Does White Privilege Exist?

mcgruff10

Serious question: why can we have BET, black history month and all black colleges but white pride is deemed racist?
It s a question i ve asked myself many times over the years. And I could care less there is bet and I teach one heck of a civil rights unit every year. Just playing devils advocate.

Go Beavers

Yes

mcgruff10 said:

Serious question: why can we have BET, black history month and all black colleges but white pride is deemed racist?
It s a question i ve asked myself many times over the years. And I could care less there is bet and I teach one heck of a civil rights unit every year. Just playing devils advocate.

You teach a civil rights unit and you don't know the answer to this (maybe you really are playing, because people genuinely ask this quesiton)? Being a minority group that's been discriminated against and sidelined, degraded, and devalued, the groups have developed things specific to their group within the majority culture in order to survive, provide safety, and a way to advance. Black colleges are a direct result of segregation. White pride is deemed racist, because it's a reaction to advancement and greater equality of minorities in a attempt to hold them back. Whites are also basically celebrated all the time at every step. Whites who do have a connection to their ethnicity can take part in being proud about that culture (Italian, Irish, etc.).

brianlux

Yes

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Serious question: why can we have BET, black history month and all black colleges but white pride is deemed racist?
It s a question i ve asked myself many times over the years. And I could care less there is bet and I teach one heck of a civil rights unit every year. Just playing devils advocate.

You teach a civil rights unit and you don't know the answer to this (maybe you really are playing, because people genuinely ask this quesiton)? Being a minority group that's been discriminated against and sidelined, degraded, and devalued, the groups have developed things specific to their group within the majority culture in order to survive, provide safety, and a way to advance. Black colleges are a direct result of segregation. White pride is deemed racist, because it's a reaction to advancement and greater equality of minorities in a attempt to hold them back. Whites are also basically celebrated all the time at every step. Whites who do have a connection to their ethnicity can take part in being proud about that culture (Italian, Irish, etc.).

Great answer to a equally good, if provocative, question.

A glaring example of what you said about whites basically being celebrated at every step would be this upcoming so-called "celebration" of Columbus Day in eight days. How is it we still celebrate Christopher Columbus, a white man who was responsible for the enslavement and eventual genocide of the native Taino people of Hispaniola? A man who had the hands of slaves amputated and then left them die because they didn't bring him enough gold? How is it even possible we still celebrate that man, his people, their actions?

unsung

No

People that live in the past...

mcgruff10

brianlux said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Serious question: why can we have BET, black history month and all black colleges but white pride is deemed racist?
It s a question i ve asked myself many times over the years. And I could care less there is bet and I teach one heck of a civil rights unit every year. Just playing devils advocate.

You teach a civil rights unit and you don't know the answer to this (maybe you really are playing, because people genuinely ask this quesiton)? Being a minority group that's been discriminated against and sidelined, degraded, and devalued, the groups have developed things specific to their group within the majority culture in order to survive, provide safety, and a way to advance. Black colleges are a direct result of segregation. White pride is deemed racist, because it's a reaction to advancement and greater equality of minorities in a attempt to hold them back. Whites are also basically celebrated all the time at every step. Whites who do have a connection to their ethnicity can take part in being proud about that culture (Italian, Irish, etc.).

Great answer to a equally good, if provocative, question.

A glaring example of what you said about whites basically being celebrated at every step would be this upcoming so-called "celebration" of Columbus Day in eight days. How is it we still celebrate Christopher Columbus, a white man who was responsible for the enslavement and eventual genocide of the native Taino people of Hispaniola? A man who had the hands of slaves amputated and then left them die because they didn't bring him enough gold? How is it even possible we still celebrate that man, his people, their actions?

I wasn't trying to be provocative at all. Every year I teach the Civil Rights Movement (going on 15 years) two or three kids always ask me a question along the lines of: isn't it reverse discrimination to have all black colleges or BET? Doesn't that go against the Civil Rights Act? Why isn't there a white history month?

Brian, I totally agree with you on Christopher Columbus.

oftenreading

Yes

mcgruff10 said:

brianlux said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Serious question: why can we have BET, black history month and all black colleges but white pride is deemed racist?
It s a question i ve asked myself many times over the years. And I could care less there is bet and I teach one heck of a civil rights unit every year. Just playing devils advocate.

You teach a civil rights unit and you don't know the answer to this (maybe you really are playing, because people genuinely ask this quesiton)? Being a minority group that's been discriminated against and sidelined, degraded, and devalued, the groups have developed things specific to their group within the majority culture in order to survive, provide safety, and a way to advance. Black colleges are a direct result of segregation. White pride is deemed racist, because it's a reaction to advancement and greater equality of minorities in a attempt to hold them back. Whites are also basically celebrated all the time at every step. Whites who do have a connection to their ethnicity can take part in being proud about that culture (Italian, Irish, etc.).

Great answer to a equally good, if provocative, question.

A glaring example of what you said about whites basically being celebrated at every step would be this upcoming so-called "celebration" of Columbus Day in eight days. How is it we still celebrate Christopher Columbus, a white man who was responsible for the enslavement and eventual genocide of the native Taino people of Hispaniola? A man who had the hands of slaves amputated and then left them die because they didn't bring him enough gold? How is it even possible we still celebrate that man, his people, their actions?

I wasn't trying to be provocative at all. Every year I teach the Civil Rights Movement (going on 15 years) two or three kids always ask me a question along the lines of: isn't it reverse discrimination to have all black colleges or BET? Doesn't that go against the Civil Rights Act? Why isn't there a white history month?

Brian, I totally agree with you on Christopher Columbus.

How have you typically answered those kids, mcgruff? I'm interested.

mcgruff10

oftenreading said:

mcgruff10 said:

brianlux said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Serious question: why can we have BET, black history month and all black colleges but white pride is deemed racist?
It s a question i ve asked myself many times over the years. And I could care less there is bet and I teach one heck of a civil rights unit every year. Just playing devils advocate.

You teach a civil rights unit and you don't know the answer to this (maybe you really are playing, because people genuinely ask this quesiton)? Being a minority group that's been discriminated against and sidelined, degraded, and devalued, the groups have developed things specific to their group within the majority culture in order to survive, provide safety, and a way to advance. Black colleges are a direct result of segregation. White pride is deemed racist, because it's a reaction to advancement and greater equality of minorities in a attempt to hold them back. Whites are also basically celebrated all the time at every step. Whites who do have a connection to their ethnicity can take part in being proud about that culture (Italian, Irish, etc.).

Great answer to a equally good, if provocative, question.

A glaring example of what you said about whites basically being celebrated at every step would be this upcoming so-called "celebration" of Columbus Day in eight days. How is it we still celebrate Christopher Columbus, a white man who was responsible for the enslavement and eventual genocide of the native Taino people of Hispaniola? A man who had the hands of slaves amputated and then left them die because they didn't bring him enough gold? How is it even possible we still celebrate that man, his people, their actions?

I wasn't trying to be provocative at all. Every year I teach the Civil Rights Movement (going on 15 years) two or three kids always ask me a question along the lines of: isn't it reverse discrimination to have all black colleges or BET? Doesn't that go against the Civil Rights Act? Why isn't there a white history month?

Brian, I totally agree with you on Christopher Columbus.

How have you typically answered those kids, mcgruff? I'm interested.

oh yeah I answer every question. I teach end of the Civil War to the present so I get lots of good questions during the school year.

oftenreading

Yes

mcgruff10 said:

oftenreading said:

mcgruff10 said:

brianlux said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Serious question: why can we have BET, black history month and all black colleges but white pride is deemed racist?
It s a question i ve asked myself many times over the years. And I could care less there is bet and I teach one heck of a civil rights unit every year. Just playing devils advocate.

