I think it's pretty well proven that whales are highly intelligent and have decision making skills, and social communication abilities, so it is not even a little bit surprising to me that a whale would become involved in a conflict like that. I think whales are basically as intelligent as humans. They just have different skills.
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I think it's pretty well proven that whales are highly intelligent and have decision making skills, and social communication abilities, so it is not even a little bit surprising to me that a whale would become involved in a conflict like that. I think whales are basically as intelligent as humans. They just have different skills.
They are indeed!
And I see no reason why bison could not have been helpful to the Dakota Native Americans. They are known to be highly intelligent.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
The animals know. Years ago when a Sea Shepherd ship and crew were investigating illegal fishing operations in eastern Russia a Russian naval ship tried to ram the Sea Shepherd ship but was prevented from doing so by a whale that came between the two vessels. The whale was unharmed and the Sea Shepherd crew escaped.
The animals know.
They really do.
No, they don't. They're ruminants, herd animals, and they're moving around over their range. I really don't think they're watching the news or getting tweets on their phones. The roaming charges alone would be atrocious.
I know this may sound far fetched, but I really truly honest to god (Buddha, Jesus, Mohamed, or "Other Divine Being") believe they do. If you read the account of the whale that saved the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society ship and crew you might believe it too. I'll try to find it and post it.
I am definitely willing to consider that cetaceans would come close enough to investigate. They are intelligent and social animals, and there are other reports of cetaceans socializing with humans and even "rescuing" them. I don't for a minute believe that they know the difference between the SSCS and a Russian ship. Why would they?
And bison? Glorified cows, acting exactly as a herd of ruminants does.
I have enormous respect for pretty much any animal in the natural world, but that respect means recognizing it as purely itself in its niche, and not anthropomorphizing it.
When I was in grade ate biology class I remember my teacher walking in on the first day of school and wrote w/ chalk on the board "Anthropomorphize" We of course had no clue what that word meant but the teacher said "kids, you all know Mickey Mouse and he is alive in your minds w/ thoughts and feelings" To this day I had yet to find a reason to use the word until now. Thanks Often.
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The animals know. Years ago when a Sea Shepherd ship and crew were investigating illegal fishing operations in eastern Russia a Russian naval ship tried to ram the Sea Shepherd ship but was prevented from doing so by a whale that came between the two vessels. The whale was unharmed and the Sea Shepherd crew escaped.
The animals know.
They really do.
No, they don't. They're ruminants, herd animals, and they're moving around over their range. I really don't think they're watching the news or getting tweets on their phones. The roaming charges alone would be atrocious.
I know this may sound far fetched, but I really truly honest to god (Buddha, Jesus, Mohamed, or "Other Divine Being") believe they do. If you read the account of the whale that saved the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society ship and crew you might believe it too. I'll try to find it and post it.
I am definitely willing to consider that cetaceans would come close enough to investigate. They are intelligent and social animals, and there are other reports of cetaceans socializing with humans and even "rescuing" them. I don't for a minute believe that they know the difference between the SSCS and a Russian ship. Why would they?
And bison? Glorified cows, acting exactly as a herd of ruminants does.
I have enormous respect for pretty much any animal in the natural world, but that respect means recognizing it as purely itself in its niche, and not anthropomorphizing it.
"Rescue" I agree was the wrong word. "Intervene" would have been better.
No, oftenreading, I don't believe anthropomorphizing other animals shows any respect whatsoever. Doing so might even be slighting them. But on the flip side, I personally would find my being zoomorphized by another to be quite a compliment.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
I think it's pretty well proven that whales are highly intelligent and have decision making skills, and social communication abilities, so it is not even a little bit surprising to me that a whale would become involved in a conflict like that. I think whales are basically as intelligent as humans. They just have different skills.
They are indeed!
And I see no reason why bison could not have been helpful to the Dakota Native Americans. They are known to be highly intelligent.
I don't think they are known to be highly intelligent, and I am not thinking these buffalo consciously came running in because they knew there was a pipeline that their Native friends are protesting and they needed a boost in morale, lol, but I am not one to argue against the mysteries of the "spiritual" connections that may be possible between humans and animals when humans are willing to open themselves to it. Maybe those animals sensed something, who knows?
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
It's so openly biased, yet viewers still think they get accurate information. That story was about one native, one person, but because that one person on the side of the station's bias, they'll air it.
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Thank goodness for the internet in this day and age. Other than actually being there, it's the only way to get even a basic understanding of what's going on. Main stream media is not going to give a true perspective. That would go against their interests.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
A Golden Eagle Lands On Standing Rock, Allows Water Protectors To Touch Him
This is a stretch. An eagle spirit coming to him? Pretty selfish. The eagle was probably looking for food. This is too close for comfort to a bird landing on the emporium of Sanders. ............. sorry I had to stop typing for a second I saw a bird land outside my window and I thought it was for me.
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A Golden Eagle Lands On Standing Rock, Allows Water Protectors To Touch Him
This is a stretch. An eagle spirit coming to him? Pretty selfish. The eagle was probably looking for food. This is too close for comfort to a bird landing on the emporium of Sanders. ............. sorry I had to stop typing for a second I saw a bird land outside my window and I thought it was for me.
Even the title of this thread reeks of arrogance and petulance.
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“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
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And I see no reason why bison could not have been helpful to the Dakota Native Americans. They are known to be highly intelligent.
We of course had no clue what that word meant but the teacher said "kids, you all know Mickey Mouse and he is alive in your minds w/ thoughts and feelings"
To this day I had yet to find a reason to use the word until now.
Thanks Often.
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/10/28/what-crock-clinton-breaks-dapl-silence-statement-says-literally-nothing
No, oftenreading, I don't believe anthropomorphizing other animals shows any respect whatsoever. Doing so might even be slighting them. But on the flip side, I personally would find my being zoomorphized by another to be quite a compliment.
Sanders Just Wrote an Open Letter Calling on President Obama to Stop the Dakota Pipeline
Amnesty International just sent human rights observers to North Dakota to protect water protectors
https://www.crowdrise.com/official-support-for-standing-rock-sioux-tribe-against-dapl
Nope!
A Strategy to Stop the Funding Behind the Dakota Access Pipeline
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/29/us/dakota-pipeline-standing-rock-sioux/index.html
http://www.theearthchild.co.za/golden-eagle-lands-standing-rock-allows-water-protectors-touch/
A Golden Eagle Lands On Standing Rock, Allows Water Protectors To Touch Him
An eagle spirit coming to him? Pretty selfish.
The eagle was probably looking for food.
This is too close for comfort to a bird landing on the emporium of Sanders.
.............
sorry I had to stop typing for a second I saw a bird land outside my window and I thought it was for me.
Albuquerque, NM Tingley Coliseum July 7, 1998
New York City, NY MSG May 20, 2010
Eddie Vedder Solo Albuquerque, NM November 9, 2012
Wrigley Field July 19, 2013
LA Nov. 23: 24, 2013
Denver 10-22-14