Losing control of the country. Downright WRONG that this happened.
Green Party presidential nominee Jill Stein and vice-presidential candidate Cheri Honkala were arrested Tuesday as they attempted to enter the grounds of the presidential debate site at Hofstra University. Like other third-party candidates, Stein was blocked from participating in the debate by the Commission on Presidential Debates, which is controlled by the Republican and Democratic parties. Stein and Honkala were held for eight hours, handcuffed to chairs. As she was being arrested, Stein condemned what she called "this mock debate, this mockery of democracy." Just hours after being released, Stein joins us in the Democracy Now! studio. [includes rush transcript]
Wow, people are trying to claim Trump won that debate? Utterly hilarious. Even my Conservative friends have told me today Trump looked bad and it was obvious Hillary was getting under his skin and had won. Not quite sure what some of you were watching.
This.
Apparently trump supporters are hitting the on-line surveys, where you can vote more than once. smh "The key difference is the kind of poll the candidates are citing. Trump is going on unscientific online polls, which don’t have any controls to make sure they are actually representative of American voters. Clinton’s claim relies on more rigorous scientific polls — those like CNN’s — that apply controls to try to be representative of US voters." http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/9/27/13072668/debate-trump-clinton-polls
And the sun it may be shining . . . but there's an ocean in my eyes
Wait a minute, that article is dated 2012 and happened during the Obama Romney debate. Regardless it's still wrong.
Well she was escorted off the property last night. Though I'm wondering why. It's terrible that all the candidates can't participate in the debates no matter what, but are they formally barred from attending the debates too? Or was Stein escorted away only because she was a part of the protest about not being able to participate? Could she have attended as a guest if she'd wanted to?
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Wow, people are trying to claim Trump won that debate? Utterly hilarious. Even my Conservative friends have told me today Trump looked bad and it was obvious Hillary was getting under his skin and had won. Not quite sure what some of you were watching.
This.
Apparently trump supporters are hitting the on-line surveys, where you can vote more than once. smh "The key difference is the kind of poll the candidates are citing. Trump is going on unscientific online polls, which don’t have any controls to make sure they are actually representative of American voters. Clinton’s claim relies on more rigorous scientific polls — those like CNN’s — that apply controls to try to be representative of US voters." http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/9/27/13072668/debate-trump-clinton-polls
He didn't move the chains like he needed to. If you love Trump you loved his "performance"...if you thought he was an idiot before the debate you got what you expected.
There is no way that an intelligent disinterested person could watch that debate and think that Trump was the better candidate. No fucking way.
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Wait a minute, that article is dated 2012 and happened during the Obama Romney debate. Regardless it's still wrong.
Well she was escorted off the property last night. Though I'm wondering why. It's terrible that all the candidates can't participate in the debates no matter what, but are they formally barred from attending the debates too? Or was Stein escorted away only because she was a part of the protest about not being able to participate? Could she have attended as a guest if she'd wanted to?
Is it though? Should Vermin Supreme get to take the stage? Stein is a more serious candidate, but she doesn't have any greater chance of winning. Total democracy is total chaos, the GOP primary debates showed that when there are so many extraneous people trying to debate we end up with little sense of the capabilities of any of them. Policies can be found online, we watch the debates to see how well a candidate thinks and performs under pressure, we couldn't get much sense of that with Gary Johnson, Jill Stein, Roseanne Barr, Vermin Supreme and everyone else who will never be president up on the stage.
LOL !!!! I didn't watch it because I know who I'm voting for anyway but I did see highlights and comments on the interweb.... your gal Hillary bot her ass handed to her.
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You're clueless if you think she got beat your boy looked like the fool that he is and fools will vote for him !!
While the CPD certainly controls much of the event, it’s not a “nonpartisan” organization at all. It’s about as far from nonpartisan as you can get. It’s totally bipartisan. It’s a creation of the Democratic and Republican parties designed to solidify their dominance over the public.
Its origins are in an agreement “Memorandum of Agreement on Presidential Candidate Joint Appearances” from 1985 signed by Frank J. Fahrenkopf Jr., then Chairman of the Republican National Committee, and Paul G. Kirk Jr., then Chairman of the Democratic National Committee. The two would go on to head the CPD.