You teach a civil rights unit and you don't know the answer to this (maybe you really are playing, because people genuinely ask this quesiton)? Being a minority group that's been discriminated against and sidelined, degraded, and devalued, the groups have developed things specific to their group within the majority culture in order to survive, provide safety, and a way to advance. Black colleges are a direct result of segregation. White pride is deemed racist, because it's a reaction to advancement and greater equality of minorities in a attempt to hold them back. Whites are also basically celebrated all the time at every step. Whites who do have a connection to their ethnicity can take part in being proud about that culture (Italian, Irish, etc.).

Great answer to a equally good, if provocative, question.

A glaring example of what you said about whites basically being celebrated at every step would be this upcoming so-called "celebration" of Columbus Day in eight days. How is it we still celebrate Christopher Columbus, a white man who was responsible for the enslavement and eventual genocide of the native Taino people of Hispaniola? A man who had the hands of slaves amputated and then left them die because they didn't bring him enough gold? How is it even possible we still celebrate that man, his people, their actions?

I wasn't trying to be provocative at all. Every year I teach the Civil Rights Movement (going on 15 years) two or three kids always ask me a question along the lines of: isn't it reverse discrimination to have all black colleges or BET? Doesn't that go against the Civil Rights Act? Why isn't there a white history month?

Brian, I totally agree with you on Christopher Columbus.

How have you typically answered those kids, mcgruff? I'm interested.

oh yeah I answer every question. I teach end of the Civil War to the present so I get lots of good questions during the school year.

Okay, guess I wasn't clear in my question. What do you tell them?

mcgruff10

oftenreading said:

mcgruff10 said:

oftenreading said:

mcgruff10 said:

brianlux said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Serious question: why can we have BET, black history month and all black colleges but white pride is deemed racist?
It s a question i ve asked myself many times over the years. And I could care less there is bet and I teach one heck of a civil rights unit every year. Just playing devils advocate.

You teach a civil rights unit and you don't know the answer to this (maybe you really are playing, because people genuinely ask this quesiton)? Being a minority group that's been discriminated against and sidelined, degraded, and devalued, the groups have developed things specific to their group within the majority culture in order to survive, provide safety, and a way to advance. Black colleges are a direct result of segregation. White pride is deemed racist, because it's a reaction to advancement and greater equality of minorities in a attempt to hold them back. Whites are also basically celebrated all the time at every step. Whites who do have a connection to their ethnicity can take part in being proud about that culture (Italian, Irish, etc.).

Great answer to a equally good, if provocative, question.

A glaring example of what you said about whites basically being celebrated at every step would be this upcoming so-called "celebration" of Columbus Day in eight days. How is it we still celebrate Christopher Columbus, a white man who was responsible for the enslavement and eventual genocide of the native Taino people of Hispaniola? A man who had the hands of slaves amputated and then left them die because they didn't bring him enough gold? How is it even possible we still celebrate that man, his people, their actions?

I wasn't trying to be provocative at all. Every year I teach the Civil Rights Movement (going on 15 years) two or three kids always ask me a question along the lines of: isn't it reverse discrimination to have all black colleges or BET? Doesn't that go against the Civil Rights Act? Why isn't there a white history month?

Brian, I totally agree with you on Christopher Columbus.

How have you typically answered those kids, mcgruff? I'm interested.

oh yeah I answer every question. I teach end of the Civil War to the present so I get lots of good questions during the school year.

Okay, guess I wasn't clear in my question. What do you tell them?

I say something along the lines of: after slavery, the way they were treated for hundreds of years and everything they did to attain equal rights in our country don't you think they earned it?

unsung

No

So when does it end?

How many more handouts do they get?

It won't change, they are too comfortable.

seanwon

Yes

unsung said:

So when does it end?

How many more handouts do they get?

It won't change, they are too comfortable.

