Getting Ugly In Dallas

mace1229

dignin said:

mace1229 said:

This is not about gun control. This is the result of spreading hate about cops and calling it "open season" on blacks.
With over 600,000 cops in our country there have been a very small number (2 or 3) of legitimate murders-the rest were killed when a perceived weapon was used, fighting back, died of a heart-attack while fighting back etc. And groups like BLW ignore all of the facts, spread lies about the situation and spread fear and hatred. More cops have been killed since Ferguson as a result of an ambush like this.
Its not about guns, its about ALL lives matter. and this blood is on the hands of those self serving people like Jackson and Sharpton who benefit from this hate spreading and promote this hatred.
Comments like the ones on other threads such as "its open season on blacks" and "if you're black and sell CD's you get killed" are just stupid. They endorse this behavior, and then you wonder why some cops over react? Because you help spread that fear into them.

PJ_Soul said:

PP193448 said:

Fuckng ridiculous. All lives matter!!!

Just sayin'.

Obviously, cops' lives matter too, and other lives. No shit, everyone knows that. But being against the real idea behind BLM is what's ridiculous. I fully acknowledge that some more radical BLM supporters go about making their point in the wrong way (and then there are fanaticial freaks like the one(s) last night in Dallas, which I automatically don't even consider to be part of the BLM movement whether they end up mentioning it or not), but that doesn't change the fact that BLM makes a legitimate point generally.

That comic doesn't make sense...I mean don't they do both? This is trying to say do one extreme or the other, why not put out the fire AND prevent other fires from starting? Sounds like they don't care about prevention, just focus on the hot topic right now and deal with the next hot topic tomorrow.

And I would argue that BLM is the hot topic right now through mostly misinformation, not facts anyway.

eddiec

mace1229 said:

pjalive21 said:

hedonist said:

PJ_Soul said:

EM194007 said:

igotid88 said:

protesters were shot at too

Yes, and one was shot. Who ever did this could care less if any protesters were shot or not. Seems like they had an agenda and nothing was getting in their way. But, the principle targets were the cops.

I haven't seen a single mention of any protestors getting shot..... Not saying it's not true, I just would have thought that it would be something the media would mention quite prominently.

I've seen a few mentions throughout my watching and reading.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/five-police-officers-killed-in-dallas-seven-others-injured-during-shooting-at-protest/ar-BBu5IC9?li=BBnb7Kz

I imagine the media is more focused right now on the acts committed, the intent, and the lives lost.

the media shares some responsibility in this...I know here locally the Fox affiliate fans the flames every damn day about race

the shooter was pissed about white offers but the incident in Minnesota the officer was Asian and then there was another case where a white kid was shot by white cops while laying on the damn ground and that got damn near zero coverage

I mean seriously can people not see thru the bullshit agenda?? divide and conquer

Whose agenda? I see two here. Media likes blowing this up and help spreading lies with 24/7 coverage of things like "Hands up don't shoot" but ignore coverage when physical evidence doesn't support that. Gets good ratings and coverage.
Groups like BLM do the same, spread hate by ignoring the facts and encouraging violence and riots. Obviously most are non-violent, but those riots in Ferguson and Baltimore wouldn't have happened without those movements.
They both feed into each other- Media gets good coverage while (falsely) giving people something to riot about and protest.

Sorry, you're wrong. We have two types of media in this country.

Gern Blansten

eddiec said:

mace1229 said:

pjalive21 said:

hedonist said:

PJ_Soul said:

EM194007 said:

igotid88 said:

protesters were shot at too

Yes, and one was shot. Who ever did this could care less if any protesters were shot or not. Seems like they had an agenda and nothing was getting in their way. But, the principle targets were the cops.

I haven't seen a single mention of any protestors getting shot..... Not saying it's not true, I just would have thought that it would be something the media would mention quite prominently.

