Getting Ugly In Dallas

EM194007

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dignin

jeffbr said:

PJ_Soul said:

jeffbr said:

PJ_Soul said:

pjalive21 said:

mace1229 said:

pjalive21 said:

hedonist said:

PJ_Soul said:

EM194007 said:

igotid88 said:

protesters were shot at too

Yes, and one was shot. Who ever did this could care less if any protesters were shot or not. Seems like they had an agenda and nothing was getting in their way. But, the principle targets were the cops.

I haven't seen a single mention of any protestors getting shot..... Not saying it's not true, I just would have thought that it would be something the media would mention quite prominently.

I've seen a few mentions throughout my watching and reading.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/five-police-officers-killed-in-dallas-seven-others-injured-during-shooting-at-protest/ar-BBu5IC9?li=BBnb7Kz

I imagine the media is more focused right now on the acts committed, the intent, and the lives lost.

the media shares some responsibility in this...I know here locally the Fox affiliate fans the flames every damn day about race

the shooter was pissed about white offers but the incident in Minnesota the officer was Asian and then there was another case where a white kid was shot by white cops while laying on the damn ground and that got damn near zero coverage

I mean seriously can people not see thru the bullshit agenda?? divide and conquer

Whose agenda? I see two here. Media likes blowing this up and help spreading lies with 24/7 coverage of things like "Hands up don't shoot" but ignore coverage when physical evidence doesn't support that. Gets good ratings and coverage.
Groups like BLM do the same, spread hate by ignoring the facts and encouraging violence and riots. Obviously most are non-violent, but those riots in Ferguson and Baltimore wouldn't have happened without those movements.
They both feed into each other- Media gets good coverage while (falsely) giving people something to riot about and protest.

you nailed it

I disagree. African-Americans 100% do have something to protest. I think that anyone who doesn't think so is closing their eyes to what's really going on in many black communities and with cops, and in the justice system as a whole. I don't condone violence of course, and those who resort to that are indeed guilty of making matters worse, but I don't think it's right to suggest that black people and the majority of BLM supporters aren't completely justified in protesting the current situation and in being very angry and frustrated.

I agree with you that African-Americans have something to protest and should be pissed. But BLM isn't the org I'd want representing me if I were African-American and were working toward equality. BLM are a bunch of loose cannons. They are disorganized, prone to racism themselves, and take the wrong side too often supporting a shitbag criminal. They need to be a little more selective about their poster children, need to be more discerning about who they oppose, and if they want their message to be more universally accepted, they need to quit making enemies out of people who would otherwise be sympathetic to their message. BLM are a bunch of idiots and have been instrumental in creating further division rather than being a uniting force. I know I have as much respect for them as I did for the Occupy dummies (hint - not a lot).I think one can be supportive of equality and opposed to BLM at the same time. I don't believe BLM are interested in equality.

Well BLM is a weird thing. You call it an organization and talk about it as though it's some kind of organized body. It's not. It's a grass roots movement. BLM aren't a "bunch of loose cannons". BLM is composed of a bunch of people who have nothing to do with each other who all have a common goal in mind: to fight for the rights of black people in America, especially with regards to the legal system. I personally don't blame the entire movement - an entire idea that in and of itself is absolutely righteous - just because some people who decide to get in on the movement don't know wtf they're doing and make poor decisions about how to get a point across. I blame those individuals for that.

How does one separate the individual from the movement? I'm not that far from you in my sympathy with racial equality activists, but simply can't take anything with a #blacklivesmatter hashtag seriously. That's where we differ. We have a thread about anti-intellectualism on the rise in this country, and I would point to this movement as another example. To me, it appears that their common goal is to incite racial division and anti-cop sentiments. They are the antithesis of helpful in building bonds, countering racism, and working toward any solution.

https://mic.com/articles/148136/dallas-police-shooting-started-as-a-peaceful-protest-not-a-black-lives-matter-attack#.0g0rmL4Yl

mace1229

EM194007 said:

jeffbr said:

How does one separate the individual from the movement? I'm not that far from you in my sympathy with racial equality activists, but simply can't take anything with a #blacklivesmatter hashtag seriously. That's where we differ. We have a thread about anti-intellectualism on the rise in this country, and I would point to this movement as another example. To me, it appears that their common goal is to incite racial division and anti-cop sentiments. They are the antithesis of helpful in building bonds, countering racism, and working toward any solution.

