DNC Philadelphia 2016

brianlux

EdsonNascimento said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

dignin said:

Trump supporters do tend to be under educated, there is no debate there.

I guess the majority of America is under educated.

Also makes one wonder how much folks on this board eat up what the vastly under educated (by their, not my, definition) Eddie Vedder.

I would say in general a good education is necessary to get by in this world but there are exceptions. I have a family member who never graduated from high school and yet in his early twenties bought a house twice as big as mine and makes more money than I ever have. And I have about 200 units of college credit. Go figure!

But I would still argue for a good education and say that in the U.S. we are rapidly falling off the chair that way.

Boxes&Books

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

pickupyourwill said:

http://www.allenbwest.com/allen/bills-speech-im-convinced-convention-something-much-worse-hillary

^^^
So, my mother-in-law just put this up on Facebook a few hours ago. Sometimes divorce seems like my only option to sanity in this world, lol--jk of course.

Oh, and her son, my brother-in-law, put up something suggesting that those voting for Hillary should show their support by taking the plastic bag challenge, with a picture of a kid with a plastic bag over his face suffocating himself. That's real classy, asshole!

Not cool about the plastic bag thing.

I did like what the guy in the link said though:

"...no amount of soaring rhetoric can make me see his wife, Hillary Clinton, as anything other than a pathological liar, an elitist, and someone who abandoned Americans to die.

Hillary Clinton mishandled classified material — gross negligence — which FBI Director Comey renamed as “careless.” Look into the eyes of any young Soldier, Sailor, Airman, or Marine with a security clearance and explain to them why they are punished for “carelessness” when it comes to handling classified material…but the person wanting to be commander in chief is not."

Pretty much sums up HRC for me.

Really Brian? You think HRC left people to die in Benghazi? That's your position?

Yeah, I'm generally known to speak my mind. It's what I do. I may not always be right but you can rest assured, even if I'm full of shit, I'll tell you exactly what I think.

Anyway, yes, I believe she certainly shares responsibility. But I doubt I will convince you of that.

Hillary and Barack didn't leave them to die once the attack took place, but they did leave them unnecessarily exposed when there were clear indications not to. That's why it's funny to me that folks think she's better prepared and Obama had a clue. They are classic reactionaries. They are arrogant and think they know everything....until they don't. Then they react. That's not leadership. There's a reason both have never been in private enterprise without the advantage of their public connections. They'd never survive in the real world without power bestowed that way. How they keep having that power bestowed.... And folks call the Trump supporters under educated. Maybe college isn't all it's cracked up to be for some people.

I agree they are held accountable using the Truman principle of the "the Buck Stops Here". Similar, I'm sure, to your outrage in 1983 at Reagan and George Shultz for the horrific tragedy at the Marine barracks in Beirut. But then again Reagan was an actor, a union rep and a governor so he never really a real job before President. Probably just got a bunch of shit bestowed on him.

Reagan's in this election? Cool. Can I vote for Teddy Roosevelt? Because that's who I'm really waiting for.

No, it's about having some sense of standards and understanding historical context vs politicizing every event. I guess it's easy to cast judgment if your frame of reference is 8 years or you get your limited news from the right wing echo champber, but when you extend it out and look at how other president's have performed under similar circumstances, well then the answer isn't quite as black and white.

But what makes her so qualified? Because she's held a job? Being incompetent proves lack of qualification. As for Reagan, he also squashed Quadafi (sp?) who we didn't hear from again until our friends Hillary and Barack left the door open and ended the Cold War. You are right though. That was a terrible incident that goes "on the record." My question is - what did Hillary do that's come close to that? Her ledger is imbalanced.

1. Hillary is the one that strong armed China and Russia to back the sanctions that eventually led to the JPOA. it's impossible to over-estimate how important this was and it was the very straw that broke Iran.
2. START treaty ratification
3. Negotiated Gaza cease fire
4. Osama Bin Laden's death (hard to know which cabinet member did what, admittedly, on this one)
5. Began the process for normalization of relationships with Cuba.

These quick answers are limited to time as Sec'y. That's not addressing SCHIP, Pediatric Research Equity law, the money she secured for NY after 9/11, etc. Her record of public service certainly exceeds Trump's.

