another "honor killing"

PJPOWER

Speaking from the perspective of someone living in a city that has a way higher ratio of refugees compared to other cities in the US... I'm growing tired of the tribalism, lawlessness, and violence that the refugee population has brought in. I'm fine with helping those in need, but to bring refugees in and dump them in cities that are already strapped for resources is just not a good idea. It is difficult for them to assimilate and they end up trying to start their own mini-governments that do not abide by the country's values and ethics. If we are going to help them, there needs to be better assimilation practices instead of just dumping them wherever there is cheap housing.

Godfather.

jnimhaoileoin said:

This kind of attitude towards Muslims is the result of us branding them all as potential terrorists or sympathisers

http://www.newstalk.com/Muslim-man-removed-from-flight-after-crew-announce-his-name-and-warn-I-will-be-watching-you

.......never mind.

Godfather.

Godfather.

PJPOWER said:

Speaking from the perspective of someone living in a city that has a way higher ratio of refugees compared to other cities in the US... I'm growing tired of the tribalism, lawlessness, and violence that the refugee population has brought in. I'm fine with helping those in need, but to bring refugees in and dump them in cities that are already strapped for resources is just not a good idea. It is difficult for them to assimilate and they end up trying to start their own mini-governments that do not abide by the country's values and ethics. If we are going to help them, there needs to be better assimilation practices instead of just dumping them wherever there is cheap housing.

very well said ! but at this point I believe stopping all immigration until we find a better plan and accurate back ground checks is necessary.

Godfather.

Godfather.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/british-serviceman-attempted-abduction-raf-marham-possible-terrorism/

Godfather.

Cliffy6745

Godfather. said:

PJ Soul, Logic ??? where was the logic on 9-11 or the Boston Marathon bombing or the shooting at the bar in FL, the shooting in San Bernardino, or killing there own women for breaking sharia law ? the sexual abuse of children ? sorry but I'm feed up.
there is logic in defending and protecting our country and the Americans that live and work here and making excuses not to do that is illogical, there should be no more chances and no excuses it is time to end the attacks and threats.

Godfather.

How about giving us more than we should close the borders considering Orlando, Boston and CA were done by folks here? Actual policy that could help stop these situations.

The risk of an attack by someone IN the US who has been radicalized because of the closed borders, disrespect of their religion and ostracization is significantly higher than someone coming over as a refugee (especially considering the process to get in)

PJ_Soul

Godfather. said:

PJ Soul, Logic ??? where was the logic on 9-11 or the Boston Marathon bombing or the shooting at the bar in FL, the shooting in San Bernardino, or killing there own women for breaking sharia law ? the sexual abuse of children ? sorry but I'm feed up.
there is logic in defending and protecting our country and the Americans that live and work here and making excuses not to do that is illogical, there should be no more chances and no excuses it is time to end the attacks and threats.

Godfather.

Those things are only relevant for the people who do those things GF. Not for all Muslims. That's the whole point. Nobody is making excuses for people who commit any of the acts that you listed. Those things are inexcusable, and of course all countries should protect themselves from such criminals and psychopaths, and just stupid-ass, brainwashed assholes who are okay with Islamic extremism. But they have nothing to do with good, regular people who treat others well and live peaceful, lawful lives, like most Muslims in America do. I really wish you would stop combining these two groups. It's incredibly offensive.

lukin2006

Cliffy6745 said:

Godfather. said:

PJ Soul, Logic ??? where was the logic on 9-11 or the Boston Marathon bombing or the shooting at the bar in FL, the shooting in San Bernardino, or killing there own women for breaking sharia law ? the sexual abuse of children ? sorry but I'm feed up.
there is logic in defending and protecting our country and the Americans that live and work here and making excuses not to do that is illogical, there should be no more chances and no excuses it is time to end the attacks and threats.

Godfather.

How about giving us more than we should close the borders considering Orlando, Boston and CA were done by folks here? Actual policy that could help stop these situations.

The risk of an attack by someone IN the US who has been radicalized because of the closed borders, disrespect of their religion and ostracization is significantly higher than someone coming over as a refugee (especially considering the process to get in)

Its up to immigrants to assimilate when moving to a new country, No different than if I move to a new city or area within my country, the responsibility would fall on me to blend in somehow ... just because your religion is disrespected or you are ostracized is ABSOLUTELY no reason to go on a jihadist rampage, there is absolutely no reason for these attacks that have been taking place by sick fucks.

