinton is not equal to a stolen election, and neither do any of the underhanded and shitty Clinton tactics equal a stolen election.
That is just a sore loser mentality. Sanders lost because people didn't vote for him, plain and simple. No amount of puling will explain that away.
How snowed are people to think that they have to be on the winning guy in order to be triumphant? ( Think Charlie sheen) when in reality we're all losers!! It has nothing to do with Bernie Sanders, it has everything to do with being an informed voter.
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Excuses.HughFreakingDillon said:
no I'm not. I'm canadian. no superdelegates here.Free said:
As a CITIZEN, you are defending a broken system, deliberately done right in front of our faces, showing us what they can get away with and we won't do anything about it. Congratulations.HughFreakingDillon said:
no one is defending the system. everyone knows it is broken. all we are saying is IT ISN'T CHEATING UNDER THE CURRENT RULES. The DNC made those rules and they abide by them, as shitty as they are/seem.Free said:
And who loses Benjs?? Yeah, us.benjs said:
To this, I feel that a lack of critical thought as well as capitalism itself are to blame, and democracy cannot function well in conjunction with these elements.Free said:
How is massive cheating and rigging viaHughFreakingDillon said:
I have. and I'm getting sick and tired of the blatant generalization and false outrage.tonifig8 said:
Go through the other thread (now closed) or this one. Look for rational anti-Clinton post/comments - check the replies. You'll get to the bottom of stupid real quick. Better yet- check out the policy discussion(s). It's not that difficult. Even stupid can do it.HughFreakingDillon said:
maybe start addressing whomever it is you are referring to, and not the entire group as a whole. one person says they don't care about something, and out of your mouth "they" don't care or "all of them make excuses". it's getting stupid.tonifig8 said:
These clintonites keep making excuses. The fact that Clinton used this info is completely irrelevant to them- it's the fault of others, not Clinton. Never is it Clinton's. It's astonishing the amount of excuses we read on here. The denial factor is off the charts.JC29856 said:
Oh! Your making a distinction between Hilliary personally requesting the info versus her campaign seeking the info and her using it.PJ_Soul said:
No, I'm talking about the debate questions that were supposedly passed on to Hillary's campaign.JC29856 said:
I don't think anyone is blaming Hilliary, huma testified that all of the devices that contained emails were turned over, which the fbi learned isn't the case. The speculation is that there are emails contained on weiners notebook that were NOT turned over to investigators and that some may have been emails that were deleted "the 33,000".PJ_Soul said:
I don't know, but either way, I don't see how Hillary Clinton is to blame. I haven't seen anything showing that she requested the info.JC29856 said:
Yes legit, yesterday.tonifig8 said:
Is that recent tweet by Dona Brazile legit? The one that states, "Please God, Let this end soon"JC29856 said:http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/10/cnn-severs-ties-with-donna-brazile-230534
CLINTON NARRATIVE NETWORK fall "person" Brazile
I don't have twitter.....I'm assuming it's fake. Nonetheless, it's still hilarious.
Cnn said this: cnn never gave Brazile access to questions pre material attendee list background information or meetings in advance of town halls or debates.
So, Brazile obtained the questions "illegally", "stole" them or CNN is lying. I wonder if cnn will bother investigating how Brazile received the questions in advance? I wonder if they consider it interfering with elections?
When Arod tells his cousin he wants to get bigger and stronger and his cousin gets him steroids and he using them, it's not really on Arod because he never said "go get me steroids".
1. Changing rules regarding big money being donated to campaigns
2. Rigging the Democratic national convention against Bernie Sanders
3. Hiring damned DWS as special campaign manager
4. Manipulating election by using super delegates to win candidacy (and yeah after this year, superdelegates most likely will not be allowed anymore. They are already going through state review and getting rid of them. It is a democratic party loophole with that Republicans don't use.)
.."blatant generalization and false outrage."? That is just for examples, there are much more.
