Animals in Captivity

cincybearcat

How about all those streets and sidewalks....no barrier to keep kids from getting hit by a car....

PJfanwillneverleave1

cincybearcat said:

How about all those streets and sidewalks....no barrier to keep kids from getting hit by a car....

There was no big red button that said do not push everywhere they went....

Thirty Bills Unpaid

cincybearcat said:

How about all those streets and sidewalks....no barrier to keep kids from getting hit by a car....

I haven't completely absolved mom.

But look at the drop behind the hedge. Step through the hedge and... fall 12 feet? The fence before the hedge isn't really a fence. It indicates 'stay out' to anyone wth a mind, but 3 yr olds don't have minds.

It's the same thing as going to a thrill park and getting on a ride. There is a level of safety expected of the thrill park. The zoo didn't see the potential and likely should have.

PJ_Soul

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cincybearcat

Zoo enclosures are designed to keep animals in and provide maximum visibility for all guests (kids, adults, individuals in wheel-chairs).

The fence and moat we're not to keep people out. The zoo probably thought the big freakin Gorilla was enough to do that.

Degeneratefk

cincybearcat said:

All those staying kids can get away in the blink of an eye....I don't agree fully. And the real parenting happens from day 1 so when a 4 year old sees a fence they aren't even thinking about getting through or going over. But then again, most parents are becoming more and more complacent. Instead of parenting they are videoing their kids doing bad/stupid/dangerous stuff. All the whole the kid is creating bad habits.

Really? I will assume you have children. You've never turned your head and when you look back, your child wasn't where he or she was just a second ago?

tempo_n_groove

Degeneratefk said:

cincybearcat said:

All those staying kids can get away in the blink of an eye....I don't agree fully. And the real parenting happens from day 1 so when a 4 year old sees a fence they aren't even thinking about getting through or going over. But then again, most parents are becoming more and more complacent. Instead of parenting they are videoing their kids doing bad/stupid/dangerous stuff. All the whole the kid is creating bad habits.

Really? I will assume you have children. You've never turned your head and when you look back, your child wasn't where he or she was just a second ago?

I'd focus more on the aspect of boundaries with the kids.

rgambs

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Thanks.

Yeah, it definitely wasn't hard for the kid to get in, that's a quick hop and a short scramble through the bushes.
Speaking of the hedge, that should be a wild black raspberry hedge. It's thornier than a rose bush, native to the region, incredibly hardy and abundant in the area (free to dig up and transplant), and the kids would have berries to snack on in June.
It's a no brainer.


I often wonder why public spaces are filled with non-native (often expensive) ornamentals when edible options would serve the same purpose. Put some freaking blueberries, gooseberries, elderberries, and raspberries in for cripes sake!

rgambs

^^^ Speaking of, I just walked into a grocery store and there was a small tree in front of it with some lovely pinkish berries that looked exquisitely delicious, so I pinched one and gave it a taste. A little too tart it was, and now the tip of my tongue is numb...
Now why in the hell would you plant such a tasty looking fruit in front of the store when eating it is clearly not a good idea?
Hello, has no one ever heard of mullberry tree?

What a ridiculous amount of waste and idiocy in this country.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

cincybearcat said:

Zoo enclosures are designed to keep animals in and provide maximum visibility for all guests (kids, adults, individuals in wheel-chairs).

The fence and moat we're not to keep people out. The zoo probably thought the big freakin Gorilla was enough to do that.

The kid might not have had designs on jumping into the moat. He may have been planning on stepping through the bushes to see better. Of course, once you step through those bushes, you fall- the ledge is immediate.

polaris_x

i would say this is mostly the parents fault for sure ... sure, great parents every day get away with lapses and some don't ... just shows how difficult it is to be 100% secure if you decide to venture out into this world ... but ultimately, if you're gonna take your kid(s) to a zoo - you have to be extra vigilante and it's clear they weren't at that moment ...

as for the zoo, which I don't really believe in or go to, their primary focus is to raise money whether for profit or for funding their programs ... people won't go to zoos if they don't get to see the animals and viewing is a priority ... i do think they could have built a solid barrier that still sits below the bush there ... and this could have been avoided ...

polaris_x

rgambs said:

^^^ Speaking of, I just walked into a grocery store and there was a small tree in front of it with some lovely pinkish berries that looked exquisitely delicious, so I pinched one and gave it a taste. A little too tart it was, and now the tip of my tongue is numb...
Now why in the hell would you plant such a tasty looking fruit in front of the store when eating it is clearly not a good idea?
Hello, has no one ever heard of mullberry tree?