I've seen a few mentions throughout my watching and reading.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/five-police-officers-killed-in-dallas-seven-others-injured-during-shooting-at-protest/ar-BBu5IC9?li=BBnb7Kz

I imagine the media is more focused right now on the acts committed, the intent, and the lives lost.

the media shares some responsibility in this...I know here locally the Fox affiliate fans the flames every damn day about race

the shooter was pissed about white offers but the incident in Minnesota the officer was Asian and then there was another case where a white kid was shot by white cops while laying on the damn ground and that got damn near zero coverage

I mean seriously can people not see thru the bullshit agenda?? divide and conquer

Whose agenda? I see two here. Media likes blowing this up and help spreading lies with 24/7 coverage of things like "Hands up don't shoot" but ignore coverage when physical evidence doesn't support that. Gets good ratings and coverage.
Groups like BLM do the same, spread hate by ignoring the facts and encouraging violence and riots. Obviously most are non-violent, but those riots in Ferguson and Baltimore wouldn't have happened without those movements.
They both feed into each other- Media gets good coverage while (falsely) giving people something to riot about and protest.

Sorry, you're wrong. We have two types of media in this country.

exactly!!

EM194007

Another officer shot in the neck in west St. Louis today. Shooter in custody.
http://fox2now.com/2016/07/08/report-officer-shot-in-ballwin-manhunt-underway/

dignin

mace1229 said:

dignin said:

mace1229 said:

This is not about gun control. This is the result of spreading hate about cops and calling it "open season" on blacks.
With over 600,000 cops in our country there have been a very small number (2 or 3) of legitimate murders-the rest were killed when a perceived weapon was used, fighting back, died of a heart-attack while fighting back etc. And groups like BLW ignore all of the facts, spread lies about the situation and spread fear and hatred. More cops have been killed since Ferguson as a result of an ambush like this.
Its not about guns, its about ALL lives matter. and this blood is on the hands of those self serving people like Jackson and Sharpton who benefit from this hate spreading and promote this hatred.
Comments like the ones on other threads such as "its open season on blacks" and "if you're black and sell CD's you get killed" are just stupid. They endorse this behavior, and then you wonder why some cops over react? Because you help spread that fear into them.

PJ_Soul said:

PP193448 said:

Fuckng ridiculous. All lives matter!!!

Just sayin'.

Obviously, cops' lives matter too, and other lives. No shit, everyone knows that. But being against the real idea behind BLM is what's ridiculous. I fully acknowledge that some more radical BLM supporters go about making their point in the wrong way (and then there are fanaticial freaks like the one(s) last night in Dallas, which I automatically don't even consider to be part of the BLM movement whether they end up mentioning it or not), but that doesn't change the fact that BLM makes a legitimate point generally.

That comic doesn't make sense...I mean don't they do both? This is trying to say do one extreme or the other, why not put out the fire AND prevent other fires from starting? Sounds like they don't care about prevention, just focus on the hot topic right now and deal with the next hot topic tomorrow.

And I would argue that BLM is the hot topic right now through mostly misinformation, not facts anyway.

Woosh!!! You definitely don't get it. And after implying that I'm responsible for yesterdays attack on police I'm not even going to bother to engage anymore.

"This is the result of spreading hate about cops and calling it "open season" on blacks. "

Nice try. Have a good one.

josevolution

Until this country acknowledges that their is a problem with the killings of black men by police we won't be able to move past the violence , last nights event were horrible nobody should get ambushed like that let alone the police ...

PJ_Soul

pjalive21 said:

mace1229 said:

pjalive21 said:

hedonist said:

PJ_Soul said:

EM194007 said:

igotid88 said:

protesters were shot at too

Yes, and one was shot. Who ever did this could care less if any protesters were shot or not. Seems like they had an agenda and nothing was getting in their way. But, the principle targets were the cops.

I haven't seen a single mention of any protestors getting shot..... Not saying it's not true, I just would have thought that it would be something the media would mention quite prominently.

I've seen a few mentions throughout my watching and reading.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/five-police-officers-killed-in-dallas-seven-others-injured-during-shooting-at-protest/ar-BBu5IC9?li=BBnb7Kz

I imagine the media is more focused right now on the acts committed, the intent, and the lives lost.

the media shares some responsibility in this...I know here locally the Fox affiliate fans the flames every damn day about race

the shooter was pissed about white offers but the incident in Minnesota the officer was Asian and then there was another case where a white kid was shot by white cops while laying on the damn ground and that got damn near zero coverage

I mean seriously can people not see thru the bullshit agenda?? divide and conquer

Whose agenda? I see two here. Media likes blowing this up and help spreading lies with 24/7 coverage of things like "Hands up don't shoot" but ignore coverage when physical evidence doesn't support that. Gets good ratings and coverage.
Groups like BLM do the same, spread hate by ignoring the facts and encouraging violence and riots. Obviously most are non-violent, but those riots in Ferguson and Baltimore wouldn't have happened without those movements.
They both feed into each other- Media gets good coverage while (falsely) giving people something to riot about and protest.

you nailed it

I disagree. African-Americans 100% do have something to protest. I think that anyone who doesn't think so is closing their eyes to what's really going on in many black communities and with cops, and in the justice system as a whole. I don't condone violence of course, and those who resort to that are indeed guilty of making matters worse, but I don't think it's right to suggest that black people and the majority of BLM supporters aren't completely justified in protesting the current situation and in being very angry and frustrated.

