Implosions

riotgrl

I don't understand the whole "opt out" movement. How can you effect change if you leave the system? I also don't understand how anyone can vilify a system that they don't participate in at all. I guess I'd rather work within the system to change it rather than opt out.

polaris_x

always felt the libertarian approach is flawed ... we don't live our lives in isolation - we are all interconnected in so many ways ... a model of society that leaves the majority of our interconnection to choice simply cannot work ... you put 10 people in a room with enough food to last them a week and someone's not gonna make it ... this vision that given freedom to choose where and how they spend their resources and time they would do so in a manner that benefits the whole doesn't ultimately reconcile with the notion that most libertarians want to be left the fuck alone because at the end of the day - the only person that really matters is themselves ...

unsung

josevolution said:

unsung said:

rgambs said:

unsung said:

rgambs said:

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Tristelune said:

unsung said:

Tristelune said:

unsung said:

The GOP has been trumped. I love seeing them squirm.

The Dems are actively working to alter results. I love that emails are showing the truth.

The Libertarians nominated a CFR Globalist as VP. Nothing to love here.

The LA Times calls for a coup if Trump wins. Nary a peep.

Hillary proves over and over that she is the most evil person alive.


Still going to vote? Voting validates all of the above. Good Luck.

No offense but you're wrong, it's non voting that validates all of the above even if it comes down to choose the least dangerous candidacy.

A. I don't get offended, because I don't use feelings when making decisions like these.

B. I'm not wrong. Your participation in this system reinforces their entire charade. It is fixed to benefit the few. Clearly Sanders people can see that with this email release. Their entire system depends on division and distraction.

C. I long for the day of a complete collapse of this political system. The system has become so power based and corrupt.

D. I don't know how anyone can trust an election result after this.

C. Collapsus of this political system is not a good idea unless there's a solid replacement solution. (Which is needed btw)

D. I don't know how anyone can trust an election result since the Florida mess that got G.W Bush elected in 2000.

C. But there already is, govern yourselves. Why do people feel the need to continue to elect others to rule over them.

That's just silly, government is the only thing standing between you and utter ruin from thousands of sources. You can't protect yourself, without the rule of law, and government to maintain it, none of us would be any better off than Mad Max.


Welcome back, btw!

So you are saying that people are inherently bad?

Enough people are inherently bad to enslave the rest without (or by using, unfortunately) government.

What would stop someone from killing you and taking your shit if there was no government to uphold the rule of law? Your guns won't save you, they will only ensure that you die as violently as you were forced to live.

Are you an anarchist for real, or just rhetorically?

Depends on what you think an Anarchist is. I know what I believe it is.

Ok I'm trying to understand your logic but just don't really know how you want this country to function , am I correct in thinking you believe we don't need government in any capacity ?

I'm for the end of the Federal Government as we know it. I'd restore a limited version as a means of negotiating with other countries and the organization of what it is limited to in Art 1, Sec VIII in the Constitution.

The Federal government is currently nothing more than a wealth distribution agency while being Overlords through their monopoly on the use of force.

rgambs

unsung said:

josevolution said:

unsung said:

rgambs said:

unsung said:

rgambs said:

unsung said:

Tristelune said:

unsung said:

Tristelune said:

unsung said:

The GOP has been trumped. I love seeing them squirm.

The Dems are actively working to alter results. I love that emails are showing the truth.

The Libertarians nominated a CFR Globalist as VP. Nothing to love here.

The LA Times calls for a coup if Trump wins. Nary a peep.

Hillary proves over and over that she is the most evil person alive.


Still going to vote? Voting validates all of the above. Good Luck.

No offense but you're wrong, it's non voting that validates all of the above even if it comes down to choose the least dangerous candidacy.

A. I don't get offended, because I don't use feelings when making decisions like these.

B. I'm not wrong. Your participation in this system reinforces their entire charade. It is fixed to benefit the few. Clearly Sanders people can see that with this email release. Their entire system depends on division and distraction.

C. I long for the day of a complete collapse of this political system. The system has become so power based and corrupt.

D. I don't know how anyone can trust an election result after this.

C. Collapsus of this political system is not a good idea unless there's a solid replacement solution. (Which is needed btw)

D. I don't know how anyone can trust an election result since the Florida mess that got G.W Bush elected in 2000.

C. But there already is, govern yourselves. Why do people feel the need to continue to elect others to rule over them.

That's just silly, government is the only thing standing between you and utter ruin from thousands of sources. You can't protect yourself, without the rule of law, and government to maintain it, none of us would be any better off than Mad Max.


Welcome back, btw!

So you are saying that people are inherently bad?

Enough people are inherently bad to enslave the rest without (or by using, unfortunately) government.

What would stop someone from killing you and taking your shit if there was no government to uphold the rule of law? Your guns won't save you, they will only ensure that you die as violently as you were forced to live.

