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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,655
    oftenreading said:
    mrussel1 said:
    For every Kap type you name I'll name a domestic abuser not in the league and another person who kneeled and is still in the league. 
    What is a "Kap type"? I don't even know what you're arguing here. 

    "Kap" type:

    Kaep type (older version):

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  • cincybearcat
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    cdthomas1981 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    cdthomas1981 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    He's better than some QBs that will start this week.
    Like who?

    Eli Manning
    Trubisky
    Haskins
    David Blough

    None of those guys should be starting in the NFL.  
    Philip Rivers
    Baker Mayfield
    Joe Flacco
    Jared Goff

    he’s better than them as well
    So you think the chargers should cut rivers and pay Kap? Get the hell out of here.

    Brkwns should get rid of Mayfield? C’mon.

    Broncos who already tried to get him and he declined? No chance.

    Goff? Really? You are out of your mind.

    clearly people that don’t watch any football shouldn’t be talking 
    Rivers should retire at the end of the season.
    Mayfield is a hot mess and will not come close to his rookie season.
    Still means he's better than Flacco.
    Goff is regressing and without an All-Pro RB, which Todd Gurley is no more, cannot will his team to win.

    I'm not saying anyone should cut players and sign Kap.  I'm saying he can play better than those four QBs.  I watch football, probably more than you if you believe any one of these 4 QBs will make their team a winner.  Either they're too old (Rivers), arrogant (Mayfield) or weren't that good in the first place (Goff).
    So you would dump a long time starter (rivers) for Kaep?  Rivers QBR the last 2 years are 69.1 and 48.2.  CK was 43.4 and 49.5.

    Mayfield is in his second season under a rookie contract picked #1 overall.  You'll dump him for CK?  BK last 2 years 53.2 & 46.5.

    Flacco - I gotta agree, no idea how he got a job. CK is better likely but both don't win you games

    Goff - Last 2 years 63.1 & 45.1.  Yes they are having bad years.  Trend...maybe.  But CK doesn't give you any more.

    Rivers is old and could be done.  HOF career.  CK...nope.  Mayfield is young and still has performed better than CK's last 2 seasons. Goff is young, went to a superbowl, played better over the last 2 years than CK.  Couple of good to great games for him recently as well.

    There is more that goes into QB than who is better now.  And even if it was, 3/4 of those guys are better than CK was at his end.
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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,491
    F Me In The Brain said:
    How can you do any worse than lose?  
    Rivers is so washed up it is pathetic.  He can't even pull his signature move, which of course is to make faces and yell at his teammates.  

    I thought his signature move was impregnating his wife.  What's he up to? A dozen kids?  Never peak in high school, folks!
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  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,797
    HesCalledDyer said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    How can you do any worse than lose?  
    Rivers is so washed up it is pathetic.  He can't even pull his signature move, which of course is to make faces and yell at his teammates.  

    I thought his signature move was impregnating his wife.  What's he up to? A dozen kids?  Never peak in high school, folks!

    :lol:     
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  • Glorified KC
    Glorified KC KCMO Native Posts: 2,814
    cincybearcat said:
    cdthomas1981 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    cdthomas1981 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    He's better than some QBs that will start this week.
    Like who?

    Eli Manning
    Trubisky
    Haskins
    David Blough

    None of those guys should be starting in the NFL.  
    Philip Rivers
    Baker Mayfield
    Joe Flacco
    Jared Goff

    he’s better than them as well
    So you think the chargers should cut rivers and pay Kap? Get the hell out of here.

    Brkwns should get rid of Mayfield? C’mon.

    Broncos who already tried to get him and he declined? No chance.

    Goff? Really? You are out of your mind.

    clearly people that don’t watch any football shouldn’t be talking 
    Rivers should retire at the end of the season.
    Mayfield is a hot mess and will not come close to his rookie season.
    Still means he's better than Flacco.
    Goff is regressing and without an All-Pro RB, which Todd Gurley is no more, cannot will his team to win.

