We're talking about f**king bathrooms. If you got a noodle... go hang your noodle out where all the other noodles hang out. Look straight ahead while you do it and bingo... you've successfully pee'd.
School bathrooms are not teeming with thugs looking to club transgender people. They're typically very quiet places with most of the kids sitting in class. A transgender kid simply needs to ask if they can go to the washroom... walk to the washroom through the empty halls... walk into the empty washroom (there might be someone in there so say "Hi" if so)... and relieve themselves.
* Both the same issue... but essentially the same strategy for adults in the public setting. I'm pretty sure there are no scarlet letters indicating who's transitioning so even the worst asshole out there doesn't give a shit. If someone has already transitioned... go to new designation.
it's just not that cut and dried man, the human factor is way to bazar and the fact that it's been boy's in the boy's room and girls in the girls room since forever ! and accepted as so then why change it ? it's worked great all these years.
Godfather.
Yes, it is cut and dry. The only "human" factor that comes into play are the people that discriminate against the transgender community.
geeeeeze would you get off that discriminate thing ! whaaaa whaaaa whaaaa !!!!!! it's not discrimination at all ! it's people like you forcing your bullshit on people who don't want it ! get over yourself already !
Godfather.
What do you mean people like you ? Dude this law is discriminatory against a sect of humans ...
There are estimates that .3% of the US population is transgender. That is less than 1 million people in the country. I agree this is a non subject, however when the POTUS threatens to cut off funds for education it becomes everyones issue. Why should 99.7% of the people have to conform to the .3%?
You are clueless !!
So fill me in then. What am I missing? How many children are trans? Why should the POTUS threaten to withhold federal funding for eduction?
Basic rights for EVERY American. That's why.
Now understand you've had the privilege to be born a white heterosexual male so haven't needed any laws to protect you, but that's not the case for many.
I have to admit that I don't understand the transgender phenomenon very well. It sure seems to be trending lately and humans love trending.
Are we sure that 'transitioning' is a natural aspect of the human psyche and that instead of treating the confused human... we are entertaining something we shouldn't?
Does asking this question make me intolerant?
Intolerant? Not sure. Yet. We'll see.
Way I think of it is there are Billions of humans. Billions. Soooo inevitably brains and bodies will be switched. Sexual orientation will be switched or on sliding scale.
Just odds.
So now do we treat all as equals or do we squirm and get scared and then pass fked up laws due to our insecurities?
^^^ Agree. (Don't waste anymore time debating the religious nuts) Stupid people can't be corrected - like cows if you will.
religious nuts ??? AHHAHAHAHAHHAHHHA and we're talking about men who like to dress like women and in some cases have their junk surgically removed and get breast implants ? forgive for finding the ignorance of that statement hilarious.....but DAAAAAMMMMMN ! really ? HAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHA. and then they want to use the ladies room ??????? ohhhhhh dear that was great !!!! hahhahahhahhahahahah !!!!!!! and then want everybody else to look on as if nothing was wrong ???? (album quote from Frank Zappa "act like nothing's wrong") wow !!!!! oh man I can't stop laughing !
^^^ Agree. (Don't waste anymore time debating the religious nuts) Stupid people can't be corrected - like cows if you will.
religious nuts ??? AHHAHAHAHAHHAHHHA and we're talking about men who like to dress like women and in some cases have their junk surgically removed and get breast implants ? forgive for finding the ignorance of that statement hilarious.....but DAAAAAMMMMMN ! really ? HAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHA. and then they want to use the ladies room ??????? ohhhhhh dear that was great !!!! hahhahahhahhahahahah !!!!!!! and then want everybody else to look on as if nothing was wrong ???? (album quote from Frank Zappa "act like nothing's wrong") wow !!!!! oh man I can't stop laughing !
Godfather.
Congratulations GF you've finally hit a new low even for you.
^^^ Agree. (Don't waste anymore time debating the religious nuts) Stupid people can't be corrected - like cows if you will.
religious nuts ??? AHHAHAHAHAHHAHHHA and we're talking about men who like to dress like women and in some cases have their junk surgically removed and get breast implants ? forgive for finding the ignorance of that statement hilarious.....but DAAAAAMMMMMN ! really ? HAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHA. and then they want to use the ladies room ??????? ohhhhhh dear that was great !!!! hahhahahhahhahahahah !!!!!!! and then want everybody else to look on as if nothing was wrong ???? (album quote from Frank Zappa "act like nothing's wrong") wow !!!!! oh man I can't stop laughing !
Godfather.
Congratulations GF you've finally hit a new low even for you.
nahhhhhh, but how so ? I really think that was funny calling people religious nuts while talking about people that have issues of their own.....crap man you have to see the humor in that !
