This is not about gun control. This is the result of spreading hate about cops and calling it "open season" on blacks. With over 600,000 cops in our country there have been a very small number (2 or 3) of legitimate murders-the rest were killed when a perceived weapon was used, fighting back, died of a heart-attack while fighting back etc. And groups like BLW ignore all of the facts, spread lies about the situation and spread fear and hatred. More cops have been killed since Ferguson as a result of an ambush like this. Its not about guns, its about ALL lives matter. and this blood is on the hands of those self serving people like Jackson and Sharpton who benefit from this hate spreading and promote this hatred. Comments like the ones on other threads such as "its open season on blacks" and "if you're black and sell CD's you get killed" are just stupid. They endorse this behavior, and then you wonder why some cops over react? Because you help spread that fear into them.
Blame the guns all you want in America ... its quite simple America has a violence problem that is out of control ... and is there any turning back? I doubt it...
This is true.
But with this in mind... how much sense does it make to provide the means to administer violence so easily?
The gun violence the US experiences today is the failure of the last generation of law makers and society. The gun violence the current group of US children will experience as adults will mark the failure of the current generation to make meaningful change.
Because I think many of these same people would be violent no matter what weapon they use ... ban knives then, they are far easier to use than a gun, far easier to conceal and can be purchased everywhere, how bout the hammer ...
The US is a violent country, the reaction to a violent incident in the US always seems to be with more violence right from the very top down to states that use the death penalty as their first reaction to what just happened in Dallas. Now I do agree that banning guns might prevent some tragedys ... but in the US guns are readily available through the black market just as drugs are.
I do also believe that other problems exist for sure that causes this violence, I would say lack of education, poverty and lack of real meaningful jobs contribute.
Post edited by lukin2006 on
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
This is not about gun control. This is the result of spreading hate about cops and calling it "open season" on blacks. With over 600,000 cops in our country there have been a very small number (2 or 3) of legitimate murders-the rest were killed when a perceived weapon was used, fighting back, died of a heart-attack while fighting back etc. And groups like BLW ignore all of the facts, spread lies about the situation and spread fear and hatred. More cops have been killed since Ferguson as a result of an ambush like this. Its not about guns, its about ALL lives matter. and this blood is on the hands of those self serving people like Jackson and Sharpton who benefit from this hate spreading and promote this hatred. Comments like the ones on other threads such as "its open season on blacks" and "if you're black and sell CD's you get killed" are just stupid. They endorse this behavior, and then you wonder why some cops over react? Because you help spread that fear into them.
agree 100%. the few incidents are over sensationalized by the media and some people while ignoring all the other violence that is killing black males at much higher rates. i think when something like this happens the media has some culpability.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Blame the guns all you want in America ... its quite simple America has a violence problem that is out of control ... and is there any turning back? I doubt it...
This is true.
But with this in mind... how much sense does it make to provide the means to administer violence so easily?
The gun violence the US experiences today is the failure of the last generation of law makers and society. The gun violence the current group of US children will experience as adults will mark the failure of the current generation to make meaningful change.
Because I think many of these same people would be violent no matter what weapon they use ... ban knives then, they are far easier to use than a gun, far easier to conceal and can be purchased everywhere, how bout the hammer ...
The US is a violent country, the reaction to a violent incident in the US always seems to be with more violence right from the very top down to states that use the death penalty as their first reaction to what just happened in Dallas. Now I do agree that banning guns might prevent some tragedys ... but in the US guns are readily available through the black market just as drugs are.
I do also believe that other problems exist for sure that causes this violence, I would say lack of education, poverty and lack of real meaningful jobs contribute.
Excuse me....someone running toward a cop with a knife or hammer is no where near the threat of someone with an AR-15 taking cover behind a concrete pillar.
Don't even try to make that comparison.
This incident was a perfect example of what can go wrong with open carry and lax gun laws.
Without open carry laws the police know immediately who the suspect is. With open carry they have no idea. It's ridiculous.
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018) The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
Blame the guns all you want in America ... its quite simple America has a violence problem that is out of control ... and is there any turning back? I doubt it...
