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Get_Right said:HesCalledDyer said:Get_Right said:Banjo said:Get_Right said:Lets not kid ourselves. The $20 is for the right to have a chance at 10C tickets. The rest is just gravy.
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HesCalledDyer said:Get_Right said:HesCalledDyer said:Get_Right said:Banjo said:Get_Right said:Lets not kid ourselves. The $20 is for the right to have a chance at 10C tickets. The rest is just gravy.6/26/98, 8/17/00, 10/8/00, 12/8/02, 12/9/02, 4/25/03, 5/28/03, 6/1/03, 6/3/03, 6/5/03, 6/6/03, 6/12/03, 6/13/03, 6/15/03, 6/18/03, 6/21/03, 6/22/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03, 10/3/04, 10/5/04, 9/9/05, 9/11/05, 9/16/05, 5/16/06, 5/17/06, 5/19/06, 6/30/06, 7/23/06, 8/5/07, 6/30/08, 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 5/4/10, 5/7/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/11/13, 10/17/14, 8/20/160
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Enough of the bitching.... how does the cover sound???0
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Its the band's complacency not mine. So now you know and its buyer beware.0
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NewJPage said:Why are some rabidly insistent on defending this whole process? I mean, I am not overly bent out of shape on it, and do, to a degree, still give 10club the benefit of the doubt when it comes to clarification/rectifying/etc...But the defense or excuse making is pretty ridiculous
Many of us are also aware of the logistic difficulties of sending out the single in the calendar year during which membership is purchased. If they were to send out the 2016 vinyl in, say, summer 2016, what about all those who purchase it later in the year? Since it's impossible to determine how many people will sign up at any given time, that would require either constant pressing of new records OR playing the estimation game, each of which would raise production costs. Bottom line is that it is almost necessary for the 2016 single to be pressed and sent out in 2017, which is exactly what has happened.
Sure it would be nice to get it earlier than December, but at the end of the day, you're getting what you were promised. If you don't like having to wait until the following calendar year, don't pay for it. I just don't see why everyone is so up in arms about getting the record now. Would it have sounded any better in January or June? Does an extra handful of months without these two songs really create such a void that they decrease your quality of life in some way?
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Have to disagree with that second part. I think the amount of TC members year to year is pretty consistent, so it's probably easier than you think to determine how many vinyl singles to press.
Also if I'm paying for a yearly membership, I think it's reasonable to expect the benefits paid for in that year to arrive in that calendar year. Of course nothing's promised as when stuff will arrive as part of paying for a membership, but the lack of communication by the people running the TC is the frustrating part. The fact that I'm the 100th person to bring this up non-withstanding,Target Center - Jun 30, 1998
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walkunafraid said:NewJPage said:Why are some rabidly insistent on defending this whole process? I mean, I am not overly bent out of shape on it, and do, to a degree, still give 10club the benefit of the doubt when it comes to clarification/rectifying/etc...But the defense or excuse making is pretty ridiculous
Many of us are also aware of the logistic difficulties of sending out the single in the calendar year during which membership is purchased. If they were to send out the 2016 vinyl in, say, summer 2016, what about all those who purchase it later in the year? Since it's impossible to determine how many people will sign up at any given time, that would require either constant pressing of new records OR playing the estimation game, each of which would raise production costs. Bottom line is that it is almost necessary for the 2016 single to be pressed and sent out in 2017, which is exactly what has happened.
Sure it would be nice to get it earlier than December, but at the end of the day, you're getting what you were promised. If you don't like having to wait until the following calendar year, don't pay for it. I just don't see why everyone is so up in arms about getting the record now. Would it have sounded any better in January or June? Does an extra handful of months without these two songs really create such a void that they decrease your quality of life in some way?
But that is secondary to your first premise that 10c has done nothing wrong. Of course they have. The biggest complaint is not that the single didn't arrive, it is that there is rarely communication about it. People have been conditioned to expect the single to arrive early to mid-year, and when the end of the year arrives with only rare and generic responses, people ask questions. All of this could have been obviated in Jan, Feb or March of this year with some communication."I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/080 -
moozeekfan said:Have to disagree with that second part. I think the amount of TC members year to year is pretty consistent, so it's probably easier than you think to determine how many vinyl singles to press.
Also if I'm paying for a yearly membership, I think it's reasonable to expect the benefits paid for in that year to arrive in that calendar year. Of course nothing's promised as when stuff will arrive as part of paying for a membership, but the lack of communication by the people running the TC is the frustrating part. The fact that I'm the 100th person to bring this up non-withstanding,
Yes, you're paying for a yearly membership with all conditions and benefits laid out for you in plain sight - including the one that states that you'll receive an annual single without a promised time frame. If you had purchased your membership in late December 2016, it would be illogical to assume that you'd get your single in that calendar year. Simply put, with the same vinyl being distributed to each member whether they sign up on January 1st or December 31st of a given calendar year, the expectations to press and distribute the single within your wished-for timeframe doesn't take into consideration the logistical difficulties of doing so. I would expect communication from TC if they had to make an exception or break a promise, but that isn't happening here. They are fulfilling what people have signed up and paid for, and again, if you're not happy with what you're getting, you should simply stop paying for it (as is true for any non-essential product you consume).Everything has chains...Absolutely nothing's changed. - PJ
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my2hands said:Enough of the bitching.... how does the cover sound???0
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my2hands said:Enough of the bitching.... how does the cover sound???