So now I am a white privileged religious nut? So since you do not agree you bash people with words. I have defended Gay rights, I have voted for gay marriage. From what I read and posted there are a lot of LGB that do not want the T in their group anymore. Some believe their fight is different. This issue was not even on my radar until the POTUS threatened to withhold federal funding from schools and receiving a letter form my kids schools on transgender bathrooms.
96 Randall's Island II
98 CAA
00 Virginia Beach;Camden I; Jones Beach III
05 Borgata Night I; Wachovia Center
06 Letterman Show; Webcast (guy in blue shirt), Camden I; DC
08 Camden I; Camden II; DC
09 Phillie III
10 MSG II
13 Wrigley Field
16 Phillie II
96 Randall's Island II
98 CAA
00 Virginia Beach;Camden I; Jones Beach III
05 Borgata Night I; Wachovia Center
06 Letterman Show; Webcast (guy in blue shirt), Camden I; DC
08 Camden I; Camden II; DC
09 Phillie III
10 MSG II
13 Wrigley Field
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^^^ Agree. (Don't waste anymore time debating the religious nuts) Stupid people can't be corrected - like cows if you will.
religious nuts ??? AHHAHAHAHAHHAHHHA and we're talking about men who like to dress like women and in some cases have their junk surgically removed and get breast implants ? forgive for finding the ignorance of that statement hilarious.....but DAAAAAMMMMMN ! really ? HAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHA. and then they want to use the ladies room ??????? ohhhhhh dear that was great !!!! hahhahahhahhahahahah !!!!!!! and then want everybody else to look on as if nothing was wrong ???? (album quote from Frank Zappa "act like nothing's wrong") wow !!!!! oh man I can't stop laughing !
Godfather.
Congratulations GF you've finally hit a new low even for you.
nahhhhhh, but how so ? I really think that was funny calling people religious nuts while talking about people that have issues of their own.....crap man you have to see the humor in that !
Godfather.
guess you missed this part....
"we're talking about men who like to dress like women and in some cases have their junk surgically removed and get breast implants ? forgive for finding the ignorance of that statement hilarious.....but DAAAAAMMMMMN ! really ? HAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHA. and then they want to use the ladies room ??????? "
So now I am a white privileged religious nut? So since you do not agree you bash people with words. I have defended Gay rights, I have voted for gay marriage. From what I read and posted there are a lot of LGB that do not want the T in their group anymore. Some believe their fight is different. This issue was not even on my radar until the POTUS threatened to withhold federal funding from schools and receiving a letter form my kids schools on transgender bathrooms.
Dirty_Frank this is the perfect thread and statement to show the line between bigot and "good person" it's o.k to use slurs agents people with a religious nature but if we say something off color about LBGT whole forum goes nuts ! that statement lends a hand to
^^^ Agree. (Don't waste anymore time debating the religious nuts) Stupid people can't be corrected - like cows if you will.
religious nuts ??? AHHAHAHAHAHHAHHHA and we're talking about men who like to dress like women and in some cases have their junk surgically removed and get breast implants ? forgive for finding the ignorance of that statement hilarious.....but DAAAAAMMMMMN ! really ? HAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHA. and then they want to use the ladies room ??????? ohhhhhh dear that was great !!!! hahhahahhahhahahahah !!!!!!! and then want everybody else to look on as if nothing was wrong ???? (album quote from Frank Zappa "act like nothing's wrong") wow !!!!! oh man I can't stop laughing !
Godfather.
Congratulations GF you've finally hit a new low even for you.
nahhhhhh, but how so ? I really think that was funny calling people religious nuts while talking about people that have issues of their own.....crap man you have to see the humor in that !
Godfather.
guess you missed this part....
"we're talking about men who like to dress like women and in some cases have their junk surgically removed and get breast implants ? forgive for finding the ignorance of that statement hilarious.....but DAAAAAMMMMMN ! really ? HAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHA. and then they want to use the ladies room ??????? "
I still don't see the problem, do you think calling people religious nuts and comparing them to cows is different ? or is that sort of "bigotry" or "discrimination" acceptable here on the train ? and besides I just found the whole thing humorous considering earlier topic's and debates that have been discussed here about bigotry and discrimination, I have no hard feeling over this at all, in fact I really enjoyed the laugh.
