The common theme to nearly all of the violent tragedies of late is that legislation and the government will be ineffective in achieving positive change.
The changes needed all begin with the individual. From there, family, community, city, state and nation.
Laws mandating tolerance, acceptance and peaceful coexistence of all human beings will do absolutely nothing if every individual isn't evolved enough to follow those laws.
People on every side of every issue have to stop hating, fighting, bickering and killing on their own.
Well said, Dudeman. Kind of answers my question "Where are the good leaders"- maybe we need to be leaders of sorts by advocating for tolerance, acceptance and peace.
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I have a serious question, Yesterday in Dallas they first circulated a picture of a Black Male carrying a rifle. It turned out he turned his weapon in and then turned himself in once he knew he was a person of interest or suspect. Is it not reasonable to see why this man was a suspect. He was at the protest seen on camera with a rifle and shots were being fired by a rifle. I just heard on the news that he and his lawyers are weighing legal action against Dallas. Isn't that a bit of a stretch, could it be he was seen with a rifle that is why he was a suspect?
Texas is an open carry state. He was within the law in Texas to be walking around with that rifle. It's a little f'd up, but legit there.
Right. I completely disapprove of open carry, but if the law is going to allow people to carry assault weapons around at public gatherings, their being suspicious of people carrying guns at public gatherings is unfair.... and that is one of the reasons open carry is idiotic. FWIW, anyone who totes a gun around at a peaceful protest is an asshole IMO. I'm not saying it's fair this guy's photo was released in the media or anything, but I still think he's a jackass for feeling like bringing that gun to the rally (supposedly unloaded) was a good idea. Why do people do that?? I can only imagine it's done to intimidate. Lame. Gun culture strikes again.
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Good article - all seems like common sense.... that threatens the old boys club and the young brahs alike. It's always been hard to limit male dominance. The body cams seem like an absolute given to me. Any resistance to that appears to be just complete acknowledgment that a police force doesn't want to expose all the shit they're doing wrong.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I have a serious question, Yesterday in Dallas they first circulated a picture of a Black Male carrying a rifle. It turned out he turned his weapon in and then turned himself in once he knew he was a person of interest or suspect. Is it not reasonable to see why this man was a suspect. He was at the protest seen on camera with a rifle and shots were being fired by a rifle. I just heard on the news that he and his lawyers are weighing legal action against Dallas. Isn't that a bit of a stretch, could it be he was seen with a rifle that is why he was a suspect?
Texas is an open carry state. He was within the law in Texas to be walking around with that rifle. It's a little f'd up, but legit there.
Right. I completely disapprove of open carry, but if the law is going to allow people to carry assault weapons around at public gatherings, their being suspicious of people carrying guns at public gatherings is unfair.... and that is one of the reasons open carry is idiotic. FWIW, anyone who totes a gun around at a peaceful protest is an asshole IMO. I'm not saying it's fair this guy's photo was released in the media or anything, but I still think he's a jackass for feeling like bringing that gun to the rally (supposedly unloaded) was a good idea. Why do people do that?? I can only imagine it's done to intimidate. Lame. Gun culture strikes again.
I feel the same way. I was actually accused of being a racist on Facebook for suggesting the guy was an idiot for bringing an assault rifle to a peaceful protest. People are dumb.
I have a serious question, Yesterday in Dallas they first circulated a picture of a Black Male carrying a rifle. It turned out he turned his weapon in and then turned himself in once he knew he was a person of interest or suspect. Is it not reasonable to see why this man was a suspect. He was at the protest seen on camera with a rifle and shots were being fired by a rifle. I just heard on the news that he and his lawyers are weighing legal action against Dallas. Isn't that a bit of a stretch, could it be he was seen with a rifle that is why he was a suspect?
Texas is an open carry state. He was within the law in Texas to be walking around with that rifle. It's a little f'd up, but legit there.
Right. I completely disapprove of open carry, but if the law is going to allow people to carry assault weapons around at public gatherings, their being suspicious of people carrying guns at public gatherings is unfair.... and that is one of the reasons open carry is idiotic. FWIW, anyone who totes a gun around at a peaceful protest is an asshole IMO. I'm not saying it's fair this guy's photo was released in the media or anything, but I still think he's a jackass for feeling like bringing that gun to the rally (supposedly unloaded) was a good idea. Why do people do that?? I can only imagine it's done to intimidate. Lame. Gun culture strikes again.
