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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    edited August 2016
    brianlux said:

    It's hard for me to wrap my head around the notion that the majority of people in the US believe the two-party system is still working for us (it's not, it's working for the top tier wealthy). But I believe that is going to change. We've seen the beginnings of that change already this year with Bernie's campaign. My hope is that more younger people keep getting/get involved to make a more-than-two party system work for everyone. My wish for younger generations is that you don't flake out like boomers mostly have. We had good ideals but we were spoiled and wanted it all. Younger generations will have to learn to live within the limits of resources and the value of sharing and ccreating a society that is at least closer to egalitarian.

    I think most people are simply parochial in their day to day concerns. You have a job, kids to tend to, bills to pay, soccer practice, band, and you hope to have a few minutes at the end of the evening to spend with your significant other. You're not focused on political parties, but every four years, you are thinking about the presidency because it's in your face everyday for some period of time (like now). My wife is exactly like that. But before we get all judgy, she graduated Summa cum laude from the University of Richmond business school and is a CPA. She is very smart, but politics don't interest her. There are a lot of 'soccer moms' exactly like her in the country. And she is repulsed by Trump. But once this is over, her concerns revert to the everyday issues, not the electoral system.
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Had to look up "parochial".
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    dignin said:

    Had to look up "parochial".

    Not the Catholic type... for those of us that went to parochial school!
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    edited August 2016
    brianlux said:

    It's hard for me to wrap my head around the notion that the majority of people in the US believe the two-party system is still working for us (it's not, it's working for the top tier wealthy). But I believe that is going to change. We've seen the beginnings of that change already this year with Bernie's campaign. My hope is that more younger people keep getting/get involved to make a more-than-two party system work for everyone. My wish for younger generations is that you don't flake out like boomers mostly have. We had good ideals but we were spoiled and wanted it all. Younger generations will have to learn to live within the limits of resources and the value of sharing and ccreating a society that is at least closer to egalitarian.

    Great post.

    The idea that most people flake out and only focus on day to day concerns may be a reality, but it is ultimately a tragedy. For the future of our planet, our country, ourselves. For when we are near death, too many look back and wished that they cared more and didn't waste their lives away worrying about the day to day, about getting to work, about working late to buy that next big purchase. Caring about the big things: making a difference, being a part of a greater goal, and overturning a system that only works for the 1% to work for the rest of us.., that's what makes life richer. For everyone.

    No one on their deathbed wishes they worked more. And cared less.
    Post edited by Free on
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    mrussel1 said:

    dignin said:

    Had to look up "parochial".

    Not the Catholic type... for those of us that went to parochial school!
    Yeah when I read the first catholic definition I thought this can't be right. The second one made far more sense.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,680
    edited August 2016
    Free said:

    brianlux said:

    It's hard for me to wrap my head around the notion that the majority of people in the US believe the two-party system is still working for us (it's not, it's working for the top tier wealthy). But I believe that is going to change. We've seen the beginnings of that change already this year with Bernie's campaign. My hope is that more younger people keep getting/get involved to make a more-than-two party system work for everyone. My wish for younger generations is that you don't flake out like boomers mostly have. We had good ideals but we were spoiled and wanted it all. Younger generations will have to learn to live within the limits of resources and the value of sharing and ccreating a society that is at least closer to egalitarian.

    Great post.

