Syria and the US's Motive
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Whatever makes you feel better about the atrocities committed against "your people". I'm all for healing, have at it.mrussel1 said:
Hey Lenin....did you forget about Trotsky? Tomsky? How many people that posed a threat to the Soviets and were killed would you like me to list? It's a long list before we even leave Russia.JC29856 said:
dont forget the almighty dollar as world currency, the second anyone poses a threat. they end up ded... way back to JFK to more recently Saddam and Gadhafi.polaris_x said:
oh no ... you can be sure you invented it ...mrussel1 said:
Rise of extremism? It's not like we invented Muslim extremism. It was suppressed by brutal dictators. Weird that you're defending that.polaris_x said:
not even close ... when you factor in the following:mrussel1 said:I don't need to believe anything. I know damn well the US is imperialistic. But to say or excuse Russia's abhorrent behavior in the 20th century and say the US is worse is delusional and completely blind in the other direction. For every My Lai, there are 20 Katyn's that happened every day, orchestrated by the Soviets.
* rise of al qaeda and ISIS
* rise of extremism
* overthrow of democratic and sovereign countries in latin america and the middle east
* continued support of israel's occupation and human rights violations in palestine
not sure how anyone can say russia is worse ... not even close
the middle east was once a global jewel ... full of culture and history ... then you guys decide that you want to control the oil and all hell broke loose ...
think about it for a second ... you guys spend more on defence than the NEXT 26 countries combined ... what for? ... you don't really believe people hate america because of big macs and the fact you can watch dr. phil on tv do ya? ... the military industrial complex is real ... war profiteering is real ... any country that's dependent on war and death to spur an economy is evil ... PERIOD ...
No wonder you were such a staunch Hilliary supportor, you couldn't wait to cheer on war with the killers and butchers. Would it have been revenge? Im assuming your post election sabbatical was due to the bureaucratic de-enlistment hoops you had to jump thru after Hilliary lost and so did eventual war with Russia.0 -
I said multiple times that I never believed that we would escalate to war. It would be economic war if anything or a proxy . But if you're accusing me of supporting Hillary and her Russian position vs. Trump and his school girl crush....then you're goddamn right!JC29856 said:
Whatever makes you feel better about the atrocities committed against "your people". I'm all for healing, have at it.mrussel1 said:
Hey Lenin....did you forget about Trotsky? Tomsky? How many people that posed a threat to the Soviets and were killed would you like me to list? It's a long list before we even leave Russia.JC29856 said:
dont forget the almighty dollar as world currency, the second anyone poses a threat. they end up ded... way back to JFK to more recently Saddam and Gadhafi.polaris_x said:
oh no ... you can be sure you invented it ...mrussel1 said:
Rise of extremism? It's not like we invented Muslim extremism. It was suppressed by brutal dictators. Weird that you're defending that.polaris_x said:
not even close ... when you factor in the following:mrussel1 said:I don't need to believe anything. I know damn well the US is imperialistic. But to say or excuse Russia's abhorrent behavior in the 20th century and say the US is worse is delusional and completely blind in the other direction. For every My Lai, there are 20 Katyn's that happened every day, orchestrated by the Soviets.
* rise of al qaeda and ISIS
* rise of extremism
* overthrow of democratic and sovereign countries in latin america and the middle east
* continued support of israel's occupation and human rights violations in palestine
not sure how anyone can say russia is worse ... not even close
the middle east was once a global jewel ... full of culture and history ... then you guys decide that you want to control the oil and all hell broke loose ...
think about it for a second ... you guys spend more on defence than the NEXT 26 countries combined ... what for? ... you don't really believe people hate america because of big macs and the fact you can watch dr. phil on tv do ya? ... the military industrial complex is real ... war profiteering is real ... any country that's dependent on war and death to spur an economy is evil ... PERIOD ...
No wonder you were such a staunch Hilliary supportor, you couldn't wait to cheer on war with the killers and butchers. Would it have been revenge? Im assuming your post election sabbatical was due to the bureaucratic de-enlistment hoops you had to jump thru after Hilliary lost and so did eventual war with Russia.0 -
WTF are bureaucratic de-enlistment hoops,0
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I'm no Russian apologist. If they won the Cold War and were the ones expanding their empire unabated for the last 30 years, encircling North America with military bases and intercepting missiles and starting a new arms race, they'd be the ones I was bitching about.0
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https://www.rt.com/news/372027-russian-mine-swipers-aleppo/
“The munitions we found were German, American, Bulgarian... The amount they had was somewhat disconcerting,” Maj. Ivan Gromov, a bomb disposal squad leader said.
