DNC Philadelphia 2016

PJ_Soul

pjhawks said:

so one protester last night got severely burned when stomping on a burning American flag. while i usually have sympathy for injured people part of me can't help but think she got what she deserved.

I think these Bernie people are really starting to get annoying. you fucking lost. move on people. it's embarrassing chanting for Bernie during the President's speech.

if you're not scared or even disgusted by Trump's relationships/dealings with Russia you aren't paying attention. I mean the man encouraged Russia to hack Hillary's emails. are you fucking kidding me? I honestly can't believe any rational person would vote for him. it's mind boggling to me. I get why some people dislike Hillary but the things people dislike about Hillary the Donald is even worse in those same things.

I hope I'm wrong but I don't think Bill Clinton looks good. If (and hopefully when) Hillary wins I'm not sure bubba makes it through a possible 8 years.

I thought Obama's made some great points and agree on Hillary's resume. I've been telling people i know that i'm not sure in my lifetime we've had a more qualified person to be President than Hillary when based on her experiences within government.

I saw some Trump supporters asked "what could he do to make you not vote for him?".... The answer was almost always "nothing". So they asked stuff like, "what if he murdered someone? Would that change your mind?" They all said no. One man said that if he was a child molester he might reconsider (which is funny, because someone has accused him of doing just that and no one cares).

Free

PJ_Soul said:

pjhawks said:

so one protester last night got severely burned when stomping on a burning American flag. while i usually have sympathy for injured people part of me can't help but think she got what she deserved.

I think these Bernie people are really starting to get annoying. you fucking lost. move on people. it's embarrassing chanting for Bernie during the President's speech.

if you're not scared or even disgusted by Trump's relationships/dealings with Russia you aren't paying attention. I mean the man encouraged Russia to hack Hillary's emails. are you fucking kidding me? I honestly can't believe any rational person would vote for him. it's mind boggling to me. I get why some people dislike Hillary but the things people dislike about Hillary the Donald is even worse in those same things.

I hope I'm wrong but I don't think Bill Clinton looks good. If (and hopefully when) Hillary wins I'm not sure bubba makes it through a possible 8 years.

I thought Obama's made some great points and agree on Hillary's resume. I've been telling people i know that i'm not sure in my lifetime we've had a more qualified person to be President than Hillary when based on her experiences within government.

I saw some Trump supporters asked "what could he do to make you not vote for him?".... The answer was almost always "nothing". So they asked stuff like, "what if he murdered someone? Would that change your mind?" They all said no. One man said that if he was a child molester he might reconsider (which is funny, because someone has accused him of doing just that and no one cares).

The same could be said to Hillary supporters, and they wouldn't budge either. When you're an apologist, you're an apologist.

OnWis97

Cliffy6745 said:

pjhawks said:

so one protester last night got severely burned when stomping on a burning American flag. while i usually have sympathy for injured people part of me can't help but think she got what she deserved.

I think these Bernie people are really starting to get annoying. you fucking lost. move on people. it's embarrassing chanting for Bernie during the President's speech.

if you're not scared or even disgusted by Trump's relationships/dealings with Russia you aren't paying attention. I mean the man encouraged Russia to hack Hillary's emails. are you fucking kidding me? I honestly can't believe any rational person would vote for him. it's mind boggling to me. I get why some people dislike Hillary but the things people dislike about Hillary the Donald is even worse in those same things.

I hope I'm wrong but I don't think Bill Clinton looks good. If (and hopefully when) Hillary wins I'm not sure bubba makes it through a possible 8 years.

I thought Obama's made some great points and agree on Hillary's resume. I've been telling people i know that i'm not sure in my lifetime we've had a more qualified person to be President than Hillary when based on her experiences within government.

This week has certainly confirmed my feelings towards many of the Bernie or bust folks. They largely cannot even speak to their positions.

Their labeling of Hillary voters as "sheep" is getting pretty ironic.

mickeyrat

BS44325 said:

These ratings are not a great sign for the DNC

http://deadline.com/2016/07/dnc-ratings-down-day-3-rnc-barack-obama-americas-got-talent-big-brother-wayward-pines-1201794089/

ohh I get it now. ratings are the indicator of success or failure and how serious something is.