    I'm not saying anyone should cut players and sign Kap.  I'm saying he can play better than those four QBs.  I watch football, probably more than you if you believe any one of these 4 QBs will make their team a winner.  Either they're too old (Rivers), arrogant (Mayfield) or weren't that good in the first place (Goff).
    So you would dump a long time starter (rivers) for Kaep?  Rivers QBR the last 2 years are 69.1 and 48.2.  CK was 43.4 and 49.5.

    Mayfield is in his second season under a rookie contract picked #1 overall.  You'll dump him for CK?  BK last 2 years 53.2 & 46.5.

    Flacco - I gotta agree, no idea how he got a job. CK is better likely but both don't win you games

    Goff - Last 2 years 63.1 & 45.1.  Yes they are having bad years.  Trend...maybe.  But CK doesn't give you any more.

    Rivers is old and could be done.  HOF career.  CK...nope.  Mayfield is young and still has performed better than CK's last 2 seasons. Goff is young, went to a superbowl, played better over the last 2 years than CK.  Couple of good to great games for him recently as well.

    There is more that goes into QB than who is better now.  And even if it was, 3/4 of those guys are better than CK was at his end.
    Yes.
    Yes.
    Yes.
    Yes.

    I’m done explaining myself.  I guess I better go watch something that isn’t football.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    cdthomas1981 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    cdthomas1981 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    cdthomas1981 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    He's better than some QBs that will start this week.
    Like who?

    Eli Manning
    Trubisky
    Haskins
    David Blough

    None of those guys should be starting in the NFL.  
    Philip Rivers
    Baker Mayfield
    Joe Flacco
    Jared Goff

    he’s better than them as well
    So you think the chargers should cut rivers and pay Kap? Get the hell out of here.

    Brkwns should get rid of Mayfield? C’mon.

    Broncos who already tried to get him and he declined? No chance.

    Goff? Really? You are out of your mind.

    clearly people that don’t watch any football shouldn’t be talking 
    Rivers should retire at the end of the season.
    Mayfield is a hot mess and will not come close to his rookie season.
    Still means he's better than Flacco.
    Goff is regressing and without an All-Pro RB, which Todd Gurley is no more, cannot will his team to win.

    I'm not saying anyone should cut players and sign Kap.  I'm saying he can play better than those four QBs.  I watch football, probably more than you if you believe any one of these 4 QBs will make their team a winner.  Either they're too old (Rivers), arrogant (Mayfield) or weren't that good in the first place (Goff).
    So you would dump a long time starter (rivers) for Kaep?  Rivers QBR the last 2 years are 69.1 and 48.2.  CK was 43.4 and 49.5.

    Mayfield is in his second season under a rookie contract picked #1 overall.  You'll dump him for CK?  BK last 2 years 53.2 & 46.5.

    Flacco - I gotta agree, no idea how he got a job. CK is better likely but both don't win you games

    Goff - Last 2 years 63.1 & 45.1.  Yes they are having bad years.  Trend...maybe.  But CK doesn't give you any more.

    Rivers is old and could be done.  HOF career.  CK...nope.  Mayfield is young and still has performed better than CK's last 2 seasons. Goff is young, went to a superbowl, played better over the last 2 years than CK.  Couple of good to great games for him recently as well.

    There is more that goes into QB than who is better now.  And even if it was, 3/4 of those guys are better than CK was at his end.
    Yes.
    Yes.
    Yes.
    Yes.

    I’m done explaining myself.  I guess I better go watch something that isn’t football.
    In fairness, I'm sure that the time off and rest has made Kap better at reading defenses.  https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2294034-why-colin-kaepernick-has-been-reduced-to-49ers-least-valuable-offensive-player

    Colin Kaepernick's 2012-14 Stats
    QBRPasser RatingPFF Rating
    201272.298.311.9
    201368.691.65.2
    201452.285.1-13.5
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,306
    edited December 2019
    mrussel1 said:
    cdthomas1981 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    cdthomas1981 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    cdthomas1981 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    He's better than some QBs that will start this week.
    Like who?

    Eli Manning
    Trubisky
    Haskins
    David Blough

    None of those guys should be starting in the NFL.  
    Philip Rivers
    Baker Mayfield
    Joe Flacco
    Jared Goff

    he’s better than them as well
    So you think the chargers should cut rivers and pay Kap? Get the hell out of here.