    The idea that most people flake out and only focus on day to day concerns may be a reality, but it is ultimately a tragedy. For the future of our planet, our country, ourselves. For when we are near death, too many look back and wished that they cared more and didn't waste their lives away worrying about the day to day, about getting to work, about working late to buy that next big purchase. Caring about the big things: making a difference, being a part of a greater goal, and overturning a system that only works for the 1% to work for the rest of us.., that's what makes life richer. For everyone.
    I completely agree with this.......... sadly, it will never happen. Or not for maybe 1000 years, or whenever the world is like Earth in Star Trek: The Next Generation. And you know how they ended up with that kind of society? WWIII almost totally destroyed humanity, societies around the world collapsed, so they were able to start from scratch. Oh, and they discovered warp drive. :lol: I know that's silly, but actually that level of upheaval - something globally catastrophic that completely destroys all major governments - is almost certainly what is needed for a world like the one you're describing to come out of what we currently have.... And even if that did happen, it could go either way as people try to reestablish society. Could be good or very very very bad. Unfortunately, greed and the need of some for power usually beats out higher ideals. Depressing and cynical I know, but it seems to be true, too. Yes, that is a tragedy. Seems that humans are a lot better at idealistic desires than they are at idealistic actions.
    But to be clear, I'm not saying this because I think we should just give up. That would be bad for the soul. And things can very realistically be better in the US specifically.... you just need a different system of government. Simple, right? ;) Yeah, of course it will have to start with younger people being more involved, from the bottom up. Best case scenario, America is still at least a couple of generations away from any real positive change.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    PJ_Soul said:

    Free said:

    brianlux said:

    It's hard for me to wrap my head around the notion that the majority of people in the US believe the two-party system is still working for us (it's not, it's working for the top tier wealthy). But I believe that is going to change. We've seen the beginnings of that change already this year with Bernie's campaign. My hope is that more younger people keep getting/get involved to make a more-than-two party system work for everyone. My wish for younger generations is that you don't flake out like boomers mostly have. We had good ideals but we were spoiled and wanted it all. Younger generations will have to learn to live within the limits of resources and the value of sharing and ccreating a society that is at least closer to egalitarian.

    Great post.

    The idea that most people flake out and only focus on day to day concerns may be a reality, but it is ultimately a tragedy. For the future of our planet, our country, ourselves. For when we are near death, too many look back and wished that they cared more and didn't waste their lives away worrying about the day to day, about getting to work, about working late to buy that next big purchase. Caring about the big things: making a difference, being a part of a greater goal, and overturning a system that only works for the 1% to work for the rest of us.., that's what makes life richer. For everyone.
    I completely agree with this.......... sadly, it will never happen. Or not for maybe 1000 years, or whenever the world is like Earth in Star Trek: The Next Generation. And you know how they ended up with that kind of society? WWIII almost totally destroyed humanity, societies around the world collapsed, so they were able to start from scratch. Oh, and they discovered warp drive. :lol: I know that's silly, but actually that level of upheaval - something globally catastrophic that completely destroys all major governments - is almost certainly what is needed for a world like the one you're describing to come out of what we currently have.... And even if that did happen, it could go either way as people try to reestablish society. Could be good or very very very bad. Unfortunately, greed and the need of some for power usually beats out higher ideals. Depressing and cynical I know, but it seems to be true, too. Yes, that is a tragedy. Seems that humans are a lot better at idealistic desires than they are at idealistic actions.
    But to be clear, I'm not saying this because I think we should just give up. That would be bad for the soul. And things can very realistically be better in the US specifically.... you just need a different system of government. Simple, right? ;) Yeah, of course it will have to start with younger people being more involved, from the bottom up. Best case scenario, America is still at least a couple of generations away from any real positive change.
    It really is frustrating because I just really believe someday many people are going so say, "Oh shit! Why didn't we do more?" And kids are going to be saying, "Why didn't you adults do something when you could? Why were you so shrieking stupid not to do something more?" (The language will go from "fucking" to "freaking" to "shrieking". You heard it here first).
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    edited August 2016
    Selfish, selfish, selfish, cynical and parochial.

    Now, what will I buy next?
    Post edited by Free on
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,680
    Free said:

    Selfish, selfish, selfish, cynical and patrochial.

    Now, what will I buy next?

    Well that PJ backpack and the tote bags are still in the 10C shop. Lots of stickers and ill-fitting shirts, too. ;)
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    PJ_Soul said:

    Free said:

    Selfish, selfish, selfish, cynical and patrochial.

    Now, what will I buy next?

