No, we don't need those specific individuals who are that horrible and would do something like this. That's who "them" are, right?
You know...."those people"
that's my thought, the entire world is having problems with "them" the muslim immigrants so what do we do ? just keep allowing them into our countries and hope we got "a good batch" and meanwhile people keep getting killed in attacks and honor killings.....but lets not stop the "good ones" from coming into our countries....who knows who those people are ? Trump said to stop all immigration "until we figure this out" he never said indefinitely and this is what needs to done ! and before somebody starts with the "what about the other non muslim immigrants" well sorry but you can blame muslims for a total shut down, ours and other countries need to keep safety a priority for it's citizens first !
Godfather.
No, the entire world is having problems with the radical Muslim terrorists, not the Muslim immigrants. I know you must understand why people have a problem with grouping regular people in with terrorists. Surely. Just as you know that all the "bad" Americans committing heinous acts don't make all Americans suspect. I'm sure you don't want the whole world looking at stories like the Dallas and Orlando attacks, the Oklahoma bombing, the DC Sniper, Ted Bundy, and all the murders that happen every single day of the year in America, and decide that all Americans need to be considered dangerous and kept out of other countries. Right? So why is it okay to do that to Muslims?
this is not about comparison this is about national security, the muslim faith and it's followers have proven to be a major source of terrorism around the world and if you like you may defend them all you want but I will not, it's time to call it what is and stop the pussy footing around every time says the muslims are a peace loving people(bullshit) and shira law is their right...fuck em ! not here in America.
Godfather.
It is about comparison if you want to be logical instead of emotional and irrational. I'm not defending terrorists. I've made that clear. I am indeed calling it what it is. I also never said Muslims are "peace loving people". They are no more or less peace loving than Americans are, or than people in general. Terrorists, on the other hand, don't like peace, obviously.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Of course, countries like Greece and Germany are completely overwhelmed with refugees. It's not manageable and it makes screening impossible as well. That's why the region needs the rest of the world to step up and help. What happens "after" is rather roo up in the air to form an opinion. At the moment there is no "after". There is only a now in Syria. I would imagine that many refugees would indeed return to their homeland if it was actually safe to do so.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Of course, countries like Greece and Germany are completely overwhelmed with refugees. It's not manageable and it makes screening impossible as well. That's why the region needs the rest of the world to step up and help. What happens "after" is rather roo up in the air to form an opinion. At the moment there is no "after". There is only a now in Syria. I would imagine that many refugees would indeed return to their homeland if it was actually safe to do so.
Then why don't the wealthy Middle East countries step up and absorb? These refugees are not every countries responsibility ... I would say regional solutions are a better choice ... but in the end it doesn't matter ... when I was in high school the Middle East was a hotbed of political discussions and that was 35 years ago, so I guess nothing has changed in that part of the world. So there is no doubt a new approach is needed, my preferred option is for us to get out of the Middle East and stay out and let them figure it out...
I can't remember if it's in that particular article but the Dala Lama also said "the refugees need to go home when the conflict is over"... which means never...because conflict in that region never ends...
This current mess with this war and ISIS was a made in the USA and Britain crisis.
Obviously the EU has taken in there fair share, has the US ... how bout the US fork over cash to all non participants of the Iraq war which had lead to a good hunk of this mess.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Of course, countries like Greece and Germany are completely overwhelmed with refugees. It's not manageable and it makes screening impossible as well. That's why the region needs the rest of the world to step up and help. What happens "after" is rather roo up in the air to form an opinion. At the moment there is no "after". There is only a now in Syria. I would imagine that many refugees would indeed return to their homeland if it was actually safe to do so.
Then why don't the wealthy Middle East countries step up and absorb? These refugees are not every countries responsibility ... I would say regional solutions are a better choice ... but in the end it doesn't matter ... when I was in high school the Middle East was a hotbed of political discussions and that was 35 years ago, so I guess nothing has changed in that part of the world. So there is no doubt a new approach is needed, my preferred option is for us to get out of the Middle East and stay out and let them figure it out...
I can't remember if it's in that particular article but the Dala Lama also said "the refugees need to go home when the conflict is over"... which means never...because conflict in that region never ends...
This current mess with this war and ISIS was a made in the USA and Britain crisis.
Obviously the EU has taken in there fair share, has the US ... how bout the US fork over cash to all non participants of the Iraq war which had lead to a good hunk of this mess.
