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That's just silly, government is the only thing standing between you and utter ruin from thousands of sources. You can't protect yourself, without the rule of law, and government to maintain it, none of us would be any better off than Mad Max.unsung said:
C. But there already is, govern yourselves. Why do people feel the need to continue to elect others to rule over them.Tristelune said:
C. Collapsus of this political system is not a good idea unless there's a solid replacement solution. (Which is needed btw)unsung said:
A. I don't get offended, because I don't use feelings when making decisions like these.Tristelune said:
No offense but you're wrong, it's non voting that validates all of the above even if it comes down to choose the least dangerous candidacy.unsung said:The GOP has been trumped. I love seeing them squirm.
The Dems are actively working to alter results. I love that emails are showing the truth.
The Libertarians nominated a CFR Globalist as VP. Nothing to love here.
The LA Times calls for a coup if Trump wins. Nary a peep.
Hillary proves over and over that she is the most evil person alive.
Still going to vote? Voting validates all of the above. Good Luck.
B. I'm not wrong. Your participation in this system reinforces their entire charade. It is fixed to benefit the few. Clearly Sanders people can see that with this email release. Their entire system depends on division and distraction.
C. I long for the day of a complete collapse of this political system. The system has become so power based and corrupt.
D. I don't know how anyone can trust an election result after this.
D. I don't know how anyone can trust an election result since the Florida mess that got G.W Bush elected in 2000.
Welcome back, btw!Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
what!?? ... how does someone even remotely say something like this?Degeneratefk said:
There's more stability in the environment now than there ever has been. I'm not sure what more you want to see done.brianlux said:
I'm probably what some would assume to be anti-establishment. Not so. I'm reestablishment. Reestablish some common sense in people (I think we had more of that several decades ago) and particularly reestablish some stability in our environment.rgambs said:It really seems to me that the anti-Clinton faction is a group of single issue voters.
Do they not care about anything beyond establishment vs anti-establishment?
If you vote on a broad range of issues, the choice of Trump or Clinton is obvious, even if it uncomfortable.
Single issue voter? I guess you could call me that. The single issue I care about is bringing stability to the environment. If we don't do that, we die and all else is moot.
But of course there are other issues of social relevance I care about as well. I think your summation is too narrow.0 -
"you can't change the media" is the same rationalization as voting for clinton because she is the lesser of 2 evils ... it's the same rationalization that thinks your current electoral system is democratic ... it's the same rationalization that allows this country to be run by specific interests rather than the people ... it's defeatist in the way the "establishment" wants you to think ... just pick the person with the D or R next to their name and you've done your duty for your country ...Degeneratefk said:
Yes and no? You can't change the media. Fox is always going to be right and CNN is always going to be left. Always. So I ask again, does it really matter that there were a few emails stating that some people in the DNC preferred Clinton to sanders. No, it wouldn't have mattered. I say partly because sanders ran as an anti establishment candidate, when he is in fact part of the establishment.polaris_x said:
yes and no ... if you add other caveats to your IF - such as a more objective media outlet ... no voter suppression ... etc ... then I would say the outcome could very well be different ...Degeneratefk said:Lets pretend for 5 minutes that none of this happened. No emails from inside the DNC tried to slow a Sanders namination. Would the outcome have been different?
but either way - turning a blind eye to methods that are anti-democratic regardless of whether the outcome would have changed is really a self-rationalization of a personal bias ...
i do agree sanders is part of the establishment tho ...0 -
As someone who works with immigrants and refugees from around the world, i can guarantee you that the US is not as fucked up as some of you would like to think it is.polaris_x said:0 -
if you're comp is people coming from war torn countries ... sure ... it's utopia ... but is that the standard you want to use?jerparker20 said:
As someone who works with immigrants and refugees from around the world, i can guarantee you that the US is not as fucked up as some of you would like to think it is.polaris_x said:0 -
Thanks for this post. I need to find the story of Chicken Little. Did it have a happy ending? Did she come to realize the sky wasn't falling? It's been a very long time since I read it.jerparker20 said:
As someone who works with immigrants and refugees from around the world, i can guarantee you that the US is not as fucked up as some of you would like to think it is.polaris_x said:
EDIT: Ah yes, Foxy Loxy to the rescue. Post edited by Kat onFalling down,...not staying down0 -
If we all chose to govern ourselves wouldn't we just divide into smaller groups to create a way to protect ourselves? It's human nature to seek out others, at the very least, for social reasons.rgambs said:
That's just silly, government is the only thing standing between you and utter ruin from thousands of sources. You can't protect yourself, without the rule of law, and government to maintain it, none of us would be any better off than Mad Max.unsung said:
C. But there already is, govern yourselves. Why do people feel the need to continue to elect others to rule over them.Tristelune said:
C. Collapsus of this political system is not a good idea unless there's a solid replacement solution. (Which is needed btw)unsung said:
A. I don't get offended, because I don't use feelings when making decisions like these.Tristelune said:
No offense but you're wrong, it's non voting that validates all of the above even if it comes down to choose the least dangerous candidacy.unsung said:The GOP has been trumped. I love seeing them squirm.