Follow the money funding BLM, that'll show you a lot.

Agreed. Look at how much money Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson make from their organizations and you'll see why they are always out front fueling the flames on these issues. More donations to their cause=higher salary for themselves.

InHiding80

The cop killers are just as bad as that Minnesota cop. Two wrongs don't make a right by killing non corrupt cops.

InHiding80

igotid88 said:

Then there's this guy

https://twitter.com/TheBaxterBean/status/751274639255441409

He's Rocky Mountain stupid. Shame the coolest Eagle has to share the same name as that thug.

PJ_Soul

InHiding80 said:

The cop killers are just as bad as that Minnesota cop. Two wrongs don't make a right by killing non corrupt cops.

I can't imagine that any sane person would disagree with this.

lukin2006

Gern Blansten said:

lukin2006 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

lukin2006 said:

Blame the guns all you want in America ... its quite simple America has a violence problem that is out of control ... and is there any turning back? I doubt it...

This is true.

But with this in mind... how much sense does it make to provide the means to administer violence so easily?

The gun violence the US experiences today is the failure of the last generation of law makers and society. The gun violence the current group of US children will experience as adults will mark the failure of the current generation to make meaningful change.

Because I think many of these same people would be violent no matter what weapon they use ... ban knives then, they are far easier to use than a gun, far easier to conceal and can be purchased everywhere, how bout the hammer ...

The US is a violent country, the reaction to a violent incident in the US always seems to be with more violence right from the very top down to states that use the death penalty as their first reaction to what just happened in Dallas. Now I do agree that banning guns might prevent some tragedys ... but in the US guns are readily available through the black market just as drugs are.

I do also believe that other problems exist for sure that causes this violence, I would say lack of education, poverty and lack of real meaningful jobs contribute.

Excuse me....someone running toward a cop with a knife or hammer is no where near the threat of someone with an AR-15 taking cover behind a concrete pillar.

Don't even try to make that comparison.

This incident was a perfect example of what can go wrong with open carry and lax gun laws.

Without open carry laws the police know immediately who the suspect is. With open carry they have no idea. It's ridiculous.

There still a threat ... and they need zero knowledge.

pureoc

dimitrispearljam said:

whispering hands said:

dimitrispearljam said:

tempo_n_groove said:

dimitrispearljam said:

,after what happen in dallas,finally i understand the purpose behind the Second Amendmen
is for killing eachother ,police-citixens,with no reason..
now all make sence

The people that did this are getting EXACTLY what they wanted, to DIVIDE all of us.

It's happening. Just put your politics aside for a second and think about that.

i dont have any pilitical agenda,im a citizen of a country thaqt gall guns are banned
people who did this have guns cos its their right to own them, and they think its their right to protect them selfs from tyrany,so,,lets kill some cops,,we fight gor our rights!!
again"make sence" now..
people killing eachother for no reason
ill tell u that..people likes to kill and the Second Amendmen works just fine for them cos legaly can own a fuckin gun and they can use it to "protect" themselfs

You can't tell someone how or what to believe. Period. And carrying a gun does not make you a whack
Job.. It makes us citizens prepared to defend our lives, ( or as I train for ) the lives of those around them, or their property and home. When those that carry misuse that freedom they blame all of us. THAT is whack. Until two years ago, I carried everywhere. I have an open AND concealed carry permit. But now with the nuerapathy, I keep the pistol jn my car, or I just don't carry at all. ( I still train for my carries because muscle
Memory is key to reaction). It boils down to this:
Freedoms and free will can be a toxic combination. The GUN didn't kill anyone. The gun fired a bullet. As it was designed and intended to do. The PERSON HOLDING said weapon killed people. Period.

yeah,.,.and if u dont have a gun,,you just cant shoot anyone..all safe..
ban the fuckin guns..dont u gius see that u have the most killings on the fuckin planet???
cant u see thatr so many countires of the west ban the guns and dont kill eachothers like dogs on the streets??cant u see that simple things??