Good question. I have no idea why the wealthy Middle East countries aren't doing more. It's pretty sick (are we really surprised though?? All those governments are totally fucked up). But they're obviously not, and I don't look at that as a good reason to just leave the refugees to suffer. I personally do think that these refugees, and all people who are put into such situations, are every country's responsibility. Yes, regional solutions are a better choice, but that isn't an available choice at the moment. And yes, the conflict may never be over, sadly. I personally am in absolutely no hurry to get rid of the 25,000 refugees who were accepted into Canada though. I'm fine with them staying for as long as they want or need to. I completely agree that the USA should be stepping up. Instead it is seriously considering turning its back completely.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
^^^ I agree we can't win, but Canada did not create this current mess ... the US and Britain did, so it should be on them, but as usual the US creates the crisis then wants the rest of us to fix the problem. The Middle East will always be a crisis until all countries quit meddling...because meddling had solved nothing, let's get the fuck out, let them figure it out.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
^^^ I agree we can't win, but Canada did not create this current mess ... the US and Britain did, so it should be on them, but as usual the US creates the crisis then wants the rest of us to fix the problem. The Middle East will always be a crisis until all countries quit meddling...because meddling had solved nothing, let's get the fuck out, let them figure it out.
Figuring it out has meant fleeing their country- not that I can blame them.
PJ Soul, Logic ??? where was the logic on 9-11 or the Boston Marathon bombing or the shooting at the bar in FL, the shooting in San Bernardino, or killing there own women for breaking sharia law ? the sexual abuse of children ? sorry but I'm feed up. there is logic in defending and protecting our country and the Americans that live and work here and making excuses not to do that is illogical, there should be no more chances and no excuses it is time to end the attacks and threats.
Speaking from the perspective of someone living in a city that has a way higher ratio of refugees compared to other cities in the US... I'm growing tired of the tribalism, lawlessness, and violence that the refugee population has brought in. I'm fine with helping those in need, but to bring refugees in and dump them in cities that are already strapped for resources is just not a good idea. It is difficult for them to assimilate and they end up trying to start their own mini-governments that do not abide by the country's values and ethics. If we are going to help them, there needs to be better assimilation practices instead of just dumping them wherever there is cheap housing.
Speaking from the perspective of someone living in a city that has a way higher ratio of refugees compared to other cities in the US... I'm growing tired of the tribalism, lawlessness, and violence that the refugee population has brought in. I'm fine with helping those in need, but to bring refugees in and dump them in cities that are already strapped for resources is just not a good idea. It is difficult for them to assimilate and they end up trying to start their own mini-governments that do not abide by the country's values and ethics. If we are going to help them, there needs to be better assimilation practices instead of just dumping them wherever there is cheap housing.
very well said ! but at this point I believe stopping all immigration until we find a better plan and accurate back ground checks is necessary.
PJ Soul, Logic ??? where was the logic on 9-11 or the Boston Marathon bombing or the shooting at the bar in FL, the shooting in San Bernardino, or killing there own women for breaking sharia law ? the sexual abuse of children ? sorry but I'm feed up. there is logic in defending and protecting our country and the Americans that live and work here and making excuses not to do that is illogical, there should be no more chances and no excuses it is time to end the attacks and threats.
Godfather.
How about giving us more than we should close the borders considering Orlando, Boston and CA were done by folks here? Actual policy that could help stop these situations.
The risk of an attack by someone IN the US who has been radicalized because of the closed borders, disrespect of their religion and ostracization is significantly higher than someone coming over as a refugee (especially considering the process to get in)
PJ Soul, Logic ??? where was the logic on 9-11 or the Boston Marathon bombing or the shooting at the bar in FL, the shooting in San Bernardino, or killing there own women for breaking sharia law ? the sexual abuse of children ? sorry but I'm feed up. there is logic in defending and protecting our country and the Americans that live and work here and making excuses not to do that is illogical, there should be no more chances and no excuses it is time to end the attacks and threats.
Godfather.
Those things are only relevant for the people who do those things GF. Not for all Muslims. That's the whole point. Nobody is making excuses for people who commit any of the acts that you listed. Those things are inexcusable, and of course all countries should protect themselves from such criminals and psychopaths, and just stupid-ass, brainwashed assholes who are okay with Islamic extremism. But they have nothing to do with good, regular people who treat others well and live peaceful, lawful lives, like most Muslims in America do. I really wish you would stop combining these two groups. It's incredibly offensive.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
PJ Soul, Logic ??? where was the logic on 9-11 or the Boston Marathon bombing or the shooting at the bar in FL, the shooting in San Bernardino, or killing there own women for breaking sharia law ? the sexual abuse of children ? sorry but I'm feed up. there is logic in defending and protecting our country and the Americans that live and work here and making excuses not to do that is illogical, there should be no more chances and no excuses it is time to end the attacks and threats.
Godfather.
How about giving us more than we should close the borders considering Orlando, Boston and CA were done by folks here? Actual policy that could help stop these situations.
The risk of an attack by someone IN the US who has been radicalized because of the closed borders, disrespect of their religion and ostracization is significantly higher than someone coming over as a refugee (especially considering the process to get in)
Its up to immigrants to assimilate when moving to a new country, No different than if I move to a new city or area within my country, the responsibility would fall on me to blend in somehow ... just because your religion is disrespected or you are ostracized is ABSOLUTELY no reason to go on a jihadist rampage, there is absolutely no reason for these attacks that have been taking place by sick fucks.