To answer your points about an "unfair" election:
1. It is legal to propose a bill in Congress to change a policy. It is also legal to vote in favour of said bill. Capitalist-proposed bills (whether they're by corporations or politicians) beget more powerful capitalists, which beget more capitalist-proposed bills. In this way, the system perpetuates more of the system. Expecting to throw a wedge into the cycle is unrealistic without tremendous effort, clearly defined in both problem and solution, and well-organized. The population has failed miserably at that, due to a lack of critical thinking about what seems 'right' in society.
2. In addition to the right to assemble, the Democratic National Convention is not policed by any governing body (unless they violate the law). Hence, to push one candidate over another is not "rigging": it is strategizing to seize or retain the most power (or capital) - a right which is fundamental to being an American citizen. The only way around this would be for Convention politics to be governed by American law, which is made with capitalist interests in mind, and thus would get nowhere.
3. As with my point above, the DNC reserves the right to staff its organization however it sees fit. Unfortunately, a populace that has become complacent and mentally lazy has slowly had power usurped from them, moving towards fewer and fewer. The fact that this is now so abundantly clear is no fault of Hilary Clinton's - it is collectively the fault of the public for not having thought critically, spoken up, or mobilized to bring just and necessary change, in an effective fashion.
4. Same as #2. The Democratic Rules Committee is produced internally, and has that right. A lack of critical thinking has convinced America that since its inception, its populace could be adequately represented by two parties with two sets of opinions. This empowered those two parties to force tough choices on their voters - do I vote for the corrupt party which belittles my vote with superdelegates, or do I vote for the party which is anti-abortion?
My outrage is solely in the hands of the lazy and timid population we've become. We know more, but think and care less. With critical thought, we wouldn't be in this mess. Now that we are, to state that the problem is a candidate is a straw man attack: the problem is the system itself, and not knowing how to change it back does not justify criticizing the opportunist members of the system, which are the majority.
Meanwhile, you got people defending this broken system... and what are your ideas for fixing it besides just the third-party because that's not gonna just fall out of the sky and happen. We've seen with the two-party system does to third parties; take advantage of loopholes so they can cheat to win. Who's gonna dismantle gerrymandering? Who's gonna get money out of politics once and for all - not only to be brought back by HRC???0 -
Yawn. More excuses, changing subject, denial.rgambs said:
What does Howard Dean have to do with the several million more votes Clinton got over Sanders?Free said:
Actually they are. Howard Dean is on the record (That means factual People) for stating that as a SD he does not stand for the people and he will vote for who he wants. In other words, bought and paid for by HRC. If that's not fucking with the people of this country, I don't know what is. That is such a huge embarrassment to our election system, that it is well known that this election is bought and paid for by HRC and done so well in advance. What a travesty that people are more interested in the soap opera of Donald Trump.rgambs said:
The problem is not the facts posted, it's the conclusions drawn from them.Free said:
We could post facts up the Yin Yang and you would just excuse and defend away... it's kind of pathetic to be that kind of an apologist and I know you're not an apologist Hugh, but you're doing their work for them. There is so much shit going on for Hillary and you guys just keep apologizing...HughFreakingDillon said:
go back and read any of my (and anyone else's) 3 zillion responses to the same stuff you post. I've addressed all of what I know ad nauseum, but you just keep coming back with the same talking points. I don't need to go over this again.Free said:
How is massive cheating and rigging viaHughFreakingDillon said:
I have. and I'm getting sick and tired of the blatant generalization and false outrage.tonifig8 said:
Go through the other thread (now closed) or this one. Look for rational anti-Clinton post/comments - check the replies. You'll get to the bottom of stupid real quick. Better yet- check out the policy discussion(s). It's not that difficult. Even stupid can do it.HughFreakingDillon said:
maybe start addressing whomever it is you are referring to, and not the entire group as a whole. one person says they don't care about something, and out of your mouth "they" don't care or "all of them make excuses". it's getting stupid.tonifig8 said:
These clintonites keep making excuses. The fact that Clinton used this info is completely irrelevant to them- it's the fault of others, not Clinton. Never is it Clinton's. It's astonishing the amount of excuses we read on here. The denial factor is off the charts.JC29856 said:
Oh! Your making a distinction between Hilliary personally requesting the info versus her campaign seeking the info and her using it.PJ_Soul said:
No, I'm talking about the debate questions that were supposedly passed on to Hillary's campaign.JC29856 said:
I don't think anyone is blaming Hilliary, huma testified that all of the devices that contained emails were turned over, which the fbi learned isn't the case. The speculation is that there are emails contained on weiners notebook that were NOT turned over to investigators and that some may have been emails that were deleted "the 33,000".PJ_Soul said:
I don't know, but either way, I don't see how Hillary Clinton is to blame. I haven't seen anything showing that she requested the info.JC29856 said:
Yes legit, yesterday.tonifig8 said:
Is that recent tweet by Dona Brazile legit? The one that states, "Please God, Let this end soon"JC29856 said:http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/10/cnn-severs-ties-with-donna-brazile-230534
CLINTON NARRATIVE NETWORK fall "person" Brazile
I don't have twitter.....I'm assuming it's fake. Nonetheless, it's still hilarious.