What a ridiculous amount of waste and idiocy in this country.

haha ... i can't remember the name of that berry ... they do look enticing but definitely not for consumption ...

cincybearcat

Degeneratefk said:

cincybearcat said:

All those staying kids can get away in the blink of an eye....I don't agree fully. And the real parenting happens from day 1 so when a 4 year old sees a fence they aren't even thinking about getting through or going over. But then again, most parents are becoming more and more complacent. Instead of parenting they are videoing their kids doing bad/stupid/dangerous stuff. All the whole the kid is creating bad habits.

Really? I will assume you have children. You've never turned your head and when you look back, your child wasn't where he or she was just a second ago?

Yes I have a child. And when there was any danger around, no this did not happen. And if it did, I would blame myself for not paying attention, not others for not doing my job when I wasn't.

tempo_n_groove

rgambs said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Thanks.

Yeah, it definitely wasn't hard for the kid to get in, that's a quick hop and a short scramble through the bushes.
Speaking of the hedge, that should be a wild black raspberry hedge. It's thornier than a rose bush, native to the region, incredibly hardy and abundant in the area (free to dig up and transplant), and the kids would have berries to snack on in June.
It's a no brainer.


I often wonder why public spaces are filled with non-native (often expensive) ornamentals when edible options would serve the same purpose. Put some freaking blueberries, gooseberries, elderberries, and raspberries in for cripes sake!

Kid eats berries then has allergic reaction and has to be rushed to the hospital. Parents wonder "why" berries were there in the first place when a child could so easily access them. They sue for $1,000,000.

Or

Child falls in thorny berry bush and gets cut up something fierce. Parents are appalled and sue for $1,000,000.

cincybearcat

tempo_n_groove said:

rgambs said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Thanks.

Yeah, it definitely wasn't hard for the kid to get in, that's a quick hop and a short scramble through the bushes.
Speaking of the hedge, that should be a wild black raspberry hedge. It's thornier than a rose bush, native to the region, incredibly hardy and abundant in the area (free to dig up and transplant), and the kids would have berries to snack on in June.
It's a no brainer.


I often wonder why public spaces are filled with non-native (often expensive) ornamentals when edible options would serve the same purpose. Put some freaking blueberries, gooseberries, elderberries, and raspberries in for cripes sake!

Kid eats berries then has allergic reaction and has to be rushed to the hospital. Parents wonder "why" berries were there in the first place when a child could so easily access them. They sue for $1,000,000.

Or

Child falls in thorny berry bush and gets cut up something fierce. Parents are appalled and sue for $1,000,000.

Yup. Stupid court system has shifted responsibility to whoever has the most $

Degeneratefk

cincybearcat said:

Degeneratefk said:

cincybearcat said:

All those staying kids can get away in the blink of an eye....I don't agree fully. And the real parenting happens from day 1 so when a 4 year old sees a fence they aren't even thinking about getting through or going over. But then again, most parents are becoming more and more complacent. Instead of parenting they are videoing their kids doing bad/stupid/dangerous stuff. All the whole the kid is creating bad habits.

Really? I will assume you have children. You've never turned your head and when you look back, your child wasn't where he or she was just a second ago?

Yes I have a child. And when there was any danger around, no this did not happen. And if it did, I would blame myself for not paying attention, not others for not doing my job when I wasn't.

I don't think the mother is blaming anyone else. I do not disagree with what you're saying, just that things like that happens. 99 times out of 100 nothing goes wrong.

HughFreakingDillon

Degeneratefk said:

cincybearcat said:

Degeneratefk said:

cincybearcat said:

All those staying kids can get away in the blink of an eye....I don't agree fully. And the real parenting happens from day 1 so when a 4 year old sees a fence they aren't even thinking about getting through or going over. But then again, most parents are becoming more and more complacent. Instead of parenting they are videoing their kids doing bad/stupid/dangerous stuff. All the whole the kid is creating bad habits.

Really? I will assume you have children. You've never turned your head and when you look back, your child wasn't where he or she was just a second ago?

Yes I have a child. And when there was any danger around, no this did not happen. And if it did, I would blame myself for not paying attention, not others for not doing my job when I wasn't.

I don't think the mother is blaming anyone else. I do not disagree with what you're saying, just that things like that happens. 99 times out of 100 nothing goes wrong.

this. it's the faceless internet that is blaming the mother/zoo/onlookers. haven't heard anything from the parents. they'd be smart to remain silent on this. just let it fade away until the next "outrage" happens.

20 years ago this would have been a blip on page 27 of the daily news. fucking social media makes a firestorm out of everything.

HesCalledDyer

Shoot the gorilla, save the kid. End of story. I'm not a parent or architect so I won't be commenting on mom or zoo.

chadwick

what if the boy was wearing a fashionable fresh bologna vest made up at the butcher shop earlier that morning & instead of falling into a gorilla pit, the squirrely youth actually stumbled head first into a fresh water pool filled to the brim with piranha & crazy evil clowns?

life aint easy

Jason P

I'm amazed he fell 15 feet into ankle high water and survived