Free

Ex-CIA Chief's Speech Disrupted by Chants of "Love Not War" at DNC

'Badass' protesters wonder: 'Why do we need to be in perpetual warfare?'

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/07/28/ex-cia-chiefs-speech-disrupted-chants-love-not-war-dnc

see video at link

Cliffy6745

Not much in the way of protests tonight. Couple dozen people at FDR. Hasn't been anything really in Center City. Knock on wood...Philly did good..

Boxes&Books

Cliffy6745 said:

Not much in the way of protests tonight. Couple dozen people at FDR. Hasn't been anything really in Center City. Knock on wood...Philly did good..

Dnc had more protestors than rnc according to news reports.

As it has been posted and as it has been made clear, the Hillary camp is doing everything they can to get rid of anyone who isn't demonstrating loyalty to her.

It's to bad the world isn't getting the truth. The DNC party is not united, but I guess if you're running a party you want it to appear like everything is in order. Kind of like her rallies that were a quarter full but cameras wouldn't show the big picture. It's all good. Hope she does a fantastic job today.

Free

Sanders won 48% of the delegation for the dem party and 46% of the vote to get to where we are. So for ANYONE to say Sanders and his delegates don't belong there with an equal voice, all the while the feeble attempts to shut his delegates and supporters out (see above link, where the arena dimmed lights on protesters to ex-CIA speech) and stopped Nina Turner from speaking, etc. They have NO RIGHT.

We are power in numbers and won 46% of that VOTE!! And that was with closed primaries. Imagine what the results would be if they were even slightly opened. Sanders would have won no problem.

If Hillary camp thinks we're going to vote for her? With the treatment Sanders' delegates and supporters have received for merely standing up for our rights by peaceful protests and silent walkouts? Let alone the Wikileaks and primary suppression? Hiring a damned chairwoman after being forced out? Not taking our platform more seriously? REALLY?????

Boxes&Books

Free said:

Sanders won 48% of the delegation for the dem party and 46% of the vote to get to where we are. So for ANYONE to say Sanders and his delegates don't belong there with an equal voice, all the while the feeble attempts to shut his delegates and supporters out (see above link, where the arena dimmed lights on protesters to ex-CIA speech) and stopped Nina Turner from speaking, etc. They have NO RIGHT.

We are power in numbers and won 46% of that VOTE!! And that was with closed primaries. Imagine what the results would be if they were even slightly opened. Sanders would have won no problem.

If Hillary camp thinks we're going to vote for her? With the treatment Sanders' delegates and supporters have received for merely standing up for our rights by peaceful protests and silent walkouts? Let alone the Wikileaks and primary suppression? Hiring a damned chairwoman after being forced out? Not taking our platform more seriously? REALLY?????

This is well said. Couldn't agree with you more. If things would have been done the right way, and if we had a candidate who wasn't filled with so many issues we wouldn't be where we are today. The discussion would be about uniting and sorting out any differences over the course of the election, but instead the DNC rigged everything and the Clintons went along with it. Clinton demonstrated very poor character and has been so secretive about many important matters that affect voters. I could go on and on.
It's hard to disagree with Free here. Common sense

mickeyrat

I'm confused then. If the platform was largely written from Bernies proposals, how is your voice not being heard? Fact remains he did not have the necessary delegates to secure the nomination. All caucuses and primarirs are run by the individual states NOT the dnc.

one thing he really failed to address was the amount of airtime he received and the mostly negative press he was getting. that is squarely on the ad hungry media.


so my question is , was it the man or the ideas?

Cliffy6745

mickeyrat said:

I'm confused then. If the platform was largely written from Bernies proposals, how is your voice not being heard? Fact remains he did not have the necessary delegates to secure the nomination. All caucuses and primarirs are run by the individual states NOT the dnc.

one thing he really failed to address was the amount of airtime he received and the mostly negative press he was getting. that is squarely on the ad hungry media.


so my question is , was it the man or the ideas?