I feel the same way. I was actually accused of being a racist on Facebook for suggesting the guy was an idiot for bringing an assault rifle to a peaceful protest. People are dumb.
You can get called a racist on here for far less. People call each other this far too quickly and this is part of the problem.
After being pulled over for a busted taillight on July 6, Philando Castile informed a Minnesota police officer at his window that he owned a gun and had a license to carry it. As he reached for his license and registration....
I stopped reading after that since we do not know that is what actually happened.
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After being pulled over for a busted taillight on July 6, Philando Castile informed a Minnesota police officer at his window that he owned a gun and had a license to carry it. As he reached for his license and registration....
I stopped reading after that since we do not know that is what actually happened.
Until all the facts come out, it's speculation. If that audio of the pull over is real, then they were not pulled for a broken taillight. Plus the GF stated he said he told the officer he had a permit and weapon, now she is saying she told the officer.
I'll wait until all the facts come out, before saying which side was right or wrong.
After being pulled over for a busted taillight on July 6, Philando Castile informed a Minnesota police officer at his window that he owned a gun and had a license to carry it. As he reached for his license and registration....
I stopped reading after that since we do not know that is what actually happened.
Until all the facts come out, it's speculation. If that audio of the pull over is real, then they were not pulled for a broken taillight. Plus the GF stated he said he told the officer he had a permit and weapon, now she is saying she told the officer.
I'll wait until all the facts come out, before saying which side was right or wrong.
That was my point.
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Good article - all seems like common sense.... that threatens the old boys club and the young brahs alike. It's always been hard to limit male dominance. The body cams seem like an absolute given to me. Any resistance to that appears to be just complete acknowledgment that a police force doesn't want to expose all the shit they're doing wrong.
Also agreed. Good sensible ideas in that article!
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Ah, yes. The same douchnozzle nazi who cheered after the Orlando tragedy. Why hasn't he been arrested yet?
Exactly he's in s position of power yet he spews hate and division nothing about his comments that say let's bring people together to work on getting to s good place , change should also be sponsored by people who hold government office !!!!
I've been watching this police chief in Dallas in these interviews and I am nothing but impressed with the way he's handles himself along with his personal story.
will myself to find a home, a home within myself we will find a way, we will find our place
I've been watching this police chief in Dallas in these interviews and I am nothing but impressed with the way he's handles himself along with his personal story.
Yup, he is a class act. And I hadn't even known of his history until this morning.
I've been watching this police chief in Dallas in these interviews and I am nothing but impressed with the way he's handles himself along with his personal story.
Absolutely!!!! What he said about the expectations (let the police handle it) of police officers in today's day in age is so spot on. I also love how he refers to his police officers as " his guys". That's a leader and a Boss any copper would respect and fight the good fight for.
The NRA and gun advocates have been running their mouths for years about people having guns to use in armed insurrection against tyrannical government, so where do they stand on this? The Bundy clan were the people's heroes and this guy is a villain...I wonder what the difference between them is? Why is BLM taking heat and the NRA, who specifically advocates potential violence against agents of the government (cops) gets off the hook on responsibility for someone who actually did what they preach?
I've been watching this police chief in Dallas in these interviews and I am nothing but impressed with the way he's handles himself along with his personal story.
Yup, he is a class act. And I hadn't even known of his history until this morning.
He's been through a lot personally and professionally since becoming chief. I think what happened with his son would have been more than most people could bear. He's faced plenty of criticism during his tenure but I really respect how he handles himself and his detractors. He's as far away from the good old boy type of law enforcement you can get. I admire him and the job he's doing in the midst of horrible events and nationwide attention.
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The NRA and gun advocates have been running their mouths for years about people having guns to use in armed insurrection against tyrannical government, so where do they stand on this? The Bundy clan were the people's heroes and this guy is a villain...I wonder what the difference between them is? Why is BLM taking heat and the NRA, who specifically advocates potential violence against agents of the government (cops) gets off the hook on responsibility for someone who actually did what they preach?
Damn good questions, Gambs!
