The funniest part to me was that during the break I was thinking "It's Lukin...it's a one minute song...they'll just start it over....that would be easier than picking it up mid-song." And they picked up the last 20 seconds or whatever. Classic.
Yeah...I was watching on periscope and started laughing when they did that. My best friend, unfortunately a non Jammer, asked me what was so funny. I tried to explain how very fast and short Lukin is and how they finished the last 15 seconds after stopping. She looked back with a puzzled You're Crazy expression on her face.
Did him stopping feel like Axl Rose at all to anyone else??
And i understood the initial stoppage..but all the explanations and references he made following were kind of muddled out to me. I didn't even hear the Bartman reference.
No. It felt like 1993-1994 Eddie.
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Had to look this guy Bartman up, I knew nothing about the situation. I get that it was a big deal for him and his momentary lack of perspective (i.e. he should have let the ball go to see if the play goes through) cost him a LOT... but for heaven's sake, Ed is a lifelong Cubs fan, that is Cubs history, PJ was playing in Wrigley Field which was clearly an ongoing dream of theirs (even if it was their 3rd show)... Yes it was a bad joke and it's fine that some were really bothered by it, but it makes all the sense in the world to me that Ed's mind would make that connection in that moment, given all of the context. Especially since it's also VERY very stressful for PJ to see any fan clearly in distress or not ok. And he could see 2 fans in that situation. PJ doesn't f*** around when they see fans in GA in distress - Roskilde was 16 yrs ago? But I'm sure they're still highly effected by and and very vigilant still because of it.
Yes, bad joke, sounds like Ed realized that and back-peddled. But he was also worried about the well-being of 2 female fans and I cut him immense slack for that comment if that's the worst thing he did/said at that show, especially if it all went down while he was trying to address a safety situation. Totally fine to call him out on it, but wow, 3 pages of discussion of it?
This is exactly what happened -- I was two people to left of what happened and saw the whole thing:
The guy who got kicked out was a huge jackass. Early in the night he started shoving a few people. The guy was drunk and his wife/girlfriend got in his face and they were screaming at each other. Nobody knew what was going on but the wife was trying to basically say "you're drunk calm down". A couple of people told him the same and he started pushing again and we called over security. He didn't get booted but he got a stern warning and then started to behave. BTW this was early during Betterman.
Then what happened during Lukin was two-fold -- a girl flat out passed out in about the 8th row. A guy grabbed her and started heading to the rail. Everyone else immediately started clearing the way and helping. The girl was out cold and it was sorta scary. We all started shouting for help but then the guy carrying the girl got to the asshole from before and the asshole probably thought he was getting pushed and turned around and started going fucking crazy. We were all like "dude this girl is passed out" and he sorta calmed down and the girl for over the rail but by that time the song stopped and he was still pushing/jawing and everyone around him was like "you gotta go". So Ed booted him. The girl who was passed out came to as she went over the rail and seemed ok so that's what ed's comment was about but they were actually total separate incidents.
Funniest part was assholes wife had to follow him out over the rail looking pissed cause the guy was an ass. There was another incident where he had gone for beers he didn't need mid-show and was jawing at people on the way back when he was shoving his way back up.
Thank you for the clarification from someone who was there. I'm sorry that you had to deal with that asshole, but glad that you could sort the details out for those in need. Dude was out of line and needed to go.
This is exactly what happened -- I was two people to left of what happened and saw the whole thing:
The guy who got kicked out was a huge jackass. Early in the night he started shoving a few people. The guy was drunk and his wife/girlfriend got in his face and they were screaming at each other. Nobody knew what was going on but the wife was trying to basically say "you're drunk calm down". A couple of people told him the same and he started pushing again and we called over security. He didn't get booted but he got a stern warning and then started to behave. BTW this was early during Betterman.