Yet with all of her qualifications she was still careless with her emails/server.
Obama had none, yet he had the foresight to see that the Iraq war was a bad move, where she didn't. She might have a lot of experience, but that alone doesn't make her qualified- she is certainly book smart and is highly educated, but that alone isn't enough to hide/cover up her scams and the red flags surrounding her and her career. There is a reason why she polls so high in the untrustworthiness department. There is a reason why she mentioned her carelessness in her speech on Thursday.

She has certainly been involved in important govt matters, and because of that, you would think she would be coasting along to the presidency. Voters don't need to be educated to judge poor character. Hillary's biggest problem is her character, along with the many red flags surrounding her career and that of her spouse. You can attempt to defend her record all you want, but the facts are the facts- she has been careless and has fucked up enough to not have a secure path against one of the weakest challengers of all time.

mrussel1

brianlux said:

EdsonNascimento said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

dignin said:

Trump supporters do tend to be under educated, there is no debate there.

I guess the majority of America is under educated.

Also makes one wonder how much folks on this board eat up what the vastly under educated (by their, not my, definition) Eddie Vedder.

I would say in general a good education is necessary to get by in this world but there are exceptions. I have a family member who never graduated from high school and yet in his early twenties bought a house twice as big as mine and makes more money than I ever have. And I have about 200 units of college credit. Go figure!

But I would still argue for a good education and say that in the U.S. we are rapidly falling off the chair that way.

I posted this graph several weeks ago...

These are fact about the 2008 recession:
1. 5 million jobs were lost by people with less than a college education
2. Less than a million were lost by those with a college education
3. Since that nadir, there have been 8MM new jobs created for those with a college education
4. Less than 80k have been created for those without college education

The income and employment gap is only growing between those with and without an education.

Boxes&Books

1 in 10 superdelegates were registered lobbyist. Some more insight into our democratic system.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/1-in-10-dnc-superdelegates-were-registered-lobbyists/article/2598229

brianlux

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

EdsonNascimento said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

dignin said:

Trump supporters do tend to be under educated, there is no debate there.

I guess the majority of America is under educated.

Also makes one wonder how much folks on this board eat up what the vastly under educated (by their, not my, definition) Eddie Vedder.

I would say in general a good education is necessary to get by in this world but there are exceptions. I have a family member who never graduated from high school and yet in his early twenties bought a house twice as big as mine and makes more money than I ever have. And I have about 200 units of college credit. Go figure!

But I would still argue for a good education and say that in the U.S. we are rapidly falling off the chair that way.

I posted this graph several weeks ago...

These are fact about the 2008 recession:
1. 5 million jobs were lost by people with less than a college education
2. Less than a million were lost by those with a college education
3. Since that nadir, there have been 8MM new jobs created for those with a college education
4. Less than 80k have been created for those without college education

The income and employment gap is only growing between those with and without an education.

Yes, for sure. Stay in school, kids!

josevolution

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

dignin said:

Trump supporters do tend to be under educated, there is no debate there.

Funny you missed the insinuation. I bet your college educated.

I guess you're not.

Ha, ha, ha. Let's just say my son is being recruited by the top colleges in the country and you know about apples, right?

I love the arrogance, though. Do you look down on people that didn't go to college and assume they are dumber than those that have?

These appear to be your hangups, not mine. My father was a Ukrainian immigrant who never finished the 8th grade. I look down on nobody based on their education.

Bravo bravo me & you have this in common our fathers migrated here for us and now I'm supposed to like a prick like Trump who is against everything I'm for no way I'd rather be dead then vote against everything our fathers stand for , fuck you Trump as a matter of fact fuck the trumpsters who will follow you !!!

Free

Nina Turner posted this on her FB page

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/38281-focus-democrats-emerging-from-philadelphia-divided

Democrats Emerging From Philadelphia Divided

Videos on page worthy of checking out

gimmesometruth27

soooo.....

probably a bad idea to mock a gold star family....

i thought this is something that all of us knew?

gimmesometruth27

overall i enjoyed the dnc convention this year. i was a little concerned about a few things though. most notably the jingoism and the threats of military force. some of those USA chants were done at times that were mildly disturbing.

Free

https://www.facebook.com/BenSwannRealityCheck/videos/1169808779750737/

mrussel1

gimmesometruth27 said:

overall i enjoyed the dnc convention this year. i was a little concerned about a few things though. most notably the jingoism and the threats of military force. some of those USA chants were done at times that were mildly disturbing.