^^^ Agree. (Don't waste anymore time debating the religious nuts) Stupid people can't be corrected - like cows if you will.
religious nuts ??? AHHAHAHAHAHHAHHHA and we're talking about men who like to dress like women and in some cases have their junk surgically removed and get breast implants ? forgive for finding the ignorance of that statement hilarious.....but DAAAAAMMMMMN ! really ? HAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHA. and then they want to use the ladies room ??????? ohhhhhh dear that was great !!!! hahhahahhahhahahahah !!!!!!! and then want everybody else to look on as if nothing was wrong ???? (album quote from Frank Zappa "act like nothing's wrong") wow !!!!! oh man I can't stop laughing !
^^^ Agree. (Don't waste anymore time debating the religious nuts) Stupid people can't be corrected - like cows if you will.
religious nuts ??? AHHAHAHAHAHHAHHHA and we're talking about men who like to dress like women and in some cases have their junk surgically removed and get breast implants ? forgive for finding the ignorance of that statement hilarious.....but DAAAAAMMMMMN ! really ? HAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHA. and then they want to use the ladies room ??????? ohhhhhh dear that was great !!!! hahhahahhahhahahahah !!!!!!! and then want everybody else to look on as if nothing was wrong ???? (album quote from Frank Zappa "act like nothing's wrong") wow !!!!! oh man I can't stop laughing !
Godfather.
Yet you believe in an invisible man in the sky. Who's the ignorant one?
will myself to find a home, a home within myself we will find a way, we will find our place
^^^ Agree. (Don't waste anymore time debating the religious nuts) Stupid people can't be corrected - like cows if you will.
religious nuts ??? AHHAHAHAHAHHAHHHA and we're talking about men who like to dress like women and in some cases have their junk surgically removed and get breast implants ? forgive for finding the ignorance of that statement hilarious.....but DAAAAAMMMMMN ! really ? HAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHA. and then they want to use the ladies room ??????? ohhhhhh dear that was great !!!! hahhahahhahhahahahah !!!!!!! and then want everybody else to look on as if nothing was wrong ???? (album quote from Frank Zappa "act like nothing's wrong") wow !!!!! oh man I can't stop laughing !
Godfather.
Yet you believe in an invisible man in the sky. Who's the ignorant one?
that's it......all you got ? stop being so discriminant your hurting my feelings.......LOL !!!!! how about a little humble pie with a heaping helping of crow HAHAHAHAHHAHHHHA !!!!!!
What the hell is the difference if it's biological or psychological if people are born that way?? If you're born that way, and it is something in your brain that determines that you're transgendered, does that kind of mean it's biological anyhow?? Either way, who cares? I am pretty sure that the argument of "well they need psychological help" seems like a pretty insulting and offensive viewpoint IMO. That's what the religious wackos still say about gays, and they ship their kids off to camps the get "reconditioned". This is considered to be child abuse by most people.
You're all over the place with this one.
There's all kinds of therapies, medications, and treatments for all kinds of things.
If a person born with male genitalia develops the mindset where they think they are a woman and it is established that this is psychological... would therapy or drugs having the effect of reaffirming one's gender be a more suitable course of action than surgery? Or is it no big deal and if a male thinks they are a female... replace their organs and simply make them a female?
The only point I am trying to make is posing the idea that perhaps there is a better way than reconstructive surgery. Are we sure we got this figured out? I'm hearing from you and a few others that you're sure we do. I'm not convinced, but I'm certainly not going to be the fly in the ointment.
If someone with a penis thinks they are a female and want their organs removed... hack away. It won't bother me.
I'm not all over the place with it at all. I'm specifically talking about being bored wired a certain way like gays and transgendered people are. I'm not talking about mental illness. Surely we're beyond THAT kind of thinking by now?
As for reassignment surgery..... that is absolutely NOBODY'S business but the person who wants/needs the surgery. If that seems a legitimate way to handle their transgenderism (word??), then how is that worse than medicating the shit out of someone or telling them to seek therapy when they don't want to change they way they think or feel?? It is their bodies that feel wrong, not their minds. When your mind feels wrong, you medicate. When your body feels wrong, you fix your body. Makes perfect sense, and I don't even know why people are considering shit like therapy or drugs as a course of action. I find it incredibly insensitive.
If the body has male sex organs but the mind thinks the body is female, wouldn't it be more reasonable to say the disconnect is with the mind? It doesn't seem unreasonable to think that perhaps there is some chemical inbalance that can be treated with drugs. Right or wrong, I don't think it is insensitive to ask the question.
So your saying that transgender people are sick? Is that the same for gay people?
So what is the solution for a schizophrenic? For a bi-polar disorder? For severe depression? These are all issues where there is a mental disorder that are treated with drugs.