The Christian faith gets hammered from time to time, the catholic religion get disrespected all the the time, don't see catholics going on a rampage over it.
By the way i'm an atheist who thinks religion and worshipping an invisible man in the sky is ridiculous, but at least for the most part Christian religions have matured somewhat.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
PJ Soul, Logic ??? where was the logic on 9-11 or the Boston Marathon bombing or the shooting at the bar in FL, the shooting in San Bernardino, or killing there own women for breaking sharia law ? the sexual abuse of children ? sorry but I'm feed up. there is logic in defending and protecting our country and the Americans that live and work here and making excuses not to do that is illogical, there should be no more chances and no excuses it is time to end the attacks and threats.
Godfather.
How about giving us more than we should close the borders considering Orlando, Boston and CA were done by folks here? Actual policy that could help stop these situations.
The risk of an attack by someone IN the US who has been radicalized because of the closed borders, disrespect of their religion and ostracization is significantly higher than someone coming over as a refugee (especially considering the process to get in)
Its up to immigrants to assimilate when moving to a new country, No different than if I move to a new city or area within my country, the responsibility would fall on me to blend in somehow ... just because your religion is disrespected or you are ostracized is ABSOLUTELY no reason to go on a jihadist rampage, there is absolutely no reason for these attacks that have been taking place by sick fucks.
The Christian faith gets hammered from time to time, the catholic religion get disrespected all the the time, don't see catholics going on a rampage over it.
By the way i'm an atheist who thinks religion and worshipping an invisible man in the sky is ridiculous, but at least for the most part Christian religions have matured somewhat.
I am not talking about immigrants assimilating. The three attackers I mentioned have been in this country for decades. It doesn't get much more assimilated than Dzhokhar. And when did I say it was a reasonable response? But when your country puts you down time and time again, they may see it as their only place to turn. Why put gas on that fire when it is a significantly bigger risk for the U.S?
No one is calling for Catholics to be deported. They pitch a fit when gays want to be married. Imagine what would happen if we actually tried to kick Catholics out of this country? Or said no more Catholics allowed?
PJ Soul, Logic ??? where was the logic on 9-11 or the Boston Marathon bombing or the shooting at the bar in FL, the shooting in San Bernardino, or killing there own women for breaking sharia law ? the sexual abuse of children ? sorry but I'm feed up. there is logic in defending and protecting our country and the Americans that live and work here and making excuses not to do that is illogical, there should be no more chances and no excuses it is time to end the attacks and threats.
Godfather.
How about giving us more than we should close the borders considering Orlando, Boston and CA were done by folks here? Actual policy that could help stop these situations.
The risk of an attack by someone IN the US who has been radicalized because of the closed borders, disrespect of their religion and ostracization is significantly higher than someone coming over as a refugee (especially considering the process to get in)
Its up to immigrants to assimilate when moving to a new country, No different than if I move to a new city or area within my country, the responsibility would fall on me to blend in somehow ... just because your religion is disrespected or you are ostracized is ABSOLUTELY no reason to go on a jihadist rampage, there is absolutely no reason for these attacks that have been taking place by sick fucks.
The Christian faith gets hammered from time to time, the catholic religion get disrespected all the the time, don't see catholics going on a rampage over it.
By the way i'm an atheist who thinks religion and worshipping an invisible man in the sky is ridiculous, but at least for the most part Christian religions have matured somewhat.
Not assimilate. INTEGRATE.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
PJ Soul, Logic ??? where was the logic on 9-11 or the Boston Marathon bombing or the shooting at the bar in FL, the shooting in San Bernardino, or killing there own women for breaking sharia law ? the sexual abuse of children ? sorry but I'm feed up. there is logic in defending and protecting our country and the Americans that live and work here and making excuses not to do that is illogical, there should be no more chances and no excuses it is time to end the attacks and threats.
Godfather.
Those things are only relevant for the people who do those things GF. Not for all Muslims. That's the whole point. Nobody is making excuses for people who commit any of the acts that you listed. Those things are inexcusable, and of course all countries should protect themselves from such criminals and psychopaths, and just stupid-ass, brainwashed assholes who are okay with Islamic extremism. But they have nothing to do with good, regular people who treat others well and live peaceful, lawful lives, like most Muslims in America do. I really wish you would stop combining these two groups. It's incredibly offensive.
yes but how do we separate these two groups ? how do we know who is who ? it's a very sketchy situation we have and no way to determine the good from bad......it very frustrating to say the least.
