Syria and the US's Motive
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there are too many independent journalists on the planet to even bother with MSM. the only reason why I tune into MSM is to see what they aren't talking about.CM189191 said:
You can't trust everything from anyone. Of course every news story needs to be read with critical thinking and a grain of salt. In reality, 'MSM' is probably 75-90% delivery of factual news. The other 10-25% is dedicated to spin, discussion, debate, and other things that might be called 'bias'.polaris_x said:
ok ... so, if I say you can't trust everything from the mainstream media ... then how else am I supposed to post things? ... i also stated in those threads that I think critically about subjects ... i just don't subscribe to a thinking that is fed to me ...cottagesteeze said:
I'm just going to point out that you are making a huge fuss in the thread about Russia's influence on the election that news outlets shouldn't be trusted because they are trying to profit. And then you post something by "21stcenturywire.com".... Uhhhpolaris_x said:
so, feel free to read the article in the link and try to dispute any of it ... seriously, just try ... you're gonna end up like the norwegian journalist in the youtube video above ...
It becomes an issue when people use your logic to discredit everything the 'MSM' media says as lies. They are to be trusted 0%. Everything they say is propaganda. Then you logoff from 21stcenturywire.com and go put your laundry in the GE washer humming away reliably in your musty basement for the last 8 years.0 -
dude ... i said it at least 2 times in the other thread that I didn't say the msm lied all the time ... I also said that sometimes they don't even realize they are part of the propaganda machine ... they just report what's given to them ...CM189191 said:
You can't trust everything from anyone. Of course every news story needs to be read with critical thinking and a grain of salt. In reality, 'MSM' is probably 75-90% delivery of factual news. The other 10-25% is dedicated to spin, discussion, debate, and other things that might be called 'bias'.polaris_x said:
ok ... so, if I say you can't trust everything from the mainstream media ... then how else am I supposed to post things? ... i also stated in those threads that I think critically about subjects ... i just don't subscribe to a thinking that is fed to me ...cottagesteeze said:
I'm just going to point out that you are making a huge fuss in the thread about Russia's influence on the election that news outlets shouldn't be trusted because they are trying to profit. And then you post something by "21stcenturywire.com".... Uhhhpolaris_x said:
so, feel free to read the article in the link and try to dispute any of it ... seriously, just try ... you're gonna end up like the norwegian journalist in the youtube video above ...
It becomes an issue when people use your logic to discredit everything the 'MSM' media says as lies. They are to be trusted 0%. Everything they say is propaganda. Then you logoff from 21stcenturywire.com and go put your laundry in the GE washer humming away reliably in your musty basement for the last 8 years.0 -
think critically, be objective and come to your own conclusions ...HughFreakingDillon said:interesting. I had not heard of the white helmets until yesterday, when i was watching CNN. Brooke Baldwin was doing a piece on the broken ceasefire in Syria, and then transitions to a trailer for the film on the white helmets. it seemed like she was almost doing an advertisement for the film.
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and most of all stay anti-Americanpolaris_x said:
think critically, be objective and come to your own conclusions ...HughFreakingDillon said:interesting. I had not heard of the white helmets until yesterday, when i was watching CNN. Brooke Baldwin was doing a piece on the broken ceasefire in Syria, and then transitions to a trailer for the film on the white helmets. it seemed like she was almost doing an advertisement for the film.
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Triggered!!!BS44325 said:
and most of all stay anti-Americanpolaris_x said:
think critically, be objective and come to your own conclusions ...HughFreakingDillon said:interesting. I had not heard of the white helmets until yesterday, when i was watching CNN. Brooke Baldwin was doing a piece on the broken ceasefire in Syria, and then transitions to a trailer for the film on the white helmets. it seemed like she was almost doing an advertisement for the film.
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feel free to post thoughtful points or facts to go against anything I've written ... or continue to troll ... all cool with me ... i can ignore people like yourself easily ...BS44325 said:
and most of all stay anti-Americanpolaris_x said:
think critically, be objective and come to your own conclusions ...HughFreakingDillon said:interesting. I had not heard of the white helmets until yesterday, when i was watching CNN. Brooke Baldwin was doing a piece on the broken ceasefire in Syria, and then transitions to a trailer for the film on the white helmets. it seemed like she was almost doing an advertisement for the film.
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I would be happy too. I read your 21st century link and correct me if I'm wrong but from my understanding you are currently blaming the US and NATO for the destruction in Syria. Combine this with your past statements and it seems that you have a pro-Assad view of things. Am I wrong? Other then a general adherence to the belief that Western actions are the root of all evil I am not exactly sure what type of Syria policy you are advocating for? Or just ignore me... all cool with me...polaris_x said:
feel free to post thoughtful points or facts to go against anything I've written ... or continue to troll ... all cool with me ... i can ignore people like yourself easily ...BS44325 said:
and most of all stay anti-Americanpolaris_x said:
think critically, be objective and come to your own conclusions ...HughFreakingDillon said:interesting. I had not heard of the white helmets until yesterday, when i was watching CNN. Brooke Baldwin was doing a piece on the broken ceasefire in Syria, and then transitions to a trailer for the film on the white helmets. it seemed like she was almost doing an advertisement for the film.
