Getting Ugly In Dallas

mace1229

This is not about gun control. This is the result of spreading hate about cops and calling it "open season" on blacks.
With over 600,000 cops in our country there have been a very small number (2 or 3) of legitimate murders-the rest were killed when a perceived weapon was used, fighting back, died of a heart-attack while fighting back etc. And groups like BLW ignore all of the facts, spread lies about the situation and spread fear and hatred. More cops have been killed since Ferguson as a result of an ambush like this.
Its not about guns, its about ALL lives matter. and this blood is on the hands of those self serving people like Jackson and Sharpton who benefit from this hate spreading and promote this hatred.
Comments like the ones on other threads such as "its open season on blacks" and "if you're black and sell CD's you get killed" are just stupid. They endorse this behavior, and then you wonder why some cops over react? Because you help spread that fear into them.

lukin2006

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

lukin2006 said:

Blame the guns all you want in America ... its quite simple America has a violence problem that is out of control ... and is there any turning back? I doubt it...

This is true.

But with this in mind... how much sense does it make to provide the means to administer violence so easily?

The gun violence the US experiences today is the failure of the last generation of law makers and society. The gun violence the current group of US children will experience as adults will mark the failure of the current generation to make meaningful change.

Because I think many of these same people would be violent no matter what weapon they use ... ban knives then, they are far easier to use than a gun, far easier to conceal and can be purchased everywhere, how bout the hammer ...

The US is a violent country, the reaction to a violent incident in the US always seems to be with more violence right from the very top down to states that use the death penalty as their first reaction to what just happened in Dallas. Now I do agree that banning guns might prevent some tragedys ... but in the US guns are readily available through the black market just as drugs are.

I do also believe that other problems exist for sure that causes this violence, I would say lack of education, poverty and lack of real meaningful jobs contribute.

pjhawks

mace1229 said:

This is not about gun control. This is the result of spreading hate about cops and calling it "open season" on blacks.
With over 600,000 cops in our country there have been a very small number (2 or 3) of legitimate murders-the rest were killed when a perceived weapon was used, fighting back, died of a heart-attack while fighting back etc. And groups like BLW ignore all of the facts, spread lies about the situation and spread fear and hatred. More cops have been killed since Ferguson as a result of an ambush like this.
Its not about guns, its about ALL lives matter. and this blood is on the hands of those self serving people like Jackson and Sharpton who benefit from this hate spreading and promote this hatred.
Comments like the ones on other threads such as "its open season on blacks" and "if you're black and sell CD's you get killed" are just stupid. They endorse this behavior, and then you wonder why some cops over react? Because you help spread that fear into them.

agree 100%. the few incidents are over sensationalized by the media and some people while ignoring all the other violence that is killing black males at much higher rates. i think when something like this happens the media has some culpability.

mickeyrat

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/08/the-irony-at-the-heart-of-the-dallas-police-deaths-after-a-black-lives-matter-march/?tid=sm_fb

Gern Blansten

lukin2006 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

lukin2006 said:

Blame the guns all you want in America ... its quite simple America has a violence problem that is out of control ... and is there any turning back? I doubt it...

This is true.

But with this in mind... how much sense does it make to provide the means to administer violence so easily?

The gun violence the US experiences today is the failure of the last generation of law makers and society. The gun violence the current group of US children will experience as adults will mark the failure of the current generation to make meaningful change.

Because I think many of these same people would be violent no matter what weapon they use ... ban knives then, they are far easier to use than a gun, far easier to conceal and can be purchased everywhere, how bout the hammer ...

The US is a violent country, the reaction to a violent incident in the US always seems to be with more violence right from the very top down to states that use the death penalty as their first reaction to what just happened in Dallas. Now I do agree that banning guns might prevent some tragedys ... but in the US guns are readily available through the black market just as drugs are.

I do also believe that other problems exist for sure that causes this violence, I would say lack of education, poverty and lack of real meaningful jobs contribute.

Excuse me....someone running toward a cop with a knife or hammer is no where near the threat of someone with an AR-15 taking cover behind a concrete pillar.