PJ Soul, Logic ??? where was the logic on 9-11 or the Boston Marathon bombing or the shooting at the bar in FL, the shooting in San Bernardino, or killing there own women for breaking sharia law ? the sexual abuse of children ? sorry but I'm feed up. there is logic in defending and protecting our country and the Americans that live and work here and making excuses not to do that is illogical, there should be no more chances and no excuses it is time to end the attacks and threats.
Godfather.
Those things are only relevant for the people who do those things GF. Not for all Muslims. That's the whole point. Nobody is making excuses for people who commit any of the acts that you listed. Those things are inexcusable, and of course all countries should protect themselves from such criminals and psychopaths, and just stupid-ass, brainwashed assholes who are okay with Islamic extremism. But they have nothing to do with good, regular people who treat others well and live peaceful, lawful lives, like most Muslims in America do. I really wish you would stop combining these two groups. It's incredibly offensive.
yes but how do we separate these two groups ? how do we know who is who ? it's a very sketchy situation we have and no way to determine the good from bad......it very frustrating to say the least.
Godfather.
Since the policy being discussed and debated is typically regarding refugees...
There are three principal categories for classifying refugees under the U.S. refugee program:
Priority One. Individuals with compelling persecution needs or those for whom no other durable solution exists. These individuals are referred to the United States by UNHCR, or they are identified by a U.S. embassy or a non-governmental organization (NGO).
Priority Two. Groups of “special concern” to the United States, which are selected by the Department of State with input from USCIS, UNHCR, and designated NGOs. Currently, the groups include certain persons from the former Soviet Union, Cuba, Democratic Republic of Congo, Iraq, Iran, Burma, and Bhutan.
Priority Three. The relatives of refugees (parents, spouses, and unmarried children under 21) who are already settled in the United States may be admitted as refugees. The U.S.-based relative must file an Affidavit of Relationship (AOR) and must be processed by DHS.
Before admission to the United States, each refugee must undergo an extensive interviewing, screening, and security clearance process conducted by Regional Refugee Coordinators and overseas Resettlement Support Centers (RSCs). To qualify, individuals generally must not already be firmly resettled in any other country. Not everyone who falls into the three preceding categories is admitted to the United States.
The INA requires most prospective refugees to prove their individual case of “well-founded fear,” regardless of the person’s country, circumstance, or classification in a priority category. Refugees are subject to the grounds of exclusion listed in Section 212(a) of the INA, including health-related grounds, moral/criminal grounds, and security grounds. They may also be excluded for polygamy, misrepresentation of facts on visa applications, smuggling, and previous deportations. Waivers exist for certain grounds of exclusion. After a refugee has been conditionally accepted for resettlement, the RSC sends a request for assurance of placement to the United States, and the Refugee Processing Center (RPC) works with private voluntary agencies (VOLAG) to determine where the refugee will live. Refugees resettled in the United States do not need to have a U.S. “sponsor.” If a refugee approved for admission does have a relative living in the United States, every effort will be made to place the refugee near his or her relative.
If a person is accepted as a refugee for admission to the United States, it is conditioned upon the individual passing a medical examination and all security checks. According to a Human Rights First report, the processing times of the U.S. refugee resettlement program “can be quite prolonged, leaving some refugees stranded in dangerous locations or in difficult circumstances.” According to the Department of State the entire process can take an average of 18-24 months to complete. These issues have improved in recent years; in a 2014 report, the Obama Administration cited “interagency coordination and processing procedures” as one of the reasons for increased admissions. Once this assurance of placement has been secured and medical examinations and security checks have been completed, RSCs work together with the International Organization for Migration (IOM) to schedule and arrange refugee travel to the United States.
Before departing, refugees sign a promissory note to repay the United States for their travel costs. This travel loan is an interest-free loan that refugees begin to pay back six months after arriving in the country. Upon receipt of the IOM travel notification, the VOLAG arranges for the reception of refugees at the airport and transportation to their housing at their final destination. U.S.-based relative must file an Affidavit of Relationship (AOR) and must be processed by DHS.
PJ Soul, Logic ??? where was the logic on 9-11 or the Boston Marathon bombing or the shooting at the bar in FL, the shooting in San Bernardino, or killing there own women for breaking sharia law ? the sexual abuse of children ? sorry but I'm feed up. there is logic in defending and protecting our country and the Americans that live and work here and making excuses not to do that is illogical, there should be no more chances and no excuses it is time to end the attacks and threats.
Godfather.
How about giving us more than we should close the borders considering Orlando, Boston and CA were done by folks here? Actual policy that could help stop these situations.
The risk of an attack by someone IN the US who has been radicalized because of the closed borders, disrespect of their religion and ostracization is significantly higher than someone coming over as a refugee (especially considering the process to get in)
Its up to immigrants to assimilate when moving to a new country, No different than if I move to a new city or area within my country, the responsibility would fall on me to blend in somehow ... just because your religion is disrespected or you are ostracized is ABSOLUTELY no reason to go on a jihadist rampage, there is absolutely no reason for these attacks that have been taking place by sick fucks.
