Does White Privilege Exist?

Go Beavers

Yes

unsung said:

PJ_Soul said:

Who is focusing on bring whites down? Pretty sure the idea is to raise everyone else up.

That's what should be done but it isn't done.

White on black crime is nearly nothing, black on black crime is the highest amount of crime, by far, done to black people.

Their response: White Privilege.

I'm not sure what you mean when you say their response is white privilege? Unless you're referring to segregation, where white privilege plays a role in that whites have more freedom to live in pretty much any area that they can afford.

mace1229

cant anyone live in any area they can afford? I have never seen modern day segregation where blacks were not allowed to live in a certain area.

Go Beavers

Yes

mace1229 said:

cant anyone live in any area they can afford? I have never seen modern day segregation where blacks were not allowed to live in a certain area.

Not in the legal sense, but in harassment, a general 'you're not welcome here', violence, being denied by landlords, directed to certain areas by real estate agents, etc. I've heard multiple times in my lifetime that "blacks won't live here or they'll be beat up", "blacks don't move across the tracks" etc. It's one reason I got out of the Midwest.

unsung

No

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

cant anyone live in any area they can afford? I have never seen modern day segregation where blacks were not allowed to live in a certain area.

Not in the legal sense, but in harassment, a general 'you're not welcome here', violence, being denied by landlords, directed to certain areas by real estate agents, etc. I've heard multiple times in my lifetime that "blacks won't live here or they'll be beat up", "blacks don't move across the tracks" etc. It's one reason I got out of the Midwest.

That isn't white privilege, that's being racist.

If I'm walking with my black friend, his name will be Mark, and a cop walks up to us and accuses Mark of a crime it isn't because of white privilege. It's because the cop either has someone that fits his description, or he's racist. Blaming me for that is a liberal made up safe space cop out.

mace1229

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

cant anyone live in any area they can afford? I have never seen modern day segregation where blacks were not allowed to live in a certain area.

Not in the legal sense, but in harassment, a general 'you're not welcome here', violence, being denied by landlords, directed to certain areas by real estate agents, etc. I've heard multiple times in my lifetime that "blacks won't live here or they'll be beat up", "blacks don't move across the tracks" etc. It's one reason I got out of the Midwest.

That's true for other races too. I worked in South Central LA and certain streets I just didn't go down because I would have been beat up for being white. Typically those are not affluent neighborhoods that attract outsiders anyway in either scenario.

Go Beavers

Yes

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

cant anyone live in any area they can afford? I have never seen modern day segregation where blacks were not allowed to live in a certain area.

Not in the legal sense, but in harassment, a general 'you're not welcome here', violence, being denied by landlords, directed to certain areas by real estate agents, etc. I've heard multiple times in my lifetime that "blacks won't live here or they'll be beat up", "blacks don't move across the tracks" etc. It's one reason I got out of the Midwest.

That isn't white privilege, that's being racist.

If I'm walking with my black friend, his name will be Mark, and a cop walks up to us and accuses Mark of a crime it isn't because of white privilege. It's because the cop either has someone that fits his description, or he's racist. Blaming me for that is a liberal made up safe space cop out.

The other side of the racism is white privilege. Like I said, whites can live nearly anywhere they want if they can afford it, blacks cannot. To move about freely is a white privilege, and many whites are under the impression that anyone is able to do the same.

Go Beavers

Yes

mace1229 said:

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

cant anyone live in any area they can afford? I have never seen modern day segregation where blacks were not allowed to live in a certain area.

Not in the legal sense, but in harassment, a general 'you're not welcome here', violence, being denied by landlords, directed to certain areas by real estate agents, etc. I've heard multiple times in my lifetime that "blacks won't live here or they'll be beat up", "blacks don't move across the tracks" etc. It's one reason I got out of the Midwest.

That's true for other races too. I worked in South Central LA and certain streets I just didn't go down because I would have been beat up for being white. Typically those are not affluent neighborhoods that attract outsiders anyway in either scenario.

I would guess there's maybe 1% of places whites get flack if they go to, and that might be high. In my scenario, blacks are being shut out of middle class neighborhoods that are considered affluent.

mace1229

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

cant anyone live in any area they can afford? I have never seen modern day segregation where blacks were not allowed to live in a certain area.