PJ_Soul

dignin said:

mace1229 said:

This is not about gun control. This is the result of spreading hate about cops and calling it "open season" on blacks.
With over 600,000 cops in our country there have been a very small number (2 or 3) of legitimate murders-the rest were killed when a perceived weapon was used, fighting back, died of a heart-attack while fighting back etc. And groups like BLW ignore all of the facts, spread lies about the situation and spread fear and hatred. More cops have been killed since Ferguson as a result of an ambush like this.
Its not about guns, its about ALL lives matter. and this blood is on the hands of those self serving people like Jackson and Sharpton who benefit from this hate spreading and promote this hatred.
Comments like the ones on other threads such as "its open season on blacks" and "if you're black and sell CD's you get killed" are just stupid. They endorse this behavior, and then you wonder why some cops over react? Because you help spread that fear into them.

PJ_Soul said:

PP193448 said:

Fuckng ridiculous. All lives matter!!!

Just sayin'.

Obviously, cops' lives matter too, and other lives. No shit, everyone knows that. But being against the real idea behind BLM is what's ridiculous. I fully acknowledge that some more radical BLM supporters go about making their point in the wrong way (and then there are fanaticial freaks like the one(s) last night in Dallas, which I automatically don't even consider to be part of the BLM movement whether they end up mentioning it or not), but that doesn't change the fact that BLM makes a legitimate point generally.

Exactly.

mace1229

eddiec said:

mace1229 said:

pjalive21 said:

hedonist said:

PJ_Soul said:

EM194007 said:

igotid88 said:

protesters were shot at too

Yes, and one was shot. Who ever did this could care less if any protesters were shot or not. Seems like they had an agenda and nothing was getting in their way. But, the principle targets were the cops.

I haven't seen a single mention of any protestors getting shot..... Not saying it's not true, I just would have thought that it would be something the media would mention quite prominently.

I've seen a few mentions throughout my watching and reading.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/five-police-officers-killed-in-dallas-seven-others-injured-during-shooting-at-protest/ar-BBu5IC9?li=BBnb7Kz

I imagine the media is more focused right now on the acts committed, the intent, and the lives lost.

the media shares some responsibility in this...I know here locally the Fox affiliate fans the flames every damn day about race

the shooter was pissed about white offers but the incident in Minnesota the officer was Asian and then there was another case where a white kid was shot by white cops while laying on the damn ground and that got damn near zero coverage

I mean seriously can people not see thru the bullshit agenda?? divide and conquer

Whose agenda? I see two here. Media likes blowing this up and help spreading lies with 24/7 coverage of things like "Hands up don't shoot" but ignore coverage when physical evidence doesn't support that. Gets good ratings and coverage.
Groups like BLM do the same, spread hate by ignoring the facts and encouraging violence and riots. Obviously most are non-violent, but those riots in Ferguson and Baltimore wouldn't have happened without those movements.
They both feed into each other- Media gets good coverage while (falsely) giving people something to riot about and protest.

Sorry, you're wrong. We have two types of media in this country.

What 2 types?
Give me one major network that did not cover "Hands up don't shoot"? That was false, but covered by every media network and fueled the anger.
Even if they covered it in any unbiased manner, they still spread the falsehood of "hands up don't shoot" SO what are the 2 types then?

eddiec

mace1229 said:

eddiec said:

mace1229 said:

pjalive21 said:

hedonist said:

PJ_Soul said:

EM194007 said:

igotid88 said:

protesters were shot at too

Yes, and one was shot. Who ever did this could care less if any protesters were shot or not. Seems like they had an agenda and nothing was getting in their way. But, the principle targets were the cops.

I haven't seen a single mention of any protestors getting shot..... Not saying it's not true, I just would have thought that it would be something the media would mention quite prominently.