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that's hipster talk!JC29856 said:
there are too many independent journalists on the planet to even bother with MSM. the only reason why I tune into MSM is to see what they aren't talking about.CM189191 said:
You can't trust everything from anyone. Of course every news story needs to be read with critical thinking and a grain of salt. In reality, 'MSM' is probably 75-90% delivery of factual news. The other 10-25% is dedicated to spin, discussion, debate, and other things that might be called 'bias'.polaris_x said:
ok ... so, if I say you can't trust everything from the mainstream media ... then how else am I supposed to post things? ... i also stated in those threads that I think critically about subjects ... i just don't subscribe to a thinking that is fed to me ...cottagesteeze said:
I'm just going to point out that you are making a huge fuss in the thread about Russia's influence on the election that news outlets shouldn't be trusted because they are trying to profit. And then you post something by "21stcenturywire.com".... Uhhhpolaris_x said:
so, feel free to read the article in the link and try to dispute any of it ... seriously, just try ... you're gonna end up like the norwegian journalist in the youtube video above ...
It becomes an issue when people use your logic to discredit everything the 'MSM' media says as lies. They are to be trusted 0%. Everything they say is propaganda. Then you logoff from 21stcenturywire.com and go put your laundry in the GE washer humming away reliably in your musty basement for the last 8 years.
I only listen to independent journalists, you wouldn't have heard of them.0 -
GERN-BERN!!!!!!CM189191 said:
that's hipster talk!JC29856 said:
there are too many independent journalists on the planet to even bother with MSM. the only reason why I tune into MSM is to see what they aren't talking about.CM189191 said:
You can't trust everything from anyone. Of course every news story needs to be read with critical thinking and a grain of salt. In reality, 'MSM' is probably 75-90% delivery of factual news. The other 10-25% is dedicated to spin, discussion, debate, and other things that might be called 'bias'.polaris_x said:
ok ... so, if I say you can't trust everything from the mainstream media ... then how else am I supposed to post things? ... i also stated in those threads that I think critically about subjects ... i just don't subscribe to a thinking that is fed to me ...cottagesteeze said:
I'm just going to point out that you are making a huge fuss in the thread about Russia's influence on the election that news outlets shouldn't be trusted because they are trying to profit. And then you post something by "21stcenturywire.com".... Uhhhpolaris_x said:
so, feel free to read the article in the link and try to dispute any of it ... seriously, just try ... you're gonna end up like the norwegian journalist in the youtube video above ...
It becomes an issue when people use your logic to discredit everything the 'MSM' media says as lies. They are to be trusted 0%. Everything they say is propaganda. Then you logoff from 21stcenturywire.com and go put your laundry in the GE washer humming away reliably in your musty basement for the last 8 years.
I only listen to independent journalists, you wouldn't have heard of them.0 -
I do my best. I honestly don't know how some of you folks find the time to have so much insight into world affairs. I spend a lot of time on AMT trying to play catch up.polaris_x said:
think critically, be objective and come to your own conclusions ...HughFreakingDillon said:interesting. I had not heard of the white helmets until yesterday, when i was watching CNN. Brooke Baldwin was doing a piece on the broken ceasefire in Syria, and then transitions to a trailer for the film on the white helmets. it seemed like she was almost doing an advertisement for the film.
By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
NATO? ... where is NATO? ... but ya ... this is a US, Saudi and Israeli led overthrow of a sovereign country ... i may not necessarily agree with Assad's policies but I believe that sovereign countries have a right to self-determination and that arming and funding mercenaries in foreign lands is wrong ... especially wrong when it results in the killing and displacement of many people ...BS44325 said:
I would be happy too. I read your 21st century link and correct me if I'm wrong but from my understanding you are currently blaming the US and NATO for the destruction in Syria. Combine this with your past statements and it seems that you have a pro-Assad view of things. Am I wrong? Other then a general adherence to the belief that Western actions are the root of all evil I am not exactly sure what type of Syria policy you are advocating for? Or just ignore me... all cool with me...polaris_x said:
feel free to post thoughtful points or facts to go against anything I've written ... or continue to troll ... all cool with me ... i can ignore people like yourself easily ...BS44325 said:
and most of all stay anti-Americanpolaris_x said:
think critically, be objective and come to your own conclusions ...HughFreakingDillon said:interesting. I had not heard of the white helmets until yesterday, when i was watching CNN. Brooke Baldwin was doing a piece on the broken ceasefire in Syria, and then transitions to a trailer for the film on the white helmets. it seemed like she was almost doing an advertisement for the film.