Now before you go nuts on me, I'm not trying to paint something as positive or negative but am just trying to have a discussion and try to maybe understand why you think (or why it just is) that someone who is in a man's body but mentally thinks they are a woman could not be considered a mental disorder like the ones mentioned above? I am sorry if I offend, but to me why is it so insensitive to ask the question whether being transgender is due to a mental disorder when it is so rare (.3% of population per Google), but being bi-polar is clearly considered a mental disorder and is less rare than being transgender. Is it because being transgender doesn't lead to crazy, erratic behavior like a Schizophrenic that it is not viewed as a mental disorder?
Again, I'm not saying that transgender people need to take drugs, but I don't think it is insensitive to try to understand where the disconnect is created between the mind and body, and what is the appropriate way to fix it (if it even should be fixed).
What the hell is the difference if it's biological or psychological if people are born that way?? If you're born that way, and it is something in your brain that determines that you're transgendered, does that kind of mean it's biological anyhow?? Either way, who cares? I am pretty sure that the argument of "well they need psychological help" seems like a pretty insulting and offensive viewpoint IMO. That's what the religious wackos still say about gays, and they ship their kids off to camps the get "reconditioned". This is considered to be child abuse by most people.
You're all over the place with this one.
There's all kinds of therapies, medications, and treatments for all kinds of things.
If a person born with male genitalia develops the mindset where they think they are a woman and it is established that this is psychological... would therapy or drugs having the effect of reaffirming one's gender be a more suitable course of action than surgery? Or is it no big deal and if a male thinks they are a female... replace their organs and simply make them a female?
The only point I am trying to make is posing the idea that perhaps there is a better way than reconstructive surgery. Are we sure we got this figured out? I'm hearing from you and a few others that you're sure we do. I'm not convinced, but I'm certainly not going to be the fly in the ointment.
If someone with a penis thinks they are a female and want their organs removed... hack away. It won't bother me.
I'm not all over the place with it at all. I'm specifically talking about being bored wired a certain way like gays and transgendered people are. I'm not talking about mental illness. Surely we're beyond THAT kind of thinking by now?
As for reassignment surgery..... that is absolutely NOBODY'S business but the person who wants/needs the surgery. If that seems a legitimate way to handle their transgenderism (word??), then how is that worse than medicating the shit out of someone or telling them to seek therapy when they don't want to change they way they think or feel?? It is their bodies that feel wrong, not their minds. When your mind feels wrong, you medicate. When your body feels wrong, you fix your body. Makes perfect sense, and I don't even know why people are considering shit like therapy or drugs as a course of action. I find it incredibly insensitive.
If the body has male sex organs but the mind thinks the body is female, wouldn't it be more reasonable to say the disconnect is with the mind? It doesn't seem unreasonable to think that perhaps there is some chemical inbalance that can be treated with drugs. Right or wrong, I don't think it is insensitive to ask the question.
So your saying that transgender people are sick? Is that the same for gay people?
So what is the solution for a schizophrenic? For a bi-polar disorder? For severe depression? These are all issues where there is a mental disorder that are treated with drugs.
Now before you go nuts on me, I'm not trying to paint something as positive or negative but am just trying to have a discussion and try to maybe understand why you think (or why it just is) that someone who is in a man's body but mentally thinks they are a woman could not be considered a mental disorder like the ones mentioned above? I am sorry if I offend, but to me why is it so insensitive to ask the question whether being transgender is due to a mental disorder when it is so rare (.3% of population per Google), but being bi-polar is clearly considered a mental disorder and is less rare than being transgender. Is it because being transgender doesn't lead to crazy, erratic behavior like a Schizophrenic that it is not viewed as a mental disorder?
Again, I'm not saying that transgender people need to take drugs, but I don't think it is insensitive to try to understand where the disconnect is created between the mind and body, and what is the appropriate way to fix it (if it even should be fixed).
I am ready for the arrows....
I don't wanna think, I wanna feel How do I feel? How do I?...
What the hell is the difference if it's biological or psychological if people are born that way?? If you're born that way, and it is something in your brain that determines that you're transgendered, does that kind of mean it's biological anyhow?? Either way, who cares? I am pretty sure that the argument of "well they need psychological help" seems like a pretty insulting and offensive viewpoint IMO. That's what the religious wackos still say about gays, and they ship their kids off to camps the get "reconditioned". This is considered to be child abuse by most people.
You're all over the place with this one.
There's all kinds of therapies, medications, and treatments for all kinds of things.
If a person born with male genitalia develops the mindset where they think they are a woman and it is established that this is psychological... would therapy or drugs having the effect of reaffirming one's gender be a more suitable course of action than surgery? Or is it no big deal and if a male thinks they are a female... replace their organs and simply make them a female?
The only point I am trying to make is posing the idea that perhaps there is a better way than reconstructive surgery. Are we sure we got this figured out? I'm hearing from you and a few others that you're sure we do. I'm not convinced, but I'm certainly not going to be the fly in the ointment.