I've seen a few mentions throughout my watching and reading.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/five-police-officers-killed-in-dallas-seven-others-injured-during-shooting-at-protest/ar-BBu5IC9?li=BBnb7Kz

I imagine the media is more focused right now on the acts committed, the intent, and the lives lost.

the media shares some responsibility in this...I know here locally the Fox affiliate fans the flames every damn day about race

the shooter was pissed about white offers but the incident in Minnesota the officer was Asian and then there was another case where a white kid was shot by white cops while laying on the damn ground and that got damn near zero coverage

I mean seriously can people not see thru the bullshit agenda?? divide and conquer

Whose agenda? I see two here. Media likes blowing this up and help spreading lies with 24/7 coverage of things like "Hands up don't shoot" but ignore coverage when physical evidence doesn't support that. Gets good ratings and coverage.
Groups like BLM do the same, spread hate by ignoring the facts and encouraging violence and riots. Obviously most are non-violent, but those riots in Ferguson and Baltimore wouldn't have happened without those movements.
They both feed into each other- Media gets good coverage while (falsely) giving people something to riot about and protest.

Sorry, you're wrong. We have two types of media in this country.

What 2 types?
Give me one major network that did not cover "Hands up don't shoot"? That was false, but covered by every media network and fueled the anger.
Even if they covered it in any unbiased manner, they still spread the falsehood of "hands up don't shoot" SO what are the 2 types then?

http://insider.foxnews.com/2014/12/03/megyn-kelly-clashes-michael-skolnick-over-hands-dont-shoot

igotid88

It's Black Lives Matter too. Not only black lives matter. By saying "All Lives Matter". You're making BLM something they're not or don't want to be.

mattsl1983

PJ_Soul said:

pjalive21 said:

mace1229 said:

pjalive21 said:

hedonist said:

PJ_Soul said:

EM194007 said:

igotid88 said:

protesters were shot at too

Yes, and one was shot. Who ever did this could care less if any protesters were shot or not. Seems like they had an agenda and nothing was getting in their way. But, the principle targets were the cops.

I haven't seen a single mention of any protestors getting shot..... Not saying it's not true, I just would have thought that it would be something the media would mention quite prominently.

I've seen a few mentions throughout my watching and reading.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/five-police-officers-killed-in-dallas-seven-others-injured-during-shooting-at-protest/ar-BBu5IC9?li=BBnb7Kz

I imagine the media is more focused right now on the acts committed, the intent, and the lives lost.

the media shares some responsibility in this...I know here locally the Fox affiliate fans the flames every damn day about race

the shooter was pissed about white offers but the incident in Minnesota the officer was Asian and then there was another case where a white kid was shot by white cops while laying on the damn ground and that got damn near zero coverage

I mean seriously can people not see thru the bullshit agenda?? divide and conquer

Whose agenda? I see two here. Media likes blowing this up and help spreading lies with 24/7 coverage of things like "Hands up don't shoot" but ignore coverage when physical evidence doesn't support that. Gets good ratings and coverage.
Groups like BLM do the same, spread hate by ignoring the facts and encouraging violence and riots. Obviously most are non-violent, but those riots in Ferguson and Baltimore wouldn't have happened without those movements.
They both feed into each other- Media gets good coverage while (falsely) giving people something to riot about and protest.

you nailed it

I disagree. African-Americans 100% do have something to protest. I think that anyone who doesn't think so is closing their eyes to what's really going on in many black communities and with cops, and in the justice system as a whole. I don't condone violence of course, and those who resort to that are indeed guilty of making matters worse, but I don't think it's right to suggest that black people and the majority of BLM supporters aren't completely justified in protesting the current situation and in being very angry and frustrated.

Can I ask what is going on, and why they do have something 100% to protest about?

pjhawks

PJ_Soul said:

pjalive21 said:

mace1229 said:

pjalive21 said:

hedonist said:

PJ_Soul said:

EM194007 said:

igotid88 said:

protesters were shot at too

Yes, and one was shot. Who ever did this could care less if any protesters were shot or not. Seems like they had an agenda and nothing was getting in their way. But, the principle targets were the cops.

I haven't seen a single mention of any protestors getting shot..... Not saying it's not true, I just would have thought that it would be something the media would mention quite prominently.