Cnn said this: cnn never gave Brazile access to questions pre material attendee list background information or meetings in advance of town halls or debates.
So, Brazile obtained the questions "illegally", "stole" them or CNN is lying. I wonder if cnn will bother investigating how Brazile received the questions in advance? I wonder if they consider it interfering with elections?
When Arod tells his cousin he wants to get bigger and stronger and his cousin gets him steroids and he using them, it's not really on Arod because he never said "go get me steroids".
1. Changing rules regarding big money being donated to campaigns
2. Rigging the Democratic national convention against Bernie Sanders
3. Hiring damned DWS as special campaign manager
4. Manipulating election by using super delegates to win candidacy (and yeah after this year, superdelegates most likely will not be allowed anymore. They are already going through state review and getting rid of them. It is a democratic party loophole with that Republicans don't use.)
.."blatant generalization and false outrage."? That is just for examples, there are much more.
you are on a 4 point loop, all of which have been addressed time and again. time to change it up.
bernie lost. it sucks, but he lost. move on. the rest of us have. including him.
Superdelegates backing Clinton is not equal to a stolen election, and neither do any of the underhanded and shitty Clinton tactics equal a stolen election.
That is just a sore loser mentality. Sanders lost because people didn't vote for him, plain and simple. No amount of puling will explain that away.
How snowed are people to think that they have to be on the winning guy in order to be triumphant? ( Think Charlie sheen) when in reality we're all losers!! It has nothing to do with Bernie Sanders, it has everything to do with being an informed voter.
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you are so full of shit. to say that I live a life full of fear just goes to show you are so way off the target, all the while proclaiming you know everything and everyone else is a mark.Free said:
Oh, to live a life full of fear...
Only to find out that he was bullshitting us the whole time.
congratulations to you.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Don't get angry, Hugh, just going off what you wrote.
sorry if we are "scared shitless", but we give a shit. maybe you don't.HughFreakingDillon said:Free said:
No rage. But thanks for the shout out!
thanks for thinking of me, but I have no anger, unlike those scared shitless of a trump presidency... something that will never happen and never had a chance. But we must FEAR! And FALL IN LINE or else!! 
I sincerely hope you are correct, that it will never happen. looks like HRC is letting it slip away. hopefully not too far.
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Yawn? Full of shit? Who wants to be read-only first? Speak with respect or stop posting or you'll have to stop posting.Falling down,...not staying down0
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Free said:
Don't get angry, Hugh, just going off what you wrote.
sorry if we are "scared shitless", but we give a shit. maybe you don't.HughFreakingDillon said:Free said:
No rage. But thanks for the shout out! thanks for thinking of me, but I have no anger, unlike those scared shitless of a trump presidency... something that will never happen and never had a chance. But we must FEAR! And FALL IN LINE or else!!
I sincerely hope you are correct, that it will never happen. looks like HRC is letting it slip away. hopefully not too far.
ah, now the emotion projection begins. nicely done. you and godfather have the same trolling playbook I see.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
We'll see next week if Trump not only wins, (he won't), but even if he does he won't stay in that position.0
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