    Well that PJ backpack and the tote bags are still in the 10C shop. Lots of stickers and ill-fitting shirts, too. ;)
    Proves my point perfectly.

  • what dreams
    what dreams Posts: 1,761
    brianlux said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Free said:

    brianlux said:

    It's hard for me to wrap my head around the notion that the majority of people in the US believe the two-party system is still working for us (it's not, it's working for the top tier wealthy). But I believe that is going to change. We've seen the beginnings of that change already this year with Bernie's campaign. My hope is that more younger people keep getting/get involved to make a more-than-two party system work for everyone. My wish for younger generations is that you don't flake out like boomers mostly have. We had good ideals but we were spoiled and wanted it all. Younger generations will have to learn to live within the limits of resources and the value of sharing and ccreating a society that is at least closer to egalitarian.

    Great post.

    The idea that most people flake out and only focus on day to day concerns may be a reality, but it is ultimately a tragedy. For the future of our planet, our country, ourselves. For when we are near death, too many look back and wished that they cared more and didn't waste their lives away worrying about the day to day, about getting to work, about working late to buy that next big purchase. Caring about the big things: making a difference, being a part of a greater goal, and overturning a system that only works for the 1% to work for the rest of us.., that's what makes life richer. For everyone.
    I completely agree with this.......... sadly, it will never happen. Or not for maybe 1000 years, or whenever the world is like Earth in Star Trek: The Next Generation. And you know how they ended up with that kind of society? WWIII almost totally destroyed humanity, societies around the world collapsed, so they were able to start from scratch. Oh, and they discovered warp drive. :lol: I know that's silly, but actually that level of upheaval - something globally catastrophic that completely destroys all major governments - is almost certainly what is needed for a world like the one you're describing to come out of what we currently have.... And even if that did happen, it could go either way as people try to reestablish society. Could be good or very very very bad. Unfortunately, greed and the need of some for power usually beats out higher ideals. Depressing and cynical I know, but it seems to be true, too. Yes, that is a tragedy. Seems that humans are a lot better at idealistic desires than they are at idealistic actions.
    But to be clear, I'm not saying this because I think we should just give up. That would be bad for the soul. And things can very realistically be better in the US specifically.... you just need a different system of government. Simple, right? ;) Yeah, of course it will have to start with younger people being more involved, from the bottom up. Best case scenario, America is still at least a couple of generations away from any real positive change.
    It really is frustrating because I just really believe someday many people are going so say, "Oh shit! Why didn't we do more?" And kids are going to be saying, "Why didn't you adults do something when you could? Why were you so shrieking stupid not to do something more?" (The language will go from "fucking" to "freaking" to "shrieking". You heard it here first).
    Or another theory is that the next generation of scientists will figure out how to solve the problems our genration made, but also create new problems that their grandchildren will solve. It's evolutuon, baby!

    I mean, would you want to live in Pittsburgh 100 years ago?

  • Boxes&Books
    Boxes&Books USA Posts: 2,672

    brianlux said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Free said:

    brianlux said:

    It's hard for me to wrap my head around the notion that the majority of people in the US believe the two-party system is still working for us (it's not, it's working for the top tier wealthy). But I believe that is going to change. We've seen the beginnings of that change already this year with Bernie's campaign. My hope is that more younger people keep getting/get involved to make a more-than-two party system work for everyone. My wish for younger generations is that you don't flake out like boomers mostly have. We had good ideals but we were spoiled and wanted it all. Younger generations will have to learn to live within the limits of resources and the value of sharing and ccreating a society that is at least closer to egalitarian.

    Great post.