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The NRA and gun advocates have been running their mouths for years about people having guns to use in armed insurrection against tyrannical government, so where do they stand on this? The Bundy clan were the people's heroes and this guy is a villain...I wonder what the difference between them is? Why is BLM taking heat and the NRA, who specifically advocates potential violence against agents of the government (cops) gets off the hook on responsibility for someone who actually did what they preach?
the nra has never advocated violence against agents of the government; especially cops. the nra released this statement after dallas: "On behalf of the more than five million members of the National Rifle Association, and especially on behalf of our members from the law enforcement community, I want to express the deep anguish all of us feel for the heroic Dallas law enforcement officers who were killed or wounded, as well as those who so bravely ran to danger to defend the city and people of Dallas, the statement said. "With heavy hearts, NRA members honor their heroism and offer our deepest condolences to their families."
The NRA and gun advocates have been running their mouths for years about people having guns to use in armed insurrection against tyrannical government, so where do they stand on this? The Bundy clan were the people's heroes and this guy is a villain...I wonder what the difference between them is? Why is BLM taking heat and the NRA, who specifically advocates potential violence against agents of the government (cops) gets off the hook on responsibility for someone who actually did what they preach?
These wouod be questions more for supporters of the NBA, aka random yokel gun nuts... of course, logic isn't too high a priority these days.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
The NRA and gun advocates have been running their mouths for years about people having guns to use in armed insurrection against tyrannical government, so where do they stand on this? The Bundy clan were the people's heroes and this guy is a villain...I wonder what the difference between them is? Why is BLM taking heat and the NRA, who specifically advocates potential violence against agents of the government (cops) gets off the hook on responsibility for someone who actually did what they preach?
These wouod be questions more for supporters of the NBA, aka random yokel gun nuts... of course, logic isn't too high a priority these days.
I've been watching this police chief in Dallas in these interviews and I am nothing but impressed with the way he's handles himself along with his personal story.
Absolutely!!!! What he said about the expectations (let the police handle it) of police officers in today's day in age is so spot on. I also love how he refers to his police officers as " his guys". That's a leader and a Boss any copper would respect and fight the good fight for.
I have read in multiple places that that is generally not the case with him though. He fires officers publicly, which the cops and union obviously have major problems with and he is at the front on progressive tactics and community relations.
There's something happening here What it is ain't exactly clear There's a man with a gun over there Telling me I got to beware
I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down
There's battle lines being drawn Nobody's right if everybody's wrong Young people speaking their minds Getting so much resistance from behind
It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down
What a field-day for the heat A thousand people in the street Singing songs and carrying signs Mostly say, hooray for our side
It's s time we stop, hey, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down
Paranoia strikes deep Into your life it will creep It starts when you're always afraid You step out of line, the man come and take you away
We better stop, hey, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down Stop, hey, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down Stop, now, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down Stop, children, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down
I've been watching this police chief in Dallas in these interviews and I am nothing but impressed with the way he's handles himself along with his personal story.
Absolutely!!!! What he said about the expectations (let the police handle it) of police officers in today's day in age is so spot on. I also love how he refers to his police officers as " his guys". That's a leader and a Boss any copper would respect and fight the good fight for.
I have read in multiple places that that is generally not the case with him though. He fires officers publicly, which the cops and union obviously have major problems with and he is at the front on progressive tactics and community relations.
If he cares about his officers, he worries for their integrity and public image and takes steps to improve these items so that the streets are less hostile as cops do their jobs.
I've been watching this police chief in Dallas in these interviews and I am nothing but impressed with the way he's handles himself along with his personal story.
Absolutely!!!! What he said about the expectations (let the police handle it) of police officers in today's day in age is so spot on. I also love how he refers to his police officers as " his guys". That's a leader and a Boss any copper would respect and fight the good fight for.
I have read in multiple places that that is generally not the case with him though. He fires officers publicly, which the cops and union obviously have major problems with and he is at the front on progressive tactics and community relations.
If he cares about his officers, he worries for their integrity and public image and takes steps to improve these items so that the streets are less hostile as cops do their jobs.
The good cops would likely embrace such support.
I don't disagree a little bit. I am just pointing out that historically I have read that he is not terribly respected by the rank and file. Police Unions have a lot of power to influence perception...
I've been watching this police chief in Dallas in these interviews and I am nothing but impressed with the way he's handles himself along with his personal story.
Absolutely!!!! What he said about the expectations (let the police handle it) of police officers in today's day in age is so spot on. I also love how he refers to his police officers as " his guys". That's a leader and a Boss any copper would respect and fight the good fight for.
I have read in multiple places that that is generally not the case with him though. He fires officers publicly, which the cops and union obviously have major problems with and he is at the front on progressive tactics and community relations.