The Christian faith gets hammered from time to time, the catholic religion get disrespected all the the time, don't see catholics going on a rampage over it.

By the way i'm an atheist who thinks religion and worshipping an invisible man in the sky is ridiculous, but at least for the most part Christian religions have matured somewhat.

Cliffy6745

lukin2006 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Godfather. said:

PJ Soul, Logic ??? where was the logic on 9-11 or the Boston Marathon bombing or the shooting at the bar in FL, the shooting in San Bernardino, or killing there own women for breaking sharia law ? the sexual abuse of children ? sorry but I'm feed up.
there is logic in defending and protecting our country and the Americans that live and work here and making excuses not to do that is illogical, there should be no more chances and no excuses it is time to end the attacks and threats.

Godfather.

How about giving us more than we should close the borders considering Orlando, Boston and CA were done by folks here? Actual policy that could help stop these situations.

The risk of an attack by someone IN the US who has been radicalized because of the closed borders, disrespect of their religion and ostracization is significantly higher than someone coming over as a refugee (especially considering the process to get in)

Its up to immigrants to assimilate when moving to a new country, No different than if I move to a new city or area within my country, the responsibility would fall on me to blend in somehow ... just because your religion is disrespected or you are ostracized is ABSOLUTELY no reason to go on a jihadist rampage, there is absolutely no reason for these attacks that have been taking place by sick fucks.

The Christian faith gets hammered from time to time, the catholic religion get disrespected all the the time, don't see catholics going on a rampage over it.

By the way i'm an atheist who thinks religion and worshipping an invisible man in the sky is ridiculous, but at least for the most part Christian religions have matured somewhat.

I am not talking about immigrants assimilating. The three attackers I mentioned have been in this country for decades. It doesn't get much more assimilated than Dzhokhar. And when did I say it was a reasonable response? But when your country puts you down time and time again, they may see it as their only place to turn. Why put gas on that fire when it is a significantly bigger risk for the U.S?

No one is calling for Catholics to be deported. They pitch a fit when gays want to be married. Imagine what would happen if we actually tried to kick Catholics out of this country? Or said no more Catholics allowed?

PJ_Soul

lukin2006 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Godfather. said:

PJ Soul, Logic ??? where was the logic on 9-11 or the Boston Marathon bombing or the shooting at the bar in FL, the shooting in San Bernardino, or killing there own women for breaking sharia law ? the sexual abuse of children ? sorry but I'm feed up.
there is logic in defending and protecting our country and the Americans that live and work here and making excuses not to do that is illogical, there should be no more chances and no excuses it is time to end the attacks and threats.

Godfather.

How about giving us more than we should close the borders considering Orlando, Boston and CA were done by folks here? Actual policy that could help stop these situations.

The risk of an attack by someone IN the US who has been radicalized because of the closed borders, disrespect of their religion and ostracization is significantly higher than someone coming over as a refugee (especially considering the process to get in)

Its up to immigrants to assimilate when moving to a new country, No different than if I move to a new city or area within my country, the responsibility would fall on me to blend in somehow ... just because your religion is disrespected or you are ostracized is ABSOLUTELY no reason to go on a jihadist rampage, there is absolutely no reason for these attacks that have been taking place by sick fucks.

The Christian faith gets hammered from time to time, the catholic religion get disrespected all the the time, don't see catholics going on a rampage over it.

By the way i'm an atheist who thinks religion and worshipping an invisible man in the sky is ridiculous, but at least for the most part Christian religions have matured somewhat.

Not assimilate. INTEGRATE.

Godfather.

PJ_Soul said:

Godfather. said:

PJ Soul, Logic ??? where was the logic on 9-11 or the Boston Marathon bombing or the shooting at the bar in FL, the shooting in San Bernardino, or killing there own women for breaking sharia law ? the sexual abuse of children ? sorry but I'm feed up.
there is logic in defending and protecting our country and the Americans that live and work here and making excuses not to do that is illogical, there should be no more chances and no excuses it is time to end the attacks and threats.

Godfather.