    The idea that most people flake out and only focus on day to day concerns may be a reality, but it is ultimately a tragedy. For the future of our planet, our country, ourselves. For when we are near death, too many look back and wished that they cared more and didn't waste their lives away worrying about the day to day, about getting to work, about working late to buy that next big purchase. Caring about the big things: making a difference, being a part of a greater goal, and overturning a system that only works for the 1% to work for the rest of us.., that's what makes life richer. For everyone.
    I completely agree with this.......... sadly, it will never happen. Or not for maybe 1000 years, or whenever the world is like Earth in Star Trek: The Next Generation. And you know how they ended up with that kind of society? WWIII almost totally destroyed humanity, societies around the world collapsed, so they were able to start from scratch. Oh, and they discovered warp drive. :lol: I know that's silly, but actually that level of upheaval - something globally catastrophic that completely destroys all major governments - is almost certainly what is needed for a world like the one you're describing to come out of what we currently have.... And even if that did happen, it could go either way as people try to reestablish society. Could be good or very very very bad. Unfortunately, greed and the need of some for power usually beats out higher ideals. Depressing and cynical I know, but it seems to be true, too. Yes, that is a tragedy. Seems that humans are a lot better at idealistic desires than they are at idealistic actions.
    But to be clear, I'm not saying this because I think we should just give up. That would be bad for the soul. And things can very realistically be better in the US specifically.... you just need a different system of government. Simple, right? ;) Yeah, of course it will have to start with younger people being more involved, from the bottom up. Best case scenario, America is still at least a couple of generations away from any real positive change.
    It really is frustrating because I just really believe someday many people are going so say, "Oh shit! Why didn't we do more?" And kids are going to be saying, "Why didn't you adults do something when you could? Why were you so shrieking stupid not to do something more?" (The language will go from "fucking" to "freaking" to "shrieking". You heard it here first).
    Or another theory is that the next generation of scientists will figure out how to solve the problems our genration made, but also create new problems that their grandchildren will solve. It's evolutuon, baby!

    I mean, would you want to live in Pittsburgh 100 years ago?

    Scientist won't do shit because politicians have them by the balls- and we all know who has Clinton by the balls. Let the cycle continue, until there is no more.
  • what dreams
    what dreams Posts: 1,761
    tonifig8 said:

    brianlux said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Free said:

    brianlux said:

    It's hard for me to wrap my head around the notion that the majority of people in the US believe the two-party system is still working for us (it's not, it's working for the top tier wealthy). But I believe that is going to change. We've seen the beginnings of that change already this year with Bernie's campaign. My hope is that more younger people keep getting/get involved to make a more-than-two party system work for everyone. My wish for younger generations is that you don't flake out like boomers mostly have. We had good ideals but we were spoiled and wanted it all. Younger generations will have to learn to live within the limits of resources and the value of sharing and ccreating a society that is at least closer to egalitarian.

    Great post.

    The idea that most people flake out and only focus on day to day concerns may be a reality, but it is ultimately a tragedy. For the future of our planet, our country, ourselves. For when we are near death, too many look back and wished that they cared more and didn't waste their lives away worrying about the day to day, about getting to work, about working late to buy that next big purchase. Caring about the big things: making a difference, being a part of a greater goal, and overturning a system that only works for the 1% to work for the rest of us.., that's what makes life richer. For everyone.
    I completely agree with this.......... sadly, it will never happen. Or not for maybe 1000 years, or whenever the world is like Earth in Star Trek: The Next Generation. And you know how they ended up with that kind of society? WWIII almost totally destroyed humanity, societies around the world collapsed, so they were able to start from scratch. Oh, and they discovered warp drive. :lol: I know that's silly, but actually that level of upheaval - something globally catastrophic that completely destroys all major governments - is almost certainly what is needed for a world like the one you're describing to come out of what we currently have.... And even if that did happen, it could go either way as people try to reestablish society. Could be good or very very very bad. Unfortunately, greed and the need of some for power usually beats out higher ideals. Depressing and cynical I know, but it seems to be true, too. Yes, that is a tragedy. Seems that humans are a lot better at idealistic desires than they are at idealistic actions.
    But to be clear, I'm not saying this because I think we should just give up. That would be bad for the soul. And things can very realistically be better in the US specifically.... you just need a different system of government. Simple, right? ;) Yeah, of course it will have to start with younger people being more involved, from the bottom up. Best case scenario, America is still at least a couple of generations away from any real positive change.
    It really is frustrating because I just really believe someday many people are going so say, "Oh shit! Why didn't we do more?" And kids are going to be saying, "Why didn't you adults do something when you could? Why were you so shrieking stupid not to do something more?" (The language will go from "fucking" to "freaking" to "shrieking". You heard it here first).
    Or another theory is that the next generation of scientists will figure out how to solve the problems our genration made, but also create new problems that their grandchildren will solve. It's evolutuon, baby!