I am at a loss

Cliffy6745

Free said:

Sanders won 48% of the delegation for the dem party and 46% of the vote to get to where we are. So for ANYONE to say Sanders and his delegates don't belong there with an equal voice, all the while the feeble attempts to shut his delegates and supporters out (see above link, where the arena dimmed lights on protesters to ex-CIA speech) and stopped Nina Turner from speaking, etc. They have NO RIGHT.

We are power in numbers and won 46% of that VOTE!! And that was with closed primaries. Imagine what the results would be if they were even slightly opened. Sanders would have won no problem.

If Hillary camp thinks we're going to vote for her? With the treatment Sanders' delegates and supporters have received for merely standing up for our rights by peaceful protests and silent walkouts? Let alone the Wikileaks and primary suppression? Hiring a damned chairwoman after being forced out? Not taking our platform more seriously? REALLY?????

There were definitely more protests, but everything was under control aside from some idiots. From the people I saw, these were largely not democrats so far in they are as far to left as you can get

mrussel1

mickeyrat said:

I'm confused then. If the platform was largely written from Bernies proposals, how is your voice not being heard? Fact remains he did not have the necessary delegates to secure the nomination. All caucuses and primarirs are run by the individual states NOT the dnc.

one thing he really failed to address was the amount of airtime he received and the mostly negative press he was getting. that is squarely on the ad hungry media.


so my question is , was it the man or the ideas?

They cannot be satisfied. Rationality left the movement when Bernie left.

PJ_Soul

tonifig8 said:

Free said:

Sanders won 48% of the delegation for the dem party and 46% of the vote to get to where we are. So for ANYONE to say Sanders and his delegates don't belong there with an equal voice, all the while the feeble attempts to shut his delegates and supporters out (see above link, where the arena dimmed lights on protesters to ex-CIA speech) and stopped Nina Turner from speaking, etc. They have NO RIGHT.

We are power in numbers and won 46% of that VOTE!! And that was with closed primaries. Imagine what the results would be if they were even slightly opened. Sanders would have won no problem.

If Hillary camp thinks we're going to vote for her? With the treatment Sanders' delegates and supporters have received for merely standing up for our rights by peaceful protests and silent walkouts? Let alone the Wikileaks and primary suppression? Hiring a damned chairwoman after being forced out? Not taking our platform more seriously? REALLY?????

This is well said. Couldn't agree with you more. If things would have been done the right way, and if we had a candidate who wasn't filled with so many issues we wouldn't be where we are today. The discussion would be about uniting and sorting out any differences over the course of the election, but instead the DNC rigged everything and the Clintons went along with it. Clinton demonstrated very poor character and has been so secretive about many important matters that affect voters. I could go on and on.
It's hard to disagree with Free here. Common sense

I don't disagree with Free here.... It's just that what's done is done, no matter how unfair and unjust it is. That's really all people are saying when it comes to the Bernie or Bust people who are still making a stink in terms of him in particular. They come off as though they think Bernie might actually somehow still become the nominee, lol. I have no issue with those who are just protesting a rigged nomination process in general. However, the fact remains that this outrage could lead to Trump winning the election, and that is a truly terrible consequence stemming from an ultimately righteous protest that actually has no defined goal, really, besides expressing outrage. While everyone is frothing at the mouth about the Democratic nomination process and blaming it all on Hillary, Trump is going to be laughing all the way to the White House, and for some reason no one will be asking how in the fuck he inexplicably steamrolled over 17 other candidates, some of whom were actually qualified and capable of doing the job, and exploring what's wrong so that that happened. They will all be too focused on how the Dems nominated Hillary even though there is no evidence suggesting that Bernie would have won even if they hadn't tilted things in Hillary's direction. This isn't a suggestion that this issue should be ignored.... but folks might want to make sure that they haven't got massive blinders on, because while 100% of their fury is directed at the Dems, Trump will just stroll right into the White House, and god fucking knows what he'll do to the Republican Party then (or what he'll manage to replace it with). This whole election needs to be looked at with a panoramic view.