The Christian faith gets hammered from time to time, the catholic religion get disrespected all the the time, don't see catholics going on a rampage over it.
By the way i'm an atheist who thinks religion and worshipping an invisible man in the sky is ridiculous, but at least for the most part Christian religions have matured somewhat.
Not assimilate. INTEGRATE.
Assimilate or integrate .... either way it's their responsibility, not mine ...
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
PJ Soul, Logic ??? where was the logic on 9-11 or the Boston Marathon bombing or the shooting at the bar in FL, the shooting in San Bernardino, or killing there own women for breaking sharia law ? the sexual abuse of children ? sorry but I'm feed up. there is logic in defending and protecting our country and the Americans that live and work here and making excuses not to do that is illogical, there should be no more chances and no excuses it is time to end the attacks and threats.
Godfather.
Those things are only relevant for the people who do those things GF. Not for all Muslims. That's the whole point. Nobody is making excuses for people who commit any of the acts that you listed. Those things are inexcusable, and of course all countries should protect themselves from such criminals and psychopaths, and just stupid-ass, brainwashed assholes who are okay with Islamic extremism. But they have nothing to do with good, regular people who treat others well and live peaceful, lawful lives, like most Muslims in America do. I really wish you would stop combining these two groups. It's incredibly offensive.
yes but how do we separate these two groups ? how do we know who is who ? it's a very sketchy situation we have and no way to determine the good from bad......it very frustrating to say the least.
Godfather.
Godfather, surely you mean all Muslim countries, correct? If that's the case, you'll need to include Saudi Arabia, since most of the hijackers in the 9/11 attacks were from there. I have to assume you'll then be okay with the probable rise in the price of oil since they are the second-largest producer of oil in the world, and the subsequent increase of cost of nearly any goods you or any other American might consume.
And, of course, I'm sure you won't blame the next POTUS, Hilary Clinton, when the cost of living jumps as a result, right?
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PJ Soul, Logic ??? where was the logic on 9-11 or the Boston Marathon bombing or the shooting at the bar in FL, the shooting in San Bernardino, or killing there own women for breaking sharia law ? the sexual abuse of children ? sorry but I'm feed up. there is logic in defending and protecting our country and the Americans that live and work here and making excuses not to do that is illogical, there should be no more chances and no excuses it is time to end the attacks and threats.
Godfather.
How about giving us more than we should close the borders considering Orlando, Boston and CA were done by folks here? Actual policy that could help stop these situations.
The risk of an attack by someone IN the US who has been radicalized because of the closed borders, disrespect of their religion and ostracization is significantly higher than someone coming over as a refugee (especially considering the process to get in)
Its up to immigrants to assimilate when moving to a new country, No different than if I move to a new city or area within my country, the responsibility would fall on me to blend in somehow ... just because your religion is disrespected or you are ostracized is ABSOLUTELY no reason to go on a jihadist rampage, there is absolutely no reason for these attacks that have been taking place by sick fucks.
The Christian faith gets hammered from time to time, the catholic religion get disrespected all the the time, don't see catholics going on a rampage over it.
By the way i'm an atheist who thinks religion and worshipping an invisible man in the sky is ridiculous, but at least for the most part Christian religions have matured somewhat.
Not assimilate. INTEGRATE.
Assimilate or integrate .... either way it's their responsibility, not mine ...
I think successful integration of immigrants is the responsibility of the US government, federal, state, and local, along with the immigrants, and US citizens in terms of making them feel welcome (something that a lot of Americans are failing miserably at right now). Keep in mind that immigration is actually good for America long term. Immigration isn't just allowed out of the goodness of the US government's heart. There is a point to allowing it. Refugees are a humanitarian thing, but immigrants are not. For the US to reap the rewards of immigration, it has to provide services and resources to said immigrants in order to help them successfully integrate and provide the benefits that they are expected to. Refugees of course would have access to the same resources. And while there is real room for improvement in the US (and an attitude problem, currently), the States actually do a relatively good job with immigrant integration. I think that is because Americans are so gung-ho about being American, and it rubs off, frankly. There is a kind of pressure in the US for immigrants to "step in line" that other countries don't have. Integration of first generation immigrants isn't as successful in Canada and most other nations. That said, this leaves room for improvement. That should be the focus. Also keep in mind that a lot of issues that some have with a lack of integration of newcomers fix themselves with time. Second and third generation immigrants (natural born Americans) tend to be pretty well integrated (crazy fucking disillusioned morons turned extremists excluded of course).