The munition pictured looks like sarin gas.Post edited by JC29856 on0 -
A quote by a Russian officer? That's compelling for whatever argument you're making. It's weird that they wouldn't find any Russian munitions since the Russians were arming the Syrians. Maybe their munitions are self dissolving.JC29856 said:https://www.rt.com/news/372027-russian-mine-swipers-aleppo/
“The munitions we found were German, American, Bulgarian... The amount they had was somewhat disconcerting,” Maj. Ivan Gromov, a bomb disposal squad leader said.
The munition pictured looks like sarin gas.0 -
It may have something to do with moderate rebel munitions and where they are looking.mrussel1 said:
A quote by a Russian officer? That's compelling for whatever argument you're making. It's weird that they wouldn't find any Russian munitions since the Russians were arming the Syrians. Maybe their munitions are self dissolving.JC29856 said:https://www.rt.com/news/372027-russian-mine-swipers-aleppo/
“The munitions we found were German, American, Bulgarian... The amount they had was somewhat disconcerting,” Maj. Ivan Gromov, a bomb disposal squad leader said.
The munition pictured looks like sarin gas.
Russian bomb disposal teams are continuing to sweep schools and mosques of Aleppo for booby-traps, mines and munitions after they were wrested from rebel control.
They reported 2,149 building in and near Aleppo as safe, including 44 schools, 38 mosques, 10 medical facilities and other crucial civilian infrastructure.0 -
And I love how you read and quote official Russian news as evidence. Just because it's not operating under the original name of Pravda doesn't mean it ain't Pravda.0
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Russians arming Syrians!!!mrussel1 said:
A quote by a Russian officer? That's compelling for whatever argument you're making. It's weird that they wouldn't find any Russian munitions since the Russians were arming the Syrians. Maybe their munitions are self dissolving.JC29856 said:https://www.rt.com/news/372027-russian-mine-swipers-aleppo/
“The munitions we found were German, American, Bulgarian... The amount they had was somewhat disconcerting,” Maj. Ivan Gromov, a bomb disposal squad leader said.
The munition pictured looks like sarin gas.
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More Pravda? You're a riot. You read Russian Today and think you have the truth. What a joke.JC29856 said:
Russians arming Syrians!!!mrussel1 said:
A quote by a Russian officer? That's compelling for whatever argument you're making. It's weird that they wouldn't find any Russian munitions since the Russians were arming the Syrians. Maybe their munitions are self dissolving.JC29856 said:https://www.rt.com/news/372027-russian-mine-swipers-aleppo/
“The munitions we found were German, American, Bulgarian... The amount they had was somewhat disconcerting,” Maj. Ivan Gromov, a bomb disposal squad leader said.
The munition pictured looks like sarin gas.0 -
Enlighten us.mrussel1 said:
More Pravda? You're a riot. You read Russian Today and think you have the truth. What a joke.JC29856 said:
Russians arming Syrians!!!mrussel1 said:
A quote by a Russian officer? That's compelling for whatever argument you're making. It's weird that they wouldn't find any Russian munitions since the Russians were arming the Syrians. Maybe their munitions are self dissolving.JC29856 said:https://www.rt.com/news/372027-russian-mine-swipers-aleppo/
“The munitions we found were German, American, Bulgarian... The amount they had was somewhat disconcerting,” Maj. Ivan Gromov, a bomb disposal squad leader said.
The munition pictured looks like sarin gas.
You should at least provide some details on pravda if you're going to refer to it twice in as many posts.0 -
Soviet era propaganda newspaper. It's Russian for Truth.JC29856 said:
Enlighten us.mrussel1 said:
More Pravda? You're a riot. You read Russian Today and think you have the truth. What a joke.JC29856 said:
Russians arming Syrians!!!mrussel1 said:
A quote by a Russian officer? That's compelling for whatever argument you're making. It's weird that they wouldn't find any Russian munitions since the Russians were arming the Syrians. Maybe their munitions are self dissolving.JC29856 said:https://www.rt.com/news/372027-russian-mine-swipers-aleppo/
“The munitions we found were German, American, Bulgarian... The amount they had was somewhat disconcerting,” Maj. Ivan Gromov, a bomb disposal squad leader said.
The munition pictured looks like sarin gas.