The Dems are actively working to alter results. I love that emails are showing the truth.
The Libertarians nominated a CFR Globalist as VP. Nothing to love here.
The LA Times calls for a coup if Trump wins. Nary a peep.
Hillary proves over and over that she is the most evil person alive.
Still going to vote? Voting validates all of the above. Good Luck.
B. I'm not wrong. Your participation in this system reinforces their entire charade. It is fixed to benefit the few. Clearly Sanders people can see that with this email release. Their entire system depends on division and distraction.
C. I long for the day of a complete collapse of this political system. The system has become so power based and corrupt.
D. I don't know how anyone can trust an election result after this.
D. I don't know how anyone can trust an election result since the Florida mess that got G.W Bush elected in 2000.
Welcome back, btw!Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
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unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
So you are saying that people are inherently bad?rgambs said:
That's just silly, government is the only thing standing between you and utter ruin from thousands of sources. You can't protect yourself, without the rule of law, and government to maintain it, none of us would be any better off than Mad Max.unsung said:
C. But there already is, govern yourselves. Why do people feel the need to continue to elect others to rule over them.Tristelune said:
C. Collapsus of this political system is not a good idea unless there's a solid replacement solution. (Which is needed btw)unsung said:
A. I don't get offended, because I don't use feelings when making decisions like these.Tristelune said:
No offense but you're wrong, it's non voting that validates all of the above even if it comes down to choose the least dangerous candidacy.unsung said:The GOP has been trumped. I love seeing them squirm.
The Dems are actively working to alter results. I love that emails are showing the truth.
The Libertarians nominated a CFR Globalist as VP. Nothing to love here.
The LA Times calls for a coup if Trump wins. Nary a peep.
Hillary proves over and over that she is the most evil person alive.
Still going to vote? Voting validates all of the above. Good Luck.
B. I'm not wrong. Your participation in this system reinforces their entire charade. It is fixed to benefit the few. Clearly Sanders people can see that with this email release. Their entire system depends on division and distraction.
C. I long for the day of a complete collapse of this political system. The system has become so power based and corrupt.
D. I don't know how anyone can trust an election result after this.
D. I don't know how anyone can trust an election result since the Florida mess that got G.W Bush elected in 2000.
Welcome back, btw!0 -
unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
So let's bring more of them in to spread their goodwill.jerparker20 said:
As someone who works with immigrants and refugees from around the world, i can guarantee you that the US is not as fucked up as some of you would like to think it is.polaris_x said:0 -
Yeah, no kidding.polaris_x said:
what!?? ... how does someone even remotely say something like this?Degeneratefk said:
There's more stability in the environment now than there ever has been. I'm not sure what more you want to see done.brianlux said:
I'm probably what some would assume to be anti-establishment. Not so. I'm reestablishment. Reestablish some common sense in people (I think we had more of that several decades ago) and particularly reestablish some stability in our environment.rgambs said:It really seems to me that the anti-Clinton faction is a group of single issue voters.
Do they not care about anything beyond establishment vs anti-establishment?
If you vote on a broad range of issues, the choice of Trump or Clinton is obvious, even if it uncomfortable.
Single issue voter? I guess you could call me that. The single issue I care about is bringing stability to the environment. If we don't do that, we die and all else is moot.
But of course there are other issues of social relevance I care about as well. I think your summation is too narrow.0 -
If you've got the money to purchase CNN from Ted turner, more power to you.polaris_x said:
"you can't change the media" is the same rationalization as voting for clinton because she is the lesser of 2 evils ... it's the same rationalization that thinks your current electoral system is democratic ... it's the same rationalization that allows this country to be run by specific interests rather than the people ... it's defeatist in the way the "establishment" wants you to think ... just pick the person with the D or R next to their name and you've done your duty for your country ...Degeneratefk said:
Yes and no? You can't change the media. Fox is always going to be right and CNN is always going to be left. Always. So I ask again, does it really matter that there were a few emails stating that some people in the DNC preferred Clinton to sanders. No, it wouldn't have mattered. I say partly because sanders ran as an anti establishment candidate, when he is in fact part of the establishment.polaris_x said:
yes and no ... if you add other caveats to your IF - such as a more objective media outlet ... no voter suppression ... etc ... then I would say the outcome could very well be different ...Degeneratefk said:Lets pretend for 5 minutes that none of this happened. No emails from inside the DNC tried to slow a Sanders namination. Would the outcome have been different?