Don't even try to make that comparison.

This incident was a perfect example of what can go wrong with open carry and lax gun laws.

Without open carry laws the police know immediately who the suspect is. With open carry they have no idea. It's ridiculous.

PP193448

Or a perfect example of racist murderers

bootlegger10

Gern Blansten said:

lukin2006 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

lukin2006 said:

Blame the guns all you want in America ... its quite simple America has a violence problem that is out of control ... and is there any turning back? I doubt it...

This is true.

But with this in mind... how much sense does it make to provide the means to administer violence so easily?

The gun violence the US experiences today is the failure of the last generation of law makers and society. The gun violence the current group of US children will experience as adults will mark the failure of the current generation to make meaningful change.

Because I think many of these same people would be violent no matter what weapon they use ... ban knives then, they are far easier to use than a gun, far easier to conceal and can be purchased everywhere, how bout the hammer ...

The US is a violent country, the reaction to a violent incident in the US always seems to be with more violence right from the very top down to states that use the death penalty as their first reaction to what just happened in Dallas. Now I do agree that banning guns might prevent some tragedys ... but in the US guns are readily available through the black market just as drugs are.

I do also believe that other problems exist for sure that causes this violence, I would say lack of education, poverty and lack of real meaningful jobs contribute.

Excuse me....someone running toward a cop with a knife or hammer is no where near the threat of someone with an AR-15 taking cover behind a concrete pillar.

Don't even try to make that comparison.

This incident was a perfect example of what can go wrong with open carry and lax gun laws.

Without open carry laws the police know immediately who the suspect is. With open carry they have no idea. It's ridiculous.

Yeah, that one dude that was a person of interest and had his picture on the news for a couple hours probably regrets carrying around a rifle for the hell of it. I assume based on the news last night he ended up not being part of the attack.

It is ridiculous that you can just carry a rifle around wherever you want.

PJPOWER

bootlegger10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

lukin2006 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

lukin2006 said:

Blame the guns all you want in America ... its quite simple America has a violence problem that is out of control ... and is there any turning back? I doubt it...

This is true.

But with this in mind... how much sense does it make to provide the means to administer violence so easily?

The gun violence the US experiences today is the failure of the last generation of law makers and society. The gun violence the current group of US children will experience as adults will mark the failure of the current generation to make meaningful change.

Because I think many of these same people would be violent no matter what weapon they use ... ban knives then, they are far easier to use than a gun, far easier to conceal and can be purchased everywhere, how bout the hammer ...

The US is a violent country, the reaction to a violent incident in the US always seems to be with more violence right from the very top down to states that use the death penalty as their first reaction to what just happened in Dallas. Now I do agree that banning guns might prevent some tragedys ... but in the US guns are readily available through the black market just as drugs are.

I do also believe that other problems exist for sure that causes this violence, I would say lack of education, poverty and lack of real meaningful jobs contribute.

Excuse me....someone running toward a cop with a knife or hammer is no where near the threat of someone with an AR-15 taking cover behind a concrete pillar.

Don't even try to make that comparison.

This incident was a perfect example of what can go wrong with open carry and lax gun laws.

Without open carry laws the police know immediately who the suspect is. With open carry they have no idea. It's ridiculous.

Yeah, that one dude that was a person of interest and had his picture on the news for a couple hours probably regrets carrying around a rifle for the hell of it. I assume based on the news last night he ended up not being part of the attack.

It is ridiculous that you can just carry a rifle around wherever you want.

That idiot did not understand that there are still consequences for exercising your rights, much like happens when people are baffled after there are consequences when saying dumb shit in exercising their first amendment rights. Just because you have the rights does not mean you will not suffer consequences for your idiocy while exercising those rights.

mattsl1983

This isn't about guns. You can take a regular deer hunting rifle and make the shots that were made. Has it even come out what type of gun was used?

josevolution

The police are also not used to defending themselves against shooters with these types of weapons on a daily basis ! Guns yes not what was used last night !