You should at least provide some details on pravda if you're going to refer to it twice in as many posts.0 -
Is there US-era propaganda? I'll take RT over CNN, FOX, or MSNBC any day.0
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Right... State controlled media is always the way to go. That's a good lesson. You think Watergate gets exposed in Russia? My Lai? Iran Contra?Drowned Out said:Is there US-era propaganda? I'll take RT over CNN, FOX, or MSNBC any day.
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Please. The same corps that own US media own the US govt. what's the difference? I'd also take the BBC or CBC over the US stations I mentioned.mrussel1 said:
Right... State controlled media is always the way to go. That's a good lesson. You think Watergate gets exposed in Russia? My Lai? Iran Contra?Drowned Out said:Is there US-era propaganda? I'll take RT over CNN, FOX, or MSNBC any day.
Is there US propaganda?
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Of course there is propaganda. That's a dumb question. But there is a world of difference between BBC and Pravda or RT. Just because the US media flawed doesn't make the polar opposite good.Drowned Out said:
Please. The same corps that own US media own the US govt. what's the difference? I'd also take the BBC or CBC over the US stations I mentioned.mrussel1 said:
Right... State controlled media is always the way to go. That's a good lesson. You think Watergate gets exposed in Russia? My Lai? Iran Contra?Drowned Out said:Is there US-era propaganda? I'll take RT over CNN, FOX, or MSNBC any day.
Is there US propaganda?
And you don't think the British or Canadian govt doesn't also feed bbc or CBC propaganda?Post edited by mrussel1 on0 -
Oh...and do you think the oligarchs in Russia are independent from the govt? The government is 100% controlling of business interests. Is that better to you? Is it better that if you run afoul of Putin he jails you and breaks up your company to himself and the other oligarchs?Drowned Out said:
Please. The same corps that own US media own the US govt. what's the difference? I'd also take the BBC or CBC over the US stations I mentioned.mrussel1 said:
Right... State controlled media is always the way to go. That's a good lesson. You think Watergate gets exposed in Russia? My Lai? Iran Contra?Drowned Out said:Is there US-era propaganda? I'll take RT over CNN, FOX, or MSNBC any day.
Is there US propaganda?
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I never said anything good about Pravda. RT is not Pravda.
They are no more polar opposites than CNN and FOX. At least as it pertains to international news, RT is way ahead. It has actual informed guests on each side of a debate their talk shows....US stations like to parade out establishment speakers and phony terrorism experts.
But again...this is because of the current state of affairs. It's easy for RT to have honest reporting because honest criticism of the US is all they need to support their position.
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You're moving the goal posts. As per. But no, it's not better.mrussel1 said:
Oh...and do you think the oligarchs in Russia are independent from the govt? The government is 100% controlling of business interests. Is that better to you? Is it better that if you run afoul of Putin he jails you and breaks up your company to himself and the other oligarchs?Drowned Out said:
Please. The same corps that own US media own the US govt. what's the difference? I'd also take the BBC or CBC over the US stations I mentioned.mrussel1 said:
Right... State controlled media is always the way to go. That's a good lesson. You think Watergate gets exposed in Russia? My Lai? Iran Contra?Drowned Out said:Is there US-era propaganda? I'll take RT over CNN, FOX, or MSNBC any day.
Is there US propaganda?0 -
RT and honest reporting. Ha. What a fucking joke. I agree that CNN and all of the 24 news stations are shit. But it's not because they are controlled by the government, it's because their raison d'etre is capitalism so they are focused on ratings and entertainment ahead of actual news. When those two meet, then yeah.. great. But RT is an arm of the Kremlin. How about this...Drowned Out said:I never said anything good about Pravda. RT is not Pravda.
They are no more polar opposites than CNN and FOX. At least as it pertains to international news, RT is way ahead. It has actual informed guests on each side of a debate their talk shows....US stations like to parade out establishment speakers and phony terrorism experts.
But again...this is because of the current state of affairs. It's easy for RT to have honest reporting because honest criticism of the US is all they need to support their position.
here's a nice little article about Putin and how he took down the owner of Yukos, as I mentioned above. Think something like this gets published on RT? http://www.vanityfair.com/news/politics/2012/04/vladimir-putin-mikhail-khodorkovsky-russia
Yes, the Vanity Fair.. the same magazine in which Seymour Hersh wrote for..and exposed My Lai, illegal Cambodian bombings, Abu Gharib, etc. Do you think Vanity Fair gets to exist in Mother Russia? No fucking way.0
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