But that original agreement didn’t even have the word “debates” in it. This commission is the mechanism by which the Democratic and Republican parties came together to push aside the League of Women Voters, which had organized presidential debates before 1988. It was to make sure that the campaigns, not some independent entity, would decide on moderators, on formats—and to critically exclude other participants unless both sides agreed. They simply wanted to ensure “televised joint appearances”—which became emblematic of a pretense of democratic discourse.
Why would anybody be surprised Trump set a new low for behavior and preparation in last night's debate? If you've paid any attention to him, even casually the past 20 years or so, you'd know this is who he is. You can't polish a turd and the past 9 months hold that up. Last night's failure was just one in a bunch he's made since announcing his intention to run.
Wait a minute, that article is dated 2012 and happened during the Obama Romney debate. Regardless it's still wrong.
Well she was escorted off the property last night. Though I'm wondering why. It's terrible that all the candidates can't participate in the debates no matter what, but are they formally barred from attending the debates too? Or was Stein escorted away only because she was a part of the protest about not being able to participate? Could she have attended as a guest if she'd wanted to?
Is it though? Should Vermin Supreme get to take the stage? Stein is a more serious candidate, but she doesn't have any greater chance of winning. Total democracy is total chaos, the GOP primary debates showed that when there are so many extraneous people trying to debate we end up with little sense of the capabilities of any of them. Policies can be found online, we watch the debates to see how well a candidate thinks and performs under pressure, we couldn't get much sense of that with Gary Johnson, Jill Stein, Roseanne Barr, Vermin Supreme and everyone else who will never be president up on the stage.
I think any leader of a political party that will be on the ballot in November should have an opportunity to debate. Their chances of winning are irrelevant. Their views and ideas deserve to be represented where the country can actually hear them, and where they can be debated. They may have something valuable to contribute to the overall discussion, whether they can win or not. But also, one must assume that, however improbable, that a presidential candidate could come to a debate and do so well that they manage to get a huge number of people to change their minds and vote for them.
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Republican pollster Frank Luntz conducted a focus group of undecided voters in Pennsylvania. Sixteen said Hillary Clinton won. Five picked Trump, per CBS News.
Trump’s surrogates in the spin room were downbeat, and the candidate himself has already begun making excuses: “They gave me a defective mic,” he complained to reporters during a gaggle. “Did you notice that? My mic was defective within the room. I wonder, was that on purpose?” There was no clear problem with his microphone during the debate, Jose DelReal notes.
Trump was supposed to stop by the Nassau County Republican Committee’s watch party on his way home. He skipped it. Clinton, meanwhile, celebrated with hundreds of supporters in Westbury.
And Rudy Giuliani, a top Trump surrogate, even suggested that Trump should skip the next two debates unless he gets concessions. “If I were Donald Trump I wouldn’t participate in another debate unless I was promised that the journalist would act like a journalist and not an incorrect, ignorant fact checker,” he said.
But Trump’s lack of preparation showed. There were too many missed opportunities to count.
“I'm not positive Hillary actually won the debate. But I'm sure Trump lost it. He choked,” writes Weekly Standard Editor Bill Kristol.
“Even if you are a Trump supporter, you have to think that he left a lot on the table,” writes GOP supper lobbyist Ed Rogers, a veteran of the Reagan and Bush 41 White Houses. “He didn’t see the openings and he didn’t swing at the softballs that came his way. He never used the word ‘change,’ he didn’t bore in on Hillary’s email scandal and he never got around to the Clinton Foundation and Hillary’s suspect integrity. Trump was inarticulate and rarely hit the bull’s eye.”
“He was exciting but embarrassingly undisciplined,” writes New York Post conservative columnist John Podhoretz. “He began with his strongest argument — that the political class represented by her has failed us and it’s time to look to a successful dealmaker for leadership — and kept to it pretty well for the first 20 minutes. Then due to the vanity and laziness that led him to think he could wing the most important 95 minutes of his life, he lost the thread of his argument, he lost control of his temper and he lost the perspective necessary to correct these mistakes as he went. By the end … Trump was reduced to a sputtering mess blathering about Rosie O’Donnell and about how he hasn’t yet said the mean things about Hillary that he is thinking.”