but either way - turning a blind eye to methods that are anti-democratic regardless of whether the outcome would have changed is really a self-rationalization of a personal bias ...
i do agree sanders is part of the establishment tho ...will myself to find a home, a home within myself
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unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
Exactly. You'd also seek out those that are of similar mind instead of having social program experiments forced upon you.riotgrl said:
If we all chose to govern ourselves wouldn't we just divide into smaller groups to create a way to protect ourselves? It's human nature to seek out others, at the very least, for social reasons.rgambs said:
That's just silly, government is the only thing standing between you and utter ruin from thousands of sources. You can't protect yourself, without the rule of law, and government to maintain it, none of us would be any better off than Mad Max.unsung said:
C. But there already is, govern yourselves. Why do people feel the need to continue to elect others to rule over them.Tristelune said:
C. Collapsus of this political system is not a good idea unless there's a solid replacement solution. (Which is needed btw)unsung said:
A. I don't get offended, because I don't use feelings when making decisions like these.Tristelune said:
No offense but you're wrong, it's non voting that validates all of the above even if it comes down to choose the least dangerous candidacy.unsung said:The GOP has been trumped. I love seeing them squirm.
The Dems are actively working to alter results. I love that emails are showing the truth.
The Libertarians nominated a CFR Globalist as VP. Nothing to love here.
The LA Times calls for a coup if Trump wins. Nary a peep.
Hillary proves over and over that she is the most evil person alive.
Still going to vote? Voting validates all of the above. Good Luck.
B. I'm not wrong. Your participation in this system reinforces their entire charade. It is fixed to benefit the few. Clearly Sanders people can see that with this email release. Their entire system depends on division and distraction.
C. I long for the day of a complete collapse of this political system. The system has become so power based and corrupt.
D. I don't know how anyone can trust an election result after this.
D. I don't know how anyone can trust an election result since the Florida mess that got G.W Bush elected in 2000.
Welcome back, btw!0 -
I don't know the numbers, but I can't imagine the United States is pumping more pollution into the atmosphere than they were 5p years ago. The laws enacted by Obama and the EPA have made it almost impossible to ignore. Are you telling me that the unregulated Mills of the 40s, 50s, and 60s polluted less?polaris_x said:
what!?? ... how does someone even remotely say something like this?Degeneratefk said:
There's more stability in the environment now than there ever has been. I'm not sure what more you want to see done.brianlux said:
I'm probably what some would assume to be anti-establishment. Not so. I'm reestablishment. Reestablish some common sense in people (I think we had more of that several decades ago) and particularly reestablish some stability in our environment.rgambs said:It really seems to me that the anti-Clinton faction is a group of single issue voters.
Do they not care about anything beyond establishment vs anti-establishment?
If you vote on a broad range of issues, the choice of Trump or Clinton is obvious, even if it uncomfortable.
Single issue voter? I guess you could call me that. The single issue I care about is bringing stability to the environment. If we don't do that, we die and all else is moot.
But of course there are other issues of social relevance I care about as well. I think your summation is too narrow.will myself to find a home, a home within myself
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unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487Now only government is allowed to destroy rivers.0
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In theory, I like that idea but in reality I don't see that working. I see fighting over territory and resources as we have throughout most of human history.unsung said:
Exactly. You'd also seek out those that are of similar mind instead of having social program experiments forced upon you.riotgrl said:
If we all chose to govern ourselves wouldn't we just divide into smaller groups to create a way to protect ourselves? It's human nature to seek out others, at the very least, for social reasons.rgambs said:
That's just silly, government is the only thing standing between you and utter ruin from thousands of sources. You can't protect yourself, without the rule of law, and government to maintain it, none of us would be any better off than Mad Max.unsung said:
C. But there already is, govern yourselves. Why do people feel the need to continue to elect others to rule over them.Tristelune said:
C. Collapsus of this political system is not a good idea unless there's a solid replacement solution. (Which is needed btw)unsung said:
A. I don't get offended, because I don't use feelings when making decisions like these.Tristelune said:
No offense but you're wrong, it's non voting that validates all of the above even if it comes down to choose the least dangerous candidacy.unsung said:The GOP has been trumped. I love seeing them squirm.