I've seen a few mentions throughout my watching and reading.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/five-police-officers-killed-in-dallas-seven-others-injured-during-shooting-at-protest/ar-BBu5IC9?li=BBnb7Kz

I imagine the media is more focused right now on the acts committed, the intent, and the lives lost.

the media shares some responsibility in this...I know here locally the Fox affiliate fans the flames every damn day about race

the shooter was pissed about white offers but the incident in Minnesota the officer was Asian and then there was another case where a white kid was shot by white cops while laying on the damn ground and that got damn near zero coverage

I mean seriously can people not see thru the bullshit agenda?? divide and conquer

Whose agenda? I see two here. Media likes blowing this up and help spreading lies with 24/7 coverage of things like "Hands up don't shoot" but ignore coverage when physical evidence doesn't support that. Gets good ratings and coverage.
Groups like BLM do the same, spread hate by ignoring the facts and encouraging violence and riots. Obviously most are non-violent, but those riots in Ferguson and Baltimore wouldn't have happened without those movements.
They both feed into each other- Media gets good coverage while (falsely) giving people something to riot about and protest.

you nailed it

I disagree. African-Americans 100% do have something to protest. I think that anyone who doesn't think so is closing their eyes to what's really going on in many black communities and with cops, and in the justice system as a whole. I don't condone violence of course, and those who resort to that are indeed guilty of making matters worse, but I don't think it's right to suggest that black people and the majority of BLM supporters aren't completely justified in protesting the current situation and in being very angry and frustrated.

i think the problem that many of us have is that they seem to only want to protest one small portion of how their young are being killed. black men are something like 95% likely to be killed by another black male. shouldn't they be trying to solve that problem at first? protesting for 3 or 4 cases instead of the literally thousands killed by other means doesn't seem to make a lot of sense except that the media eats the attention up.

jeffbr

PJ_Soul said:

pjalive21 said:

mace1229 said:

pjalive21 said:

hedonist said:

PJ_Soul said:

EM194007 said:

igotid88 said:

protesters were shot at too

Yes, and one was shot. Who ever did this could care less if any protesters were shot or not. Seems like they had an agenda and nothing was getting in their way. But, the principle targets were the cops.

I haven't seen a single mention of any protestors getting shot..... Not saying it's not true, I just would have thought that it would be something the media would mention quite prominently.

I've seen a few mentions throughout my watching and reading.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/five-police-officers-killed-in-dallas-seven-others-injured-during-shooting-at-protest/ar-BBu5IC9?li=BBnb7Kz

I imagine the media is more focused right now on the acts committed, the intent, and the lives lost.

the media shares some responsibility in this...I know here locally the Fox affiliate fans the flames every damn day about race

the shooter was pissed about white offers but the incident in Minnesota the officer was Asian and then there was another case where a white kid was shot by white cops while laying on the damn ground and that got damn near zero coverage

I mean seriously can people not see thru the bullshit agenda?? divide and conquer

Whose agenda? I see two here. Media likes blowing this up and help spreading lies with 24/7 coverage of things like "Hands up don't shoot" but ignore coverage when physical evidence doesn't support that. Gets good ratings and coverage.
Groups like BLM do the same, spread hate by ignoring the facts and encouraging violence and riots. Obviously most are non-violent, but those riots in Ferguson and Baltimore wouldn't have happened without those movements.
They both feed into each other- Media gets good coverage while (falsely) giving people something to riot about and protest.

you nailed it

I disagree. African-Americans 100% do have something to protest. I think that anyone who doesn't think so is closing their eyes to what's really going on in many black communities and with cops, and in the justice system as a whole. I don't condone violence of course, and those who resort to that are indeed guilty of making matters worse, but I don't think it's right to suggest that black people and the majority of BLM supporters aren't completely justified in protesting the current situation and in being very angry and frustrated.

I agree with you that African-Americans have something to protest and should be pissed. But BLM isn't the org I'd want representing me if I were African-American and were working toward equality. BLM are a bunch of loose cannons. They are disorganized, prone to racism themselves, and take the wrong side too often supporting a shitbag criminal. They need to be a little more selective about their poster children, need to be more discerning about who they oppose, and if they want their message to be more universally accepted, they need to quit making enemies out of people who would otherwise be sympathetic to their message. BLM are a bunch of idiots and have been instrumental in creating further division rather than being a uniting force. I know I have as much respect for them as I did for the Occupy dummies (hint - not a lot).I think one can be supportive of equality and opposed to BLM at the same time. I don't believe BLM are interested in equality.