This is true.
But with this in mind... how much sense does it make to provide the means to administer violence so easily?
The gun violence the US experiences today is the failure of the last generation of law makers and society. The gun violence the current group of US children will experience as adults will mark the failure of the current generation to make meaningful change.
Because I think many of these same people would be violent no matter what weapon they use ... ban knives then, they are far easier to use than a gun, far easier to conceal and can be purchased everywhere, how bout the hammer ...
The US is a violent country, the reaction to a violent incident in the US always seems to be with more violence right from the very top down to states that use the death penalty as their first reaction to what just happened in Dallas. Now I do agree that banning guns might prevent some tragedys ... but in the US guns are readily available through the black market just as drugs are.
I do also believe that other problems exist for sure that causes this violence, I would say lack of education, poverty and lack of real meaningful jobs contribute.
Excuse me....someone running toward a cop with a knife or hammer is no where near the threat of someone with an AR-15 taking cover behind a concrete pillar.
Don't even try to make that comparison.
This incident was a perfect example of what can go wrong with open carry and lax gun laws.
Without open carry laws the police know immediately who the suspect is. With open carry they have no idea. It's ridiculous.
Yeah, that one dude that was a person of interest and had his picture on the news for a couple hours probably regrets carrying around a rifle for the hell of it. I assume based on the news last night he ended up not being part of the attack.
It is ridiculous that you can just carry a rifle around wherever you want.
Blame the guns all you want in America ... its quite simple America has a violence problem that is out of control ... and is there any turning back? I doubt it...
This is true.
But with this in mind... how much sense does it make to provide the means to administer violence so easily?
The gun violence the US experiences today is the failure of the last generation of law makers and society. The gun violence the current group of US children will experience as adults will mark the failure of the current generation to make meaningful change.
Because I think many of these same people would be violent no matter what weapon they use ... ban knives then, they are far easier to use than a gun, far easier to conceal and can be purchased everywhere, how bout the hammer ...
The US is a violent country, the reaction to a violent incident in the US always seems to be with more violence right from the very top down to states that use the death penalty as their first reaction to what just happened in Dallas. Now I do agree that banning guns might prevent some tragedys ... but in the US guns are readily available through the black market just as drugs are.
I do also believe that other problems exist for sure that causes this violence, I would say lack of education, poverty and lack of real meaningful jobs contribute.
Excuse me....someone running toward a cop with a knife or hammer is no where near the threat of someone with an AR-15 taking cover behind a concrete pillar.
Don't even try to make that comparison.
This incident was a perfect example of what can go wrong with open carry and lax gun laws.
Without open carry laws the police know immediately who the suspect is. With open carry they have no idea. It's ridiculous.
Yeah, that one dude that was a person of interest and had his picture on the news for a couple hours probably regrets carrying around a rifle for the hell of it. I assume based on the news last night he ended up not being part of the attack.
It is ridiculous that you can just carry a rifle around wherever you want.
That idiot did not understand that there are still consequences for exercising your rights, much like happens when people are baffled after there are consequences when saying dumb shit in exercising their first amendment rights. Just because you have the rights does not mean you will not suffer consequences for your idiocy while exercising those rights.
The police are also not used to defending themselves against shooters with these types of weapons on a daily basis ! Guns yes not what was used last night !
Yes, and one was shot. Who ever did this could care less if any protesters were shot or not. Seems like they had an agenda and nothing was getting in their way. But, the principle targets were the cops.
I haven't seen a single mention of any protestors getting shot..... Not saying it's not true, I just would have thought that it would be something the media would mention quite prominently.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I watched CNN up until about 3 in the morning eastern, and several commentators called it terrorism. Former law enforcement, civil rights activists -- none of them hesitated to call it that.
If the shooters had a political agenda, then it's terrorism. That's how I see it.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
0
brianlux
Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,341
How absolutely fucked up terrible it is that these officers had to get killed before (or maybe even...) some laws about what types of guns are legal and where and when a person can carry certain weapons. We're not even talking all out gun ban here. We haven't even reached the first stage of common sense in some parts. Ridiculously bad shit.