A decent portion of the general population agrees. Sadly the elected officials, the only ones with power, care more about their nra payday than peoples lives. Even sadder is that we can expect nothing to change, especially with the 2 garbage candidates we have running for president.

green_girl

Except for a few common-sense posts, I find the narrative of this thread disturbing.

1 unnatural death is too many. Was there a war declared that we don't know about? If you don't like saying BLM, say "BLM, too." No one can judge and sentence a person in the street. And unless any of these dead black people look like your cousin, brother or reflection —so what, they should not have to for you to care.

The irony is that the Dallas shooters tried to start a revolution (I guess), but only changed the conversation. Yesterday's sympathy and guilt can easily be replaced with "See, I told you they were animals." Look around. The nation is having a collective nervous breakdown, and this was a cry for help.

brianlux

Free said:

How Protesters Actually Helped the Dallas Police

http://usuncut.com/black-lives-matter/black-lives-matter-protesters-dallas/

Anyone believing this was a BLM action would do well to read this!

brianlux

No to detract from the topic here for long but I would say I agree with the concept "all lives matter" if that concept came from a biocentric viewpoint.

PJ_Soul

Yeah, that's the thing. The Dallas shooting isn't a BLM action. Not even if those involved might have grasped onto the term as an excuse for what they did.

Who Princess

green_girl said:

Except for a few common-sense posts, I find the narrative of this thread disturbing.

1 unnatural death is too many. Was there a war declared that we don't know about? If you don't like saying BLM, say "BLM, too." No one can judge and sentence a person in the street. And unless any of these dead black people look like your cousin, brother or reflection —so what, they should not have to for you to care.

The irony is that the Dallas shooters tried to start a revolution (I guess), but only changed the conversation. Yesterday's sympathy and guilt can easily be replaced with "See, I told you they were animals." Look around. The nation is having a collective nervous breakdown, and this was a cry for help.

Thank you. We can be aware and supportive of the BLM movement and still be shocked and angry at the targeting of Dallas police officers. My mind is reeling from the collective shock of events this week. I just want to stop, grieve, and try to understand what is happening, and everyday comes another event I couldn't have imagined.

jerparker20

And then there's this f'n guy:

http://beta.dallasnews.com/news/dallas-ambush/2016/07/08/texas-lt-gov-dan-patrick-calls-dallas-protesters-hypocrites-running-snipers-bullets

brianlux

jerparker20 said:

And then there's this f'n guy:

http://beta.dallasnews.com/news/dallas-ambush/2016/07/08/texas-lt-gov-dan-patrick-calls-dallas-protesters-hypocrites-running-snipers-bullets

Yeah, governor Dan, you are so right. Anytime I find myself in a hail of bullets I like to get out in the open and take in a nice long bullet shower.

Jimminy Cricket, what the hell is wrong with the man? Hit the "preview" button first next time, Gov!

Dirtie_Frank

I have a serious question, Yesterday in Dallas they first circulated a picture of a Black Male carrying a rifle. It turned out he turned his weapon in and then turned himself in once he knew he was a person of interest or suspect. Is it not reasonable to see why this man was a suspect. He was at the protest seen on camera with a rifle and shots were being fired by a rifle. I just heard on the news that he and his lawyers are weighing legal action against Dallas. Isn't that a bit of a stretch, could it be he was seen with a rifle that is why he was a suspect?

jerparker20

Dirtie_Frank said:

I have a serious question, Yesterday in Dallas they first circulated a picture of a Black Male carrying a rifle. It turned out he turned his weapon in and then turned himself in once he knew he was a person of interest or suspect. Is it not reasonable to see why this man was a suspect. He was at the protest seen on camera with a rifle and shots were being fired by a rifle. I just heard on the news that he and his lawyers are weighing legal action against Dallas. Isn't that a bit of a stretch, could it be he was seen with a rifle that is why he was a suspect?

Texas is an open carry state. He was within the law in Texas to be walking around with that rifle. It's a little f'd up, but legit there.

SD48277

So where do we go from here?

Ray J. T.

SD48277 said:

So where do we go from here?

Been asking myself the same question now! Doesn't seem that we are heading in a direction of things getting better soon.

jnimhaoileoin

SD48277 said:

So where do we go from here?

Add that to the list of questions on Brian's thread!