Terrorist Shooting In Orlando, FL

InHiding80

dignin said:

BS44325 said:

dignin said:

mcgruff10 said:

hedonist said:

Even with a metal detector, at that point, I'm not sure what good it would have done.

My heart goes out to those people who were fucking ambushed, and those mourning them this morning.

from what I've read an officer engaged him outside the club; the shooter then went into the club.
what the hell kind of device did he have? are there know suicide bombers active in the u.s.?! fuck

Early reports are calling that "device" an assault weapon.

Early reports also list Omar Mir Seddique Mateen as a registered Democrat.

Was it the democrat membership that allowed him to murder 50 plus people?

Assault weapon defenders have blood on their hands again today.

Florida is a red state so that no true Scotsman argument of this only happening in democrat run areas can stop right now.

BS44325

Spiritual_Chaos said:

BS44325 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

BS44325 said:

Shooter pledged allegiance to ISIS apparently

https://twitter.com/damianpaletta/status/742019782812241920

First ISIS-related terrorist act in the US then?

Uhhhh...no.

?

There have been 4 in the US.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/06/17/world/middleeast/map-isis-attacks-around-the-world.html?_r=0

Click on link and search by region.

mrussel1

InHiding80 said:

dignin said:

BS44325 said:

dignin said:

mcgruff10 said:

hedonist said:

Even with a metal detector, at that point, I'm not sure what good it would have done.

My heart goes out to those people who were fucking ambushed, and those mourning them this morning.

from what I've read an officer engaged him outside the club; the shooter then went into the club.
what the hell kind of device did he have? are there know suicide bombers active in the u.s.?! fuck

Early reports are calling that "device" an assault weapon.

Early reports also list Omar Mir Seddique Mateen as a registered Democrat.

Was it the democrat membership that allowed him to murder 50 plus people?

Assault weapon defenders have blood on their hands again today.

Florida is a red state so that no true Scotsman argument of this only happening in democrat run areas can stop right now.

FL went to Obama twice. But they have a red gov and congress. It's the most bizarre state in the union, and it's not even close.

Spiritual_Chaos

BS44325 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

BS44325 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

BS44325 said:

Shooter pledged allegiance to ISIS apparently

https://twitter.com/damianpaletta/status/742019782812241920

First ISIS-related terrorist act in the US then?

Uhhhh...no.

?

There have been 4 in the US.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/06/17/world/middleeast/map-isis-attacks-around-the-world.html?_r=0

Click on link and search by region.

Thx!

BS44325

mrussel1 said:

InHiding80 said:

dignin said:

BS44325 said:

dignin said:

mcgruff10 said:

hedonist said:

Even with a metal detector, at that point, I'm not sure what good it would have done.

My heart goes out to those people who were fucking ambushed, and those mourning them this morning.

from what I've read an officer engaged him outside the club; the shooter then went into the club.
what the hell kind of device did he have? are there know suicide bombers active in the u.s.?! fuck

Early reports are calling that "device" an assault weapon.

Early reports also list Omar Mir Seddique Mateen as a registered Democrat.

Was it the democrat membership that allowed him to murder 50 plus people?

Assault weapon defenders have blood on their hands again today.

Florida is a red state so that no true Scotsman argument of this only happening in democrat run areas can stop right now.

FL went to Obama twice. But they have a red gov and congress. It's the most bizarre state in the union, and it's not even close.

For sure and nobody is making the argument that Islamists will only attack democrat run areas. I will make the argument however that they will research/plan and try to attack soft targets of ideological value.

rgambs

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

InHiding80 said:

dignin said:

BS44325 said:

dignin said:

mcgruff10 said:

hedonist said:

Even with a metal detector, at that point, I'm not sure what good it would have done.

My heart goes out to those people who were fucking ambushed, and those mourning them this morning.

from what I've read an officer engaged him outside the club; the shooter then went into the club.
what the hell kind of device did he have? are there know suicide bombers active in the u.s.?! fuck

Early reports are calling that "device" an assault weapon.

Early reports also list Omar Mir Seddique Mateen as a registered Democrat.

Was it the democrat membership that allowed him to murder 50 plus people?

Assault weapon defenders have blood on their hands again today.

Florida is a red state so that no true Scotsman argument of this only happening in democrat run areas can stop right now.

FL went to Obama twice. But they have a red gov and congress. It's the most bizarre state in the union, and it's not even close.

For sure and nobody is making the argument that Islamists will only attack democrat run areas. I will make the argument however that they will research/plan and try to attack soft targets of ideological value.

Of course, that is one of the requirements for it to be classified as terrorism. I wonder what Dylan Roof is thinking right now, he was set to be big news this week but now he is a back burner story.

BS44325

An interesting summary here and a must watch video of an Imam's speech to a section of the Orlando Islamic community with specific words on gay people.

https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/2016/06/12/orlando-night-club-attack-by-known-wolf-terrorist-previously-investigated-by-fbi/

That is what real incitement looks like.