“After the first 20 minutes, it may have been the most lopsided debate I’ve ever seen — and not because Clinton was particularly effective. But you don’t need to be good when your opponent is bad,” writes National Review’s David French, who considered running for president as an independent. “Why didn’t he have a better answer ready for the birther nonsense? Has he still not done any homework on foreign policy? I felt like I was watching the political Titanic hit the iceberg, back up, and hit it again. Just for fun.”
Trump needed to conceal his temper … and appear ready to be president. He didn’t,” writes conservative blogger Jennifer Rubin. “There were too many instances in which the real Donald showed through. Clinton wasn’t emotive, but she was cool and efficient in drawing blood.”
“If her goal was to get under Trump’s skin — you know, sniff out his weakness, and bait him into losing his temper — it worked,” adds conservative columnist Matt Lewis. “She got under that thin skin by talking about his inherited wealth and questionable status as a billionaire.”
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Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump insisted at the first presidential debate on Sept. 26 that he was never in favor of the Iraq War. (Peter Stevenson/The Washington Post)
-- Trump played to his base. He did nothing to win over fresh converts or reassure recalcitrant Republicans. Sean Hannity’s audience is not who he needs to win over.
“Unpersuaded college educated white women didn’t come away from this debate — at least not in large numbers — feeling reassured by Trump,” conservative Jonah Goldberg writes in National Review. “Clinton was narrowcasting at the voters she needs. Trump was broadcasting to the voters he already has. … If you’re truly pro-Hillary or pro-Trump it doesn’t matter what you thought tonight. Your vote is baked in. But if you’re on the fence or thinking about not voting at all, your impression matters — a lot. And in this regard, I think Clinton was the winner.”
And there's a whole lot more skewering in the link.
I think Hillary won in a number of ways last night.
For one, she won the debate by any measure. More prepared, more substance, more presidential, etc. Trump probably played well to his base but in no way did he attract any new voters.
Second, she clearly got under his skin, and was very civil in doing so. He tried to stay respectful but she needled him until he lost it, didn't take long. He then went on the offensive after and all day today. There is absolutely no way he keeps it together and doesn't completely lose his mind over the next two debates.
I think Hillary won in a number of ways last night.
For one, she won the debate by any measure. More prepared, more substance, more presidential, etc. Trump probably played well to his base but in no way did he attract any new voters.
Second, she clearly got under his skin, and was very civil in doing so. He tried to stay respectful but she needled him until he lost it, didn't take long. He then went on the offensive after and all day today. There is absolutely no way he keeps it together and doesn't completely lose his mind over the next two debates.
When he babbled about how he wanted to say just horrible, awful, hurtful things to her, but then patted himself on the back for resisting, I laughed pretty hard. I think he honestly thought that was a feather in his cap!
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Anyone who believes Trump won that debate just needs to watch the five minute rant towards the end where he talked about the birth certificate, Japan and Rosie O'Donnell. The cherry on top was that he literally ended a crazy rant with saying he has the best temperament. You can't make this shit up, folks.
Anyone who believes Trump won that debate just needs to watch the five minute rant towards the end where he talked about the birth certificate, Japan and Rosie O'Donnell. The cherry on top was that he literally ended a crazy rant with saying he has the best temperament. You can't make this shit up, folks.
That part was pretty jaw dropping. Crazytown.
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I think Hillary won in a number of ways last night.
For one, she won the debate by any measure. More prepared, more substance, more presidential, etc. Trump probably played well to his base but in no way did he attract any new voters.
Second, she clearly got under his skin, and was very civil in doing so. He tried to stay respectful but she needled him until he lost it, didn't take long. He then went on the offensive after and all day today. There is absolutely no way he keeps it together and doesn't completely lose his mind over the next two debates.