    Brkwns should get rid of Mayfield? C’mon.

    Broncos who already tried to get him and he declined? No chance.

    Goff? Really? You are out of your mind.

    clearly people that don’t watch any football shouldn’t be talking 
    Rivers should retire at the end of the season.
    Mayfield is a hot mess and will not come close to his rookie season.
    Still means he's better than Flacco.
    Goff is regressing and without an All-Pro RB, which Todd Gurley is no more, cannot will his team to win.

    I'm not saying anyone should cut players and sign Kap.  I'm saying he can play better than those four QBs.  I watch football, probably more than you if you believe any one of these 4 QBs will make their team a winner.  Either they're too old (Rivers), arrogant (Mayfield) or weren't that good in the first place (Goff).
    So you would dump a long time starter (rivers) for Kaep?  Rivers QBR the last 2 years are 69.1 and 48.2.  CK was 43.4 and 49.5.

    Mayfield is in his second season under a rookie contract picked #1 overall.  You'll dump him for CK?  BK last 2 years 53.2 & 46.5.

    Flacco - I gotta agree, no idea how he got a job. CK is better likely but both don't win you games

    Goff - Last 2 years 63.1 & 45.1.  Yes they are having bad years.  Trend...maybe.  But CK doesn't give you any more.

    Rivers is old and could be done.  HOF career.  CK...nope.  Mayfield is young and still has performed better than CK's last 2 seasons. Goff is young, went to a superbowl, played better over the last 2 years than CK.  Couple of good to great games for him recently as well.

    There is more that goes into QB than who is better now.  And even if it was, 3/4 of those guys are better than CK was at his end.
    Yes.
    Yes.
    Yes.
    Yes.

    I’m done explaining myself.  I guess I better go watch something that isn’t football.
    In fairness, I'm sure that the time off and rest has made Kap better at reading defenses.  https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2294034-why-colin-kaepernick-has-been-reduced-to-49ers-least-valuable-offensive-player

    Colin Kaepernick's 2012-14 Stats

    		QBRPasser RatingPFF Rating
    2012 72.2 98.311.9
    2013 68.6 91.65.2
    2014 52.2 85.1-13.5
    games played per season?
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    cdthomas1981 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    cdthomas1981 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    cdthomas1981 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    He's better than some QBs that will start this week.
    Like who?

    Eli Manning
    Trubisky
    Haskins
    David Blough

    None of those guys should be starting in the NFL.  
    Philip Rivers
    Baker Mayfield
    Joe Flacco
    Jared Goff

    he’s better than them as well
    So you think the chargers should cut rivers and pay Kap? Get the hell out of here.

    Brkwns should get rid of Mayfield? C’mon.

    Broncos who already tried to get him and he declined? No chance.

    Goff? Really? You are out of your mind.

    clearly people that don’t watch any football shouldn’t be talking 
    Rivers should retire at the end of the season.
    Mayfield is a hot mess and will not come close to his rookie season.
    Still means he's better than Flacco.
    Goff is regressing and without an All-Pro RB, which Todd Gurley is no more, cannot will his team to win.

    I'm not saying anyone should cut players and sign Kap.  I'm saying he can play better than those four QBs.  I watch football, probably more than you if you believe any one of these 4 QBs will make their team a winner.  Either they're too old (Rivers), arrogant (Mayfield) or weren't that good in the first place (Goff).
    So you would dump a long time starter (rivers) for Kaep?  Rivers QBR the last 2 years are 69.1 and 48.2.  CK was 43.4 and 49.5.

    Mayfield is in his second season under a rookie contract picked #1 overall.  You'll dump him for CK?  BK last 2 years 53.2 & 46.5.

    Flacco - I gotta agree, no idea how he got a job. CK is better likely but both don't win you games

    Goff - Last 2 years 63.1 & 45.1.  Yes they are having bad years.  Trend...maybe.  But CK doesn't give you any more.

    Rivers is old and could be done.  HOF career.  CK...nope.  Mayfield is young and still has performed better than CK's last 2 seasons. Goff is young, went to a superbowl, played better over the last 2 years than CK.  Couple of good to great games for him recently as well.