The Dems are actively working to alter results. I love that emails are showing the truth.
The Libertarians nominated a CFR Globalist as VP. Nothing to love here.
The LA Times calls for a coup if Trump wins. Nary a peep.
Hillary proves over and over that she is the most evil person alive.
Still going to vote? Voting validates all of the above. Good Luck.
B. I'm not wrong. Your participation in this system reinforces their entire charade. It is fixed to benefit the few. Clearly Sanders people can see that with this email release. Their entire system depends on division and distraction.
C. I long for the day of a complete collapse of this political system. The system has become so power based and corrupt.
D. I don't know how anyone can trust an election result after this.
D. I don't know how anyone can trust an election result since the Florida mess that got G.W Bush elected in 2000.
Welcome back, btw!Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
I AM MINE0 -
unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487Chicago has had public housing for how long? When the decision was made to reduce it by eliminating the big highrises in favor of integrated neighborhoods crime did in fact skyrocket, and remains so to this day, as you are correct in that territorial lines were redrawn.
I still prefer the system of being able to choose over being forced.0 -
I prefer choice as well but to do so, IMO, would require wholesale economic and political change or destruction. How many are willing to give up capitalism? Democracy? At the global scale very few I think.unsung said:Chicago has had public housing for how long? When the decision was made to reduce it by eliminating the big highrises in favor of integrated neighborhoods crime did in fact skyrocket, and remains so to this day, as you are correct in that territorial lines were redrawn.
I still prefer the system of being able to choose over being forced.
Personally, I would love to see an end to globalism and a return to local economies but I'm not holding my breath.Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
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i don't know the actual numbers either but pollution is a function of the economy as well ... a lot of manufacturing died in the early parts of the obama admin and have started to increase so I wouldn't be surprised to see pollution levels going accordingly ...Degeneratefk said:
I don't know the numbers, but I can't imagine the United States is pumping more pollution into the atmosphere than they were 5p years ago. The laws enacted by Obama and the EPA have made it almost impossible to ignore. Are you telling me that the unregulated Mills of the 40s, 50s, and 60s polluted less?polaris_x said:
what!?? ... how does someone even remotely say something like this?Degeneratefk said:
There's more stability in the environment now than there ever has been. I'm not sure what more you want to see done.brianlux said:
I'm probably what some would assume to be anti-establishment. Not so. I'm reestablishment. Reestablish some common sense in people (I think we had more of that several decades ago) and particularly reestablish some stability in our environment.rgambs said:It really seems to me that the anti-Clinton faction is a group of single issue voters.
Do they not care about anything beyond establishment vs anti-establishment?
If you vote on a broad range of issues, the choice of Trump or Clinton is obvious, even if it uncomfortable.
Single issue voter? I guess you could call me that. The single issue I care about is bringing stability to the environment. If we don't do that, we die and all else is moot.
But of course there are other issues of social relevance I care about as well. I think your summation is too narrow.
sure ... there have been advances in technology that helps remove particulates into the air but that has largely been offset with technology that makes us consume more resources and pollute even more ...
plus - as we look at carbon emissions ... even if they decline year over year - we are still way above what is a sustainable amount ... hence the fact that many foreign trips now have global warming as a primary discussion point ...
in any case - things are not rosy on the environment side ... nowhere close to it ...0 -
GE owns CNN.Degeneratefk said:
If you've got the money to purchase CNN from Ted turner, more power to you.polaris_x said:
"you can't change the media" is the same rationalization as voting for clinton because she is the lesser of 2 evils ... it's the same rationalization that thinks your current electoral system is democratic ... it's the same rationalization that allows this country to be run by specific interests rather than the people ... it's defeatist in the way the "establishment" wants you to think ... just pick the person with the D or R next to their name and you've done your duty for your country ...Degeneratefk said:
Yes and no? You can't change the media. Fox is always going to be right and CNN is always going to be left. Always. So I ask again, does it really matter that there were a few emails stating that some people in the DNC preferred Clinton to sanders. No, it wouldn't have mattered. I say partly because sanders ran as an anti establishment candidate, when he is in fact part of the establishment.polaris_x said:
yes and no ... if you add other caveats to your IF - such as a more objective media outlet ... no voter suppression ... etc ... then I would say the outcome could very well be different ...Degeneratefk said:Lets pretend for 5 minutes that none of this happened. No emails from inside the DNC tried to slow a Sanders namination. Would the outcome have been different?
but either way - turning a blind eye to methods that are anti-democratic regardless of whether the outcome would have changed is really a self-rationalization of a personal bias ...
i do agree sanders is part of the establishment tho ...
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