If someone with a penis thinks they are a female and want their organs removed... hack away. It won't bother me.
I'm not all over the place with it at all. I'm specifically talking about being bored wired a certain way like gays and transgendered people are. I'm not talking about mental illness. Surely we're beyond THAT kind of thinking by now?
As for reassignment surgery..... that is absolutely NOBODY'S business but the person who wants/needs the surgery. If that seems a legitimate way to handle their transgenderism (word??), then how is that worse than medicating the shit out of someone or telling them to seek therapy when they don't want to change they way they think or feel?? It is their bodies that feel wrong, not their minds. When your mind feels wrong, you medicate. When your body feels wrong, you fix your body. Makes perfect sense, and I don't even know why people are considering shit like therapy or drugs as a course of action. I find it incredibly insensitive.
If the body has male sex organs but the mind thinks the body is female, wouldn't it be more reasonable to say the disconnect is with the mind? It doesn't seem unreasonable to think that perhaps there is some chemical inbalance that can be treated with drugs. Right or wrong, I don't think it is insensitive to ask the question.
So your saying that transgender people are sick? Is that the same for gay people?
So what is the solution for a schizophrenic? For a bi-polar disorder? For severe depression? These are all issues where there is a mental disorder that are treated with drugs.
Now before you go nuts on me, I'm not trying to paint something as positive or negative but am just trying to have a discussion and try to maybe understand why you think (or why it just is) that someone who is in a man's body but mentally thinks they are a woman could not be considered a mental disorder like the ones mentioned above? I am sorry if I offend, but to me why is it so insensitive to ask the question whether being transgender is due to a mental disorder when it is so rare (.3% of population per Google), but being bi-polar is clearly considered a mental disorder and is less rare than being transgender. Is it because being transgender doesn't lead to crazy, erratic behavior like a Schizophrenic that it is not viewed as a mental disorder?
Again, I'm not saying that transgender people need to take drugs, but I don't think it is insensitive to try to understand where the disconnect is created between the mind and body, and what is the appropriate way to fix it (if it even should be fixed).
I am ready for the arrows....
I don't wanna think, I wanna feel How do I feel? How do I?...
What the hell is the difference if it's biological or psychological if people are born that way?? If you're born that way, and it is something in your brain that determines that you're transgendered, does that kind of mean it's biological anyhow?? Either way, who cares? I am pretty sure that the argument of "well they need psychological help" seems like a pretty insulting and offensive viewpoint IMO. That's what the religious wackos still say about gays, and they ship their kids off to camps the get "reconditioned". This is considered to be child abuse by most people.
You're all over the place with this one.
There's all kinds of therapies, medications, and treatments for all kinds of things.
If a person born with male genitalia develops the mindset where they think they are a woman and it is established that this is psychological... would therapy or drugs having the effect of reaffirming one's gender be a more suitable course of action than surgery? Or is it no big deal and if a male thinks they are a female... replace their organs and simply make them a female?
The only point I am trying to make is posing the idea that perhaps there is a better way than reconstructive surgery. Are we sure we got this figured out? I'm hearing from you and a few others that you're sure we do. I'm not convinced, but I'm certainly not going to be the fly in the ointment.
If someone with a penis thinks they are a female and want their organs removed... hack away. It won't bother me.
I'm not all over the place with it at all. I'm specifically talking about being bored wired a certain way like gays and transgendered people are. I'm not talking about mental illness. Surely we're beyond THAT kind of thinking by now?
As for reassignment surgery..... that is absolutely NOBODY'S business but the person who wants/needs the surgery. If that seems a legitimate way to handle their transgenderism (word??), then how is that worse than medicating the shit out of someone or telling them to seek therapy when they don't want to change they way they think or feel?? It is their bodies that feel wrong, not their minds. When your mind feels wrong, you medicate. When your body feels wrong, you fix your body. Makes perfect sense, and I don't even know why people are considering shit like therapy or drugs as a course of action. I find it incredibly insensitive.
If the body has male sex organs but the mind thinks the body is female, wouldn't it be more reasonable to say the disconnect is with the mind? It doesn't seem unreasonable to think that perhaps there is some chemical inbalance that can be treated with drugs. Right or wrong, I don't think it is insensitive to ask the question.
So your saying that transgender people are sick? Is that the same for gay people?
So what is the solution for a schizophrenic? For a bi-polar disorder? For severe depression? These are all issues where there is a mental disorder that are treated with drugs.