Surely you jest. Any outcry for gun reform will be quickly swept under the rug as it always is and there will probably be a surge in gun sales in Texas today. Get 'em while you can. Tens of thousands of Americans die due to gun violence every year yet your government stays silent. Why would anything change today?
Sadly, I do not jest, blueandwhite and even more sadly, you're right, gun sales always go up when crazy shit happens. Quite likely, nothing will change.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Obviously, cops' lives matter too, and other lives. No shit, everyone knows that. But being against the real idea behind BLM is what's ridiculous. I fully acknowledge that some more radical BLM supporters go about making their point in the wrong way (and then there are fanaticial freaks like the one(s) last night in Dallas, which I automatically don't even consider to be part of the BLM movement whether they end up mentioning it or not), but that doesn't change the fact that BLM makes a legitimate point generally.
Post edited by PJ_Soul on
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
0
brianlux
Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,341
Yes, and one was shot. Who ever did this could care less if any protesters were shot or not. Seems like they had an agenda and nothing was getting in their way. But, the principle targets were the cops.
I haven't seen a single mention of any protestors getting shot..... Not saying it's not true, I just would have thought that it would be something the media would mention quite prominently.
I've seen a few mentions throughout my watching and reading.
,after what happen in dallas,finally i understand the purpose behind the Second Amendmen is for killing eachother ,police-citixens,with no reason.. now all make sence
The people that did this are getting EXACTLY what they wanted, to DIVIDE all of us.
It's happening. Just put your politics aside for a second and think about that.
i dont have any pilitical agenda,im a citizen of a country thaqt gall guns are banned people who did this have guns cos its their right to own them, and they think its their right to protect them selfs from tyrany,so,,lets kill some cops,,we fight gor our rights!! again"make sence" now.. people killing eachother for no reason ill tell u that..people likes to kill and the Second Amendmen works just fine for them cos legaly can own a fuckin gun and they can use it to "protect" themselfs
You can't tell someone how or what to believe. Period. And carrying a gun does not make you a whack Job.. It makes us citizens prepared to defend our lives, ( or as I train for ) the lives of those around them, or their property and home. When those that carry misuse that freedom they blame all of us. THAT is whack. Until two years ago, I carried everywhere. I have an open AND concealed carry permit. But now with the nuerapathy, I keep the pistol jn my car, or I just don't carry at all. ( I still train for my carries because muscle Memory is key to reaction). It boils down to this: Freedoms and free will can be a toxic combination. The GUN didn't kill anyone. The gun fired a bullet. As it was designed and intended to do. The PERSON HOLDING said weapon killed people. Period.
yeah,.,.and if u dont have a gun,,you just cant shoot anyone..all safe.. ban the fuckin guns..dont u gius see that u have the most killings on the fuckin planet??? cant u see thatr so many countires of the west ban the guns and dont kill eachothers like dogs on the streets??cant u see that simple things??
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
,after what happen in dallas,finally i understand the purpose behind the Second Amendmen is for killing eachother ,police-citixens,with no reason.. now all make sence
The people that did this are getting EXACTLY what they wanted, to DIVIDE all of us.
It's happening. Just put your politics aside for a second and think about that.
i dont have any pilitical agenda,im a citizen of a country thaqt gall guns are banned people who did this have guns cos its their right to own them, and they think its their right to protect them selfs from tyrany,so,,lets kill some cops,,we fight gor our rights!! again"make sence" now.. people killing eachother for no reason ill tell u that..people likes to kill and the Second Amendmen works just fine for them cos legaly can own a fuckin gun and they can use it to "protect" themselfs
You can't tell someone how or what to believe. Period. And carrying a gun does not make you a whack Job.. It makes us citizens prepared to defend our lives, ( or as I train for ) the lives of those around them, or their property and home. When those that carry misuse that freedom they blame all of us. THAT is whack. Until two years ago, I carried everywhere. I have an open AND concealed carry permit. But now with the nuerapathy, I keep the pistol jn my car, or I just don't carry at all. ( I still train for my carries because muscle Memory is key to reaction). It boils down to this: Freedoms and free will can be a toxic combination. The GUN didn't kill anyone. The gun fired a bullet. As it was designed and intended to do. The PERSON HOLDING said weapon killed people. Period.