Those things are only relevant for the people who do those things GF. Not for all Muslims. That's the whole point. Nobody is making excuses for people who commit any of the acts that you listed. Those things are inexcusable, and of course all countries should protect themselves from such criminals and psychopaths, and just stupid-ass, brainwashed assholes who are okay with Islamic extremism. But they have nothing to do with good, regular people who treat others well and live peaceful, lawful lives, like most Muslims in America do. I really wish you would stop combining these two groups. It's incredibly offensive.

yes but how do we separate these two groups ? how do we know who is who ? it's a very sketchy situation we have and no way to determine the good from bad......it very frustrating to say the least.

Godfather.

Cliffy6745

Godfather. said:

PJ_Soul said:

Godfather. said:

PJ Soul, Logic ??? where was the logic on 9-11 or the Boston Marathon bombing or the shooting at the bar in FL, the shooting in San Bernardino, or killing there own women for breaking sharia law ? the sexual abuse of children ? sorry but I'm feed up.
there is logic in defending and protecting our country and the Americans that live and work here and making excuses not to do that is illogical, there should be no more chances and no excuses it is time to end the attacks and threats.

Godfather.

Those things are only relevant for the people who do those things GF. Not for all Muslims. That's the whole point. Nobody is making excuses for people who commit any of the acts that you listed. Those things are inexcusable, and of course all countries should protect themselves from such criminals and psychopaths, and just stupid-ass, brainwashed assholes who are okay with Islamic extremism. But they have nothing to do with good, regular people who treat others well and live peaceful, lawful lives, like most Muslims in America do. I really wish you would stop combining these two groups. It's incredibly offensive.

yes but how do we separate these two groups ? how do we know who is who ? it's a very sketchy situation we have and no way to determine the good from bad......it very frustrating to say the least.

Godfather.

Since the policy being discussed and debated is typically regarding refugees...

There are three principal categories for classifying refugees under the U.S. refugee program:

Priority One. Individuals with compelling persecution needs or those for whom no other durable solution exists. These individuals are referred to the United States by UNHCR, or they are identified by a U.S. embassy or a non-governmental organization (NGO).

Priority Two. Groups of “special concern” to the United States, which are selected by the Department of State with input from USCIS, UNHCR, and designated NGOs. Currently, the groups include certain persons from the former Soviet Union, Cuba, Democratic Republic of Congo, Iraq, Iran, Burma, and Bhutan.

Priority Three. The relatives of refugees (parents, spouses, and unmarried children under 21) who are already settled in the United States may be admitted as refugees. The U.S.-based relative must file an Affidavit of Relationship (AOR) and must be processed by DHS.

Before admission to the United States, each refugee must undergo an extensive interviewing, screening, and security clearance process conducted by Regional Refugee Coordinators and overseas Resettlement Support Centers (RSCs). To qualify, individuals generally must not already be firmly resettled in any other country. Not everyone who falls into the three preceding categories is admitted to the United States.

The INA requires most prospective refugees to prove their individual case of “well-founded fear,” regardless of the person’s country, circumstance, or classification in a priority category.
Refugees are subject to the grounds of exclusion listed in Section 212(a) of the INA, including health-related grounds, moral/criminal grounds, and security grounds. They may also be excluded for polygamy, misrepresentation of facts on visa applications, smuggling, and previous deportations. Waivers exist for certain grounds of exclusion.
After a refugee has been conditionally accepted for resettlement, the RSC sends a request for assurance of placement to the United States, and the Refugee Processing Center (RPC) works with private voluntary agencies (VOLAG) to determine where the refugee will live. Refugees resettled in the United States do not need to have a U.S. “sponsor.” If a refugee approved for admission does have a relative living in the United States, every effort will be made to place the refugee near his or her relative.

If a person is accepted as a refugee for admission to the United States, it is conditioned upon the individual passing a medical examination and all security checks.
According to a Human Rights First report, the processing times of the U.S. refugee resettlement program “can be quite prolonged, leaving some refugees stranded in dangerous locations or in difficult circumstances.” According to the Department of State the entire process can take an average of 18-24 months to complete. These issues have improved in recent years; in a 2014 report, the Obama Administration cited “interagency coordination and processing procedures” as one of the reasons for increased admissions.
Once this assurance of placement has been secured and medical examinations and security checks have been completed, RSCs work together with the International Organization for Migration (IOM) to schedule and arrange refugee travel to the United States.