Then what happened during Lukin was two-fold -- a girl flat out passed out in about the 8th row. A guy grabbed her and started heading to the rail. Everyone else immediately started clearing the way and helping. The girl was out cold and it was sorta scary. We all started shouting for help but then the guy carrying the girl got to the asshole from before and the asshole probably thought he was getting pushed and turned around and started going fucking crazy. We were all like "dude this girl is passed out" and he sorta calmed down and the girl for over the rail but by that time the song stopped and he was still pushing/jawing and everyone around him was like "you gotta go". So Ed booted him. The girl who was passed out came to as she went over the rail and seemed ok so that's what ed's comment was about but they were actually total separate incidents.
Funniest part was assholes wife had to follow him out over the rail looking pissed cause the guy was an ass. There was another incident where he had gone for beers he didn't need mid-show and was jawing at people on the way back when he was shoving his way back up.
Thanks for your recap. Yep sounds like your standard typical meathead. Probably still has his buddies shoot steroids in his ass on a regular basis.
Bartman..ill stick with unfortunate yes..tragic, mob like absolutely not but we can disagree. Eds words after shows he probably regrets bringing it up. Thats all from me on this.
Just watched a documentary on Bartman the other night on ESPN. I feel totally bad for this dude! I think majority of the fans at the game that night would have done the same thing. You can't blame one mistake on the loss. I hope this guy has some sort of peace in his life!
Funniest part was assholes wife had to follow him out over the rail looking pissed cause the guy was an ass. There was another incident where he had gone for beers he didn't need mid-show and was jawing at people on the way back when he was shoving his way back up.
She should have let security deal with him.
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Did him stopping feel like Axl Rose at all to anyone else??
And i understood the initial stoppage..but all the explanations and references he made following were kind of muddled out to me. I didn't even hear the Bartman reference.
No. It felt like 1993-1994 Eddie.
I was going to say 96-98 Eddie. My first two shows, he stopped people from crowd surfing over the seats ("It's like swimming on coral!") and then "gently" reprimanded some jerk who was throwing quarters at him, and suggested that neighboring fans request anyone they see throwing change at the stage to refrain from such behavior, only with more f-bombs. Way more f-bombs.
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Brought him up in the worst possible context basically. It was a mistake, fine... but seriously, aside from the terrible poor taste of the timing, why is Eddie still talking about Bartman like it's a joke? Surely he knows that Bartman's life was very sadly and unfairly ruined by the whole thing. It's not funny.
Some Cubs fans think Bartman was the reason they lost(not true, the team choked) and apparently Ed is one of those, still bitter, fans.
Only a complete idiot actually thinks Bartman was the problem. He was just trying to make a joke. Just like Tig Notaro makes jokes about having cancer. Obviously that's a different level. But I'm just saying I don't think there's anything wrong about trying to make a joke about it.
The funniest part to me was that during the break I was thinking "It's Lukin...it's a one minute song...they'll just start it over....that would be easier than picking it up mid-song." And they picked up the last 20 seconds or whatever. Classic.
It was really impressive how they just picked up like they never stopped. I'm continually amazed by this band.
Whether you understand the reference or not is irrelevant. That is one of the greatest songs in the history of rock. When I first heard that on the Sifl & Olly Show I just about lost my shit. Couldn't stop singing it for a week.
The funniest part to me was that during the break I was thinking "It's Lukin...it's a one minute song...they'll just start it over....that would be easier than picking it up mid-song." And they picked up the last 20 seconds or whatever. Classic.
It was really impressive how they just picked up like they never stopped. I'm continually amazed by this band.
Whether you understand the reference or not is irrelevant. That is one of the greatest songs in the history of rock. When I first heard that on the Sifl & Olly Show I just about lost my shit. Couldn't stop singing it for a week.
Whatever.
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The only way it's similar is that both Bartman and the Lukin Meathead were escorted out of Wrigley Field by security. The optics were similar. That's all Ed was referencing.
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Brought him up in the worst possible context basically. It was a mistake, fine... but seriously, aside from the terrible poor taste of the timing, why is Eddie still talking about Bartman like it's a joke? Surely he knows that Bartman's life was very sadly and unfairly ruined by the whole thing. It's not funny.
Some Cubs fans think Bartman was the reason they lost(not true, the team choked) and apparently Ed is one of those, still bitter, fans.