It will be interesting to see if he changes his method. The next debate is a town hall style moderated by Martha Raddatz and Anderson Cooper. I don't think they will let Trump get away with the crap that he pulled last night.
oh...and Trump has already stated that he doesn't think Cooper should moderate. He says he is part of the Clinton News Network.
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Whew. Glad I didn't waste my time watching it after reading all these comments. Maybe I will watch reruns of Saturday Night Live or Anchorman again during the next debate... Although I don't know which one might be more entertaining...
I think Hillary won in a number of ways last night.
For one, she won the debate by any measure. More prepared, more substance, more presidential, etc. Trump probably played well to his base but in no way did he attract any new voters.
Second, she clearly got under his skin, and was very civil in doing so. He tried to stay respectful but she needled him until he lost it, didn't take long. He then went on the offensive after and all day today. There is absolutely no way he keeps it together and doesn't completely lose his mind over the next two debates.
When he babbled about how he wanted to say just horrible, awful, hurtful things to her, but then patted himself on the back for resisting, I laughed pretty hard. I think he honestly thought that was a feather in his cap!
the petulant child he always was. you can't coach the Trump out of Trump.
Gonna be interesting to see Ted Cruz' career after Trump Loses......ah you dope. The only good thing he did was stick up for his wife and his Kennedy Killing Father and now he caves in.
That Party is driftwood now. How come Trump doesn't need to pass the Evangelical Test this cycle?....seems These dopey voters and Party have sold their souls.....beating the drum of Racism/Sexism/Homophobic/ against any religion other than some Protestant one/ barely any diversity...... Cant believe they went all in with this. Where do you go on Nov 9th?
Is Kasich still around for Donald to hook him up to run his foreign and domestic fronts while he's making America great again
Gonna be interesting to see Ted Cruz' career after Trump Loses......ah you dope. The only good thing he did was stick up for his wife and his Kennedy Killing Father and now he caves in.
That Party is driftwood now. How come Trump doesn't need to pass the Evangelical Test this cycle?....seems These dopey voters and Party have sold their souls.....beating the drum of Racism/Sexism/Homophobic/ against any religion other than some Protestant one/ barely any diversity...... Cant believe they went all in with this. Where do you go on Nov 9th?
Is Kasich still around for Donald to hook him up to run his foreign and domestic fronts while he's making America great again
The liquor store? Or the packy as we say in these parts?
sorry I missed it (aside from highlights) it sounds like this debate has humbled some folks, the next one will be like the shoot-out at the O.K corral I'm sure. think about this though...Trump is so new to the political arena that finding dirt on him is nearly impossible(aside from business deals and past wives), he hasn't had the time or experience's to do or get caught doing anything like Hillary has. Emails and servers, Benghazi, political lies to the people, adversaries' dyeing before court dates or hearings, this woman has been around the block .....30 years ! and to tell you the truth I almost have to admire her and Bill because who else can pull off murder, blatant bold faced lies and a number of crimes other people went to prison for, this is the face of professional politics' and she's running for POTUS ! she is the Gangsters Gangster, the capo di tutti capi, and to lie to the faces of the mothers who lost their son's in Benghazi....that's a true criminal with no remorse or compassion. now as far as trump goes, who knows ? time will tell.
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What? Some people really need to learn to move on. Benghazi was dealt with. 7 times to be specific. There is no evidence that Clinton did anything illegal. The email were deals with by the FBI. They didn't have the evidence to support charges. What the hell do you need to keep hearing Clinton say I won't do it again? There's nothing else to say about it. And I'd love for you or anyone to produce a shred of evidence that shows bill or Hillary murdered or had anyone murdered. Some of the most absurd notions I've ever heard.
There is plenty of dirt that can be dug up on trump. He's a sexist, racist, shrewd business man. All of the dirt has been dug up. What have you been watching/reading for the past year?
you're right they haven't been arrested for murder....they're good at it ! LOL !!! I'll bet these topic's are brought up at the next debates though, it's all about character and trust in this election and Hillary has a lot of skeletons in her political closet you have to admit, I'm not saying Trump will be a great president (maybe he will ? who knows) but I am saying Hillary's past and dishonest way's could very well be here to haunt her through out this election process. I really think Trump will win the race....but if Hillary win's her entire term will be filled with constant doubt because of the accusations and "facts" that have been brought up about her and Bill, think about it, Bill has slept with mode women then Gene Simmons and is famous for a BJ in the oval office not to mention those famous cigars, and true or not the body count thing is here, the smashed blackberries and I-pads so really is this the kind of family Americans want to represent them ???? I know Trumps no angel and probably even smoked one of those cigar's but his public track record is squeaky clean compared to the Clinton's and that's why he will probably win.