PJ_Soul

EM194007 said:

igotid88 said:

protesters were shot at too

Yes, and one was shot. Who ever did this could care less if any protesters were shot or not. Seems like they had an agenda and nothing was getting in their way. But, the principle targets were the cops.

I haven't seen a single mention of any protestors getting shot..... Not saying it's not true, I just would have thought that it would be something the media would mention quite prominently.

PJ_Soul

what dreams said:

I watched CNN up until about 3 in the morning eastern, and several commentators called it terrorism. Former law enforcement, civil rights activists -- none of them hesitated to call it that.

If the shooters had a political agenda, then it's terrorism. That's how I see it.

brianlux

blueandwhite said:

brianlux said:

How absolutely fucked up terrible it is that these officers had to get killed before (or maybe even...) some laws about what types of guns are legal and where and when a person can carry certain weapons. We're not even talking all out gun ban here. We haven't even reached the first stage of common sense in some parts. Ridiculously bad shit.

Surely you jest. Any outcry for gun reform will be quickly swept under the rug as it always is and there will probably be a surge in gun sales in Texas today. Get 'em while you can. Tens of thousands of Americans die due to gun violence every year yet your government stays silent. Why would anything change today?

Sadly, I do not jest, blueandwhite and even more sadly, you're right, gun sales always go up when crazy shit happens. Quite likely, nothing will change.

PJ_Soul

PP193448 said:

Fuckng ridiculous. All lives matter!!!

Just sayin'.

Obviously, cops' lives matter too, and other lives. No shit, everyone knows that. But being against the real idea behind BLM is what's ridiculous. I fully acknowledge that some more radical BLM supporters go about making their point in the wrong way (and then there are fanaticial freaks like the one(s) last night in Dallas, which I automatically don't even consider to be part of the BLM movement whether they end up mentioning it or not), but that doesn't change the fact that BLM makes a legitimate point generally.

brianlux

PJPOWER said:

Hate is spreading like wildfire...Sad day all around.

Next to tragic loss of life, this is that sad thing going down.

hedonist

PJ_Soul said:

EM194007 said:

igotid88 said:

protesters were shot at too

Yes, and one was shot. Who ever did this could care less if any protesters were shot or not. Seems like they had an agenda and nothing was getting in their way. But, the principle targets were the cops.

I haven't seen a single mention of any protestors getting shot..... Not saying it's not true, I just would have thought that it would be something the media would mention quite prominently.

I've seen a few mentions throughout my watching and reading.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/five-police-officers-killed-in-dallas-seven-others-injured-during-shooting-at-protest/ar-BBu5IC9?li=BBnb7Kz

I imagine the media is more focused right now on the acts committed, the intent, and the lives lost.

dimitrispearljam

whispering hands said:

dimitrispearljam said:

tempo_n_groove said:

dimitrispearljam said:

,after what happen in dallas,finally i understand the purpose behind the Second Amendmen
is for killing eachother ,police-citixens,with no reason..
now all make sence

The people that did this are getting EXACTLY what they wanted, to DIVIDE all of us.

It's happening. Just put your politics aside for a second and think about that.

i dont have any pilitical agenda,im a citizen of a country thaqt gall guns are banned
people who did this have guns cos its their right to own them, and they think its their right to protect them selfs from tyrany,so,,lets kill some cops,,we fight gor our rights!!
again"make sence" now..
people killing eachother for no reason
ill tell u that..people likes to kill and the Second Amendmen works just fine for them cos legaly can own a fuckin gun and they can use it to "protect" themselfs

You can't tell someone how or what to believe. Period. And carrying a gun does not make you a whack
Job.. It makes us citizens prepared to defend our lives, ( or as I train for ) the lives of those around them, or their property and home. When those that carry misuse that freedom they blame all of us. THAT is whack. Until two years ago, I carried everywhere. I have an open AND concealed carry permit. But now with the nuerapathy, I keep the pistol jn my car, or I just don't carry at all. ( I still train for my carries because muscle
Memory is key to reaction). It boils down to this:
Freedoms and free will can be a toxic combination. The GUN didn't kill anyone. The gun fired a bullet. As it was designed and intended to do. The PERSON HOLDING said weapon killed people. Period.

yeah,.,.and if u dont have a gun,,you just cant shoot anyone..all safe..
ban the fuckin guns..dont u gius see that u have the most killings on the fuckin planet???
cant u see thatr so many countires of the west ban the guns and dont kill eachothers like dogs on the streets??cant u see that simple things??