PJ_Soul

igotid88 said:

It's Black Lives Matter too. Not only black lives matter. By saying "All Lives Matter". You're making BLM something they're not or don't want to be.

Yeah, I personally find this "all lives matter" thing insulting (vicariously).

PJPOWER

dignin said:

mace1229 said:

This is not about gun control. This is the result of spreading hate about cops and calling it "open season" on blacks.
With over 600,000 cops in our country there have been a very small number (2 or 3) of legitimate murders-the rest were killed when a perceived weapon was used, fighting back, died of a heart-attack while fighting back etc. And groups like BLW ignore all of the facts, spread lies about the situation and spread fear and hatred. More cops have been killed since Ferguson as a result of an ambush like this.
Its not about guns, its about ALL lives matter. and this blood is on the hands of those self serving people like Jackson and Sharpton who benefit from this hate spreading and promote this hatred.
Comments like the ones on other threads such as "its open season on blacks" and "if you're black and sell CD's you get killed" are just stupid. They endorse this behavior, and then you wonder why some cops over react? Because you help spread that fear into them.

PJ_Soul said:

PP193448 said:

Fuckng ridiculous. All lives matter!!!

Just sayin'.

Obviously, cops' lives matter too, and other lives. No shit, everyone knows that. But being against the real idea behind BLM is what's ridiculous. I fully acknowledge that some more radical BLM supporters go about making their point in the wrong way (and then there are fanaticial freaks like the one(s) last night in Dallas, which I automatically don't even consider to be part of the BLM movement whether they end up mentioning it or not), but that doesn't change the fact that BLM makes a legitimate point generally.

Ironic that you use the analogy of something being set on fire to explain BLM...

PJ_Soul

jeffbr said:

PJ_Soul said:

pjalive21 said:

mace1229 said:

pjalive21 said:

hedonist said:

PJ_Soul said:

EM194007 said:

igotid88 said:

protesters were shot at too

Yes, and one was shot. Who ever did this could care less if any protesters were shot or not. Seems like they had an agenda and nothing was getting in their way. But, the principle targets were the cops.

I haven't seen a single mention of any protestors getting shot..... Not saying it's not true, I just would have thought that it would be something the media would mention quite prominently.

I've seen a few mentions throughout my watching and reading.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/five-police-officers-killed-in-dallas-seven-others-injured-during-shooting-at-protest/ar-BBu5IC9?li=BBnb7Kz

I imagine the media is more focused right now on the acts committed, the intent, and the lives lost.

the media shares some responsibility in this...I know here locally the Fox affiliate fans the flames every damn day about race

the shooter was pissed about white offers but the incident in Minnesota the officer was Asian and then there was another case where a white kid was shot by white cops while laying on the damn ground and that got damn near zero coverage

I mean seriously can people not see thru the bullshit agenda?? divide and conquer

Whose agenda? I see two here. Media likes blowing this up and help spreading lies with 24/7 coverage of things like "Hands up don't shoot" but ignore coverage when physical evidence doesn't support that. Gets good ratings and coverage.
Groups like BLM do the same, spread hate by ignoring the facts and encouraging violence and riots. Obviously most are non-violent, but those riots in Ferguson and Baltimore wouldn't have happened without those movements.
They both feed into each other- Media gets good coverage while (falsely) giving people something to riot about and protest.

you nailed it

I disagree. African-Americans 100% do have something to protest. I think that anyone who doesn't think so is closing their eyes to what's really going on in many black communities and with cops, and in the justice system as a whole. I don't condone violence of course, and those who resort to that are indeed guilty of making matters worse, but I don't think it's right to suggest that black people and the majority of BLM supporters aren't completely justified in protesting the current situation and in being very angry and frustrated.

I agree with you that African-Americans have something to protest and should be pissed. But BLM isn't the org I'd want representing me if I were African-American and were working toward equality. BLM are a bunch of loose cannons. They are disorganized, prone to racism themselves, and take the wrong side too often supporting a shitbag criminal. They need to be a little more selective about their poster children, need to be more discerning about who they oppose, and if they want their message to be more universally accepted, they need to quit making enemies out of people who would otherwise be sympathetic to their message. BLM are a bunch of idiots and have been instrumental in creating further division rather than being a uniting force. I know I have as much respect for them as I did for the Occupy dummies (hint - not a lot).I think one can be supportive of equality and opposed to BLM at the same time. I don't believe BLM are interested in equality.