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Why do you keep bringing up who bill has fucked? What does that matter? Like I said, show one piece of evidence that the Clinton's murdered anyone. You trusted every politician you voted for? It's a joke that you think trump is any more honorable and trustworthy than Clinton. Trump thumpers realky need to get used to the idea that Trump has 0 chance of winning. If last night doesn't show you that, you are going to be very disappointed.
personally non of that matters to me, I'm just saying that it does matter to many Americans and it WILL affect her vote count.
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No, it doesn't matter to anyone except people who aren't voting for Clinton regardless. It's just a tactic to keep,people from talking about how bad trump is.
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in any case ... as long as the general public continue to buy into this farce ... it'll be business as usual ...
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/297876-green-party-nominee-escorted-off-debate-premises
"The key difference is the kind of poll the candidates are citing. Trump is going on unscientific online polls, which don’t have any controls to make sure they are actually representative of American voters. Clinton’s claim relies on more rigorous scientific polls — those like CNN’s — that apply controls to try to be representative of US voters."
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/9/27/13072668/debate-trump-clinton-polls
There is no way that an intelligent disinterested person could watch that debate and think that Trump was the better candidate. No fucking way.
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Total democracy is total chaos, the GOP primary debates showed that when there are so many extraneous people trying to debate we end up with little sense of the capabilities of any of them.
Policies can be found online, we watch the debates to see how well a candidate thinks and performs under pressure, we couldn't get much sense of that with Gary Johnson, Jill Stein, Roseanne Barr, Vermin Supreme and everyone else who will never be president up on the stage.
While the CPD certainly controls much of the event, it’s not a “nonpartisan” organization at all. It’s about as far from nonpartisan as you can get. It’s totally bipartisan. It’s a creation of the Democratic and Republican parties designed to solidify their dominance over the public.
Its origins are in an agreement “Memorandum of Agreement on Presidential Candidate Joint Appearances” from 1985 signed by Frank J. Fahrenkopf Jr., then Chairman of the Republican National Committee, and Paul G. Kirk Jr., then Chairman of the Democratic National Committee. The two would go on to head the CPD.
But that original agreement didn’t even have the word “debates” in it. This commission is the mechanism by which the Democratic and Republican parties came together to push aside the League of Women Voters, which had organized presidential debates before 1988. It was to make sure that the campaigns, not some independent entity, would decide on moderators, on formats—and to critically exclude other participants unless both sides agreed. They simply wanted to ensure “televised joint appearances”—which became emblematic of a pretense of democratic discourse.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2016/09/27/daily-202-why-even-republicans-think-clinton-won-the-first-debate/57e9b033e9b69b3019a1e037/?wpisrc=nl_most-draw10&wpmm=1
Republican pollster Frank Luntz conducted a focus group of undecided voters in Pennsylvania. Sixteen said Hillary Clinton won. Five picked Trump, per CBS News.
Trump’s surrogates in the spin room were downbeat, and the candidate himself has already begun making excuses: “They gave me a defective mic,” he complained to reporters during a gaggle. “Did you notice that? My mic was defective within the room. I wonder, was that on purpose?” There was no clear problem with his microphone during the debate, Jose DelReal notes.
Trump was supposed to stop by the Nassau County Republican Committee’s watch party on his way home. He skipped it. Clinton, meanwhile, celebrated with hundreds of supporters in Westbury.
And Rudy Giuliani, a top Trump surrogate, even suggested that Trump should skip the next two debates unless he gets concessions. “If I were Donald Trump I wouldn’t participate in another debate unless I was promised that the journalist would act like a journalist and not an incorrect, ignorant fact checker,” he said.
