Kaepernick

mrussel1

F Me In The Brain said:

The owners absolutely can make that choice, from either an economic or moral position.  Just don't collude as a group and don't try and say it is because he is not good enough.  

My guess is that Kap got a pretty good payout for the collusion deal.  Deservedly. 

brianlux

I'm taking a knee for how totally off the mark most of this thread is related to it's original intent.

F Me In The Brain

Ahh, I think it continues to call attention to the facts that he is sharing.

oftenreading

Weird how Kaepernick’s peaceful protest for justice for the black community is too much drama for the owners, yet the NFL is still full of domestic abusers. It seems that some vague, ill-informed sense of “respect for the flag” (but not what it stands for” is more important than respect for women. 

mrussel1

oftenreading said:

Weird how Kaepernick’s peaceful protest for justice for the black community is too much drama for the owners, yet the NFL is still full of domestic abusers. It seems that some vague, ill-informed sense of “respect for the flag” (but not what it stands for” is more important than respect for women. 

Like Ray Rice?  

mrussel1

For every Kap type you name I'll name a domestic abuser not in the league and another person who kneeled and is still in the league. 

mcgruff10

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

Weird how Kaepernick’s peaceful protest for justice for the black community is too much drama for the owners, yet the NFL is still full of domestic abusers. It seems that some vague, ill-informed sense of “respect for the flag” (but not what it stands for” is more important than respect for women. 

Like Ray Rice?  

Or Josh Brown or Greg hardy?

mcgruff10

F Me In The Brain said:

Ahh, I think it continues to call attention to the facts that he is sharing.

I totally respect what he was trying to do; I just don’t think you can be out of the game that long and still be good.  

mrussel1

mcgruff10 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Ahh, I think it continues to call attention to the facts that he is sharing.

I totally respect what he was trying to do; I just don’t think you can be out of the game that long and still be good.  

This is true.  I watched some footage and it wasn't particularly impressive.  It's also not indicative of live action. 

oftenreading

mrussel1 said:

For every Kap type you name I'll name a domestic abuser not in the league and another person who kneeled and is still in the league. 

What is a "Kap type"? I don't even know what you're arguing here. 

mrussel1

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

For every Kap type you name I'll name a domestic abuser not in the league and another person who kneeled and is still in the league. 

What is a "Kap type"? I don't even know what you're arguing here. 

While many players knelt,  only Kap is in the specific situation.  I was highly critical of the NFL for how they handled the situation,  but the dickhole president made it a wedge issue.  And then the NFL likely colluded to keep him out. All of that is condemnable.  But your statement is over stated.  The NFL essentially colluded to keep Rice out for the same basic reason.  Bad publicity.  And he was a much better player than Kap. At this point,  if Kap really wanted to play again he would not have centered that interview around social justice.  It would have been about him only.  

oftenreading

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

For every Kap type you name I'll name a domestic abuser not in the league and another person who kneeled and is still in the league. 

What is a "Kap type"? I don't even know what you're arguing here. 

While many players knelt,  only Kap is in the specific situation.  I was highly critical of the NFL for how they handled the situation,  but the dickhole president made it a wedge issue.  And then the NFL likely colluded to keep him out. All of that is condemnable.  But your statement is over stated.  The NFL essentially colluded to keep Rice out for the same basic reason.  Bad publicity.  And he was a much better player than Kap. At this point,  if Kap really wanted to play again he would not have centered that interview around social justice.  It would have been about him only.  

 "...if Kap really wanted to play again he would not have centered that interview around social justice.  It would have been about him only."

It seems you're missing the entire point of his protest, if you don't want it to be about social justice. Are you arguing that he should be abandoning the protest now, just so that he can play? 

"Only Kap is in the specific situation" because he led the protest. The league was never going to terminate dozens of players, which just proves how hypocritical they are. 

And Rice is far from the only domestic abuser in the league. The domestic abuse policy is lax at best, inconsistently applied and fairly easy to get around. 