Only a complete idiot actually thinks Bartman was the problem. He was just trying to make a joke. Just like Tig Notaro makes jokes about having cancer. Obviously that's a different level. But I'm just saying I don't think there's anything wrong about trying to make a joke about it.
I think Ed's reference to Bartman is him making fun of Cub fans who scapegoated him, not making fun of Bartman.
Brought him up in the worst possible context basically. It was a mistake, fine... but seriously, aside from the terrible poor taste of the timing, why is Eddie still talking about Bartman like it's a joke? Surely he knows that Bartman's life was very sadly and unfairly ruined by the whole thing. It's not funny.
Some Cubs fans think Bartman was the reason they lost(not true, the team choked) and apparently Ed is one of those, still bitter, fans.
Only a complete idiot actually thinks Bartman was the problem. He was just trying to make a joke. Just like Tig Notaro makes jokes about having cancer. Obviously that's a different level. But I'm just saying I don't think there's anything wrong about trying to make a joke about it.
I think Ed's reference to Bartman is him making fun of Cub fans who scapegoated him, not making fun of Bartman.
Brought him up in the worst possible context basically. It was a mistake, fine... but seriously, aside from the terrible poor taste of the timing, why is Eddie still talking about Bartman like it's a joke? Surely he knows that Bartman's life was very sadly and unfairly ruined by the whole thing. It's not funny.
Some Cubs fans think Bartman was the reason they lost(not true, the team choked) and apparently Ed is one of those, still bitter, fans.
Only a complete idiot actually thinks Bartman was the problem. He was just trying to make a joke. Just like Tig Notaro makes jokes about having cancer. Obviously that's a different level. But I'm just saying I don't think there's anything wrong about trying to make a joke about it.
I think Ed's reference to Bartman is him making fun of Cub fans who scapegoated him, not making fun of Bartman.
Yeah, no. It was just the optics of a fan once again being escorted out of Wrigley. It was a similar scene. The only person Ed meant to make fun of was the guy who got ejected.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
Brought him up in the worst possible context basically. It was a mistake, fine... but seriously, aside from the terrible poor taste of the timing, why is Eddie still talking about Bartman like it's a joke? Surely he knows that Bartman's life was very sadly and unfairly ruined by the whole thing. It's not funny.
Some Cubs fans think Bartman was the reason they lost(not true, the team choked) and apparently Ed is one of those, still bitter, fans.
Only a complete idiot actually thinks Bartman was the problem. He was just trying to make a joke. Just like Tig Notaro makes jokes about having cancer. Obviously that's a different level. But I'm just saying I don't think there's anything wrong about trying to make a joke about it.
I think Ed's reference to Bartman is him making fun of Cub fans who scapegoated him, not making fun of Bartman.
Brought him up in the worst possible context basically. It was a mistake, fine... but seriously, aside from the terrible poor taste of the timing, why is Eddie still talking about Bartman like it's a joke? Surely he knows that Bartman's life was very sadly and unfairly ruined by the whole thing. It's not funny.
Some Cubs fans think Bartman was the reason they lost(not true, the team choked) and apparently Ed is one of those, still bitter, fans.
Only a complete idiot actually thinks Bartman was the problem. He was just trying to make a joke. Just like Tig Notaro makes jokes about having cancer. Obviously that's a different level. But I'm just saying I don't think there's anything wrong about trying to make a joke about it.
I think Ed's reference to Bartman is him making fun of Cub fans who scapegoated him, not making fun of Bartman.
Yeah, no. It was just the optics of a fan once again being escorted out of Wrigley. It was a similar scene. The only person Ed meant to make fun of was the guy who got ejected.
Didn't Ed say something to the effect of 'they're booing him like Bartman'? That's a joke on Cub fans overreacting. The joke is the 'they' in the sentence. Booing an aggressive a hole fan is appropriate, booing and harrassing Bartman is not.
Brought him up in the worst possible context basically. It was a mistake, fine... but seriously, aside from the terrible poor taste of the timing, why is Eddie still talking about Bartman like it's a joke? Surely he knows that Bartman's life was very sadly and unfairly ruined by the whole thing. It's not funny.