Well BLM is a weird thing. You call it an organization and talk about it as though it's some kind of organized body. It's not. It's a grass roots movement. BLM aren't a "bunch of loose cannons". BLM is composed of a bunch of people from all economic/social levels who all have a common goal in mind: to fight for the rights of black people in America, particularly with regard to the legal system and their mistreatment within it and by the police. I personally don't blame the entire movement - an entire idea that in and of itself is absolutely righteous - just because some people who decide to get in on the movement don't know wtf they're doing and make poor decisions about how to get a point across. I blame those individuals for that. I think that most people who consider themselves "BLM" are as much against violence and stupid shit as the any of us are.

jeffbr

PJ_Soul said:

jeffbr said:

PJ_Soul said:

pjalive21 said:

mace1229 said:

pjalive21 said:

hedonist said:

PJ_Soul said:

EM194007 said:

igotid88 said:

protesters were shot at too

Yes, and one was shot. Who ever did this could care less if any protesters were shot or not. Seems like they had an agenda and nothing was getting in their way. But, the principle targets were the cops.

I haven't seen a single mention of any protestors getting shot..... Not saying it's not true, I just would have thought that it would be something the media would mention quite prominently.

I've seen a few mentions throughout my watching and reading.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/five-police-officers-killed-in-dallas-seven-others-injured-during-shooting-at-protest/ar-BBu5IC9?li=BBnb7Kz

I imagine the media is more focused right now on the acts committed, the intent, and the lives lost.

the media shares some responsibility in this...I know here locally the Fox affiliate fans the flames every damn day about race

the shooter was pissed about white offers but the incident in Minnesota the officer was Asian and then there was another case where a white kid was shot by white cops while laying on the damn ground and that got damn near zero coverage

I mean seriously can people not see thru the bullshit agenda?? divide and conquer

Whose agenda? I see two here. Media likes blowing this up and help spreading lies with 24/7 coverage of things like "Hands up don't shoot" but ignore coverage when physical evidence doesn't support that. Gets good ratings and coverage.
Groups like BLM do the same, spread hate by ignoring the facts and encouraging violence and riots. Obviously most are non-violent, but those riots in Ferguson and Baltimore wouldn't have happened without those movements.
They both feed into each other- Media gets good coverage while (falsely) giving people something to riot about and protest.

you nailed it

I disagree. African-Americans 100% do have something to protest. I think that anyone who doesn't think so is closing their eyes to what's really going on in many black communities and with cops, and in the justice system as a whole. I don't condone violence of course, and those who resort to that are indeed guilty of making matters worse, but I don't think it's right to suggest that black people and the majority of BLM supporters aren't completely justified in protesting the current situation and in being very angry and frustrated.

I agree with you that African-Americans have something to protest and should be pissed. But BLM isn't the org I'd want representing me if I were African-American and were working toward equality. BLM are a bunch of loose cannons. They are disorganized, prone to racism themselves, and take the wrong side too often supporting a shitbag criminal. They need to be a little more selective about their poster children, need to be more discerning about who they oppose, and if they want their message to be more universally accepted, they need to quit making enemies out of people who would otherwise be sympathetic to their message. BLM are a bunch of idiots and have been instrumental in creating further division rather than being a uniting force. I know I have as much respect for them as I did for the Occupy dummies (hint - not a lot).I think one can be supportive of equality and opposed to BLM at the same time. I don't believe BLM are interested in equality.

Well BLM is a weird thing. You call it an organization and talk about it as though it's some kind of organized body. It's not. It's a grass roots movement. BLM aren't a "bunch of loose cannons". BLM is composed of a bunch of people who have nothing to do with each other who all have a common goal in mind: to fight for the rights of black people in America, especially with regards to the legal system. I personally don't blame the entire movement - an entire idea that in and of itself is absolutely righteous - just because some people who decide to get in on the movement don't know wtf they're doing and make poor decisions about how to get a point across. I blame those individuals for that.