,after what happen in dallas,finally i understand the purpose behind the Second Amendmen is for killing eachother ,police-citixens,with no reason.. now all make sence
The people that did this are getting EXACTLY what they wanted, to DIVIDE all of us.
It's happening. Just put your politics aside for a second and think about that.
i dont have any pilitical agenda,im a citizen of a country thaqt gall guns are banned people who did this have guns cos its their right to own them, and they think its their right to protect them selfs from tyrany,so,,lets kill some cops,,we fight gor our rights!! again"make sence" now.. people killing eachother for no reason ill tell u that..people likes to kill and the Second Amendmen works just fine for them cos legaly can own a fuckin gun and they can use it to "protect" themselfs
You can't tell someone how or what to believe. Period. And carrying a gun does not make you a whack Job.. It makes us citizens prepared to defend our lives, ( or as I train for ) the lives of those around them, or their property and home. When those that carry misuse that freedom they blame all of us. THAT is whack. Until two years ago, I carried everywhere. I have an open AND concealed carry permit. But now with the nuerapathy, I keep the pistol jn my car, or I just don't carry at all. ( I still train for my carries because muscle Memory is key to reaction). It boils down to this: Freedoms and free will can be a toxic combination. The GUN didn't kill anyone. The gun fired a bullet. As it was designed and intended to do. The PERSON HOLDING said weapon killed people. Period.
yeah,.,.and if u dont have a gun,,you just cant shoot anyone..all safe.. ban the fuckin guns..dont u gius see that u have the most killings on the fuckin planet??? cant u see thatr so many countires of the west ban the guns and dont kill eachothers like dogs on the streets??cant u see that simple things??
‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens.
Yes, and one was shot. Who ever did this could care less if any protesters were shot or not. Seems like they had an agenda and nothing was getting in their way. But, the principle targets were the cops.
I haven't seen a single mention of any protestors getting shot..... Not saying it's not true, I just would have thought that it would be something the media would mention quite prominently.
I've seen a few mentions throughout my watching and reading.
I imagine the media is more focused right now on the acts committed, the intent, and the lives lost.
the media shares some responsibility in this...I know here locally the Fox affiliate fans the flames every damn day about race
the shooter was pissed about white offers but the incident in Minnesota the officer was Asian and then there was another case where a white kid was shot by white cops while laying on the damn ground and that got damn near zero coverage
I mean seriously can people not see thru the bullshit agenda?? divide and conquer
Obviously, cops' lives matter too, and other lives. No shit, everyone knows that. But being against the real idea behind BLM is what's ridiculous. I fully acknowledge that some more radical BLM supporters go about making their point in the wrong way (and then there are fanaticial freaks like the one(s) last night in Dallas, which I automatically don't even consider to be part of the BLM movement whether they end up mentioning it or not), but that doesn't change the fact that BLM makes a legitimate point generally.
So now you're putting words in my mouth that were never intended that I'm against BLM. Seriously?? WTF. You don't know me. Stop being so condescending with your comments.
I have always seen it as people accusing COPS for not treating black people justly (in certain communities/cities). Not white cops. I don't feel like the media has made it about just white cops. I feel like the consumers of the media just make that assumption all by themselves.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Yes, and one was shot. Who ever did this could care less if any protesters were shot or not. Seems like they had an agenda and nothing was getting in their way. But, the principle targets were the cops.
I haven't seen a single mention of any protestors getting shot..... Not saying it's not true, I just would have thought that it would be something the media would mention quite prominently.
I've seen a few mentions throughout my watching and reading.