    I mean, would you want to live in Pittsburgh 100 years ago?

    Scientist won't do shit because politicians have them by the balls- and we all know who has Clinton by the balls. Let the cycle continue, until there is no more.
    Glass half full vs glass half empty. It must suck to live such a cynical life.
  • Boxes&Books
    Boxes&Books USA Posts: 2,672

    tonifig8 said:

    brianlux said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Free said:

    brianlux said:

    It's hard for me to wrap my head around the notion that the majority of people in the US believe the two-party system is still working for us (it's not, it's working for the top tier wealthy). But I believe that is going to change. We've seen the beginnings of that change already this year with Bernie's campaign. My hope is that more younger people keep getting/get involved to make a more-than-two party system work for everyone. My wish for younger generations is that you don't flake out like boomers mostly have. We had good ideals but we were spoiled and wanted it all. Younger generations will have to learn to live within the limits of resources and the value of sharing and ccreating a society that is at least closer to egalitarian.

    Great post.

    The idea that most people flake out and only focus on day to day concerns may be a reality, but it is ultimately a tragedy. For the future of our planet, our country, ourselves. For when we are near death, too many look back and wished that they cared more and didn't waste their lives away worrying about the day to day, about getting to work, about working late to buy that next big purchase. Caring about the big things: making a difference, being a part of a greater goal, and overturning a system that only works for the 1% to work for the rest of us.., that's what makes life richer. For everyone.
    I completely agree with this.......... sadly, it will never happen. Or not for maybe 1000 years, or whenever the world is like Earth in Star Trek: The Next Generation. And you know how they ended up with that kind of society? WWIII almost totally destroyed humanity, societies around the world collapsed, so they were able to start from scratch. Oh, and they discovered warp drive. :lol: I know that's silly, but actually that level of upheaval - something globally catastrophic that completely destroys all major governments - is almost certainly what is needed for a world like the one you're describing to come out of what we currently have.... And even if that did happen, it could go either way as people try to reestablish society. Could be good or very very very bad. Unfortunately, greed and the need of some for power usually beats out higher ideals. Depressing and cynical I know, but it seems to be true, too. Yes, that is a tragedy. Seems that humans are a lot better at idealistic desires than they are at idealistic actions.
    But to be clear, I'm not saying this because I think we should just give up. That would be bad for the soul. And things can very realistically be better in the US specifically.... you just need a different system of government. Simple, right? ;) Yeah, of course it will have to start with younger people being more involved, from the bottom up. Best case scenario, America is still at least a couple of generations away from any real positive change.
    It really is frustrating because I just really believe someday many people are going so say, "Oh shit! Why didn't we do more?" And kids are going to be saying, "Why didn't you adults do something when you could? Why were you so shrieking stupid not to do something more?" (The language will go from "fucking" to "freaking" to "shrieking". You heard it here first).
    Or another theory is that the next generation of scientists will figure out how to solve the problems our genration made, but also create new problems that their grandchildren will solve. It's evolutuon, baby!

    I mean, would you want to live in Pittsburgh 100 years ago?

    Scientist won't do shit because politicians have them by the balls- and we all know who has Clinton by the balls. Let the cycle continue, until there is no more.
    Glass half full vs glass half empty. It must suck to live such a cynical life.
    Well that's why I'm doing all I can to expose Clinton and fight for better leaders. I'm very optimistic, but I'm also aware of reality. Don't be so quick to judge a life based on a comment.
  • what dreams
    what dreams Posts: 1,761
    One comment, no judging. Every comment, a pattern forms.