Now before you go nuts on me, I'm not trying to paint something as positive or negative but am just trying to have a discussion and try to maybe understand why you think (or why it just is) that someone who is in a man's body but mentally thinks they are a woman could not be considered a mental disorder like the ones mentioned above? I am sorry if I offend, but to me why is it so insensitive to ask the question whether being transgender is due to a mental disorder when it is so rare (.3% of population per Google), but being bi-polar is clearly considered a mental disorder and is less rare than being transgender. Is it because being transgender doesn't lead to crazy, erratic behavior like a Schizophrenic that it is not viewed as a mental disorder?
Again, I'm not saying that transgender people need to take drugs, but I don't think it is insensitive to try to understand where the disconnect is created between the mind and body, and what is the appropriate way to fix it (if it even should be fixed).
I am ready for the arrows....
I don't wanna think, I wanna feel How do I feel? How do I?...
Why are people attacking peoples religious beliefs on this platform? Absolutely uncalled for! Come on guys!! Someone's beliefs are just that "theirs". It doesn't make them less intelligent. If an athiest calls people of faith ignorant, while the religious call the athiest lost, what's the difference? Try respecting everyone's personal beliefs. That's what's wrong here. Everyone thinks their right.. Seems pretentious!!
What the hell is the difference if it's biological or psychological if people are born that way?? If you're born that way, and it is something in your brain that determines that you're transgendered, does that kind of mean it's biological anyhow?? Either way, who cares? I am pretty sure that the argument of "well they need psychological help" seems like a pretty insulting and offensive viewpoint IMO. That's what the religious wackos still say about gays, and they ship their kids off to camps the get "reconditioned". This is considered to be child abuse by most people.
You're all over the place with this one.
There's all kinds of therapies, medications, and treatments for all kinds of things.
If a person born with male genitalia develops the mindset where they think they are a woman and it is established that this is psychological... would therapy or drugs having the effect of reaffirming one's gender be a more suitable course of action than surgery? Or is it no big deal and if a male thinks they are a female... replace their organs and simply make them a female?
The only point I am trying to make is posing the idea that perhaps there is a better way than reconstructive surgery. Are we sure we got this figured out? I'm hearing from you and a few others that you're sure we do. I'm not convinced, but I'm certainly not going to be the fly in the ointment.
If someone with a penis thinks they are a female and want their organs removed... hack away. It won't bother me.
I'm not all over the place with it at all. I'm specifically talking about being bored wired a certain way like gays and transgendered people are. I'm not talking about mental illness. Surely we're beyond THAT kind of thinking by now?
As for reassignment surgery..... that is absolutely NOBODY'S business but the person who wants/needs the surgery. If that seems a legitimate way to handle their transgenderism (word??), then how is that worse than medicating the shit out of someone or telling them to seek therapy when they don't want to change they way they think or feel?? It is their bodies that feel wrong, not their minds. When your mind feels wrong, you medicate. When your body feels wrong, you fix your body. Makes perfect sense, and I don't even know why people are considering shit like therapy or drugs as a course of action. I find it incredibly insensitive.
If the body has male sex organs but the mind thinks the body is female, wouldn't it be more reasonable to say the disconnect is with the mind? It doesn't seem unreasonable to think that perhaps there is some chemical inbalance that can be treated with drugs. Right or wrong, I don't think it is insensitive to ask the question.
So your saying that transgender people are sick? Is that the same for gay people?
So what is the solution for a schizophrenic? For a bi-polar disorder? For severe depression? These are all issues where there is a mental disorder that are treated with drugs.
Now before you go nuts on me, I'm not trying to paint something as positive or negative but am just trying to have a discussion and try to maybe understand why you think (or why it just is) that someone who is in a man's body but mentally thinks they are a woman could not be considered a mental disorder like the ones mentioned above? I am sorry if I offend, but to me why is it so insensitive to ask the question whether being transgender is due to a mental disorder when it is so rare (.3% of population per Google), but being bi-polar is clearly considered a mental disorder and is less rare than being transgender. Is it because being transgender doesn't lead to crazy, erratic behavior like a Schizophrenic that it is not viewed as a mental disorder?
Again, I'm not saying that transgender people need to take drugs, but I don't think it is insensitive to try to understand where the disconnect is created between the mind and body, and what is the appropriate way to fix it (if it even should be fixed).
I am ready for the arrows....
Where do mental disorders begin then? If only .3% of the population likes cherries on their ice cream, do they have a mental disorder?
I believe we all have some sort of mental illness. I just don't think being a woman trapped in a man's body (or vice versa) is one of them.
will myself to find a home, a home within myself we will find a way, we will find our place
Why are people attacking peoples religious beliefs on this platform? Absolutely uncalled for! Come on guys!! Someone's beliefs are just that "theirs". It doesn't make them less intelligent. If an athiest calls people of faith ignorant, while the religious call the athiest lost, what's the difference? Try respecting everyone's personal beliefs. That's what's wrong here. Everyone thinks their right.. Seems pretentious!!