    There is more that goes into QB than who is better now.  And even if it was, 3/4 of those guys are better than CK was at his end.
    Yes.
    Yes.
    Yes.
    Yes.

    I’m done explaining myself.  I guess I better go watch something that isn’t football.
    In fairness, I'm sure that the time off and rest has made Kap better at reading defenses.  https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2294034-why-colin-kaepernick-has-been-reduced-to-49ers-least-valuable-offensive-player

    Colin Kaepernick's 2012-14 Stats

    		QBRPasser RatingPFF Rating
    2012 72.2 98.311.9
    2013 68.6 91.65.2
    2014 52.2 85.1-13.5
    games played per season?
    Just about all.  I just checked and after the SB season, he went 8-8, 3-6 and 2-10 as a starter.  
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,306
    next question naturally follows, how intact did the team stay in that same period from the SB team?
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    mickeyrat said:
    next question naturally follows, how intact did the team stay in that same period from the SB team?
    I don't know.. I mean you could argue 15 different ways in each direction.  At the end of the day, the team did not perform well under Kap for the last two years.  I think that's plain.  How many Browns qbs didn't get another chance even though the skill players sucked?  It hasn't stopped Brady.  I think the argument that Kap is clearly better after sitting for a few years, compared to Goff, Rivers and Mayfield, is pretty silly.  Is it impossible?  No of course not.  But I sure as hell wouldn't take that chance.  
  • ed243421
    ed243421 Posts: 7,728
    He played the final 7 reg season games and playoffs and sb in 2012

    98 rating with 9 pro bowlers and 5 1st team all pros 



    he went 12-4 in 2013 and won 2 playoff games

    91 rating with 9 pro bowlers and 1 1st team all pro



    he went 8-8 in 2014 

    86 rating with 3 pro bowlers


    Then harbaugh left, he was hurt in 2015, and in 2016, with 0 pro bowlers, and with receivers I don’t know, had a 90 rating with 16 tds/ 4 ints and ran for more yards per attempt than any other season
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    I remember watching the 49ers play the Dolphins in Kaepernick's final season. I never saw a QB look like he gave less of a fuck than he did that day. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    When you win, you have a lot of pro bowlers.  When you lose, you don't.  That's a chicken/egg argument.  
  • ed243421
    ed243421 Posts: 7,728
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    I remember watching the 49ers play the Dolphins in Kaepernick's final season. I never saw a QB look like he gave less of a fuck than he did that day. 
    U shoulda picked a different game 

    he lost 31-24 that day going 29 for 46 (most attempts that season) 296 yards, 3 tds 1 int, 10 rushes for 113 yds (best rushing game of season)
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    ed243421 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    I remember watching the 49ers play the Dolphins in Kaepernick's final season. I never saw a QB look like he gave less of a fuck than he did that day. 
    U shoulda picked a different game 

    he lost 31-24 that day going 29 for 46 (most attempts that season) 296 yards, 3 tds 1 int, 10 rushes for 113 yds (best rushing game of season)
    I didn't say he didn't play well. I said he didn't look like he gave a fuck. 
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  • mrussel1
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    ed243421 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    I remember watching the 49ers play the Dolphins in Kaepernick's final season. I never saw a QB look like he gave less of a fuck than he did that day. 
    U shoulda picked a different game 

    he lost 31-24 that day going 29 for 46 (most attempts that season) 296 yards, 3 tds 1 int, 10 rushes for 113 yds (best rushing game of season)
    Those sound like Jameis numbers.. looks great on paper, great for fantasy, but in real life he didn't win.  
  • ed243421
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    Ya, you’re probs right

    no one could win an nfl game with those numbers 


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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    ed243421 said:
    Ya, you’re probs right

    no one could win an nfl game with those numbers 


    He lost the game.  
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    I love it when Mayfield goes 15-21 for 210 yards and 2 tds.  And Chubb runs for 135 yards and 2 tds.  That's how you win football games.  
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    mrussel1 said:
    ed243421 said:
    Ya, you’re probs right

    no one could win an nfl game with those numbers 


    He lost the game.  
    Lol
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......

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