Edit: "The NFL essentially colluded to keep Rice out for the same reason. Bad publicity." You're honestly equating the two? That's an absurd argument. No question that a guy who assaults his partner should be out of NFL. That's not collusion, that's a rare bit of common sense. 

mrussel1

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

For every Kap type you name I'll name a domestic abuser not in the league and another person who kneeled and is still in the league. 

What is a "Kap type"? I don't even know what you're arguing here. 

While many players knelt,  only Kap is in the specific situation.  I was highly critical of the NFL for how they handled the situation,  but the dickhole president made it a wedge issue.  And then the NFL likely colluded to keep him out. All of that is condemnable.  But your statement is over stated.  The NFL essentially colluded to keep Rice out for the same basic reason.  Bad publicity.  And he was a much better player than Kap. At this point,  if Kap really wanted to play again he would not have centered that interview around social justice.  It would have been about him only.  

 "...if Kap really wanted to play again he would not have centered that interview around social justice.  It would have been about him only."

It seems you're missing the entire point of his protest, if you don't want it to be about social justice. Are you arguing that he should be abandoning the protest now, just so that he can play? 

"Only Kap is in the specific situation" because he led the protest. The league was never going to terminate dozens of players, which just proves how hypocritical they are. 

And Rice is far from the only domestic abuser in the league. The domestic abuse policy is lax at best, inconsistently applied and fairly easy to get around. 

I'll reply to the rest later,  but the collective bargaining agreement governs the suspensions and expulsions for those issues. 

oftenreading

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

For every Kap type you name I'll name a domestic abuser not in the league and another person who kneeled and is still in the league. 

What is a "Kap type"? I don't even know what you're arguing here. 

While many players knelt,  only Kap is in the specific situation.  I was highly critical of the NFL for how they handled the situation,  but the dickhole president made it a wedge issue.  And then the NFL likely colluded to keep him out. All of that is condemnable.  But your statement is over stated.  The NFL essentially colluded to keep Rice out for the same basic reason.  Bad publicity.  And he was a much better player than Kap. At this point,  if Kap really wanted to play again he would not have centered that interview around social justice.  It would have been about him only.  

 "...if Kap really wanted to play again he would not have centered that interview around social justice.  It would have been about him only."

It seems you're missing the entire point of his protest, if you don't want it to be about social justice. Are you arguing that he should be abandoning the protest now, just so that he can play? 

"Only Kap is in the specific situation" because he led the protest. The league was never going to terminate dozens of players, which just proves how hypocritical they are. 

And Rice is far from the only domestic abuser in the league. The domestic abuse policy is lax at best, inconsistently applied and fairly easy to get around. 

I'll reply to the rest later,  but the collective bargaining agreement governs the suspensions and expulsions for those issues. 

Sure, and can be gotten around. 

mcgruff10

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

For every Kap type you name I'll name a domestic abuser not in the league and another person who kneeled and is still in the league. 

What is a "Kap type"? I don't even know what you're arguing here. 

While many players knelt,  only Kap is in the specific situation.  I was highly critical of the NFL for how they handled the situation,  but the dickhole president made it a wedge issue.  And then the NFL likely colluded to keep him out. All of that is condemnable.  But your statement is over stated.  The NFL essentially colluded to keep Rice out for the same basic reason.  Bad publicity.  And he was a much better player than Kap. At this point,  if Kap really wanted to play again he would not have centered that interview around social justice.  It would have been about him only.  

 "...if Kap really wanted to play again he would not have centered that interview around social justice.  It would have been about him only."

It seems you're missing the entire point of his protest, if you don't want it to be about social justice. Are you arguing that he should be abandoning the protest now, just so that he can play? 

"Only Kap is in the specific situation" because he led the protest. The league was never going to terminate dozens of players, which just proves how hypocritical they are. 