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
PJ Soul, Logic ??? where was the logic on 9-11 or the Boston Marathon bombing or the shooting at the bar in FL, the shooting in San Bernardino, or killing there own women for breaking sharia law ? the sexual abuse of children ? sorry but I'm feed up. there is logic in defending and protecting our country and the Americans that live and work here and making excuses not to do that is illogical, there should be no more chances and no excuses it is time to end the attacks and threats.
Godfather.
Those things are only relevant for the people who do those things GF. Not for all Muslims. That's the whole point. Nobody is making excuses for people who commit any of the acts that you listed. Those things are inexcusable, and of course all countries should protect themselves from such criminals and psychopaths, and just stupid-ass, brainwashed assholes who are okay with Islamic extremism. But they have nothing to do with good, regular people who treat others well and live peaceful, lawful lives, like most Muslims in America do. I really wish you would stop combining these two groups. It's incredibly offensive.
yes but how do we separate these two groups ? how do we know who is who ? it's a very sketchy situation we have and no way to determine the good from bad......it very frustrating to say the least.
Godfather.
Godfather, surely you mean all Muslim countries, correct? If that's the case, you'll need to include Saudi Arabia, since most of the hijackers in the 9/11 attacks were from there. I have to assume you'll then be okay with the probable rise in the price of oil since they are the second-largest producer of oil in the world, and the subsequent increase of cost of nearly any goods you or any other American might consume.
And, of course, I'm sure you won't blame the next POTUS, Hilary Clinton, when the cost of living jumps as a result, right?
while it's been a hoot debating this topic it has run it's course for me, nothing I or any of us say on here will change a thing and all of us are strong minded enough to stand by our own opinions...yes I am a bullheaded SOB, so we'll just have to wait to see who gets elected and what changes may or may not come and hope for the best...in our opinions LOL !
PJ Soul, Logic ??? where was the logic on 9-11 or the Boston Marathon bombing or the shooting at the bar in FL, the shooting in San Bernardino, or killing there own women for breaking sharia law ? the sexual abuse of children ? sorry but I'm feed up. there is logic in defending and protecting our country and the Americans that live and work here and making excuses not to do that is illogical, there should be no more chances and no excuses it is time to end the attacks and threats.
Godfather.
Those things are only relevant for the people who do those things GF. Not for all Muslims. That's the whole point. Nobody is making excuses for people who commit any of the acts that you listed. Those things are inexcusable, and of course all countries should protect themselves from such criminals and psychopaths, and just stupid-ass, brainwashed assholes who are okay with Islamic extremism. But they have nothing to do with good, regular people who treat others well and live peaceful, lawful lives, like most Muslims in America do. I really wish you would stop combining these two groups. It's incredibly offensive.
yes but how do we separate these two groups ? how do we know who is who ? it's a very sketchy situation we have and no way to determine the good from bad......it very frustrating to say the least.
Godfather.
Godfather, surely you mean all Muslim countries, correct? If that's the case, you'll need to include Saudi Arabia, since most of the hijackers in the 9/11 attacks were from there. I have to assume you'll then be okay with the probable rise in the price of oil since they are the second-largest producer of oil in the world, and the subsequent increase of cost of nearly any goods you or any other American might consume.
And, of course, I'm sure you won't blame the next POTUS, Hilary Clinton, when the cost of living jumps as a result, right?
while it's been a hoot debating this topic it has run it's course for me, nothing I or any of us say on here will change a thing and all of us are strong minded enough to stand by our own opinions...yes I am a bullheaded SOB, so we'll just have to wait to see who gets elected and what changes may or may not come and hope for the best...in our opinions LOL !
Godfather.
I'm asking you an honest question: if you feel that the US should take a comprehensive unequivocal "no more Muslim immigrants" stance, are you prepared for the reality that this could certainly jeopardize the relationship America has with the second-largest oil producer in the world?
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EV
Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
PJ Soul, Logic ??? where was the logic on 9-11 or the Boston Marathon bombing or the shooting at the bar in FL, the shooting in San Bernardino, or killing there own women for breaking sharia law ? the sexual abuse of children ? sorry but I'm feed up. there is logic in defending and protecting our country and the Americans that live and work here and making excuses not to do that is illogical, there should be no more chances and no excuses it is time to end the attacks and threats.
Godfather.
Those things are only relevant for the people who do those things GF. Not for all Muslims. That's the whole point. Nobody is making excuses for people who commit any of the acts that you listed. Those things are inexcusable, and of course all countries should protect themselves from such criminals and psychopaths, and just stupid-ass, brainwashed assholes who are okay with Islamic extremism. But they have nothing to do with good, regular people who treat others well and live peaceful, lawful lives, like most Muslims in America do. I really wish you would stop combining these two groups. It's incredibly offensive.
yes but how do we separate these two groups ? how do we know who is who ? it's a very sketchy situation we have and no way to determine the good from bad......it very frustrating to say the least.