Do you care about white people getting handouts while living in the Trailer Park, or just people with brown skin?

unsung

No

Read the thread title. Start a white trash topic if you don't like my reply.

Go Beavers

Yes

unsung said:

So when does it end?

How many more handouts do they get?

It won't change, they are too comfortable.

You know that most people on public assistance are on it temporarily, right?

unsung

No

Define temporarily.

You know that being on it cradle to grave removes incentives to improve yourself, right?

Go Beavers

Yes

unsung said:

Define temporarily.

You know that being on it cradle to grave removes incentives to improve yourself, right?

No, that's actually a myth. But you have some data on that I haven't seen, I'll look at the links. And what public assistance in the US is cradle to grave and how many people does that cover?

mace1229

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

Define temporarily.

You know that being on it cradle to grave removes incentives to improve yourself, right?

No, that's actually a myth. But you have some data on that I haven't seen, I'll look at the links. And what public assistance in the US is cradle to grave and how many people does that cover?

There are definitely a lot of people who abuse the system. Turn down jobs because unemployment is high enough, seek cash paying jobs so they still qualify for aid, lots of ways and reasons. Exact number I don't know, but a quick google search said this:
In 8 states welfare pays more than the average teacher salary.
46% of those receiving assistance with children in the household are on it 2 years or longer (that is not temporary in my opinion.) while only 19% are on it 7 months or less (that would be temporary in my opinion.) It only listed the percentage of those with children, I imagine without children it is a little more difficult to be on and stay on assistance, so it is probably lower.
http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/

unsung

No

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

Define temporarily.

You know that being on it cradle to grave removes incentives to improve yourself, right?

No, that's actually a myth. But you have some data on that I haven't seen, I'll look at the links. And what public assistance in the US is cradle to grave and how many people does that cover?

It's not a myth.

Just like feeding wild animals you create a dependency.

brianlux

Yes

mcgruff10 said:

brianlux said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Serious question: why can we have BET, black history month and all black colleges but white pride is deemed racist?
It s a question i ve asked myself many times over the years. And I could care less there is bet and I teach one heck of a civil rights unit every year. Just playing devils advocate.

You teach a civil rights unit and you don't know the answer to this (maybe you really are playing, because people genuinely ask this quesiton)? Being a minority group that's been discriminated against and sidelined, degraded, and devalued, the groups have developed things specific to their group within the majority culture in order to survive, provide safety, and a way to advance. Black colleges are a direct result of segregation. White pride is deemed racist, because it's a reaction to advancement and greater equality of minorities in a attempt to hold them back. Whites are also basically celebrated all the time at every step. Whites who do have a connection to their ethnicity can take part in being proud about that culture (Italian, Irish, etc.).

Great answer to a equally good, if provocative, question.

A glaring example of what you said about whites basically being celebrated at every step would be this upcoming so-called "celebration" of Columbus Day in eight days. How is it we still celebrate Christopher Columbus, a white man who was responsible for the enslavement and eventual genocide of the native Taino people of Hispaniola? A man who had the hands of slaves amputated and then left them die because they didn't bring him enough gold? How is it even possible we still celebrate that man, his people, their actions?

I wasn't trying to be provocative at all. Every year I teach the Civil Rights Movement (going on 15 years) two or three kids always ask me a question along the lines of: isn't it reverse discrimination to have all black colleges or BET? Doesn't that go against the Civil Rights Act? Why isn't there a white history month?

Brian, I totally agree with you on Christopher Columbus.

Sorry- I tend to use the word "provocative" when meaning something positive but that others take as having negative connotations. The same with "challenge". I use both to mean something positive as in, "urging" or "coaxing" or even "encouraging". And yet I see the work "provoke" as having a more negative connotation. I'll try to be more clear next time.

mcgruff10

brianlux said:

mcgruff10 said:

brianlux said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Serious question: why can we have BET, black history month and all black colleges but white pride is deemed racist?
It s a question i ve asked myself many times over the years. And I could care less there is bet and I teach one heck of a civil rights unit every year. Just playing devils advocate.