I don't, in general, support western intervention in matters such as this because it has been proven that the primary purpose is for economic imperialistic reasons ... this is not tinfoil stuff ... this is documented history and fact ... just read the history of US involvement in cuba, iran, honduras, vietnam, chile, etc ...0 -
Where's NATO? Uhhh...that is from the 21st Century Wire article that you linked on the White Helmets. It is right there in the second paragraph: "multi-million dollar US & NATO state-funded first repsonder ‘NGO,’ with state of the art equipment supplied by the US and the EU via Turkey". Maybe you should read your own article before asking the rest of us too. Either way thanks for confirming my understanding of your general views on Syria...let the genocide continue.polaris_x said:
NATO? ... where is NATO? ... but ya ... this is a US, Saudi and Israeli led overthrow of a sovereign country ... i may not necessarily agree with Assad's policies but I believe that sovereign countries have a right to self-determination and that arming and funding mercenaries in foreign lands is wrong ... especially wrong when it results in the killing and displacement of many people ...BS44325 said:
I would be happy too. I read your 21st century link and correct me if I'm wrong but from my understanding you are currently blaming the US and NATO for the destruction in Syria. Combine this with your past statements and it seems that you have a pro-Assad view of things. Am I wrong? Other then a general adherence to the belief that Western actions are the root of all evil I am not exactly sure what type of Syria policy you are advocating for? Or just ignore me... all cool with me...polaris_x said:
feel free to post thoughtful points or facts to go against anything I've written ... or continue to troll ... all cool with me ... i can ignore people like yourself easily ...BS44325 said:
and most of all stay anti-Americanpolaris_x said:
think critically, be objective and come to your own conclusions ...HughFreakingDillon said:interesting. I had not heard of the white helmets until yesterday, when i was watching CNN. Brooke Baldwin was doing a piece on the broken ceasefire in Syria, and then transitions to a trailer for the film on the white helmets. it seemed like she was almost doing an advertisement for the film.
I don't, in general, support western intervention in matters such as this because it has been proven that the primary purpose is for economic imperialistic reasons ... this is not tinfoil stuff ... this is documented history and fact ... just read the history of US involvement in cuba, iran, honduras, vietnam, chile, etc ...0 -
Obama admin $1billion arms and training to al qaeda rebel groups0
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Fake news alert: cbs 60 minutes segment on white helmets!0
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Money is what drove the problem in syria.BS44325 said:
No. Sorry. American and/or western foreign policy does not drive today's terrorism. No. Radical Islamic ideology drives terrorism. The ideology existed before the United States of America was ever a country. The difference now is that the ideology has global reach and 21st century technology at it's disposal. You are terribly wrong. Terribly, terribly wrong. Unquestionably terribly wrong.JC29856 said:
Engine that drives terrorism, unquestionablyBS44325 said:
The US is not the father of terrorism. Not under this President or any other. The truth shows that.polaris_x said:"the US policy on Syria, regime change, is not wrong in its details, it is wrong in its fundamentals ... it is wrong root and branch ... it violates the UN charter ... it violates International law ... the US is bombing parts of Syria without the consent of legitimate gov't ... the sanctions violate International law"
i find it utterly sad that so many clinton supporters continue to ignore the massive elephant in the room ... the US has been at war every day of Obama's administration ... the US continues to enact a foreign policy that serves big multi national interests while all the while BREEDING terrorism all around the world ... the US is the father of terrorism ... so, while everyone fights about the honour of a song or a flag ... know that the truth shows there is no honour in either of them ... only suffering and greed ...
"the United States is not doing the right thing in Syria. Arming, training and funding Islamic extremists — that have killed half a million people, displaced 7 million more and turned the country into an uninhabitable wastelands –is not the right thing. It is the wrong thing, the immoral thing. And the US is involved in this conflict for all the wrong reasons, the foremost of which is gas. The US wants to install a puppet regime in Damascus so it can secure pipeline corridors in the East, oversee the transport of vital energy reserves from Qatar to the EU, and make sure that those reserves continue to be denominated in US Dollars that are recycled into US Treasuries and US financial assets. This is the basic recipe for maintaining US dominance in the Middle East and for extending America’s imperial grip on global power into the future."