    You are not "exposing Clinton." You are repeating what people have been saying about her as far back as 1967 when she stirred the pot at her college graduation. I'm not sure how old you are (but you seem very young). If you ever get a chance, listen to her commencement address. She, too, had the audacity to speak out against "political corruption" and it landed her on the cover of a magazine. She then spent the rest of her life trying to change the world. Gee, am I telling her life story, or yours? Funny how some of us talk about changing the world, and others actually do it.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    mrussel1 said:

    brianlux said:

    It's hard for me to wrap my head around the notion that the majority of people in the US believe the two-party system is still working for us (it's not, it's working for the top tier wealthy). But I believe that is going to change. We've seen the beginnings of that change already this year with Bernie's campaign. My hope is that more younger people keep getting/get involved to make a more-than-two party system work for everyone. My wish for younger generations is that you don't flake out like boomers mostly have. We had good ideals but we were spoiled and wanted it all. Younger generations will have to learn to live within the limits of resources and the value of sharing and ccreating a society that is at least closer to egalitarian.

    I think most people are simply parochial in their day to day concerns. You have a job, kids to tend to, bills to pay, soccer practice, band, and you hope to have a few minutes at the end of the evening to spend with your significant other. You're not focused on political parties, but every four years, you are thinking about the presidency because it's in your face everyday for some period of time (like now). My wife is exactly like that. But before we get all judgy, she graduated Summa cum laude from the University of Richmond business school and is a CPA. She is very smart, but politics don't interest her. There are a lot of 'soccer moms' exactly like her in the country. And she is repulsed by Trump. But once this is over, her concerns revert to the everyday issues, not the electoral system.
    Most of us will want a "vacation" from politics once this election is over!



    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    tonifig8 said:

    brianlux said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Free said:

    brianlux said:

    It's hard for me to wrap my head around the notion that the majority of people in the US believe the two-party system is still working for us (it's not, it's working for the top tier wealthy). But I believe that is going to change. We've seen the beginnings of that change already this year with Bernie's campaign. My hope is that more younger people keep getting/get involved to make a more-than-two party system work for everyone. My wish for younger generations is that you don't flake out like boomers mostly have. We had good ideals but we were spoiled and wanted it all. Younger generations will have to learn to live within the limits of resources and the value of sharing and ccreating a society that is at least closer to egalitarian.

    Great post.

    The idea that most people flake out and only focus on day to day concerns may be a reality, but it is ultimately a tragedy. For the future of our planet, our country, ourselves. For when we are near death, too many look back and wished that they cared more and didn't waste their lives away worrying about the day to day, about getting to work, about working late to buy that next big purchase. Caring about the big things: making a difference, being a part of a greater goal, and overturning a system that only works for the 1% to work for the rest of us.., that's what makes life richer. For everyone.
    I completely agree with this.......... sadly, it will never happen. Or not for maybe 1000 years, or whenever the world is like Earth in Star Trek: The Next Generation. And you know how they ended up with that kind of society? WWIII almost totally destroyed humanity, societies around the world collapsed, so they were able to start from scratch. Oh, and they discovered warp drive. :lol: I know that's silly, but actually that level of upheaval - something globally catastrophic that completely destroys all major governments - is almost certainly what is needed for a world like the one you're describing to come out of what we currently have.... And even if that did happen, it could go either way as people try to reestablish society. Could be good or very very very bad. Unfortunately, greed and the need of some for power usually beats out higher ideals. Depressing and cynical I know, but it seems to be true, too. Yes, that is a tragedy. Seems that humans are a lot better at idealistic desires than they are at idealistic actions.
    But to be clear, I'm not saying this because I think we should just give up. That would be bad for the soul. And things can very realistically be better in the US specifically.... you just need a different system of government. Simple, right? ;) Yeah, of course it will have to start with younger people being more involved, from the bottom up. Best case scenario, America is still at least a couple of generations away from any real positive change.
    It really is frustrating because I just really believe someday many people are going so say, "Oh shit! Why didn't we do more?" And kids are going to be saying, "Why didn't you adults do something when you could? Why were you so shrieking stupid not to do something more?" (The language will go from "fucking" to "freaking" to "shrieking". You heard it here first).
    Or another theory is that the next generation of scientists will figure out how to solve the problems our genration made, but also create new problems that their grandchildren will solve. It's evolutuon, baby!