People that have a deeper understanding of the world and science have trouble comprehending the fact that there are people that believe in Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, old grey haired men floating in clouds, and these kinds of things.
What the hell is the difference if it's biological or psychological if people are born that way?? If you're born that way, and it is something in your brain that determines that you're transgendered, does that kind of mean it's biological anyhow?? Either way, who cares? I am pretty sure that the argument of "well they need psychological help" seems like a pretty insulting and offensive viewpoint IMO. That's what the religious wackos still say about gays, and they ship their kids off to camps the get "reconditioned". This is considered to be child abuse by most people.
You're all over the place with this one.
There's all kinds of therapies, medications, and treatments for all kinds of things.
If a person born with male genitalia develops the mindset where they think they are a woman and it is established that this is psychological... would therapy or drugs having the effect of reaffirming one's gender be a more suitable course of action than surgery? Or is it no big deal and if a male thinks they are a female... replace their organs and simply make them a female?
The only point I am trying to make is posing the idea that perhaps there is a better way than reconstructive surgery. Are we sure we got this figured out? I'm hearing from you and a few others that you're sure we do. I'm not convinced, but I'm certainly not going to be the fly in the ointment.
If someone with a penis thinks they are a female and want their organs removed... hack away. It won't bother me.
I'm not all over the place with it at all. I'm specifically talking about being bored wired a certain way like gays and transgendered people are. I'm not talking about mental illness. Surely we're beyond THAT kind of thinking by now?
As for reassignment surgery..... that is absolutely NOBODY'S business but the person who wants/needs the surgery. If that seems a legitimate way to handle their transgenderism (word??), then how is that worse than medicating the shit out of someone or telling them to seek therapy when they don't want to change they way they think or feel?? It is their bodies that feel wrong, not their minds. When your mind feels wrong, you medicate. When your body feels wrong, you fix your body. Makes perfect sense, and I don't even know why people are considering shit like therapy or drugs as a course of action. I find it incredibly insensitive.
If the body has male sex organs but the mind thinks the body is female, wouldn't it be more reasonable to say the disconnect is with the mind? It doesn't seem unreasonable to think that perhaps there is some chemical inbalance that can be treated with drugs. Right or wrong, I don't think it is insensitive to ask the question.
So your saying that transgender people are sick? Is that the same for gay people?
So what is the solution for a schizophrenic? For a bi-polar disorder? For severe depression? These are all issues where there is a mental disorder that are treated with drugs.
Now before you go nuts on me, I'm not trying to paint something as positive or negative but am just trying to have a discussion and try to maybe understand why you think (or why it just is) that someone who is in a man's body but mentally thinks they are a woman could not be considered a mental disorder like the ones mentioned above? I am sorry if I offend, but to me why is it so insensitive to ask the question whether being transgender is due to a mental disorder when it is so rare (.3% of population per Google), but being bi-polar is clearly considered a mental disorder and is less rare than being transgender. Is it because being transgender doesn't lead to crazy, erratic behavior like a Schizophrenic that it is not viewed as a mental disorder?
Again, I'm not saying that transgender people need to take drugs, but I don't think it is insensitive to try to understand where the disconnect is created between the mind and body, and what is the appropriate way to fix it (if it even should be fixed).
I am ready for the arrows....
Where do mental disorders begin then? If only .3% of the population likes cherries on their ice cream, do they have a mental disorder?
I believe we all have some sort of mental illness. I just don't think being a woman trapped in a man's body (or vice versa) is one of them.
Not liking ice cream is pretty minor compared to schizophrenia or believing you are a man in a woman's body. The solution is don't eat ice cream. The solution to schizophrenia is you take action and take medication or else suffer from perhaps not being able to function in society and take proper care of yourself. So I think there should be a line for something being called a mental illness.
I understand the thought process though where the mind takes priority over the body and surgery is the answer for a transgender person.
What the hell is the difference if it's biological or psychological if people are born that way?? If you're born that way, and it is something in your brain that determines that you're transgendered, does that kind of mean it's biological anyhow?? Either way, who cares? I am pretty sure that the argument of "well they need psychological help" seems like a pretty insulting and offensive viewpoint IMO. That's what the religious wackos still say about gays, and they ship their kids off to camps the get "reconditioned". This is considered to be child abuse by most people.
You're all over the place with this one.
There's all kinds of therapies, medications, and treatments for all kinds of things.