Before departing, refugees sign a promissory note to repay the United States for their travel costs. This travel loan is an interest-free loan that refugees begin to pay back six months after arriving in the country.
Upon receipt of the IOM travel notification, the VOLAG arranges for the reception of refugees at the airport and transportation to their housing at their final destination.
U.S.-based relative must file an Affidavit of Relationship (AOR) and must be processed by DHS.

http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-facts/refugees-fact-sheet

lukin2006

PJ_Soul said:

lukin2006 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Godfather. said:

PJ Soul, Logic ??? where was the logic on 9-11 or the Boston Marathon bombing or the shooting at the bar in FL, the shooting in San Bernardino, or killing there own women for breaking sharia law ? the sexual abuse of children ? sorry but I'm feed up.
there is logic in defending and protecting our country and the Americans that live and work here and making excuses not to do that is illogical, there should be no more chances and no excuses it is time to end the attacks and threats.

Godfather.

How about giving us more than we should close the borders considering Orlando, Boston and CA were done by folks here? Actual policy that could help stop these situations.

The risk of an attack by someone IN the US who has been radicalized because of the closed borders, disrespect of their religion and ostracization is significantly higher than someone coming over as a refugee (especially considering the process to get in)

Its up to immigrants to assimilate when moving to a new country, No different than if I move to a new city or area within my country, the responsibility would fall on me to blend in somehow ... just because your religion is disrespected or you are ostracized is ABSOLUTELY no reason to go on a jihadist rampage, there is absolutely no reason for these attacks that have been taking place by sick fucks.

The Christian faith gets hammered from time to time, the catholic religion get disrespected all the the time, don't see catholics going on a rampage over it.

By the way i'm an atheist who thinks religion and worshipping an invisible man in the sky is ridiculous, but at least for the most part Christian religions have matured somewhat.

Not assimilate. INTEGRATE.

Assimilate or integrate .... either way it's their responsibility, not mine ...

benjs

Godfather. said:

PJ_Soul said:

Godfather. said:

PJ Soul, Logic ??? where was the logic on 9-11 or the Boston Marathon bombing or the shooting at the bar in FL, the shooting in San Bernardino, or killing there own women for breaking sharia law ? the sexual abuse of children ? sorry but I'm feed up.
there is logic in defending and protecting our country and the Americans that live and work here and making excuses not to do that is illogical, there should be no more chances and no excuses it is time to end the attacks and threats.

Godfather.

Those things are only relevant for the people who do those things GF. Not for all Muslims. That's the whole point. Nobody is making excuses for people who commit any of the acts that you listed. Those things are inexcusable, and of course all countries should protect themselves from such criminals and psychopaths, and just stupid-ass, brainwashed assholes who are okay with Islamic extremism. But they have nothing to do with good, regular people who treat others well and live peaceful, lawful lives, like most Muslims in America do. I really wish you would stop combining these two groups. It's incredibly offensive.

yes but how do we separate these two groups ? how do we know who is who ? it's a very sketchy situation we have and no way to determine the good from bad......it very frustrating to say the least.

Godfather.

Godfather, surely you mean all Muslim countries, correct? If that's the case, you'll need to include Saudi Arabia, since most of the hijackers in the 9/11 attacks were from there. I have to assume you'll then be okay with the probable rise in the price of oil since they are the second-largest producer of oil in the world, and the subsequent increase of cost of nearly any goods you or any other American might consume.

And, of course, I'm sure you won't blame the next POTUS, Hilary Clinton, when the cost of living jumps as a result, right?

PJ_Soul

lukin2006 said:

PJ_Soul said:

lukin2006 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Godfather. said:

PJ Soul, Logic ??? where was the logic on 9-11 or the Boston Marathon bombing or the shooting at the bar in FL, the shooting in San Bernardino, or killing there own women for breaking sharia law ? the sexual abuse of children ? sorry but I'm feed up.
there is logic in defending and protecting our country and the Americans that live and work here and making excuses not to do that is illogical, there should be no more chances and no excuses it is time to end the attacks and threats.

Godfather.