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Godfather, surely you mean all Muslim countries, correct? If that's the case, you'll need to include Saudi Arabia, since most of the hijackers in the 9/11 attacks were from there. I have to assume you'll then be okay with the probable rise in the price of oil since they are the second-largest producer of oil in the world, and the subsequent increase of cost of nearly any goods you or any other American might consume.
And, of course, I'm sure you won't blame the next POTUS, Hilary Clinton, when the cost of living jumps as a result, right?
while it's been a hoot debating this topic it has run it's course for me, nothing I or any of us say on here will change a thing and all of us are strong minded enough to stand by our own opinions...yes I am a bullheaded SOB, so we'll just have to wait to see who gets elected and what changes may or may not come and hope for the best...in our opinions LOL !
Godfather.
I'm asking you an honest question: if you feel that the US should take a comprehensive unequivocal "no more Muslim immigrants" stance, are you prepared for the reality that this could certainly jeopardize the relationship America has with the second-largest oil producer in the world?
yes, oil will be sold to us regardless because it's all about money.
PJ Soul, Logic ??? where was the logic on 9-11 or the Boston Marathon bombing or the shooting at the bar in FL, the shooting in San Bernardino, or killing there own women for breaking sharia law ? the sexual abuse of children ? sorry but I'm feed up. there is logic in defending and protecting our country and the Americans that live and work here and making excuses not to do that is illogical, there should be no more chances and no excuses it is time to end the attacks and threats.
Godfather.
Those things are only relevant for the people who do those things GF. Not for all Muslims. That's the whole point. Nobody is making excuses for people who commit any of the acts that you listed. Those things are inexcusable, and of course all countries should protect themselves from such criminals and psychopaths, and just stupid-ass, brainwashed assholes who are okay with Islamic extremism. But they have nothing to do with good, regular people who treat others well and live peaceful, lawful lives, like most Muslims in America do. I really wish you would stop combining these two groups. It's incredibly offensive.
yes but how do we separate these two groups ? how do we know who is who ? it's a very sketchy situation we have and no way to determine the good from bad......it very frustrating to say the least.
Godfather.
Godfather, surely you mean all Muslim countries, correct? If that's the case, you'll need to include Saudi Arabia, since most of the hijackers in the 9/11 attacks were from there. I have to assume you'll then be okay with the probable rise in the price of oil since they are the second-largest producer of oil in the world, and the subsequent increase of cost of nearly any goods you or any other American might consume.
And, of course, I'm sure you won't blame the next POTUS, Hilary Clinton, when the cost of living jumps as a result, right?
while it's been a hoot debating this topic it has run it's course for me, nothing I or any of us say on here will change a thing and all of us are strong minded enough to stand by our own opinions...yes I am a bullheaded SOB, so we'll just have to wait to see who gets elected and what changes may or may not come and hope for the best...in our opinions LOL !
PJ Soul, Logic ??? where was the logic on 9-11 or the Boston Marathon bombing or the shooting at the bar in FL, the shooting in San Bernardino, or killing there own women for breaking sharia law ? the sexual abuse of children ? sorry but I'm feed up. there is logic in defending and protecting our country and the Americans that live and work here and making excuses not to do that is illogical, there should be no more chances and no excuses it is time to end the attacks and threats.
Godfather.
Those things are only relevant for the people who do those things GF. Not for all Muslims. That's the whole point. Nobody is making excuses for people who commit any of the acts that you listed. Those things are inexcusable, and of course all countries should protect themselves from such criminals and psychopaths, and just stupid-ass, brainwashed assholes who are okay with Islamic extremism. But they have nothing to do with good, regular people who treat others well and live peaceful, lawful lives, like most Muslims in America do. I really wish you would stop combining these two groups. It's incredibly offensive.
yes but how do we separate these two groups ? how do we know who is who ? it's a very sketchy situation we have and no way to determine the good from bad......it very frustrating to say the least.
Godfather.
Godfather, surely you mean all Muslim countries, correct? If that's the case, you'll need to include Saudi Arabia, since most of the hijackers in the 9/11 attacks were from there. I have to assume you'll then be okay with the probable rise in the price of oil since they are the second-largest producer of oil in the world, and the subsequent increase of cost of nearly any goods you or any other American might consume.
And, of course, I'm sure you won't blame the next POTUS, Hilary Clinton, when the cost of living jumps as a result, right?
while it's been a hoot debating this topic it has run it's course for me, nothing I or any of us say on here will change a thing and all of us are strong minded enough to stand by our own opinions...yes I am a bullheaded SOB, so we'll just have to wait to see who gets elected and what changes may or may not come and hope for the best...in our opinions LOL !
Godfather.
Yeah, I agree you lost the debate too
we'll see. according to a post of yours you're in high school ?