Edit...Video added

https://youtu.be/qBlwxqqAprQ

Spiritual_Chaos

Obama soon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wCQDVdPq3I

BS44325

Arrest in LA today. No word as to whether this has any relation at all. Could be completed coincidence.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-gay-pride-la-weapons-20160612-snap-story.html

hedonist

It's a huge deal here, very close to home. Parade up the road is to start right about now.

May all keep safe.

eeriepadave

fucking horrible situation. Thoughts and prayers with all those that were effected by it.

Pride fest this weekend all over the country.

rgambs

I'm disappointed in Obama's statement, why make someone like Trump right by failing to identify the terrorist as Islamic when it is obviously the case. I understand why they don't like to use the term "radical Islamic terrorist", but why add fuel to the fire?

BS44325

rgambs said:

I'm disappointed in Obama's statement, why make someone like Trump right by failing to identify the terrorist as Islamic when it is obviously the case. I understand why they don't like to use the term "radical Islamic terrorist", but why add fuel to the fire?

Agreed but the unfortunate reason is that Obama buys into the narrative as outlined by the "aggrieved Islamic community"... i.e. This is due to American foreign policy, it's due to Israel, it's due to Guantanmo, it's due to general cultural insensitivity etc. and if only we treat the Islamic community with more respect it will all go away. Well I am sorry Mr. President but none of these have anything to do with it. Radical Islamist hate gays and as per the video of the Iranian imam's speech above believe that it is compassionate and righteous to murder them.

Go Beavers

It's because of the language used around terrorism, and Obama's smart enough to see how the term "Islamic terrorist" is used to manipulate and incite fear, and therefore move with misguided policies, e.g. banning Muslims from entering the country until we get this sorted out. When we start hearing the term "Christian terrorists", I suppose it makes sense to start saying "Muslim terrorists". They aren't acting from their religion, whether they claim to be Christian or Muslim.

rgambs

Go Beavers said:

It's because of the language used around terrorism, and Obama's smart enough to see how the term "Islamic terrorist" is used to manipulate and incite fear, and therefore move with misguided policies, e.g. banning Muslims from entering the country until we get this sorted out. When we start hearing the term "Christian terrorists", I suppose it makes sense to start saying "Muslim terrorists". They aren't acting from their religion, whether they claim to be Christian or Muslim.

I understand that perfectly, but there is more to be lost than gained with such deliberate use of language.

BS44325

Go Beavers said:

It's because of the language used around terrorism, and Obama's smart enough to see how the term "Islamic terrorist" is used to manipulate and incite fear, and therefore move with misguided policies, e.g. banning Muslims from entering the country until we get this sorted out. When we start hearing the term "Christian terrorists", I suppose it makes sense to start saying "Muslim terrorists". They aren't acting from their religion, whether they claim to be Christian or Muslim.

But don't you see how this is a massive problem? Instead of confronting the issue Obama is more concerned about how his words will be used to "manipulate" and "incite". That is a complete absence of leadership. He should be concerned with confronting radical Islam itself instead of being concerned about the behaviour of his political opposition. C'mon man!

rgambs

The firearms were legally purchased recently

mrussel1

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

It's because of the language used around terrorism, and Obama's smart enough to see how the term "Islamic terrorist" is used to manipulate and incite fear, and therefore move with misguided policies, e.g. banning Muslims from entering the country until we get this sorted out. When we start hearing the term "Christian terrorists", I suppose it makes sense to start saying "Muslim terrorists". They aren't acting from their religion, whether they claim to be Christian or Muslim.

But don't you see how this is a massive problem? Instead of confronting the issue Obama is more concerned about how his words will be used to "manipulate" and "incite". That is a complete absence of leadership. He should be concerned with confronting radical Islam itself instead of being concerned about the behaviour of his political opposition. C'mon man!

Speeches and nomenclature are not examples of confronting the problem. Intelligence, policies, spying, drone strikes (however you feel about that) etc are examples of confronting. This is why it doesn't matter to me, one bit, whether he uses the term Islamic or not.

callen

muskydan said:

josevolution said:

So it's been determined that it's a terrorist I mean 20 dead is terrorist act but I'm wondering how fast they pin it on a Muslim ...

Wonder no further. As much as the apologists want to sprinkle unicorn poop and ferry dust on incidents like this, never forget you as an American are a infidel and must be slaughtered. More importantly God bless the victims and families of yet another terrorist attack.

"Unicorn poop and ferry dust". Telling. And the god tie in. Textbook.

oh how a large percentage of our population has same fked up hateful mindset as this guy. Fk, brain scans of typical Trump supporters match those of this killer. Guns gods and hating gays. Same shit.

And God didn't bless any of these folks did he? Made em gay but they can't act on it, living in Red state with stupid laws and then, then killing and injuring them. God fked em.

callen

BS44325 said:

dignin said:

mcgruff10 said:

hedonist said:

Even with a metal detector, at that point, I'm not sure what good it would have done.

My heart goes out to those people who were fucking ambushed, and those mourning them this morning.

from what I've read an officer engaged him outside the club; the shooter then went into the club.
what the hell kind of device did he have? are there know suicide bombers active in the u.s.?! fuck

Early reports are calling that "device" an assault weapon.

Early reports also list Omar Mir Seddique Mateen as a registered Democrat.

Oh boy.