If he cares about his officers, he worries for their integrity and public image and takes steps to improve these items so that the streets are less hostile as cops do their jobs.
The good cops would likely embrace such support.
I don't disagree a little bit. I am just pointing out that historically I have read that he is not terribly respected by the rank and file. Police Unions have a lot of power to influence perception...
And herein lies the problem with unions: never too concerned with its predominantly strong performers... mostly concerned with its weaker members.
I've been watching this police chief in Dallas in these interviews and I am nothing but impressed with the way he's handles himself along with his personal story.
Absolutely!!!! What he said about the expectations (let the police handle it) of police officers in today's day in age is so spot on. I also love how he refers to his police officers as " his guys". That's a leader and a Boss any copper would respect and fight the good fight for.
I have read in multiple places that that is generally not the case with him though. He fires officers publicly, which the cops and union obviously have major problems with and he is at the front on progressive tactics and community relations.
If he cares about his officers, he worries for their integrity and public image and takes steps to improve these items so that the streets are less hostile as cops do their jobs.
The good cops would likely embrace such support.
I don't disagree a little bit. I am just pointing out that historically I have read that he is not terribly respected by the rank and file. Police Unions have a lot of power to influence perception...
And herein lies the problem with unions: never too concerned with its predominantly strong performers... mostly concerned with its weaker members.
Agreed
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The NRA and gun advocates have been running their mouths for years about people having guns to use in armed insurrection against tyrannical government, so where do they stand on this? The Bundy clan were the people's heroes and this guy is a villain...I wonder what the difference between them is? Why is BLM taking heat and the NRA, who specifically advocates potential violence against agents of the government (cops) gets off the hook on responsibility for someone who actually did what they preach?
These wouod be questions more for supporters of the NBA, aka random yokel gun nuts... of course, logic isn't too high a priority these days.
pssst...PJ_Soul, I think you mean NRA...
No, SD, she had it right. National Bazooka Association!
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There's something happening here What it is ain't exactly clear There's a man with a gun over there Telling me I got to beware
I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down
There's battle lines being drawn Nobody's right if everybody's wrong Young people speaking their minds Getting so much resistance from behind
It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down
What a field-day for the heat A thousand people in the street Singing songs and carrying signs Mostly say, hooray for our side
It's s time we stop, hey, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down
Paranoia strikes deep Into your life it will creep It starts when you're always afraid You step out of line, the man come and take you away
We better stop, hey, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down Stop, hey, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down Stop, now, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down Stop, children, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down
Wow! Talk about deja vu. I remember those days like it was yesterday (Springfield played that song at my high school when I was on stage crew. That was just a few years ago, right?) And here we are going round and round in that circle game. When will it stop???
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Recent research has shown cities what works. For starters, hire more female police officers.
http://www.yesmagazine.org/people-power/cities-have-the-power-to-reduce-police-racism-and-violence
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
FWIW, anyone who totes a gun around at a peaceful protest is an asshole IMO. I'm not saying it's fair this guy's photo was released in the media or anything, but I still think he's a jackass for feeling like bringing that gun to the rally (supposedly unloaded) was a good idea. Why do people do that?? I can only imagine it's done to intimidate. Lame. Gun culture strikes again.
The body cams seem like an absolute given to me. Any resistance to that appears to be just complete acknowledgment that a police force doesn't want to expose all the shit they're doing wrong.
People call each other this far too quickly and this is part of the problem.
I stopped reading after that since we do not know that is what actually happened.
we will find a way, we will find our place
I'll wait until all the facts come out, before saying which side was right or wrong.
we will find a way, we will find our place
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
we will find a way, we will find our place
Why is BLM taking heat and the NRA, who specifically advocates potential violence against agents of the government (cops) gets off the hook on responsibility for someone who actually did what they preach?
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
the nra released this statement after dallas: "On behalf of the more than five million members of the National Rifle Association, and especially on behalf of our members from the law enforcement community, I want to express the deep anguish all of us feel for the heroic Dallas law enforcement officers who were killed or wounded, as well as those who so bravely ran to danger to defend the city and people of Dallas, the statement said. "With heavy hearts, NRA members honor their heroism and offer our deepest condolences to their families."
Is that how the Heat got their name?
What it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware
I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
Young people speaking their minds
Getting so much resistance from behind
It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
What a field-day for the heat
A thousand people in the street
Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly say, hooray for our side
It's s time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away
We better stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, now, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
The good cops would likely embrace such support.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"