Are you an anarchist for real, or just rhetorically?

Depends on what you think an Anarchist is. I know what I believe it is.

Ok I'm trying to understand your logic but just don't really know how you want this country to function , am I correct in thinking you believe we don't need government in any capacity ?

I'm for the end of the Federal Government as we know it. I'd restore a limited version as a means of negotiating with other countries and the organization of what it is limited to in Art 1, Sec VIII in the Constitution.

The Federal government is currently nothing more than a wealth distribution agency while being Overlords through their monopoly on the use of force.

This is out of touch with reality in a serious way!

unsung

Actually the way I describe it is what the Constitution calls for.

oftenreading

unsung said:

Actually the way I describe it is what the Constitution calls for.

That doesn't mean that it's useful, practical or relevant for the current condition of the country or the world.

unsung

oftenreading said:

unsung said:

Actually the way I describe it is what the Constitution calls for.

That doesn't mean that it's useful, practical or relevant for the current condition of the country or the world.

I often try to envision what it's like to be a government worshipping statist but it starts to make my brain hurt. See, I actually have the ability to make good decisions and do good things without needing to be told, or worse forced, to do so.

Statism...the world's most dangerous religion.

brianlux

^^^ "I actually have the ability to make good decisions and do good things" (argh, preview and quote buttons not working!)

And there lies the problem- too many people are not capable of making good decisions and doing good things and you can't have government for some and anarchy for others.

unsung

There's that word again...anarchy.

brianlux

I use it differently than the popular version.

unsung

brianlux said:

^^^ "I actually have the ability to make good decisions and do good things" (argh, preview and quote buttons not working!)

And there lies the problem- too many people are not capable of making good decisions and doing good things and you can't have government for some and anarchy for others.

And there lies the problem...ideas so good that government uses force to ensure implementation.

brianlux

OK, let's call it Libertarian. I still stand by what I said. Too many people do not make good choices.

unsung

brianlux said:

I use it differently than the popular version.

Quite possibly your use is correct then.

brianlux

Thank you!

And truly, I wish people did make better choices such that we would not have to MANDATE everything. I get it why that vexes you.

Free

The implosion continues...

Free said:

AP Sources: CEO at Democratic National Committee Resigns


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/ap-sources-ceo-democratic-national-committee-resigns-41072189

unsung

Government is a disease.

rgambs

unsung said:

oftenreading said:

unsung said:

Actually the way I describe it is what the Constitution calls for.

That doesn't mean that it's useful, practical or relevant for the current condition of the country or the world.

I often try to envision what it's like to be a government worshipping statist but it starts to make my brain hurt. See, I actually have the ability to make good decisions and do good things without needing to be told, or worse forced, to do so.

Statism...the world's most dangerous religion.

It makes my brain hurt to think that I could exist as an island but without water to isolate and protect me.

Do you know anything about the economy and state of affairs in America between the Civil War and WW1???
Those should be your halcyon days of yore, when we had a sweatshop economy and a tenement society, back before the evil disease of government statism enslaved people with cleaner food, water, and environment...with labor laws that require payment for work and decent conditions to work in...with a stable economy that didn't implode every 10 years...a social safety net that would allow second chances instead of leaving people to starve in the gutters...

You would do well to study the Chicago Stockyards, should be easy for a native like yourself. You might learn a thing or two about the reality that occurs when people are left to govern their own affairs.

rgambs

unsung said:

Actually the way I describe it is what the Constitution calls for.

Do you think slavery should be legal if a state decides so? Jim Crow?
A majority in Alabama, or maybe Arkansas, one of those forsaken southern puts, still thinks interracial marriage should be illegal...I guess the Federal government should just stand down on that too?
When they teach the Bible in Texas, it's none of the Fed's business eh?

Go Beavers

unsung said:

oftenreading said:

unsung said:

Actually the way I describe it is what the Constitution calls for.

That doesn't mean that it's useful, practical or relevant for the current condition of the country or the world.

I often try to envision what it's like to be a government worshipping statist but it starts to make my brain hurt. See, I actually have the ability to make good decisions and do good things without needing to be told, or worse forced, to do so.

Statism...the world's most dangerous religion.

Aloofness and Libertarians go hand in hand.

jeffbr

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

oftenreading said:

unsung said:

Actually the way I describe it is what the Constitution calls for.

That doesn't mean that it's useful, practical or relevant for the current condition of the country or the world.

I often try to envision what it's like to be a government worshipping statist but it starts to make my brain hurt. See, I actually have the ability to make good decisions and do good things without needing to be told, or worse forced, to do so.

Statism...the world's most dangerous religion.

Aloofness and Libertarians go hand in hand.

As long as we're making grand, sweeping generalities - theft, coercion and statism go hand in hand.