Not in the legal sense, but in harassment, a general 'you're not welcome here', violence, being denied by landlords, directed to certain areas by real estate agents, etc. I've heard multiple times in my lifetime that "blacks won't live here or they'll be beat up", "blacks don't move across the tracks" etc. It's one reason I got out of the Midwest.

That's true for other races too. I worked in South Central LA and certain streets I just didn't go down because I would have been beat up for being white. Typically those are not affluent neighborhoods that attract outsiders anyway in either scenario.

I would guess there's maybe 1% of places whites get flack if they go to, and that might be high. In my scenario, blacks are being shut out of middle class neighborhoods that are considered affluent.

Being shut out as in they will get "beat up" if they try to move in? I have never heard of that in affluent neighborhoods, which are you referring to?

Go Beavers

Yes

mace1229 said:

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

cant anyone live in any area they can afford? I have never seen modern day segregation where blacks were not allowed to live in a certain area.

Not in the legal sense, but in harassment, a general 'you're not welcome here', violence, being denied by landlords, directed to certain areas by real estate agents, etc. I've heard multiple times in my lifetime that "blacks won't live here or they'll be beat up", "blacks don't move across the tracks" etc. It's one reason I got out of the Midwest.

That's true for other races too. I worked in South Central LA and certain streets I just didn't go down because I would have been beat up for being white. Typically those are not affluent neighborhoods that attract outsiders anyway in either scenario.

I would guess there's maybe 1% of places whites get flack if they go to, and that might be high. In my scenario, blacks are being shut out of middle class neighborhoods that are considered affluent.

Being shut out as in they will get "beat up" if they try to move in? I have never heard of that in affluent neighborhoods, which are you referring to?

I've heard this referenced in and around Chicago (which is extremely segregated) and smaller towns in the Midwest. There's also areas with significant KKK activity. Not the most welcoming for minorities.

PJ_Soul

Yes

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

cant anyone live in any area they can afford? I have never seen modern day segregation where blacks were not allowed to live in a certain area.

Not in the legal sense, but in harassment, a general 'you're not welcome here', violence, being denied by landlords, directed to certain areas by real estate agents, etc. I've heard multiple times in my lifetime that "blacks won't live here or they'll be beat up", "blacks don't move across the tracks" etc. It's one reason I got out of the Midwest.

That's true for other races too. I worked in South Central LA and certain streets I just didn't go down because I would have been beat up for being white. Typically those are not affluent neighborhoods that attract outsiders anyway in either scenario.

I would guess there's maybe 1% of places whites get flack if they go to, and that might be high. In my scenario, blacks are being shut out of middle class neighborhoods that are considered affluent.

Being shut out as in they will get "beat up" if they try to move in? I have never heard of that in affluent neighborhoods, which are you referring to?

I've heard this referenced in and around Chicago (which is extremely segregated) and smaller towns in the Midwest. There's also areas with significant KKK activity. Not the most welcoming for minorities.

Not to mention police harassment.

mace1229

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

cant anyone live in any area they can afford? I have never seen modern day segregation where blacks were not allowed to live in a certain area.

Not in the legal sense, but in harassment, a general 'you're not welcome here', violence, being denied by landlords, directed to certain areas by real estate agents, etc. I've heard multiple times in my lifetime that "blacks won't live here or they'll be beat up", "blacks don't move across the tracks" etc. It's one reason I got out of the Midwest.

That's true for other races too. I worked in South Central LA and certain streets I just didn't go down because I would have been beat up for being white. Typically those are not affluent neighborhoods that attract outsiders anyway in either scenario.

I would guess there's maybe 1% of places whites get flack if they go to, and that might be high. In my scenario, blacks are being shut out of middle class neighborhoods that are considered affluent.

Being shut out as in they will get "beat up" if they try to move in? I have never heard of that in affluent neighborhoods, which are you referring to?

I've heard this referenced in and around Chicago (which is extremely segregated) and smaller towns in the Midwest. There's also areas with significant KKK activity. Not the most welcoming for minorities.