PJfanwillneverleave1

PJ_Soul said:

tonifig8 said:

Free said:

Sanders won 48% of the delegation for the dem party and 46% of the vote to get to where we are. So for ANYONE to say Sanders and his delegates don't belong there with an equal voice, all the while the feeble attempts to shut his delegates and supporters out (see above link, where the arena dimmed lights on protesters to ex-CIA speech) and stopped Nina Turner from speaking, etc. They have NO RIGHT.

We are power in numbers and won 46% of that VOTE!! And that was with closed primaries. Imagine what the results would be if they were even slightly opened. Sanders would have won no problem.

If Hillary camp thinks we're going to vote for her? With the treatment Sanders' delegates and supporters have received for merely standing up for our rights by peaceful protests and silent walkouts? Let alone the Wikileaks and primary suppression? Hiring a damned chairwoman after being forced out? Not taking our platform more seriously? REALLY?????

This is well said. Couldn't agree with you more. If things would have been done the right way, and if we had a candidate who wasn't filled with so many issues we wouldn't be where we are today. The discussion would be about uniting and sorting out any differences over the course of the election, but instead the DNC rigged everything and the Clintons went along with it. Clinton demonstrated very poor character and has been so secretive about many important matters that affect voters. I could go on and on.
It's hard to disagree with Free here. Common sense

I don't disagree with Free here.... It's just that what's done is done, no matter how unfair and unjust it is. That's really all people are saying when it comes to the Bernie or Bust people who are still making a stink in terms of him in particular. They come off as though they think Bernie might actually somehow still become the nominee, lol. I have no issue with those who are just protesting a rigged nomination process in general. However, the fact remains that this outrage could lead to Trump winning the election, and that is a truly terrible consequence stemming from an ultimately righteous protest. While everyone is frothing at the mouth about the Democratic nomination process and blaming it all on Hillary, Trump is going to be laughing all the way to the White House, and for some reason no one will be asking how in the fuck he inexplicably steamrolled over 17 other candidates, some of whom were actually qualified and capable of doing the job, and exploring what's wrong so that that happened. They will all be too focused on how the Dems nominated Hillary even though there is no evidence suggesting that Bernie would have won even if they hadn't tilted things in Hillary's direction. This isn't a suggestion that this issue should be ignored.... but folks might want to make sure that they haven't got massive blinders on, because while 100% of their fury is directed at the Dems, Trump will just stroll right into the White House, and god fucking knows what he'll do to the Republican Party then (or what he'll manage to replace it with). This whole election needs to be looked at with a panoramic view.

You asked and answered your own question.
Trump smart.

BS44325

This video shows the love for Hillary in the streets...

https://youtu.be/L_T749zVYhQ

Pretty amazing.

PJ_Soul

Good to know that young black men have an official spokesperson now.

Boxes&Books

BS44325 said:

This video shows the love for Hillary in the streets...

https://youtu.be/L_T749zVYhQ

Pretty amazing.

That's a few hundred/thousand people. Good for them for investing the time. Imagine if all of us had the time and ability to be a part of such energy.

Mellinianls are slowing pushing for a new order - armed with history and a new direction... Good times

Free

mickeyrat said:

I'm confused then. If the platform was largely written from Bernies proposals, how is your voice not being heard? Fact remains he did not have the necessary delegates to secure the nomination. All caucuses and primarirs are run by the individual states NOT the dnc.

one thing he really failed to address was the amount of airtime he received and the mostly negative press he was getting. that is squarely on the ad hungry media.


so my question is , was it the man or the ideas?

What are you talking about? The Dem platform? Or his?