And Rice is far from the only domestic abuser in the league. The domestic abuse policy is lax at best, inconsistently applied and fairly easy to get around. 

I'll reply to the rest later,  but the collective bargaining agreement governs the suspensions and expulsions for those issues. 

Sure, and can be gotten around. 

Who’s playing in the nfl at the moment that has gotten around this?

Glorified KC

cincybearcat said:

cdthomas1981 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

mcgruff10 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

He's better than some QBs that will start this week.

Like who?

Eli Manning
Trubisky
Haskins
David Blough

None of those guys should be starting in the NFL.  

Philip Rivers
Baker Mayfield
Joe Flacco
Jared Goff

he’s better than them as well

So you think the chargers should cut rivers and pay Kap? Get the hell out of here.

Brkwns should get rid of Mayfield? C’mon.

Broncos who already tried to get him and he declined? No chance.

Goff? Really? You are out of your mind.

clearly people that don’t watch any football shouldn’t be talking 

Rivers should retire at the end of the season.
Mayfield is a hot mess and will not come close to his rookie season.
Still means he's better than Flacco.
Goff is regressing and without an All-Pro RB, which Todd Gurley is no more, cannot will his team to win.

I'm not saying anyone should cut players and sign Kap.  I'm saying he can play better than those four QBs.  I watch football, probably more than you if you believe any one of these 4 QBs will make their team a winner.  Either they're too old (Rivers), arrogant (Mayfield) or weren't that good in the first place (Goff).

Glorified KC

F Me In The Brain said:

cincybearcat said:

cdthomas1981 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

mcgruff10 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

He's better than some QBs that will start this week.

Like who?

Eli Manning
Trubisky
Haskins
David Blough

None of those guys should be starting in the NFL.  

Philip Rivers
Baker Mayfield
Joe Flacco
Jared Goff

he’s better than them as well

So you think the chargers should cut rivers and pay Kap? Get the hell out of here.

Brkwns should get rid of Mayfield? C’mon.

Broncos who already tried to get him and he declined? No chance.

Goff? Really? You are out of your mind.

clearly people that don’t watch any football shouldn’t be talking 

I like how you dismiss the opinion of others devoid of any fucking facts.  "People that don't watch any football shouldn't be talking"
He is a Chiefs fan and actively posts on the NFL thread.

I think that would be the same silliness as making a sweeping generalization based on the same amount of factual data/knowledge and say "clearly people who don't like CK because they think America is a lovely and unbiased place for people of color shouldn't be talking"

I appreciate the support, but I don't need to justify or prove to anyone how much football I "watch" or how big of a "fan" I am to the team I root for.  If you want to perceive me as ignorant, go right ahead.  I know who I am.

mrussel1

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

For every Kap type you name I'll name a domestic abuser not in the league and another person who kneeled and is still in the league. 

What is a "Kap type"? I don't even know what you're arguing here. 

While many players knelt,  only Kap is in the specific situation.  I was highly critical of the NFL for how they handled the situation,  but the dickhole president made it a wedge issue.  And then the NFL likely colluded to keep him out. All of that is condemnable.  But your statement is over stated.  The NFL essentially colluded to keep Rice out for the same basic reason.  Bad publicity.  And he was a much better player than Kap. At this point,  if Kap really wanted to play again he would not have centered that interview around social justice.  It would have been about him only.  

 "...if Kap really wanted to play again he would not have centered that interview around social justice.  It would have been about him only."

It seems you're missing the entire point of his protest, if you don't want it to be about social justice. Are you arguing that he should be abandoning the protest now, just so that he can play? 

"Only Kap is in the specific situation" because he led the protest. The league was never going to terminate dozens of players, which just proves how hypocritical they are. 

And Rice is far from the only domestic abuser in the league. The domestic abuse policy is lax at best, inconsistently applied and fairly easy to get around. 

I'll reply to the rest later,  but the collective bargaining agreement governs the suspensions and expulsions for those issues. 

Sure, and can be gotten around. 