Some Cubs fans think Bartman was the reason they lost(not true, the team choked) and apparently Ed is one of those, still bitter, fans.
Only a complete idiot actually thinks Bartman was the problem. He was just trying to make a joke. Just like Tig Notaro makes jokes about having cancer. Obviously that's a different level. But I'm just saying I don't think there's anything wrong about trying to make a joke about it.
I think Ed's reference to Bartman is him making fun of Cub fans who scapegoated him, not making fun of Bartman.
Brought him up in the worst possible context basically. It was a mistake, fine... but seriously, aside from the terrible poor taste of the timing, why is Eddie still talking about Bartman like it's a joke? Surely he knows that Bartman's life was very sadly and unfairly ruined by the whole thing. It's not funny.
Some Cubs fans think Bartman was the reason they lost(not true, the team choked) and apparently Ed is one of those, still bitter, fans.
Only a complete idiot actually thinks Bartman was the problem. He was just trying to make a joke. Just like Tig Notaro makes jokes about having cancer. Obviously that's a different level. But I'm just saying I don't think there's anything wrong about trying to make a joke about it.
I think Ed's reference to Bartman is him making fun of Cub fans who scapegoated him, not making fun of Bartman.
Yeah, no. It was just the optics of a fan once again being escorted out of Wrigley. It was a similar scene. The only person Ed meant to make fun of was the guy who got ejected.
Didn't Ed say something to the effect of 'they're booing him like Bartman'? That's a joke on Cub fans overreacting. The joke is the 'they' in the sentence. Booing an aggressive a hole fan is appropriate, booing and harrassing Bartman is not.
I'd have to go back and listen. That's not exactly what I heard.
And I don't think Ed thought the crowd was overreacting the other night, considering he waved a sarcastic bye-bye to the guy he kicked out.
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Brought him up in the worst possible context basically. It was a mistake, fine... but seriously, aside from the terrible poor taste of the timing, why is Eddie still talking about Bartman like it's a joke? Surely he knows that Bartman's life was very sadly and unfairly ruined by the whole thing. It's not funny.
Some Cubs fans think Bartman was the reason they lost(not true, the team choked) and apparently Ed is one of those, still bitter, fans.
Only a complete idiot actually thinks Bartman was the problem. He was just trying to make a joke. Just like Tig Notaro makes jokes about having cancer. Obviously that's a different level. But I'm just saying I don't think there's anything wrong about trying to make a joke about it.
I think Ed's reference to Bartman is him making fun of Cub fans who scapegoated him, not making fun of Bartman.
Brought him up in the worst possible context basically. It was a mistake, fine... but seriously, aside from the terrible poor taste of the timing, why is Eddie still talking about Bartman like it's a joke? Surely he knows that Bartman's life was very sadly and unfairly ruined by the whole thing. It's not funny.
Some Cubs fans think Bartman was the reason they lost(not true, the team choked) and apparently Ed is one of those, still bitter, fans.
Only a complete idiot actually thinks Bartman was the problem. He was just trying to make a joke. Just like Tig Notaro makes jokes about having cancer. Obviously that's a different level. But I'm just saying I don't think there's anything wrong about trying to make a joke about it.
I think Ed's reference to Bartman is him making fun of Cub fans who scapegoated him, not making fun of Bartman.
Yeah, no. It was just the optics of a fan once again being escorted out of Wrigley. It was a similar scene. The only person Ed meant to make fun of was the guy who got ejected.
Didn't Ed say something to the effect of 'they're booing him like Bartman'? That's a joke on Cub fans overreacting. The joke is the 'they' in the sentence. Booing an aggressive a hole fan is appropriate, booing and harrassing Bartman is not.
I'd have to go back and listen. That's not exactly what I heard.
And I don't think Ed thought the crowd was overreacting the other night, considering he waved a sarcastic bye-bye to the guy he kicked out.
I mean overreacting with Bartman. That's the joke. He's comparing reactions to two situations that have a similar theme.
Brought him up in the worst possible context basically. It was a mistake, fine... but seriously, aside from the terrible poor taste of the timing, why is Eddie still talking about Bartman like it's a joke? Surely he knows that Bartman's life was very sadly and unfairly ruined by the whole thing. It's not funny.