How many times does this have to be repeated? Neither CLINTON NOR SANDERS HAD ENOUGH DELEGATES TO WIN NOMINATION prior to the convention. BOTH invited to the convention regardless of the intense pressure from the DNC to force Sanders to stop. I'll say that again. INTENSE PRESSURE FROM THE DNC AND THE MEDIA TO GET SANDERS TO QUIT EVEN THOUGH HE WON 46% OF THE VOTE. See what happens when you think every thing you see and hear on the media is accurate? It's Not!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016

The 2016 Democratic Party presidential primaries and caucuses were a series of electoral contests organized by the Democratic Party to select the 4,051 delegates to the Democratic National Convention to be held July 25–28 and determine the nominee for President of the United States in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. The elections took place within all fifty U.S. states, the District of Columbia, and five U.S. territories and occurred between February 1 and June 14, 2016. An extra 716 unpledged delegates (712 votes) or "superdelegates" are appointed by the Party independently of the primaries' electoral process.

States do have a say as to how they primary or caucus. And whether they are open or closed.

I agree with you regarding Sanders not addressing "airtime he received and the mostly negative press he was getting". He should have more!

It was both! But mostly his ideas. Because nothing stops now. Bernie's already gone back to being an Independent and his movement move forward, creating new leaders across the country and continuing progressive and people-oriented issues and getting the damn money out of politics.

Free

PJ_Soul said:

tonifig8 said:

Free said:

Sanders won 48% of the delegation for the dem party and 46% of the vote to get to where we are. So for ANYONE to say Sanders and his delegates don't belong there with an equal voice, all the while the feeble attempts to shut his delegates and supporters out (see above link, where the arena dimmed lights on protesters to ex-CIA speech) and stopped Nina Turner from speaking, etc. They have NO RIGHT.

We are power in numbers and won 46% of that VOTE!! And that was with closed primaries. Imagine what the results would be if they were even slightly opened. Sanders would have won no problem.

If Hillary camp thinks we're going to vote for her? With the treatment Sanders' delegates and supporters have received for merely standing up for our rights by peaceful protests and silent walkouts? Let alone the Wikileaks and primary suppression? Hiring a damned chairwoman after being forced out? Not taking our platform more seriously? REALLY?????

This is well said. Couldn't agree with you more. If things would have been done the right way, and if we had a candidate who wasn't filled with so many issues we wouldn't be where we are today. The discussion would be about uniting and sorting out any differences over the course of the election, but instead the DNC rigged everything and the Clintons went along with it. Clinton demonstrated very poor character and has been so secretive about many important matters that affect voters. I could go on and on.
It's hard to disagree with Free here. Common sense

I don't disagree with Free here.... It's just that what's done is done, no matter how unfair and unjust it is. That's really all people are saying when it comes to the Bernie or Bust people who are still making a stink in terms of him in particular. They come off as though they think Bernie might actually somehow still become the nominee, lol. I have no issue with those who are just protesting a rigged nomination process in general. However, the fact remains that this outrage could lead to Trump winning the election, and that is a truly terrible consequence stemming from an ultimately righteous protest that actually has no defined goal, really, besides expressing outrage. While everyone is frothing at the mouth about the Democratic nomination process and blaming it all on Hillary, Trump is going to be laughing all the way to the White House, and for some reason no one will be asking how in the fuck he inexplicably steamrolled over 17 other candidates, some of whom were actually qualified and capable of doing the job, and exploring what's wrong so that that happened. They will all be too focused on how the Dems nominated Hillary even though there is no evidence suggesting that Bernie would have won even if they hadn't tilted things in Hillary's direction. This isn't a suggestion that this issue should be ignored.... but folks might want to make sure that they haven't got massive blinders on, because while 100% of their fury is directed at the Dems, Trump will just stroll right into the White House, and god fucking knows what he'll do to the Republican Party then (or what he'll manage to replace it with). This whole election needs to be looked at with a panoramic view.

How many times have I told you? I am NOT WORRIED about a Trump presidency. Brian is not either. Take your fear and direct it elsewhere. He DOES NOT WANT THE Job. We all know what a narcissist he is, and how much he loves the attention. You really thinks he wants to lead this country, a buffoon wanting to deal with foreign relations? Volunteering to be resident scapegoat at the top? NO! There's no doubt in my mind if he wins, he'll stay.