How does one separate the individual from the movement? I'm not that far from you in my sympathy with racial equality activists, but simply can't take anything with a #blacklivesmatter hashtag seriously. That's where we differ. We have a thread about anti-intellectualism on the rise in this country, and I would point to this movement as another example. To me, it appears that their common goal is to incite racial division and anti-cop sentiments. They are the antithesis of helpful in building bonds, countering racism, and working toward any solution.

mace1229

PJ_Soul said:

pjalive21 said:

mace1229 said:

pjalive21 said:

hedonist said:

PJ_Soul said:

EM194007 said:

igotid88 said:

protesters were shot at too

Yes, and one was shot. Who ever did this could care less if any protesters were shot or not. Seems like they had an agenda and nothing was getting in their way. But, the principle targets were the cops.

I haven't seen a single mention of any protestors getting shot..... Not saying it's not true, I just would have thought that it would be something the media would mention quite prominently.

I've seen a few mentions throughout my watching and reading.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/five-police-officers-killed-in-dallas-seven-others-injured-during-shooting-at-protest/ar-BBu5IC9?li=BBnb7Kz

I imagine the media is more focused right now on the acts committed, the intent, and the lives lost.

the media shares some responsibility in this...I know here locally the Fox affiliate fans the flames every damn day about race

the shooter was pissed about white offers but the incident in Minnesota the officer was Asian and then there was another case where a white kid was shot by white cops while laying on the damn ground and that got damn near zero coverage

I mean seriously can people not see thru the bullshit agenda?? divide and conquer

Whose agenda? I see two here. Media likes blowing this up and help spreading lies with 24/7 coverage of things like "Hands up don't shoot" but ignore coverage when physical evidence doesn't support that. Gets good ratings and coverage.
Groups like BLM do the same, spread hate by ignoring the facts and encouraging violence and riots. Obviously most are non-violent, but those riots in Ferguson and Baltimore wouldn't have happened without those movements.
They both feed into each other- Media gets good coverage while (falsely) giving people something to riot about and protest.

you nailed it

I disagree. African-Americans 100% do have something to protest. I think that anyone who doesn't think so is closing their eyes to what's really going on in many black communities and with cops, and in the justice system as a whole. I don't condone violence of course, and those who resort to that are indeed guilty of making matters worse, but I don't think it's right to suggest that black people and the majority of BLM supporters aren't completely justified in protesting the current situation and in being very angry and frustrated.

I think this is exaggerated.
What am I closing my eyes to?
BLW says if you J-walk you get shot. Here's the facts: Rob a liquor store, then J-walk, resist arrest, assault a police office and go for his weapon you'll get shot.

Sell cigarettes you'll get shot. Truth: Sell cigarettes and local store owners call the cops (as I would if I was the store owner). Resist arrest, suffer heart attack while fighting back because your 400 lbs and don't take care of yourself. Not choked to death as media reported for days or weeks.

They say if you sell CD's you get shot. Truth: Selling CD's while threatening people with a gun (they tend to leave that part out). Resist arrest and fight back, police unholster gun and say "if you move I will shoot." He continues resisting and gets shot. All the facts aren't even out yet, but in my opinion I don't even care if he was going for his gun, all that matters is they knew he was armed and couldn't keep him restrained and continued to fight. If you are armed and police cannot restrain you, police should have the right to shoot because I would fear for my life if I was in a fight with an armed man.

Common theme seems like don't resist arrest and fight police.

Latest shooting none of the facts are out so I have no comment.

There have been more police shot and murdered than unwarranted police shootings. I can recall 2 or 3 unlawful police shootings that made national news, and those cops are in jail. 10 times that many cops have been ambushed and murdered as a result of these protests.

Where does this notion of "open season" come from? If you look at the facts nearly all are justified and is why charges are dropped or not filed. Its not a nation-wide police conspiracy.

I can google "unarmed white man shot" and find just as many cases. With 330 million people in this country and 600,000 police, finding 1 or 2 actual police murders does not constitute open season or a pattern.

EM194007

jeffbr said:

How does one separate the individual from the movement? I'm not that far from you in my sympathy with racial equality activists, but simply can't take anything with a #blacklivesmatter hashtag seriously. That's where we differ. We have a thread about anti-intellectualism on the rise in this country, and I would point to this movement as another example. To me, it appears that their common goal is to incite racial division and anti-cop sentiments. They are the antithesis of helpful in building bonds, countering racism, and working toward any solution.

Follow the money funding BLM, that'll show you a lot.