I imagine the media is more focused right now on the acts committed, the intent, and the lives lost.
the media shares some responsibility in this...I know here locally the Fox affiliate fans the flames every damn day about race
the shooter was pissed about white offers but the incident in Minnesota the officer was Asian and then there was another case where a white kid was shot by white cops while laying on the damn ground and that got damn near zero coverage
I mean seriously can people not see thru the bullshit agenda?? divide and conquer
I posted about that case in Fresno about that white unarmed 19 year old shot 4 separate times while lying on the ground. ALL lives matter.....I posted in the Police Abuse thread.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
right now st. louis - Just minutes after Loretta Lynch urged "actions" with regard the divisions in America, FOX2NOW reports a manhunt underway for the shooter of a police officer in West St. Louis County. The officer was wounded three times in the neck after a routin traffic stop for speeding by an African-American male.
Comments
With over 600,000 cops in our country there have been a very small number (2 or 3) of legitimate murders-the rest were killed when a perceived weapon was used, fighting back, died of a heart-attack while fighting back etc. And groups like BLW ignore all of the facts, spread lies about the situation and spread fear and hatred. More cops have been killed since Ferguson as a result of an ambush like this.
Its not about guns, its about ALL lives matter. and this blood is on the hands of those self serving people like Jackson and Sharpton who benefit from this hate spreading and promote this hatred.
Comments like the ones on other threads such as "its open season on blacks" and "if you're black and sell CD's you get killed" are just stupid. They endorse this behavior, and then you wonder why some cops over react? Because you help spread that fear into them.
The US is a violent country, the reaction to a violent incident in the US always seems to be with more violence right from the very top down to states that use the death penalty as their first reaction to what just happened in Dallas. Now I do agree that banning guns might prevent some tragedys ... but in the US guns are readily available through the black market just as drugs are.
I do also believe that other problems exist for sure that causes this violence, I would say lack of education, poverty and lack of real meaningful jobs contribute.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Don't even try to make that comparison.
This incident was a perfect example of what can go wrong with open carry and lax gun laws.
Without open carry laws the police know immediately who the suspect is. With open carry they have no idea. It's ridiculous.
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
It is ridiculous that you can just carry a rifle around wherever you want.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Just sayin'.
Obviously, cops' lives matter too, and other lives. No shit, everyone knows that. But being against the real idea behind BLM is what's ridiculous. I fully acknowledge that some more radical BLM supporters go about making their point in the wrong way (and then there are fanaticial freaks like the one(s) last night in Dallas, which I automatically don't even consider to be part of the BLM movement whether they end up mentioning it or not), but that doesn't change the fact that BLM makes a legitimate point generally.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/five-police-officers-killed-in-dallas-seven-others-injured-during-shooting-at-protest/ar-BBu5IC9?li=BBnb7Kz
I imagine the media is more focused right now on the acts committed, the intent, and the lives lost.
ban the fuckin guns..dont u gius see that u have the most killings on the fuckin planet???
cant u see thatr so many countires of the west ban the guns and dont kill eachothers like dogs on the streets??cant u see that simple things??
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
http://www.theonion.com/article/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-36131
http://usuncut.com/black-lives-matter/black-lives-matter-protesters-dallas/
the shooter was pissed about white offers but the incident in Minnesota the officer was Asian and then there was another case where a white kid was shot by white cops while laying on the damn ground and that got damn near zero coverage
I mean seriously can people not see thru the bullshit agenda?? divide and conquer
All that I once held as true
I stand alone without beliefs
The only truth I know is you.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
True, but guns sure make it a lot easier to kill a lot of people as quickly and efficiently as possible.
2003: 4/29 Albany, 5/2 Buffalo, 7/9 MSG 2 2006: 5/12 Albany, 6/3 East Rutherford 2
2008: 6/27 Hartford 2009: 10/27 Philadelphia 1 2010: 5/15 Hartford, 5/21 MSG 2
2013: 10/15 Worcester 1, 10/25 Hartford 2014: 10/1 Cincinnati
2018: 9/2 Fenway 1
2024: 9/3 MSG 1, 9/4 MSG 2 , 9/15 Fenway 1, 9/17 Fenway 2
SHOW COUNT: (164) 1990's=3, 2000's=53, 2010/20's=108, US=118, CAN=15, Europe=20 ,New Zealand=4, Australia=5
Mexico=1, Colombia=1
All that I once held as true
I stand alone without beliefs
The only truth I know is you.