I would say that is very good on the part of the real estate agent to lead then away from areas of high KKK activity. Just like I would hope my agent would lead me away from areas with high black gang activity.
I don't deny racism exists. I just don't think it exists on a level that it is sometimes made out to be. For every pocket of KKK I could probably find a black neighborhood that white people aren't welcome either.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't associate the members of KKK with being part of high society, and therefore probably not the best neighborhoods anyway.

Go Beavers

Yes

There's often a need for whites to minimize racism because it's disturbing. The problem is, that perpetuates it.

PJ_Soul

Yes

The KKK is horrible, and white supremacists of any kind, and just plain old rabid racists of any kind, and it is indeed still a problem (more than many think because the media just completely ignores it for the most part). But those aren't really the main issues when we're talking about white privilege this day and age.

I'll just post this again because it addresses the other more subtle realities that this concept involves (FWIW, I saw this article because a black friend of mine posted it on facebook): http://occupywallstreet.net/story/explaining-white-privilege-broke-white-person

unsung

No

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

cant anyone live in any area they can afford? I have never seen modern day segregation where blacks were not allowed to live in a certain area.

Not in the legal sense, but in harassment, a general 'you're not welcome here', violence, being denied by landlords, directed to certain areas by real estate agents, etc. I've heard multiple times in my lifetime that "blacks won't live here or they'll be beat up", "blacks don't move across the tracks" etc. It's one reason I got out of the Midwest.

That isn't white privilege, that's being racist.

If I'm walking with my black friend, his name will be Mark, and a cop walks up to us and accuses Mark of a crime it isn't because of white privilege. It's because the cop either has someone that fits his description, or he's racist. Blaming me for that is a liberal made up safe space cop out.

The other side of the racism is white privilege. Like I said, whites can live nearly anywhere they want if they can afford it, blacks cannot. To move about freely is a white privilege, and many whites are under the impression that anyone is able to do the same.

Blacks can live where they can't afford it.

I went through it.

unsung

No

Go Beavers said:

There's often a need for whites to minimize racism because it's disturbing. The problem is, that perpetuates it.

Actually people like jesse Jackson and al Sharpton perpetuate it.

Go Beavers

Yes

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

There's often a need for whites to minimize racism because it's disturbing. The problem is, that perpetuates it.

Actually people like jesse Jackson and al Sharpton perpetuate it.

The flip "well blacks do it, to" is also part of the denial.

pjalive21

No

ive actually lost on a couple of jobs due to affirmative action and have been pulled over in neighborhoods for being exactly what I am, white, so im still waiting on my white privilege to kick in

brianlux

Yes

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

There's often a need for whites to minimize racism because it's disturbing. The problem is, that perpetuates it.

Actually people like jesse Jackson and al Sharpton perpetuate it.

Yeah, I've never heard of two guys more antagonistic than those two hate mongers. FACEPALM!

Go Beavers

Yes

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

cant anyone live in any area they can afford? I have never seen modern day segregation where blacks were not allowed to live in a certain area.

Not in the legal sense, but in harassment, a general 'you're not welcome here', violence, being denied by landlords, directed to certain areas by real estate agents, etc. I've heard multiple times in my lifetime that "blacks won't live here or they'll be beat up", "blacks don't move across the tracks" etc. It's one reason I got out of the Midwest.

That isn't white privilege, that's being racist.

If I'm walking with my black friend, his name will be Mark, and a cop walks up to us and accuses Mark of a crime it isn't because of white privilege. It's because the cop either has someone that fits his description, or he's racist. Blaming me for that is a liberal made up safe space cop out.

The other side of the racism is white privilege. Like I said, whites can live nearly anywhere they want if they can afford it, blacks cannot. To move about freely is a white privilege, and many whites are under the impression that anyone is able to do the same.

Blacks can live where they can't afford it.

I went through it.

Is this a typo? How can they live where they can't afford it?

eddiec

Yes

pjalive21 said:

ive actually lost on a couple of jobs due to affirmative action and have been pulled over in neighborhoods for being exactly what I am, white, so im still waiting on my white privilege to kick in

That is a bit like saying 'it snowed in March in my town, this climate change thing is bullshit'. While you may have had some personal experiences with affirmative action it doesn't mean white privilege doesn't exist. The fact that there is a need for affirmative action actually proves white privilege.