Some Cubs fans think Bartman was the reason they lost(not true, the team choked) and apparently Ed is one of those, still bitter, fans.
Only a complete idiot actually thinks Bartman was the problem. He was just trying to make a joke. Just like Tig Notaro makes jokes about having cancer. Obviously that's a different level. But I'm just saying I don't think there's anything wrong about trying to make a joke about it.
I think Ed's reference to Bartman is him making fun of Cub fans who scapegoated him, not making fun of Bartman.
Brought him up in the worst possible context basically. It was a mistake, fine... but seriously, aside from the terrible poor taste of the timing, why is Eddie still talking about Bartman like it's a joke? Surely he knows that Bartman's life was very sadly and unfairly ruined by the whole thing. It's not funny.
Some Cubs fans think Bartman was the reason they lost(not true, the team choked) and apparently Ed is one of those, still bitter, fans.
Only a complete idiot actually thinks Bartman was the problem. He was just trying to make a joke. Just like Tig Notaro makes jokes about having cancer. Obviously that's a different level. But I'm just saying I don't think there's anything wrong about trying to make a joke about it.
I think Ed's reference to Bartman is him making fun of Cub fans who scapegoated him, not making fun of Bartman.
Yeah, no. It was just the optics of a fan once again being escorted out of Wrigley. It was a similar scene. The only person Ed meant to make fun of was the guy who got ejected.
Didn't Ed say something to the effect of 'they're booing him like Bartman'? That's a joke on Cub fans overreacting. The joke is the 'they' in the sentence. Booing an aggressive a hole fan is appropriate, booing and harrassing Bartman is not.
I'd have to go back and listen. That's not exactly what I heard.
And I don't think Ed thought the crowd was overreacting the other night, considering he waved a sarcastic bye-bye to the guy he kicked out.
I mean overreacting with Bartman. That's the joke. He's comparing reactions to two situations that have a similar theme.
That's my point. In one case the crowd clearly overreacted. In the other, not at all. Your interpretation doesn't make sense, with all due respect.
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I thought I heard the crowd booing the other night.
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Just watched a documentary on Bartman the other night on ESPN. I feel totally bad for this dude! I think majority of the fans at the game that night would have done the same thing. You can't blame one mistake on the loss. I hope this guy has some sort of peace in his life!
At least 6 or 8 other people in his row and the row behind him did do exactly the same thing - reach for the foul ball. He just happened to be the poor soul whose hands the ball glanced off of.
I think we can crack Bartman jokes 14 years later.. If Bartman's life is still a mess because of his fuck up, its on him. I think most people have moved on.. No one got hurt for Christ's sake, just a bunch of millionare's missed the Series.
I think we can crack Bartman jokes 14 years later.. If Bartman's life is still a mess because of his fuck up, its on him. I think most people have moved on.. No one got hurt for Christ's sake, just a bunch of millionare's missed the Series.
Obviously you didn't watch the 30 For 30 documentary about it. Dude was/is a lifelong fan surrounded by people that were supposedly on his side. At first people were just screaming at him and throwing beers. By the time the team was finished choking away a game they were in control of the guy was genuinely afraid for his physical safety. Rightly so due to the drunken mob mentality at the event. Then his identity was revealed and he couldn't go to work or even stay in his house without being savagely harassed. That Halloween there were 1000s of people wearing Cubs hats with headphones and glasses. It's not a stretch to say that his life became a living hell to the point where the dude had to go Salmon fucking Rushdie and disappear. I'd say that qualifies as someone getting hurt. For what? Trying to catch a foul ball that every single other person around him reached for as well.
I think we can crack Bartman jokes 14 years later.. If Bartman's life is still a mess because of his fuck up, its on him. I think most people have moved on.. No one got hurt for Christ's sake, just a bunch of millionare's missed the Series.