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walkunafraid said:moozeekfan said:Have to disagree with that second part. I think the amount of TC members year to year is pretty consistent, so it's probably easier than you think to determine how many vinyl singles to press.
Also if I'm paying for a yearly membership, I think it's reasonable to expect the benefits paid for in that year to arrive in that calendar year. Of course nothing's promised as when stuff will arrive as part of paying for a membership, but the lack of communication by the people running the TC is the frustrating part. The fact that I'm the 100th person to bring this up non-withstanding,
Yes, you're paying for a yearly membership with all conditions and benefits laid out for you in plain sight - including the one that states that you'll receive an annual single without a promised time frame. If you had purchased your membership in late December 2016, it would be illogical to assume that you'd get your single in that calendar year. Simply put, with the same vinyl being distributed to each member whether they sign up on January 1st or December 31st of a given calendar year, the expectations to press and distribute the single within your wished-for timeframe doesn't take into consideration the logistical difficulties of doing so. I would expect communication from TC if they had to make an exception or break a promise, but that isn't happening here. They are fulfilling what people have signed up and paid for, and again, if you're not happy with what you're getting, you should simply stop paying for it (as is true for any non-essential product you consume).
I 100% agree with you there are people who just want tickets and will come and go from here, but those folks are not as likely to spend $40 on the vinyl single when they can spend the $20 and get the same thing they ultimately want. (Don't you have to be an active member for a certain amount of time before the ticket lottery happens also?). Also, where are all these fans coming from that would swing membership totals widely from year to year? Membership totals may go up by a few thousand people each time a tour announcement is made, but like I said, those people are going digital for the most part.
You get to a certain point in a band's career and you can absolutely predict how many tickets can be sold in each venue for a particular city based on previous years, how many T-shirts to print up to sell at the show based on previous years, how many copies of your new album will sell in a year based on previous album sales, and how many vinyl records to press up for people in your fanclub based on the amount of paid members. It's just logic and math, not speculation. Anyone who's even remotely decent at operating a business will figure this out.
My membership is actually in mid-December each year, and I still remember a time I received the vinyl single with my other membership items from the TC around that same time, so yes, it can happen, Actually, it should be easier logistically given the advances in technology since 1997, but I digress.Target Center - Jun 30, 1998
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walkunafraid said:FR181798 said:H.Chinaski said:walkunafraid said:H.Chinaski said:Glad to see that something is arriving for folks. But tbh it seems like a couple of throwaway tracks...FR181798 said:Its hilarious that 10c were bigging this up saying it would be worth the wait.
Some people will never be happy, I swear...
I can picture the band choosing these tracks, feeling like they're sharing something intimate and unique with fans from their biggest honor as musicians (which would also explain why these didn't come out earlier, as the R&R HOF induction wasn't until April), excited for the reaction of a fan base that tends to covet unheard / behind-the-scenes / special guest type treats, only to have people shit on their choices because they aren't "special" enough. Honestly, it makes me a little sad.0 -
So........ how's it sound?0
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Pingfah said:ski-bum said:You people should thank god your not starving to death somewhere.
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When did we pay for something we didn't get?
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I was kinda wondering if maybe the 2016 single was to be something TOTD related, and with the Chris tragedy, maybe personal and/or legal issues prevented that release, and so we got the 2017 single instead? Pure speculation but perhaps a possibility...
No point in crucifying the band for failing to explain their business decisions. We simply don’t know what went on...0 -
Haven’t read any of the latest complaints... anyone blamed trump yet?I'm like an opening band for your mom.0
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moozeekfan said:THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!!!
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We received the 2016 single before the end of 2017, which is how it is supposed to work... and yes, it was recorded in 2017, but who cares?
I think someone nailed it with TOTD... makes a lot of sense... I sure hope the TOTD 2016 tour ends up seeing the light of day for everyone to enjoy, it was fucking amazing to be at the 1st show in phillyPost edited by my2hands on0 -
my2hands said:So........ how's it sound?"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/080
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Looking forward to hearing the Chuck Berry song. Think he had passed right before rehearsals began, so it's a nice tribute, and something I haven't heard them do before.0
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Arent we behind on some shirts too? the last one I got was the black one with the tan/yellow ten club logo. Wasnt that 2015s or was that the red analog one?2023 Austin 1 & 2
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GetRight13 said:Arent we behind on some shirts too? the last one I got was the black one with the tan/yellow ten club logo. Wasnt that 2015s or was that the red analog one?
You have to use your item code. The shirt you're describing was 2016. The red analog shirt & luggage tags was 2015.
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I just received my 2017 shirt today. Only 2 weeks since I subscribed so well done 10c. First time I ever received a t shirt in the correct year and international as well. Would love if we just got to choose a shirt from the shop.0
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FR181798 said:I just received my 2017 shirt today. Only 2 weeks since I subscribed so well done 10c. First time I ever received a t shirt in the correct year and international as well. Would love if we just got to choose a shirt from the shop.The world is strained as it is, it's not in need of shirts people will just throw into the closet.(And yes I know people with say "I LOVE THE DEEP TSHIRT - ITS THE BEST EVER")But I guess they want to "sell" the brand Tenclub. But still. A unique pearl jam shirt for members would be ace.Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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