How about giving us more than we should close the borders considering Orlando, Boston and CA were done by folks here? Actual policy that could help stop these situations.

The risk of an attack by someone IN the US who has been radicalized because of the closed borders, disrespect of their religion and ostracization is significantly higher than someone coming over as a refugee (especially considering the process to get in)

Its up to immigrants to assimilate when moving to a new country, No different than if I move to a new city or area within my country, the responsibility would fall on me to blend in somehow ... just because your religion is disrespected or you are ostracized is ABSOLUTELY no reason to go on a jihadist rampage, there is absolutely no reason for these attacks that have been taking place by sick fucks.

The Christian faith gets hammered from time to time, the catholic religion get disrespected all the the time, don't see catholics going on a rampage over it.

By the way i'm an atheist who thinks religion and worshipping an invisible man in the sky is ridiculous, but at least for the most part Christian religions have matured somewhat.

Not assimilate. INTEGRATE.

Assimilate or integrate .... either way it's their responsibility, not mine ...

I think successful integration of immigrants is the responsibility of the US government, federal, state, and local, along with the immigrants, and US citizens in terms of making them feel welcome (something that a lot of Americans are failing miserably at right now). Keep in mind that immigration is actually good for America long term. Immigration isn't just allowed out of the goodness of the US government's heart. There is a point to allowing it. Refugees are a humanitarian thing, but immigrants are not. For the US to reap the rewards of immigration, it has to provide services and resources to said immigrants in order to help them successfully integrate and provide the benefits that they are expected to. Refugees of course would have access to the same resources. And while there is real room for improvement in the US (and an attitude problem, currently), the States actually do a relatively good job with immigrant integration. I think that is because Americans are so gung-ho about being American, and it rubs off, frankly. There is a kind of pressure in the US for immigrants to "step in line" that other countries don't have. Integration of first generation immigrants isn't as successful in Canada and most other nations. That said, this leaves room for improvement. That should be the focus. Also keep in mind that a lot of issues that some have with a lack of integration of newcomers fix themselves with time. Second and third generation immigrants (natural born Americans) tend to be pretty well integrated (crazy fucking disillusioned morons turned extremists excluded of course).

Cliffy6745

We have to ban Asians too...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binghamton_shootings (directly across the street from my high school)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seung-Hui_Cho

Godfather.

benjs said:

Godfather. said:

PJ_Soul said:

Godfather. said:

PJ Soul, Logic ??? where was the logic on 9-11 or the Boston Marathon bombing or the shooting at the bar in FL, the shooting in San Bernardino, or killing there own women for breaking sharia law ? the sexual abuse of children ? sorry but I'm feed up.
there is logic in defending and protecting our country and the Americans that live and work here and making excuses not to do that is illogical, there should be no more chances and no excuses it is time to end the attacks and threats.

Godfather.

Those things are only relevant for the people who do those things GF. Not for all Muslims. That's the whole point. Nobody is making excuses for people who commit any of the acts that you listed. Those things are inexcusable, and of course all countries should protect themselves from such criminals and psychopaths, and just stupid-ass, brainwashed assholes who are okay with Islamic extremism. But they have nothing to do with good, regular people who treat others well and live peaceful, lawful lives, like most Muslims in America do. I really wish you would stop combining these two groups. It's incredibly offensive.

yes but how do we separate these two groups ? how do we know who is who ? it's a very sketchy situation we have and no way to determine the good from bad......it very frustrating to say the least.

Godfather.

Godfather, surely you mean all Muslim countries, correct? If that's the case, you'll need to include Saudi Arabia, since most of the hijackers in the 9/11 attacks were from there. I have to assume you'll then be okay with the probable rise in the price of oil since they are the second-largest producer of oil in the world, and the subsequent increase of cost of nearly any goods you or any other American might consume.

And, of course, I'm sure you won't blame the next POTUS, Hilary Clinton, when the cost of living jumps as a result, right?

while it's been a hoot debating this topic it has run it's course for me, nothing I or any of us say on here will change a thing and all of us are strong minded enough to stand by our own opinions...yes I am a bullheaded SOB, so we'll just have to wait to see who gets elected and what changes may or may not come and hope for the best...in our opinions LOL !