    I mean, would you want to live in Pittsburgh 100 years ago?

    Scientist won't do shit because politicians have them by the balls- and we all know who has Clinton by the balls. Let the cycle continue, until there is no more.
    Clearly you don't know any scientists, or understand the fundamentals of how scientific integrity and consensus work.
    It's a tired line from the right, it's lazy and either misinformed or disingenuous.
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  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    I love how people assume that if you criticize the left you must be from the right. :lol:
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,379
    Free said:

    I love how people assume that if you criticize the left you must be from the right. :lol:

    You're right... As per your last post and rgambs' response, lazy, misinformed or disingenuous lines can come from both right or left (or centrist for that matter).
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    tonifig8 said:

    brianlux said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Free said:

    brianlux said:

    It's hard for me to wrap my head around the notion that the majority of people in the US believe the two-party system is still working for us (it's not, it's working for the top tier wealthy). But I believe that is going to change. We've seen the beginnings of that change already this year with Bernie's campaign. My hope is that more younger people keep getting/get involved to make a more-than-two party system work for everyone. My wish for younger generations is that you don't flake out like boomers mostly have. We had good ideals but we were spoiled and wanted it all. Younger generations will have to learn to live within the limits of resources and the value of sharing and ccreating a society that is at least closer to egalitarian.

    Great post.

    The idea that most people flake out and only focus on day to day concerns may be a reality, but it is ultimately a tragedy. For the future of our planet, our country, ourselves. For when we are near death, too many look back and wished that they cared more and didn't waste their lives away worrying about the day to day, about getting to work, about working late to buy that next big purchase. Caring about the big things: making a difference, being a part of a greater goal, and overturning a system that only works for the 1% to work for the rest of us.., that's what makes life richer. For everyone.
    I completely agree with this.......... sadly, it will never happen. Or not for maybe 1000 years, or whenever the world is like Earth in Star Trek: The Next Generation. And you know how they ended up with that kind of society? WWIII almost totally destroyed humanity, societies around the world collapsed, so they were able to start from scratch. Oh, and they discovered warp drive. :lol: I know that's silly, but actually that level of upheaval - something globally catastrophic that completely destroys all major governments - is almost certainly what is needed for a world like the one you're describing to come out of what we currently have.... And even if that did happen, it could go either way as people try to reestablish society. Could be good or very very very bad. Unfortunately, greed and the need of some for power usually beats out higher ideals. Depressing and cynical I know, but it seems to be true, too. Yes, that is a tragedy. Seems that humans are a lot better at idealistic desires than they are at idealistic actions.
    But to be clear, I'm not saying this because I think we should just give up. That would be bad for the soul. And things can very realistically be better in the US specifically.... you just need a different system of government. Simple, right? ;) Yeah, of course it will have to start with younger people being more involved, from the bottom up. Best case scenario, America is still at least a couple of generations away from any real positive change.
    It really is frustrating because I just really believe someday many people are going so say, "Oh shit! Why didn't we do more?" And kids are going to be saying, "Why didn't you adults do something when you could? Why were you so shrieking stupid not to do something more?" (The language will go from "fucking" to "freaking" to "shrieking". You heard it here first).
    Or another theory is that the next generation of scientists will figure out how to solve the problems our genration made, but also create new problems that their grandchildren will solve. It's evolutuon, baby!

    I mean, would you want to live in Pittsburgh 100 years ago?

    Scientist won't do shit because politicians have them by the balls- and we all know who has Clinton by the balls. Let the cycle continue, until there is no more.
    You don't understand how science works.