Free

Bentleyspop said:

whispering hands said:

dimitrispearljam said:

tempo_n_groove said:

dimitrispearljam said:

,after what happen in dallas,finally i understand the purpose behind the Second Amendmen
is for killing eachother ,police-citixens,with no reason..
now all make sence

The people that did this are getting EXACTLY what they wanted, to DIVIDE all of us.

It's happening. Just put your politics aside for a second and think about that.

i dont have any pilitical agenda,im a citizen of a country thaqt gall guns are banned
people who did this have guns cos its their right to own them, and they think its their right to protect them selfs from tyrany,so,,lets kill some cops,,we fight gor our rights!!
again"make sence" now..
people killing eachother for no reason
ill tell u that..people likes to kill and the Second Amendmen works just fine for them cos legaly can own a fuckin gun and they can use it to "protect" themselfs

You can't tell someone how or what to believe. Period. And carrying a gun does not make you a whack
Job.. It makes us citizens prepared to defend our lives, ( or as I train for ) the lives of those around them, or their property and home. When those that carry misuse that freedom they blame all of us. THAT is whack. Until two years ago, I carried everywhere. I have an open AND concealed carry permit. But now with the nuerapathy, I keep the pistol jn my car, or I just don't carry at all. ( I still train for my carries because muscle
Memory is key to reaction). It boils down to this:
Freedoms and free will can be a toxic combination. The GUN didn't kill anyone. The gun fired a bullet. As it was designed and intended to do. The PERSON HOLDING said weapon killed people. Period.

You're exactly right

Guns don't kill people

Gun owners kill people

PJ_Soul

dimitrispearljam said:

whispering hands said:

dimitrispearljam said:

tempo_n_groove said:

dimitrispearljam said:

,after what happen in dallas,finally i understand the purpose behind the Second Amendmen
is for killing eachother ,police-citixens,with no reason..
now all make sence

The people that did this are getting EXACTLY what they wanted, to DIVIDE all of us.

It's happening. Just put your politics aside for a second and think about that.

i dont have any pilitical agenda,im a citizen of a country thaqt gall guns are banned
people who did this have guns cos its their right to own them, and they think its their right to protect them selfs from tyrany,so,,lets kill some cops,,we fight gor our rights!!
again"make sence" now..
people killing eachother for no reason
ill tell u that..people likes to kill and the Second Amendmen works just fine for them cos legaly can own a fuckin gun and they can use it to "protect" themselfs

You can't tell someone how or what to believe. Period. And carrying a gun does not make you a whack
Job.. It makes us citizens prepared to defend our lives, ( or as I train for ) the lives of those around them, or their property and home. When those that carry misuse that freedom they blame all of us. THAT is whack. Until two years ago, I carried everywhere. I have an open AND concealed carry permit. But now with the nuerapathy, I keep the pistol jn my car, or I just don't carry at all. ( I still train for my carries because muscle
Memory is key to reaction). It boils down to this:
Freedoms and free will can be a toxic combination. The GUN didn't kill anyone. The gun fired a bullet. As it was designed and intended to do. The PERSON HOLDING said weapon killed people. Period.

yeah,.,.and if u dont have a gun,,you just cant shoot anyone..all safe..
ban the fuckin guns..dont u gius see that u have the most killings on the fuckin planet???
cant u see thatr so many countires of the west ban the guns and dont kill eachothers like dogs on the streets??cant u see that simple things??

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens.

http://www.theonion.com/article/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-36131

Jason P

I'm assuming that the Dallas PD didn't come up with the idea of arming a robot with a bomb on the fly ...