But Trump’s lack of preparation showed. There were too many missed opportunities to count.
“I'm not positive Hillary actually won the debate. But I'm sure Trump lost it. He choked,” writes Weekly Standard Editor Bill Kristol.
“Even if you are a Trump supporter, you have to think that he left a lot on the table,” writes GOP supper lobbyist Ed Rogers, a veteran of the Reagan and Bush 41 White Houses. “He didn’t see the openings and he didn’t swing at the softballs that came his way. He never used the word ‘change,’ he didn’t bore in on Hillary’s email scandal and he never got around to the Clinton Foundation and Hillary’s suspect integrity. Trump was inarticulate and rarely hit the bull’s eye.”
“He was exciting but embarrassingly undisciplined,” writes New York Post conservative columnist John Podhoretz. “He began with his strongest argument — that the political class represented by her has failed us and it’s time to look to a successful dealmaker for leadership — and kept to it pretty well for the first 20 minutes. Then due to the vanity and laziness that led him to think he could wing the most important 95 minutes of his life, he lost the thread of his argument, he lost control of his temper and he lost the perspective necessary to correct these mistakes as he went. By the end … Trump was reduced to a sputtering mess blathering about Rosie O’Donnell and about how he hasn’t yet said the mean things about Hillary that he is thinking.”
“After the first 20 minutes, it may have been the most lopsided debate I’ve ever seen — and not because Clinton was particularly effective. But you don’t need to be good when your opponent is bad,” writes National Review’s David French, who considered running for president as an independent. “Why didn’t he have a better answer ready for the birther nonsense? Has he still not done any homework on foreign policy? I felt like I was watching the political Titanic hit the iceberg, back up, and hit it again. Just for fun.”
Trump needed to conceal his temper … and appear ready to be president. He didn’t,” writes conservative blogger Jennifer Rubin. “There were too many instances in which the real Donald showed through. Clinton wasn’t emotive, but she was cool and efficient in drawing blood.”
“If her goal was to get under Trump’s skin — you know, sniff out his weakness, and bait him into losing his temper — it worked,” adds conservative columnist Matt Lewis. “She got under that thin skin by talking about his inherited wealth and questionable status as a billionaire.”
Trump asks Americans to 'call Sean Hannity' to verify his Iraq War position
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Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump insisted at the first presidential debate on Sept. 26 that he was never in favor of the Iraq War. (Peter Stevenson/The Washington Post)
-- Trump played to his base. He did nothing to win over fresh converts or reassure recalcitrant Republicans. Sean Hannity’s audience is not who he needs to win over.
“Unpersuaded college educated white women didn’t come away from this debate — at least not in large numbers — feeling reassured by Trump,” conservative Jonah Goldberg writes in National Review. “Clinton was narrowcasting at the voters she needs. Trump was broadcasting to the voters he already has. … If you’re truly pro-Hillary or pro-Trump it doesn’t matter what you thought tonight. Your vote is baked in. But if you’re on the fence or thinking about not voting at all, your impression matters — a lot. And in this regard, I think Clinton was the winner.”
And there's a whole lot more skewering in the link.
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For one, she won the debate by any measure. More prepared, more substance, more presidential, etc. Trump probably played well to his base but in no way did he attract any new voters.
Second, she clearly got under his skin, and was very civil in doing so. He tried to stay respectful but she needled him until he lost it, didn't take long. He then went on the offensive after and all day today. There is absolutely no way he keeps it together and doesn't completely lose his mind over the next two debates.
You can't make this shit up, folks.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
oh...and Trump has already stated that he doesn't think Cooper should moderate. He says he is part of the Clinton News Network.
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That Party is driftwood now. How come Trump doesn't need to pass the Evangelical Test this cycle?....seems These dopey voters and Party have sold their souls.....beating the drum of Racism/Sexism/Homophobic/ against any religion other than some Protestant one/ barely any diversity...... Cant believe they went all in with this. Where do you go on Nov 9th?
Is Kasich still around for Donald to hook him up to run his foreign and domestic fronts while he's making America great again
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