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I'm not defending terrorists. I've made that clear. I am indeed calling it what it is. I also never said Muslims are "peace loving people". They are no more or less peace loving than Americans are, or than people in general. Terrorists, on the other hand, don't like peace, obviously.
http://globalnews.ca/news/2734549/the-dalai-lama-says-there-are-too-many-refugees-in-europe/
Hmmm...interesting,
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I can't remember if it's in that particular article but the Dala Lama also said "the refugees need to go home when the conflict is over"... which means never...because conflict in that region never ends...
This current mess with this war and ISIS was a made in the USA and Britain crisis.
Obviously the EU has taken in there fair share, has the US ... how bout the US fork over cash to all non participants of the Iraq war which had lead to a good hunk of this mess.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
http://www.newstalk.com/Muslim-man-removed-from-flight-after-crew-announce-his-name-and-warn-I-will-be-watching-you
there is logic in defending and protecting our country and the Americans that live and work here and making excuses not to do that is illogical, there should be no more chances and no excuses it is time to end the attacks and threats.
Godfather.
Godfather.
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The risk of an attack by someone IN the US who has been radicalized because of the closed borders, disrespect of their religion and ostracization is significantly higher than someone coming over as a refugee (especially considering the process to get in)
The Christian faith gets hammered from time to time, the catholic religion get disrespected all the the time, don't see catholics going on a rampage over it.
By the way i'm an atheist who thinks religion and worshipping an invisible man in the sky is ridiculous, but at least for the most part Christian religions have matured somewhat.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
No one is calling for Catholics to be deported. They pitch a fit when gays want to be married. Imagine what would happen if we actually tried to kick Catholics out of this country? Or said no more Catholics allowed?
Godfather.
There are three principal categories for classifying refugees under the U.S. refugee program:
Priority One. Individuals with compelling persecution needs or those for whom no other durable solution exists. These individuals are referred to the United States by UNHCR, or they are identified by a U.S. embassy or a non-governmental organization (NGO).
Priority Two. Groups of “special concern” to the United States, which are selected by the Department of State with input from USCIS, UNHCR, and designated NGOs. Currently, the groups include certain persons from the former Soviet Union, Cuba, Democratic Republic of Congo, Iraq, Iran, Burma, and Bhutan.
Priority Three. The relatives of refugees (parents, spouses, and unmarried children under 21) who are already settled in the United States may be admitted as refugees. The U.S.-based relative must file an Affidavit of Relationship (AOR) and must be processed by DHS.
Before admission to the United States, each refugee must undergo an extensive interviewing, screening, and security clearance process conducted by Regional Refugee Coordinators and overseas Resettlement Support Centers (RSCs). To qualify, individuals generally must not already be firmly resettled in any other country. Not everyone who falls into the three preceding categories is admitted to the United States.
The INA requires most prospective refugees to prove their individual case of “well-founded fear,” regardless of the person’s country, circumstance, or classification in a priority category.
Refugees are subject to the grounds of exclusion listed in Section 212(a) of the INA, including health-related grounds, moral/criminal grounds, and security grounds. They may also be excluded for polygamy, misrepresentation of facts on visa applications, smuggling, and previous deportations. Waivers exist for certain grounds of exclusion.
After a refugee has been conditionally accepted for resettlement, the RSC sends a request for assurance of placement to the United States, and the Refugee Processing Center (RPC) works with private voluntary agencies (VOLAG) to determine where the refugee will live. Refugees resettled in the United States do not need to have a U.S. “sponsor.” If a refugee approved for admission does have a relative living in the United States, every effort will be made to place the refugee near his or her relative.
If a person is accepted as a refugee for admission to the United States, it is conditioned upon the individual passing a medical examination and all security checks.
According to a Human Rights First report, the processing times of the U.S. refugee resettlement program “can be quite prolonged, leaving some refugees stranded in dangerous locations or in difficult circumstances.” According to the Department of State the entire process can take an average of 18-24 months to complete. These issues have improved in recent years; in a 2014 report, the Obama Administration cited “interagency coordination and processing procedures” as one of the reasons for increased admissions.
Once this assurance of placement has been secured and medical examinations and security checks have been completed, RSCs work together with the International Organization for Migration (IOM) to schedule and arrange refugee travel to the United States.
Before departing, refugees sign a promissory note to repay the United States for their travel costs. This travel loan is an interest-free loan that refugees begin to pay back six months after arriving in the country.
Upon receipt of the IOM travel notification, the VOLAG arranges for the reception of refugees at the airport and transportation to their housing at their final destination.
U.S.-based relative must file an Affidavit of Relationship (AOR) and must be processed by DHS.
http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-facts/refugees-fact-sheet
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
And, of course, I'm sure you won't blame the next POTUS, Hilary Clinton, when the cost of living jumps as a result, right?
EV
Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binghamton_shootings (directly across the street from my high school)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seung-Hui_Cho
Godfather.
EV
Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
Godfather.
according to a post of yours you're in high school ?
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