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/09/15/assads-death-warrant/will myself to find a home, a home within myself
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i think when people dig deep on syria - they will see the truth because everything has to reconcile ... the scary part in this whole thing is the complicity of the mainstream media in perpetuating these narratives ... it's not surprising when you think of it ... the underlying hatred of muslims in the US was fostered by the mainstream media ... the demonization of any leftitst populist leader ...Degeneratefk said:
Money is what drove the problem in syria.BS44325 said:
No. Sorry. American and/or western foreign policy does not drive today's terrorism. No. Radical Islamic ideology drives terrorism. The ideology existed before the United States of America was ever a country. The difference now is that the ideology has global reach and 21st century technology at it's disposal. You are terribly wrong. Terribly, terribly wrong. Unquestionably terribly wrong.JC29856 said:
Engine that drives terrorism, unquestionablyBS44325 said:
The US is not the father of terrorism. Not under this President or any other. The truth shows that.polaris_x said:"the US policy on Syria, regime change, is not wrong in its details, it is wrong in its fundamentals ... it is wrong root and branch ... it violates the UN charter ... it violates International law ... the US is bombing parts of Syria without the consent of legitimate gov't ... the sanctions violate International law"
i find it utterly sad that so many clinton supporters continue to ignore the massive elephant in the room ... the US has been at war every day of Obama's administration ... the US continues to enact a foreign policy that serves big multi national interests while all the while BREEDING terrorism all around the world ... the US is the father of terrorism ... so, while everyone fights about the honour of a song or a flag ... know that the truth shows there is no honour in either of them ... only suffering and greed ...
"the United States is not doing the right thing in Syria. Arming, training and funding Islamic extremists — that have killed half a million people, displaced 7 million more and turned the country into an uninhabitable wastelands –is not the right thing. It is the wrong thing, the immoral thing. And the US is involved in this conflict for all the wrong reasons, the foremost of which is gas. The US wants to install a puppet regime in Damascus so it can secure pipeline corridors in the East, oversee the transport of vital energy reserves from Qatar to the EU, and make sure that those reserves continue to be denominated in US Dollars that are recycled into US Treasuries and US financial assets. This is the basic recipe for maintaining US dominance in the Middle East and for extending America’s imperial grip on global power into the future."
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/09/15/assads-death-warrant/
http://www.alternet.org/world/inside-shadowy-pr-firm-thats-driving-western-opinion-towards-regime-change-syria0 -
my point with my "where's nato" is this is a US-led mission ... NATO is a joke ... i suppose I should have figured you would take it like that and ignore everything else ... notice that you don't actually respond to any facts or discussion points ... you want an out of this issue - go for it ... but, don't try and pretend like you either care for the syrian people or know anything about what is going on there ... because you have essentially shown that you don't ...BS44325 said:
Where's NATO? Uhhh...that is from the 21st Century Wire article that you linked on the White Helmets. It is right there in the second paragraph: "multi-million dollar US & NATO state-funded first repsonder ‘NGO,’ with state of the art equipment supplied by the US and the EU via Turkey". Maybe you should read your own article before asking the rest of us too. Either way thanks for confirming my understanding of your general views on Syria...let the genocide continue.polaris_x said:
NATO? ... where is NATO? ... but ya ... this is a US, Saudi and Israeli led overthrow of a sovereign country ... i may not necessarily agree with Assad's policies but I believe that sovereign countries have a right to self-determination and that arming and funding mercenaries in foreign lands is wrong ... especially wrong when it results in the killing and displacement of many people ...BS44325 said:
I would be happy too. I read your 21st century link and correct me if I'm wrong but from my understanding you are currently blaming the US and NATO for the destruction in Syria. Combine this with your past statements and it seems that you have a pro-Assad view of things. Am I wrong? Other then a general adherence to the belief that Western actions are the root of all evil I am not exactly sure what type of Syria policy you are advocating for? Or just ignore me... all cool with me...polaris_x said:
feel free to post thoughtful points or facts to go against anything I've written ... or continue to troll ... all cool with me ... i can ignore people like yourself easily ...BS44325 said:
and most of all stay anti-Americanpolaris_x said:
think critically, be objective and come to your own conclusions ...HughFreakingDillon said:interesting. I had not heard of the white helmets until yesterday, when i was watching CNN. Brooke Baldwin was doing a piece on the broken ceasefire in Syria, and then transitions to a trailer for the film on the white helmets. it seemed like she was almost doing an advertisement for the film.
I don't, in general, support western intervention in matters such as this because it has been proven that the primary purpose is for economic imperialistic reasons ... this is not tinfoil stuff ... this is documented history and fact ... just read the history of US involvement in cuba, iran, honduras, vietnam, chile, etc ...0 -
Gunman and fake news...nope not pizzagate
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russian-ambassador-shot-gunman-we-die-in-aleppo-ankara-assassination-a7484966.html0 -
https://www.apnews.com/bb8a9f040da24d1fb89d4b018614a58e
Killer standing behing in picture
https://www.rt.com/news/324263-russia-briefing-isis-funding/
http://tass.com/politics/920319Post edited by JC29856 on0
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