Are you aware of what's going on? Dakota Pipeline

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,681
    I think it's pretty well proven that whales are highly intelligent and have decision making skills, and social communication abilities, so it is not even a little bit surprising to me that a whale would become involved in a conflict like that. I think whales are basically as intelligent as humans. They just have different skills.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    PJ_Soul said:

    I think it's pretty well proven that whales are highly intelligent and have decision making skills, and social communication abilities, so it is not even a little bit surprising to me that a whale would become involved in a conflict like that. I think whales are basically as intelligent as humans. They just have different skills.

    They are indeed!

    And I see no reason why bison could not have been helpful to the Dakota Native Americans. They are known to be highly intelligent.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • brianlux said:

    Free said:

    brianlux said:

    Free said:


    Thousands of Wild Buffalo Appear Out of Nowhere at Standing Rock (VIDEO)

    http://usuncut.com/resistance/thousands-wild-buffalo-appear-nowhere-standing-rock/

    Fantastic!

    The animals know. Years ago when a Sea Shepherd ship and crew were investigating illegal fishing operations in eastern Russia a Russian naval ship tried to ram the Sea Shepherd ship but was prevented from doing so by a whale that came between the two vessels. The whale was unharmed and the Sea Shepherd crew escaped.

    The animals know.
    They really do. :)
    No, they don't. They're ruminants, herd animals, and they're moving around over their range. I really don't think they're watching the news or getting tweets on their phones. The roaming charges alone would be atrocious.
    I know this may sound far fetched, but I really truly honest to god (Buddha, Jesus, Mohamed, or "Other Divine Being") believe they do. If you read the account of the whale that saved the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society ship and crew you might believe it too. I'll try to find it and post it.
    I am definitely willing to consider that cetaceans would come close enough to investigate. They are intelligent and social animals, and there are other reports of cetaceans socializing with humans and even "rescuing" them. I don't for a minute believe that they know the difference between the SSCS and a Russian ship. Why would they?

    And bison? Glorified cows, acting exactly as a herd of ruminants does.

    I have enormous respect for pretty much any animal in the natural world, but that respect means recognizing it as purely itself in its niche, and not anthropomorphizing it.
    When I was in grade ate biology class I remember my teacher walking in on the first day of school and wrote w/ chalk on the board "Anthropomorphize"
    We of course had no clue what that word meant but the teacher said "kids, you all know Mickey Mouse and he is alive in your minds w/ thoughts and feelings"
    To this day I had yet to find a reason to use the word until now.
    Thanks Often.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Your government.


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    Your government.


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    And a picture of troops training is what?
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    'What a Crock': Clinton Breaks DAPL Silence With Statement That Says 'Literally Nothing'

    http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/10/28/what-crock-clinton-breaks-dapl-silence-statement-says-literally-nothing
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664

    brianlux said:

    Free said:

    brianlux said:

    Free said:


    Thousands of Wild Buffalo Appear Out of Nowhere at Standing Rock (VIDEO)

    http://usuncut.com/resistance/thousands-wild-buffalo-appear-nowhere-standing-rock/

    Fantastic!

    The animals know. Years ago when a Sea Shepherd ship and crew were investigating illegal fishing operations in eastern Russia a Russian naval ship tried to ram the Sea Shepherd ship but was prevented from doing so by a whale that came between the two vessels. The whale was unharmed and the Sea Shepherd crew escaped.

    The animals know.
    They really do. :)
    No, they don't. They're ruminants, herd animals, and they're moving around over their range. I really don't think they're watching the news or getting tweets on their phones. The roaming charges alone would be atrocious.
    I know this may sound far fetched, but I really truly honest to god (Buddha, Jesus, Mohamed, or "Other Divine Being") believe they do. If you read the account of the whale that saved the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society ship and crew you might believe it too. I'll try to find it and post it.
    I am definitely willing to consider that cetaceans would come close enough to investigate. They are intelligent and social animals, and there are other reports of cetaceans socializing with humans and even "rescuing" them. I don't for a minute believe that they know the difference between the SSCS and a Russian ship. Why would they?

    And bison? Glorified cows, acting exactly as a herd of ruminants does.

    I have enormous respect for pretty much any animal in the natural world, but that respect means recognizing it as purely itself in its niche, and not anthropomorphizing it.
    "Rescue" I agree was the wrong word. "Intervene" would have been better.

    No, oftenreading, I don't believe anthropomorphizing other animals shows any respect whatsoever. Doing so might even be slighting them. But on the flip side, I personally would find my being zoomorphized by another to be quite a compliment.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    http://usuncut.com/climate/bernie-sanders-president-obama-pipeline/

    Sanders Just Wrote an Open Letter Calling on President Obama to Stop the Dakota Pipeline
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,681
    edited October 2016
    brianlux said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    I think it's pretty well proven that whales are highly intelligent and have decision making skills, and social communication abilities, so it is not even a little bit surprising to me that a whale would become involved in a conflict like that. I think whales are basically as intelligent as humans. They just have different skills.

    They are indeed!

    And I see no reason why bison could not have been helpful to the Dakota Native Americans. They are known to be highly intelligent.
    I don't think they are known to be highly intelligent, and I am not thinking these buffalo consciously came running in because they knew there was a pipeline that their Native friends are protesting and they needed a boost in morale, lol, but I am not one to argue against the mysteries of the "spiritual" connections that may be possible between humans and animals when humans are willing to open themselves to it. Maybe those animals sensed something, who knows?
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    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    http://usuncut.com/news/amnesty-international-just-sent-human-rights-observers-north-dakota-protect-water-protectors/

    Amnesty International just sent human rights observers to North Dakota to protect water protectors
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    Official Support for Standing Rock Sioux Tribe against DAPL

    https://www.crowdrise.com/official-support-for-standing-rock-sioux-tribe-against-dapl
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Cool! Thank you, Free!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Free said:

    'What a Crock': Clinton Breaks DAPL Silence With Statement That Says 'Literally Nothing'

    http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/10/28/what-crock-clinton-breaks-dapl-silence-statement-says-literally-nothing

    Did we expect anything more from HRC?

    Nope!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    brianlux said:

    Free said:

    'What a Crock': Clinton Breaks DAPL Silence With Statement That Says 'Literally Nothing'

    http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/10/28/what-crock-clinton-breaks-dapl-silence-statement-says-literally-nothing

    Did we expect anything more from HRC?

    Nope!
    The stark difference between how Hillary addresses it vs. how Bernie addresses it.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,681
    Free said:

    brianlux said:

    Free said:

    'What a Crock': Clinton Breaks DAPL Silence With Statement That Says 'Literally Nothing'

    http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/10/28/what-crock-clinton-breaks-dapl-silence-statement-says-literally-nothing

    Did we expect anything more from HRC?

    Nope!
    The stark difference between how Hillary addresses it vs. how Bernie addresses it.
    It is a shame.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Drinks are on me. :wink:
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • mookeywrench
    mookeywrench Posts: 6,071
    Bump to get open threads on page 1
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    CNN for ya. Angry at protesters, this is the kind of story that they'll show, and that's it.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/29/us/dakota-pipeline-standing-rock-sioux/index.html

  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,681
    Free said:

    CNN for ya. Angry at protesters, this is the kind of story that they'll show, and that's it.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/29/us/dakota-pipeline-standing-rock-sioux/index.html

    Infuriating.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata