This pretty much means you should vote for Hillary, or at least not Trump
Or write in Bernie and vote Johnson or Stein.
Maybe at least don't spoil a ballot by writing in Bernie. Waste of a vote.
Even if I weren't green now I still wouldn't vote for her. Any candidate who is pro Monsanto doesn't get my vote no matter what and after her and Schultz rigging it, she can go straight to hell.
I know you can't be neutral around here, but now this show is over what would any independent, neutral voters make of it? From the UK it is just seems equal parts dumb and scary, but will this inspire new voters for the usual post-convention polling bounce? Is there any impartial media reporting left to indicate any clues?
My guess is that poop show of a convention got more no thank you's than it did yes's. Trump will probably drop a coulle points in the next week or two.
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I know you can't be neutral around here, but now this show is over what would any independent, neutral voters make of it? From the UK it is just seems equal parts dumb and scary, but will this inspire new voters for the usual post-convention polling bounce? Is there any impartial media reporting left to indicate any clues?
I mentioned this elsewhere but perhaps worth repeating here: I spent the day with a friend from Germany and 4 other members of his family (also from Germany) and they all agreed (without my even bringing up the subject) that the vast majority of Europeans think Americans are crazy (their word) for nominating Donald Trump. They are perplexed that this could happen.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I know you can't be neutral around here, but now this show is over what would any independent, neutral voters make of it? From the UK it is just seems equal parts dumb and scary, but will this inspire new voters for the usual post-convention polling bounce? Is there any impartial media reporting left to indicate any clues?
I mentioned this elsewhere but perhaps worth repeating here: I spent the day with a friend from Germany and 4 other members of his family (also from Germany) and they all agreed (without my even bringing up the subject) that the vast majority of Europeans think Americans are crazy (their word) for nominating Donald Trump. They are perplexed that this could happen.
Was that before or after today's events?
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I know you can't be neutral around here, but now this show is over what would any independent, neutral voters make of it? From the UK it is just seems equal parts dumb and scary, but will this inspire new voters for the usual post-convention polling bounce? Is there any impartial media reporting left to indicate any clues?
I mentioned this elsewhere but perhaps worth repeating here: I spent the day with a friend from Germany and 4 other members of his family (also from Germany) and they all agreed (without my even bringing up the subject) that the vast majority of Europeans think Americans are crazy (their word) for nominating Donald Trump. They are perplexed that this could happen.
Was that before or after today's events?
I'm assuming you're referring to the Munich shootings.
Before. I spent time with them here in California earlier this week. I haven't been in touch with them since the Munich incident but I have zero doubt it gives them or their fellow countrymen/Europeans in general any reason to feel any less certain that like this country is off it's rocker for nominating Donald Trump as the Republican candidate for President of The United States. In fact, if I had to guess I'd say, I'd guess they probably feel more so that way.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I know you can't be neutral around here, but now this show is over what would any independent, neutral voters make of it? From the UK it is just seems equal parts dumb and scary, but will this inspire new voters for the usual post-convention polling bounce? Is there any impartial media reporting left to indicate any clues?
I mentioned this elsewhere but perhaps worth repeating here: I spent the day with a friend from Germany and 4 other members of his family (also from Germany) and they all agreed (without my even bringing up the subject) that the vast majority of Europeans think Americans are crazy (their word) for nominating Donald Trump. They are perplexed that this could happen.
Was that before or after today's events?
I'm in Europe. It doesn't change a thing. Trump supporters are perpetuating the stereotype that Americans (and clearly some Canadians) are uneducated, immature and insular.
I know you can't be neutral around here, but now this show is over what would any independent, neutral voters make of it? From the UK it is just seems equal parts dumb and scary, but will this inspire new voters for the usual post-convention polling bounce? Is there any impartial media reporting left to indicate any clues?
I mentioned this elsewhere but perhaps worth repeating here: I spent the day with a friend from Germany and 4 other members of his family (also from Germany) and they all agreed (without my even bringing up the subject) that the vast majority of Europeans think Americans are crazy (their word) for nominating Donald Trump. They are perplexed that this could happen.
Was that before or after today's events?
I'm in Europe. It doesn't change a thing. Trump supporters are perpetuating the stereotype that Americans (and clearly some Canadians) are uneducated, immature and insular.
Haha....clearly some Canadians...Well played. That being said Europe has embraced that stereotype of Americans since 1776 and I do not imagine that it will ever change. I know that I did my "backpack" trip of europe during the Clinton administration and even then we were told to sew canadian flags on our packs so that god forbid we wouldn't be mistaken for being American. I wasn't mature enough back then to recognize what a slap in the face that was to the US but I certainly do now. What the people of Europe and globally should no longer be "perplexed" about is that the Trump voter has finally decided to tell you all to GFY. They don't care anymore. They look at the European project as one massively failed boondoggle and they are tired of backstopping it with their dollars and their soldiers. Now I personally don't like where that attitude is heading but Europe needs to know that they and the world have brought this upon themselves. You can't piss on Americans and their traditions for all eternity and then expect them to just shut up and maintain the status quo. It is not in their nature and if they come to the decision that your continent is no longer worth saving then they won't.
I know you can't be neutral around here, but now this show is over what would any independent, neutral voters make of it? From the UK it is just seems equal parts dumb and scary, but will this inspire new voters for the usual post-convention polling bounce? Is there any impartial media reporting left to indicate any clues?
I mentioned this elsewhere but perhaps worth repeating here: I spent the day with a friend from Germany and 4 other members of his family (also from Germany) and they all agreed (without my even bringing up the subject) that the vast majority of Europeans think Americans are crazy (their word) for nominating Donald Trump. They are perplexed that this could happen.
Was that before or after today's events?
I'm in Europe. It doesn't change a thing. Trump supporters are perpetuating the stereotype that Americans (and clearly some Canadians) are uneducated, immature and insular.
Haha....clearly some Canadians...Well played. That being said Europe has embraced that stereotype of Americans since 1776 and I do not imagine that it will ever change. I know that I did my "backpack" trip of europe during the Clinton administration and even then we were told to sew canadian flags on our packs so that god forbid we wouldn't be mistaken for being American. I wasn't mature enough back then to recognize what a slap in the face that was to the US but I certainly do now. What the people of Europe and globally should no longer be "perplexed" about is that the Trump voter has finally decided to tell you all to GFY. They don't care anymore. They look at the European project as one massively failed boondoggle and they are tired of backstopping it with their dollars and their soldiers. Now I personally don't like where that attitude is heading but Europe needs to know that they and the world have brought this upon themselves. You can't piss on Americans and their traditions for all eternity and then expect them to just shut up and maintain the status quo. It is not in their nature and if they come to the decision that your continent is no longer worth saving then they won't.
Europe is "one massively failed boondoggle"? You're telling us "what Europe needs to know"? Europeans are pissing on Americans and their traditions for all eternity? Having one mentally distured man go off his rocker and kill a bunch of people is something "they and the world have brought this upon themselves"?
Listen to yourself, man. You talk like the entire continent is one big massive blob of a creature. Maybe it's time to go back for another visit with the earnest intention of actually getting to know the place a little better.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I know you can't be neutral around here, but now this show is over what would any independent, neutral voters make of it? From the UK it is just seems equal parts dumb and scary, but will this inspire new voters for the usual post-convention polling bounce? Is there any impartial media reporting left to indicate any clues?
I mentioned this elsewhere but perhaps worth repeating here: I spent the day with a friend from Germany and 4 other members of his family (also from Germany) and they all agreed (without my even bringing up the subject) that the vast majority of Europeans think Americans are crazy (their word) for nominating Donald Trump. They are perplexed that this could happen.
Was that before or after today's events?
I'm in Europe. It doesn't change a thing. Trump supporters are perpetuating the stereotype that Americans (and clearly some Canadians) are uneducated, immature and insular.
Haha....clearly some Canadians...Well played. That being said Europe has embraced that stereotype of Americans since 1776 and I do not imagine that it will ever change. I know that I did my "backpack" trip of europe during the Clinton administration and even then we were told to sew canadian flags on our packs so that god forbid we wouldn't be mistaken for being American. I wasn't mature enough back then to recognize what a slap in the face that was to the US but I certainly do now. What the people of Europe and globally should no longer be "perplexed" about is that the Trump voter has finally decided to tell you all to GFY. They don't care anymore. They look at the European project as one massively failed boondoggle and they are tired of backstopping it with their dollars and their soldiers. Now I personally don't like where that attitude is heading but Europe needs to know that they and the world have brought this upon themselves. You can't piss on Americans and their traditions for all eternity and then expect them to just shut up and maintain the status quo. It is not in their nature and if they come to the decision that your continent is no longer worth saving then they won't.
Europe is "one massively failed boondoggle"? You're telling us "what Europe needs to know"? Europeans are pissing on Americans and their traditions for all eternity? Having one mentally distured man go off his rocker and kill a bunch of people is something "they and the world have brought this upon themselves"?
Listen to yourself, man. You talk like the entire continent is one big massive blob of a creature. Maybe it's time to go back for another visit with the earnest intention of actually getting to know the place a little better.
The European Union is crumbling. Fact. Economy is in shamble and countries within need massive bailouts. Fact. There is a refugee crisis. Fact. Demographically it's citizens are not meeting population replacement rate necessary to sustain itself. Fact. Right wing parties that would make the American conservative movement look like pikers in comparison are on the rise. Fact. It's once potential new partner Turkey is in the midst of a massive crisis. Fact. Putin is testing it's boundaries in Ukraine and the Baltics. Fact. I have visited Europe many times. It is beautiful and cultured. However it has no capacity to deal with it's current problems. Scratch below the surface brianlux...it ain't as pretty as they would like you to believe.
I know you can't be neutral around here, but now this show is over what would any independent, neutral voters make of it? From the UK it is just seems equal parts dumb and scary, but will this inspire new voters for the usual post-convention polling bounce? Is there any impartial media reporting left to indicate any clues?
I mentioned this elsewhere but perhaps worth repeating here: I spent the day with a friend from Germany and 4 other members of his family (also from Germany) and they all agreed (without my even bringing up the subject) that the vast majority of Europeans think Americans are crazy (their word) for nominating Donald Trump. They are perplexed that this could happen.
Was that before or after today's events?
I'm in Europe. It doesn't change a thing. Trump supporters are perpetuating the stereotype that Americans (and clearly some Canadians) are uneducated, immature and insular.
Haha....clearly some Canadians...Well played. That being said Europe has embraced that stereotype of Americans since 1776 and I do not imagine that it will ever change. I know that I did my "backpack" trip of europe during the Clinton administration and even then we were told to sew canadian flags on our packs so that god forbid we wouldn't be mistaken for being American. I wasn't mature enough back then to recognize what a slap in the face that was to the US but I certainly do now. What the people of Europe and globally should no longer be "perplexed" about is that the Trump voter has finally decided to tell you all to GFY. They don't care anymore. They look at the European project as one massively failed boondoggle and they are tired of backstopping it with their dollars and their soldiers. Now I personally don't like where that attitude is heading but Europe needs to know that they and the world have brought this upon themselves. You can't piss on Americans and their traditions for all eternity and then expect them to just shut up and maintain the status quo. It is not in their nature and if they come to the decision that your continent is no longer worth saving then they won't.
Europe is "one massively failed boondoggle"? You're telling us "what Europe needs to know"? Europeans are pissing on Americans and their traditions for all eternity? Having one mentally distured man go off his rocker and kill a bunch of people is something "they and the world have brought this upon themselves"?
Listen to yourself, man. You talk like the entire continent is one big massive blob of a creature. Maybe it's time to go back for another visit with the earnest intention of actually getting to know the place a little better.
The European Union is crumbling. Fact. Economy is in shamble and countries within need massive bailouts. Fact. There is a refugee crisis. Fact. Demographically it's citizens are not meeting population replacement rate necessary to sustain itself. Fact. Right wing parties that would make the American conservative movement look like pikers in comparison are on the rise. Fact. It's once potential new partner Turkey is in the midst of a massive crisis. Fact. Putin is testing it's boundaries in Ukraine and the Baltics. Fact. I have visited Europe many times. It is beautiful and cultured. However it has no capacity to deal with it's current problems. Scratch below the surface brianlux...it ain't as pretty as they would like you to believe.
To answer your facts:
1- The Union is not crumbling. Brexit was a blow but it is still strong. 2- The necessary bailouts were given years ago. Ireland, one of the bailout countries, has seen house prices steadily increasing since 2012 while the economy continues to grow. 3- Are you referring to birth rate of western european countries? Some countries have a very low birth rate but this won't affect them sustaining themselves monetarily, only culturally. Which isn't an issue as the world has been becoming more global for decades. 4- There are some scary right wing parties in Europe. Northern Italy has some serious fascists and they do influence politics but they always have. I wouldn't say they are on the rise. Unless you're referring to general xenophobia which unfortunately is growing. 5- It will be years, probably 10+ before Turkey meets the regulations to join the EU. With recent developments possibly longer. 6- Russia and Ukraine is a problem but Putin isn't going to war with Europe over it. 7- Nobody has the capacity to deal with a lunatic acquiring a handgun and shooting children in a McDonald's. 8- The world is struggling to deal with these problems. It is not inherent to Europe.
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brianlux
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I know you can't be neutral around here, but now this show is over what would any independent, neutral voters make of it? From the UK it is just seems equal parts dumb and scary, but will this inspire new voters for the usual post-convention polling bounce? Is there any impartial media reporting left to indicate any clues?
I mentioned this elsewhere but perhaps worth repeating here: I spent the day with a friend from Germany and 4 other members of his family (also from Germany) and they all agreed (without my even bringing up the subject) that the vast majority of Europeans think Americans are crazy (their word) for nominating Donald Trump. They are perplexed that this could happen.
Was that before or after today's events?
I'm in Europe. It doesn't change a thing. Trump supporters are perpetuating the stereotype that Americans (and clearly some Canadians) are uneducated, immature and insular.
Haha....clearly some Canadians...Well played. That being said Europe has embraced that stereotype of Americans since 1776 and I do not imagine that it will ever change. I know that I did my "backpack" trip of europe during the Clinton administration and even then we were told to sew canadian flags on our packs so that god forbid we wouldn't be mistaken for being American. I wasn't mature enough back then to recognize what a slap in the face that was to the US but I certainly do now. What the people of Europe and globally should no longer be "perplexed" about is that the Trump voter has finally decided to tell you all to GFY. They don't care anymore. They look at the European project as one massively failed boondoggle and they are tired of backstopping it with their dollars and their soldiers. Now I personally don't like where that attitude is heading but Europe needs to know that they and the world have brought this upon themselves. You can't piss on Americans and their traditions for all eternity and then expect them to just shut up and maintain the status quo. It is not in their nature and if they come to the decision that your continent is no longer worth saving then they won't.
Europe is "one massively failed boondoggle"? You're telling us "what Europe needs to know"? Europeans are pissing on Americans and their traditions for all eternity? Having one mentally distured man go off his rocker and kill a bunch of people is something "they and the world have brought this upon themselves"?
Listen to yourself, man. You talk like the entire continent is one big massive blob of a creature. Maybe it's time to go back for another visit with the earnest intention of actually getting to know the place a little better.
The European Union is crumbling. Fact. Economy is in shamble and countries within need massive bailouts. Fact. There is a refugee crisis. Fact. Demographically it's citizens are not meeting population replacement rate necessary to sustain itself. Fact. Right wing parties that would make the American conservative movement look like pikers in comparison are on the rise. Fact. It's once potential new partner Turkey is in the midst of a massive crisis. Fact. Putin is testing it's boundaries in Ukraine and the Baltics. Fact. I have visited Europe many times. It is beautiful and cultured. However it has no capacity to deal with it's current problems. Scratch below the surface brianlux...it ain't as pretty as they would like you to believe.
I never said it was pretty. Well, Florence sure is. What a city!
And we're not exactly dealing with our problems so well either. Surely you know that. Besides, the problems most parts of the world are facing are largely interconnected. None of us lives in a vacuum.
Scratch below the surface? Sure, like I scratch my ass.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I saw a hilarious/scary photo from the convention, it was two of the whitest people you can imagine holding signs that said "Latinos Para Trump" way up over their heads where the cameras could see them.
I saw a hilarious/scary photo from the convention, it was two of the whitest people you can imagine holding signs that said "Latinos Para Trump" way up over their heads where the cameras could see them.
I saw a hilarious/scary photo from the convention, it was two of the whitest people you can imagine holding signs that said "Latinos Para Trump" way up over their heads where the cameras could see them.
So?
Are they trying to hide their pasty skin from cameras w/ those ten gallon hats?
So people were allowed to bring firearms to the rnc and no shootings?
No, they were not allowed within a couple of blocks from the convention center. They also were not allowed in the convention center. At least that's what CNN reported.
will myself to find a home, a home within myself we will find a way, we will find our place
So people were allowed to bring firearms to the rnc and no shootings?
No, they were not allowed within a couple of blocks from the convention center. They also were not allowed in the convention center. At least that's what CNN reported.