It didn't really bother me, but I'm center left to start. Politically, I thought it was brilliant for Obama, in particular, to bust out a speech that Reagan could have given. You take out a handful of paragraphs, and it was "Morning in America, Redux".

gimmesometruth27

mrussel1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

overall i enjoyed the dnc convention this year. i was a little concerned about a few things though. most notably the jingoism and the threats of military force. some of those USA chants were done at times that were mildly disturbing.

It didn't really bother me, but I'm center left to start. Politically, I thought it was brilliant for Obama, in particular, to bust out a speech that Reagan could have given. You take out a handful of paragraphs, and it was "Morning in America, Redux".

it was very eloquent. to be honest i wasn't sure what he was going to say about clinton. i liked the line where he said "carry her the way you carried me. because that is what this moment demands." quite the contrast from rudy nosferatu and scott baio, lol.

JC29856

brianlux said:

Brian -???

PHILADELPHIA — Bernie Sanders’ forces are claiming victory after pressuring the Democratic National Convention Rules Committee to change the rules regarding superdelegates. Superdelegates are the party honchos and elected officials who automatically get a vote on the Democratic presidential nominee. Because of Hillary Clinton’s long connections, she was able to get a running start toward the nomination because she early on nailed down most of the superdelegates and helped her mount an early lead over Sanders. On Saturday, after a lengthy debate during the Democratic Party’s rules committee — as Occupy protesters marched outside — the Sanders and Clinton delegates agreed to create a “unity” commission. The commission will be charged with developing rules that would reduce the number of superdelegates by two-thirds. It will also give Sanders, Clinton and the Democratic National Committee each the responsibility of picking members for the commission. “This is a tremendous victory for Senator Sanders’ fight to democratize the Democratic Party and reform the Democratic nominating process,” Jeff Weaver, Sanders’ campaign manager, said in a statement. “We were pleased to work with the Clinton campaign to enact this historic commission.” Sanders and his team argued that the superdelegates should be bound by popular votes. The Sanders camp contended throughout the primary season that superdelgates are an example of the “rigged” system, even though Sanders was not a member of the Democratic Party until he launched his presidential campaign. Addressing this sore point with Sanders followers is an attempt by the Clinton forces to smooth over and repair and unify the Democratic family in advance of the kickoff opening of the convention on Monday, where Sanders is scheduled to give a keynote address. Sanders’ furor at the Democratic Party was not only for the superdelegate issue but over the allegations throughout the primary season that the party and its chair Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla., were not neutral. Hacked Democratic National Committee emails – showing staffers plotting against Sanders – sparked a controversy that may spill over to the opening session on Monday.

Thank you, Free. Not sure why I couldn't view it. Bernie supporters need to get over it. Why, if he had just brought in a few ship loads more money, sold his soul to a few major corporations, and wasn't so afraid to CHEAT he could have won. And hey, ship sails are rigged so what the hell is wrong with rigging an election? What a bunch of losers!

Does it now seem like every Bernie-Bro charge against the DNC and Hilliary that was dubbed a "conspiracy"  or being a "sore loser" now seems to be true? Hilliary and the DNC didnt rig the primary!

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774

I had tried to search out any other evidence of internal corruption that would show that the DNC was rigging the system to throw the primary to Hillary, but I could not find any in party affairs or among the staff. I had gone department by department, investigating individual conduct for evidence of skewed decisions, and I was happy to see that I had found none. Then I found this agreement.

The funding arrangement with HFA and the victory fund agreement was not illegal, but it sure looked unethical. If the fight had been fair, one campaign would not have control of the party before the voters had decided which one they wanted to lead. This was not a criminal act, but as I saw it, it compromised the party’s integrity.  

Again remember thou Donna isnt trustworthy, she denied giving the debate questions and she claimed the leaked emails were fakes.

rgambs

Hahaha when I saw this thread at the top of the page I knew exactly which stuck in the past poster was responsible for the bump!

CM189191

"The funding arrangement with HFA and the victory fund agreement was not illegal"
"This was not a criminal act"
-Donna Brazile

JimmyV

Something doesn't have to be illegal to be inappropriate and slimy.

That said, this excerpt does read like Donna is trying real hard to both cover her ass and sell some books.