You teach a civil rights unit and you don't know the answer to this (maybe you really are playing, because people genuinely ask this quesiton)? Being a minority group that's been discriminated against and sidelined, degraded, and devalued, the groups have developed things specific to their group within the majority culture in order to survive, provide safety, and a way to advance. Black colleges are a direct result of segregation. White pride is deemed racist, because it's a reaction to advancement and greater equality of minorities in a attempt to hold them back. Whites are also basically celebrated all the time at every step. Whites who do have a connection to their ethnicity can take part in being proud about that culture (Italian, Irish, etc.).

Great answer to a equally good, if provocative, question.

A glaring example of what you said about whites basically being celebrated at every step would be this upcoming so-called "celebration" of Columbus Day in eight days. How is it we still celebrate Christopher Columbus, a white man who was responsible for the enslavement and eventual genocide of the native Taino people of Hispaniola? A man who had the hands of slaves amputated and then left them die because they didn't bring him enough gold? How is it even possible we still celebrate that man, his people, their actions?

I wasn't trying to be provocative at all. Every year I teach the Civil Rights Movement (going on 15 years) two or three kids always ask me a question along the lines of: isn't it reverse discrimination to have all black colleges or BET? Doesn't that go against the Civil Rights Act? Why isn't there a white history month?

Brian, I totally agree with you on Christopher Columbus.

Sorry- I tend to use the word "provocative" when meaning something positive but that others take as having negative connotations. The same with "challenge". I use both to mean something positive as in, "urging" or "coaxing" or even "encouraging". And yet I see the work "provoke" as having a more negative connotation. I'll try to be more clear next time.

Well because of your mistake you now owe me a beer at the next Pearl Jam show we are at together.

brianlux

Yes

mcgruff10 said:

brianlux said:

mcgruff10 said:

brianlux said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Serious question: why can we have BET, black history month and all black colleges but white pride is deemed racist?
It s a question i ve asked myself many times over the years. And I could care less there is bet and I teach one heck of a civil rights unit every year. Just playing devils advocate.

You teach a civil rights unit and you don't know the answer to this (maybe you really are playing, because people genuinely ask this quesiton)? Being a minority group that's been discriminated against and sidelined, degraded, and devalued, the groups have developed things specific to their group within the majority culture in order to survive, provide safety, and a way to advance. Black colleges are a direct result of segregation. White pride is deemed racist, because it's a reaction to advancement and greater equality of minorities in a attempt to hold them back. Whites are also basically celebrated all the time at every step. Whites who do have a connection to their ethnicity can take part in being proud about that culture (Italian, Irish, etc.).

Great answer to a equally good, if provocative, question.

A glaring example of what you said about whites basically being celebrated at every step would be this upcoming so-called "celebration" of Columbus Day in eight days. How is it we still celebrate Christopher Columbus, a white man who was responsible for the enslavement and eventual genocide of the native Taino people of Hispaniola? A man who had the hands of slaves amputated and then left them die because they didn't bring him enough gold? How is it even possible we still celebrate that man, his people, their actions?

I wasn't trying to be provocative at all. Every year I teach the Civil Rights Movement (going on 15 years) two or three kids always ask me a question along the lines of: isn't it reverse discrimination to have all black colleges or BET? Doesn't that go against the Civil Rights Act? Why isn't there a white history month?

Brian, I totally agree with you on Christopher Columbus.

Sorry- I tend to use the word "provocative" when meaning something positive but that others take as having negative connotations. The same with "challenge". I use both to mean something positive as in, "urging" or "coaxing" or even "encouraging". And yet I see the work "provoke" as having a more negative connotation. I'll try to be more clear next time.

Well because of your mistake you now owe me a beer at the next Pearl Jam show we are at together.

Haha! You got it!