You're right, they could collude and refuse to sign someone for reputational reasons.  

mrussel1

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

For every Kap type you name I'll name a domestic abuser not in the league and another person who kneeled and is still in the league. 

What is a "Kap type"? I don't even know what you're arguing here. 

While many players knelt,  only Kap is in the specific situation.  I was highly critical of the NFL for how they handled the situation,  but the dickhole president made it a wedge issue.  And then the NFL likely colluded to keep him out. All of that is condemnable.  But your statement is over stated.  The NFL essentially colluded to keep Rice out for the same basic reason.  Bad publicity.  And he was a much better player than Kap. At this point,  if Kap really wanted to play again he would not have centered that interview around social justice.  It would have been about him only.  

 "...if Kap really wanted to play again he would not have centered that interview around social justice.  It would have been about him only."

It seems you're missing the entire point of his protest, if you don't want it to be about social justice. Are you arguing that he should be abandoning the protest now, just so that he can play? 

"Only Kap is in the specific situation" because he led the protest. The league was never going to terminate dozens of players, which just proves how hypocritical they are. 

And Rice is far from the only domestic abuser in the league. The domestic abuse policy is lax at best, inconsistently applied and fairly easy to get around. 

Edit: "The NFL essentially colluded to keep Rice out for the same reason. Bad publicity." You're honestly equating the two? That's an absurd argument. No question that a guy who assaults his partner should be out of NFL. That's not collusion, that's a rare bit of common sense. 

1. I understand why he protested.  However, if his goal of the workout was to get a contract, he would have been better served to not make the signing the of him a social justice issue.  It should have been an issue of winning.  Signing Kap to a contract will not stop one person of color from being beaten by a shitty cop.  

2. It may be lax, but as I said, it's the CBO.  And the players, with support of the union have appeals, recourse, arbitration and other options if something were inconsistently applied.

3.  Because you agreed with the reasoning doesn't necessarily make it okay to collude.  If I owned a team I would not have offered Rice a contract, no question.  But I probably wouldn't offer Kap one either today.  Every single question during the week will be about him, his issues, etc.  And then they will go ask the other players about him.  Then the coaches during the pressers.  It's all nothing but a distraction and at the end of the day, a team should want to win.  As someone said earlier, he's been out so long that I'm not so sure he's better than many other qbs.  Certainly not better than Rivers, Mayfield and the others mentioned above.  Now if he was on my team when this whole thing started, I would not have cut him.  But at this point, I would not want the drama that comes with Kap.  

F Me In The Brain

cdthomas1981 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

cincybearcat said:

cdthomas1981 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

mcgruff10 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

He's better than some QBs that will start this week.

Like who?

Eli Manning
Trubisky
Haskins
David Blough

None of those guys should be starting in the NFL.  

Philip Rivers
Baker Mayfield
Joe Flacco
Jared Goff

he’s better than them as well

So you think the chargers should cut rivers and pay Kap? Get the hell out of here.

Brkwns should get rid of Mayfield? C’mon.

Broncos who already tried to get him and he declined? No chance.

Goff? Really? You are out of your mind.

clearly people that don’t watch any football shouldn’t be talking 

I like how you dismiss the opinion of others devoid of any fucking facts.  "People that don't watch any football shouldn't be talking"
He is a Chiefs fan and actively posts on the NFL thread.

I think that would be the same silliness as making a sweeping generalization based on the same amount of factual data/knowledge and say "clearly people who don't like CK because they think America is a lovely and unbiased place for people of color shouldn't be talking"

I appreciate the support, but I don't need to justify or prove to anyone how much football I "watch" or how big of a "fan" I am to the team I root for.  If you want to perceive me as ignorant, go right ahead.  I know who I am.

All cool, it wasn't a post to support as much as point out that the comments were silly.  Disagree, sure.  Dismiss?  I guess, but that opens the door for others to make the same sort of assumptions absent facts.