Godfather.

benjs

Godfather. said:

benjs said:

Godfather. said:

PJ_Soul said:

Godfather. said:

PJ Soul, Logic ??? where was the logic on 9-11 or the Boston Marathon bombing or the shooting at the bar in FL, the shooting in San Bernardino, or killing there own women for breaking sharia law ? the sexual abuse of children ? sorry but I'm feed up.
there is logic in defending and protecting our country and the Americans that live and work here and making excuses not to do that is illogical, there should be no more chances and no excuses it is time to end the attacks and threats.

Godfather.

Those things are only relevant for the people who do those things GF. Not for all Muslims. That's the whole point. Nobody is making excuses for people who commit any of the acts that you listed. Those things are inexcusable, and of course all countries should protect themselves from such criminals and psychopaths, and just stupid-ass, brainwashed assholes who are okay with Islamic extremism. But they have nothing to do with good, regular people who treat others well and live peaceful, lawful lives, like most Muslims in America do. I really wish you would stop combining these two groups. It's incredibly offensive.

yes but how do we separate these two groups ? how do we know who is who ? it's a very sketchy situation we have and no way to determine the good from bad......it very frustrating to say the least.

Godfather.

Godfather, surely you mean all Muslim countries, correct? If that's the case, you'll need to include Saudi Arabia, since most of the hijackers in the 9/11 attacks were from there. I have to assume you'll then be okay with the probable rise in the price of oil since they are the second-largest producer of oil in the world, and the subsequent increase of cost of nearly any goods you or any other American might consume.

And, of course, I'm sure you won't blame the next POTUS, Hilary Clinton, when the cost of living jumps as a result, right?

while it's been a hoot debating this topic it has run it's course for me, nothing I or any of us say on here will change a thing and all of us are strong minded enough to stand by our own opinions...yes I am a bullheaded SOB, so we'll just have to wait to see who gets elected and what changes may or may not come and hope for the best...in our opinions LOL !

Godfather.

I'm asking you an honest question: if you feel that the US should take a comprehensive unequivocal "no more Muslim immigrants" stance, are you prepared for the reality that this could certainly jeopardize the relationship America has with the second-largest oil producer in the world?

Godfather.

benjs said:

Godfather. said:

benjs said:

Godfather. said:

PJ_Soul said:

Godfather. said:

PJ Soul, Logic ??? where was the logic on 9-11 or the Boston Marathon bombing or the shooting at the bar in FL, the shooting in San Bernardino, or killing there own women for breaking sharia law ? the sexual abuse of children ? sorry but I'm feed up.
there is logic in defending and protecting our country and the Americans that live and work here and making excuses not to do that is illogical, there should be no more chances and no excuses it is time to end the attacks and threats.

Godfather.

Those things are only relevant for the people who do those things GF. Not for all Muslims. That's the whole point. Nobody is making excuses for people who commit any of the acts that you listed. Those things are inexcusable, and of course all countries should protect themselves from such criminals and psychopaths, and just stupid-ass, brainwashed assholes who are okay with Islamic extremism. But they have nothing to do with good, regular people who treat others well and live peaceful, lawful lives, like most Muslims in America do. I really wish you would stop combining these two groups. It's incredibly offensive.

yes but how do we separate these two groups ? how do we know who is who ? it's a very sketchy situation we have and no way to determine the good from bad......it very frustrating to say the least.

Godfather.

Godfather, surely you mean all Muslim countries, correct? If that's the case, you'll need to include Saudi Arabia, since most of the hijackers in the 9/11 attacks were from there. I have to assume you'll then be okay with the probable rise in the price of oil since they are the second-largest producer of oil in the world, and the subsequent increase of cost of nearly any goods you or any other American might consume.

And, of course, I'm sure you won't blame the next POTUS, Hilary Clinton, when the cost of living jumps as a result, right?

while it's been a hoot debating this topic it has run it's course for me, nothing I or any of us say on here will change a thing and all of us are strong minded enough to stand by our own opinions...yes I am a bullheaded SOB, so we'll just have to wait to see who gets elected and what changes may or may not come and hope for the best...in our opinions LOL !

Godfather.