Good to know. I didn't know how that played out. Thanks for the info bud.
got ya! but still, no mass shooting around the rnc even with all those scary "military" type weapons.
I agree 100%. There was supposed to be so much violence in Cleveland. They ended up with 23 or 24 arrests total, all for minor offenses. Let's see how Philly does, compared to Cleveland's #'s.
got ya! but still, no mass shooting around the rnc even with all those scary "military" type weapons.
I agree 100%. There was supposed to be so much violence in Cleveland. They ended up with 23 or 24 arrests total, all for minor offenses. Let's see how Philly does, compared to Cleveland's #'s.
A colleague of my moms is a sociologist and and was in Cleveland to study the protests and said they were a "dud". Getting to Philly tomorrow and will Be doing the same here.
got ya! but still, no mass shooting around the rnc even with all those scary "military" type weapons.
I agree 100%. There was supposed to be so much violence in Cleveland. They ended up with 23 or 24 arrests total, all for minor offenses. Let's see how Philly does, compared to Cleveland's #'s.
A colleague of my moms is a sociologist and and was in Cleveland to study the protests and said they were a "dud". Getting to Philly tomorrow and will Be doing the same here.
Ask her if she considers "open carry" a success. Pretty sure no one open carrying has gone rogue.
got ya! but still, no mass shooting around the rnc even with all those scary "military" type weapons.
I agree 100%. There was supposed to be so much violence in Cleveland. They ended up with 23 or 24 arrests total, all for minor offenses. Let's see how Philly does, compared to Cleveland's #'s.
A colleague of my moms is a sociologist and and was in Cleveland to study the protests and said they were a "dud". Getting to Philly tomorrow and will Be doing the same here.
Ask her if she considers "open carry" a success. Pretty sure no one open carrying has gone rogue.
I can, but considering it is an academic, sociologist at that, I am assuming they are pretty liberal.
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From the UK it is just seems equal parts dumb and scary, but will this inspire new voters for the usual post-convention polling bounce?
Is there any impartial media reporting left to indicate any clues?
I mentioned this elsewhere but perhaps worth repeating here: I spent the day with a friend from Germany and 4 other members of his family (also from Germany) and they all agreed (without my even bringing up the subject) that the vast majority of Europeans think Americans are crazy (their word) for nominating Donald Trump. They are perplexed that this could happen.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Before. I spent time with them here in California earlier this week. I haven't been in touch with them since the Munich incident but I have zero doubt it gives them or their fellow countrymen/Europeans in general any reason to feel any less certain that like this country is off it's rocker for nominating Donald Trump as the Republican candidate for President of The United States. In fact, if I had to guess I'd say, I'd guess they probably feel more so that way.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
we will find a way, we will find our place
Europe is "one massively failed boondoggle"? You're telling us "what Europe needs to know"? Europeans are pissing on Americans and their traditions for all eternity? Having one mentally distured man go off his rocker and kill a bunch of people is something "they and the world have brought this upon themselves"?
Listen to yourself, man. You talk like the entire continent is one big massive blob of a creature. Maybe it's time to go back for another visit with the earnest intention of actually getting to know the place a little better.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
1- The Union is not crumbling. Brexit was a blow but it is still strong.
2- The necessary bailouts were given years ago. Ireland, one of the bailout countries, has seen house prices steadily increasing since 2012 while the economy continues to grow.
3- Are you referring to birth rate of western european countries? Some countries have a very low birth rate but this won't affect them sustaining themselves monetarily, only culturally. Which isn't an issue as the world has been becoming more global for decades.
4- There are some scary right wing parties in Europe. Northern Italy has some serious fascists and they do influence politics but they always have. I wouldn't say they are on the rise. Unless you're referring to general xenophobia which unfortunately is growing.
5- It will be years, probably 10+ before Turkey meets the regulations to join the EU. With recent developments possibly longer.
6- Russia and Ukraine is a problem but Putin isn't going to war with Europe over it.
7- Nobody has the capacity to deal with a lunatic acquiring a handgun and shooting children in a McDonald's.
8- The world is struggling to deal with these problems. It is not inherent to Europe.
And we're not exactly dealing with our problems so well either. Surely you know that. Besides, the problems most parts of the world are facing are largely interconnected. None of us lives in a vacuum.
Scratch below the surface? Sure, like I scratch my ass.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
we will find a way, we will find our place
Guess she (pic below) isn't Latino, because of her skin color, huh?
we will find a way, we will find our place