Obviously you didn't watch the 30 For 30 documentary about it. Dude was/is a lifelong fan surrounded by people that were supposedly on his side. At first people were just screaming at him and throwing beers. By the time the team was finished choking away a game they were in control of the guy was genuinely afraid for his physical safety. Rightly so due to the drunken mob mentality at the event. Then his identity was revealed and he couldn't go to work or even stay in his house without being savagely harassed. That Halloween there were 1000s of people wearing Cubs hats with headphones and glasses. It's not a stretch to say that his life became a living hell to the point where the dude had to go Salmon fucking Rushdie and disappear. I'd say that qualifies as someone getting hurt. For what? Trying to catch a foul ball that every single other person around him reached for as well.
Exactly. And not, it's not cool to crack Bartman jokes. Cubs fans are over it. Any TRUE Cubs fan and fan of the game of baseball, anyway. Bungle, Bartman did not fuck up. He reached for a foul ball, out of play which, as Ace mentioned, everyone around him did as well. If Moises Alou doesn't react like a little bitch after the play, most likely it's just like any play with a routine foul ball in the stands - totally forgotten. But Alou's reaction, and the broadcast media continually panning the camera to him... ruined the guys life. I've been a Cubs fan all my life, just as Steve Bartman was. I can't imagine having that taken away from me because the fellow fans of the thing we all love and came to see failed and blamed it on me.
It boils down to this....Comedy is dead. Nobody can tell a joke anymore because someone will have their feelings hurt.
Mr. Bartman should have gone back to the park when invited. He would have received a standing ovation and he'd be going to all the games now.
good point, Empty. they blew up the baseball. Bartman should've gone back to the stadium. and the joke was typical Ed banter. I can't believe there is a whole thread on this and that it made the MSN top headlines yesterday. Ed threw out an asshole in Hampton and I barely heard a peep about it outside of the fanviews thread. I guess this is the slow news season.
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Mr. Bartman should have gone back to the park when invited. He would have received a standing ovation and he'd be going to all the games now.
Nah. It just wasn't funny. Barely comedy at all, and a bad attempt at that, on top of being out-of-date and badly timed, all while being at the expense of a man who has been badly treated. Just because someone attempts a joke it doesn't mean we are obligated to like it. No need to turn this into people being too PC. God knows I'm not, and that "joke" just wasn't good on any level.
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Yes, bad joke, sounds like Ed realized that and back-peddled. But he was also worried about the well-being of 2 female fans and I cut him immense slack for that comment if that's the worst thing he did/said at that show, especially if it all went down while he was trying to address a safety situation. Totally fine to call him out on it, but wow, 3 pages of discussion of it?
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Bartman..ill stick with unfortunate yes..tragic, mob like absolutely not but we can disagree. Eds words after shows he probably regrets bringing it up. Thats all from me on this.
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The only way it's similar is that both Bartman and the Lukin Meathead were escorted out of Wrigley Field by security. The optics were similar. That's all Ed was referencing.
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And I don't think Ed thought the crowd was overreacting the other night, considering he waved a sarcastic bye-bye to the guy he kicked out.
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Mr. Bartman should have gone back to the park when invited. He would have received a standing ovation and he'd be going to all the games now.
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they blew up the baseball. Bartman should've gone back to the stadium. and the joke was typical Ed banter.
I can't believe there is a whole thread on this and that it made the MSN top headlines yesterday.
Ed threw out an asshole in Hampton and I barely heard a peep about it outside of the fanviews thread. I guess this is the slow news season.
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2009- Chicago, IL x 2 / Ed Vedder- Atlanta, GA x 2
2010- Bristow, VA
2011- Alpine Valley, WI (PJ20) x 2 / Ed Vedder- Chicago, IL
2012- Atlanta, GA
2013- Charlotte, NC
2014- Cincinnati, OH
2015- New York, NY
2016- Greenville, SC: Hampton, VA:: Columbia, SC: Raleigh, NC : Lexington, KY: Philly, PA 2: (Wrigley) Chicago, IL x 2 (holy shit): Temple of the Dog- Philly, PA
2017- ED VED- Louisville, KY
2018- Chicago, IL x2, Boston, MA x2
2020- Nashville, TN
2022- Smashville
2023- Austin, TX x2
2024- Baltimore