I'm asking you an honest question: if you feel that the US should take a comprehensive unequivocal "no more Muslim immigrants" stance, are you prepared for the reality that this could certainly jeopardize the relationship America has with the second-largest oil producer in the world?

yes, oil will be sold to us regardless because it's all about money.

Godfather.

Cliffy6745

Godfather. said:

benjs said:

Godfather. said:

PJ_Soul said:

Godfather. said:

PJ Soul, Logic ??? where was the logic on 9-11 or the Boston Marathon bombing or the shooting at the bar in FL, the shooting in San Bernardino, or killing there own women for breaking sharia law ? the sexual abuse of children ? sorry but I'm feed up.
there is logic in defending and protecting our country and the Americans that live and work here and making excuses not to do that is illogical, there should be no more chances and no excuses it is time to end the attacks and threats.

Godfather.

Those things are only relevant for the people who do those things GF. Not for all Muslims. That's the whole point. Nobody is making excuses for people who commit any of the acts that you listed. Those things are inexcusable, and of course all countries should protect themselves from such criminals and psychopaths, and just stupid-ass, brainwashed assholes who are okay with Islamic extremism. But they have nothing to do with good, regular people who treat others well and live peaceful, lawful lives, like most Muslims in America do. I really wish you would stop combining these two groups. It's incredibly offensive.

yes but how do we separate these two groups ? how do we know who is who ? it's a very sketchy situation we have and no way to determine the good from bad......it very frustrating to say the least.

Godfather.

Godfather, surely you mean all Muslim countries, correct? If that's the case, you'll need to include Saudi Arabia, since most of the hijackers in the 9/11 attacks were from there. I have to assume you'll then be okay with the probable rise in the price of oil since they are the second-largest producer of oil in the world, and the subsequent increase of cost of nearly any goods you or any other American might consume.

And, of course, I'm sure you won't blame the next POTUS, Hilary Clinton, when the cost of living jumps as a result, right?

while it's been a hoot debating this topic it has run it's course for me, nothing I or any of us say on here will change a thing and all of us are strong minded enough to stand by our own opinions...yes I am a bullheaded SOB, so we'll just have to wait to see who gets elected and what changes may or may not come and hope for the best...in our opinions LOL !

Godfather.

Yeah, I agree you lost the debate too

Godfather.

Cliffy6745 said:

Godfather. said:

benjs said:

Godfather. said:

PJ_Soul said:

Godfather. said:

PJ Soul, Logic ??? where was the logic on 9-11 or the Boston Marathon bombing or the shooting at the bar in FL, the shooting in San Bernardino, or killing there own women for breaking sharia law ? the sexual abuse of children ? sorry but I'm feed up.
there is logic in defending and protecting our country and the Americans that live and work here and making excuses not to do that is illogical, there should be no more chances and no excuses it is time to end the attacks and threats.

Godfather.

Those things are only relevant for the people who do those things GF. Not for all Muslims. That's the whole point. Nobody is making excuses for people who commit any of the acts that you listed. Those things are inexcusable, and of course all countries should protect themselves from such criminals and psychopaths, and just stupid-ass, brainwashed assholes who are okay with Islamic extremism. But they have nothing to do with good, regular people who treat others well and live peaceful, lawful lives, like most Muslims in America do. I really wish you would stop combining these two groups. It's incredibly offensive.

yes but how do we separate these two groups ? how do we know who is who ? it's a very sketchy situation we have and no way to determine the good from bad......it very frustrating to say the least.

Godfather.

Godfather, surely you mean all Muslim countries, correct? If that's the case, you'll need to include Saudi Arabia, since most of the hijackers in the 9/11 attacks were from there. I have to assume you'll then be okay with the probable rise in the price of oil since they are the second-largest producer of oil in the world, and the subsequent increase of cost of nearly any goods you or any other American might consume.

And, of course, I'm sure you won't blame the next POTUS, Hilary Clinton, when the cost of living jumps as a result, right?

while it's been a hoot debating this topic it has run it's course for me, nothing I or any of us say on here will change a thing and all of us are strong minded enough to stand by our own opinions...yes I am a bullheaded SOB, so we'll just have to wait to see who gets elected and what changes may or may not come and hope for the best...in our opinions LOL !

Godfather.

Yeah, I agree you lost the debate too

we'll see.
according to a post of yours you're in high school ?

Godfather.