If a person born with male genitalia develops the mindset where they think they are a woman and it is established that this is psychological... would therapy or drugs having the effect of reaffirming one's gender be a more suitable course of action than surgery? Or is it no big deal and if a male thinks they are a female... replace their organs and simply make them a female?
The only point I am trying to make is posing the idea that perhaps there is a better way than reconstructive surgery. Are we sure we got this figured out? I'm hearing from you and a few others that you're sure we do. I'm not convinced, but I'm certainly not going to be the fly in the ointment.
If someone with a penis thinks they are a female and want their organs removed... hack away. It won't bother me.
I'm not all over the place with it at all. I'm specifically talking about being bored wired a certain way like gays and transgendered people are. I'm not talking about mental illness. Surely we're beyond THAT kind of thinking by now?
As for reassignment surgery..... that is absolutely NOBODY'S business but the person who wants/needs the surgery. If that seems a legitimate way to handle their transgenderism (word??), then how is that worse than medicating the shit out of someone or telling them to seek therapy when they don't want to change they way they think or feel?? It is their bodies that feel wrong, not their minds. When your mind feels wrong, you medicate. When your body feels wrong, you fix your body. Makes perfect sense, and I don't even know why people are considering shit like therapy or drugs as a course of action. I find it incredibly insensitive.
What's with the consistent connection with homosexuality when discussing transgender issues? Transgender issues have nothing to do with homosexuality as far as I know. And when you speak of insensitivity... I'm not sure how I would feel if I was gay and reading these posts that seem to suggest I'm different as you framed it: 'being born wired a certain way like gays and transgendered people are.'
The consistent connection comes from the discrimination that both groups suffer, first and foremost. The other connection is that both groups are born that way, i.e. neither is a choice, neither is a mental illness. It IS called the LGBTQ community. THEY all know what the connection is, even if you don't.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
What the hell is the difference if it's biological or psychological if people are born that way?? If you're born that way, and it is something in your brain that determines that you're transgendered, does that kind of mean it's biological anyhow?? Either way, who cares? I am pretty sure that the argument of "well they need psychological help" seems like a pretty insulting and offensive viewpoint IMO. That's what the religious wackos still say about gays, and they ship their kids off to camps the get "reconditioned". This is considered to be child abuse by most people.
You're all over the place with this one.
There's all kinds of therapies, medications, and treatments for all kinds of things.
If a person born with male genitalia develops the mindset where they think they are a woman and it is established that this is psychological... would therapy or drugs having the effect of reaffirming one's gender be a more suitable course of action than surgery? Or is it no big deal and if a male thinks they are a female... replace their organs and simply make them a female?
The only point I am trying to make is posing the idea that perhaps there is a better way than reconstructive surgery. Are we sure we got this figured out? I'm hearing from you and a few others that you're sure we do. I'm not convinced, but I'm certainly not going to be the fly in the ointment.
If someone with a penis thinks they are a female and want their organs removed... hack away. It won't bother me.
I'm not all over the place with it at all. I'm specifically talking about being bored wired a certain way like gays and transgendered people are. I'm not talking about mental illness. Surely we're beyond THAT kind of thinking by now?
As for reassignment surgery..... that is absolutely NOBODY'S business but the person who wants/needs the surgery. If that seems a legitimate way to handle their transgenderism (word??), then how is that worse than medicating the shit out of someone or telling them to seek therapy when they don't want to change they way they think or feel?? It is their bodies that feel wrong, not their minds. When your mind feels wrong, you medicate. When your body feels wrong, you fix your body. Makes perfect sense, and I don't even know why people are considering shit like therapy or drugs as a course of action. I find it incredibly insensitive.
If the body has male sex organs but the mind thinks the body is female, wouldn't it be more reasonable to say the disconnect is with the mind? It doesn't seem unreasonable to think that perhaps there is some chemical inbalance that can be treated with drugs. Right or wrong, I don't think it is insensitive to ask the question.
So your saying that transgender people are sick? Is that the same for gay people?
Again... exactly why are people associating transgender people with gay people?
What exactly are you having a problem with here? That you think this is some kind of valid point you're making kind of shows how little you understand about the whole thing.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
What the hell is the difference if it's biological or psychological if people are born that way?? If you're born that way, and it is something in your brain that determines that you're transgendered, does that kind of mean it's biological anyhow?? Either way, who cares? I am pretty sure that the argument of "well they need psychological help" seems like a pretty insulting and offensive viewpoint IMO. That's what the religious wackos still say about gays, and they ship their kids off to camps the get "reconditioned". This is considered to be child abuse by most people.
You're all over the place with this one.
There's all kinds of therapies, medications, and treatments for all kinds of things.
If a person born with male genitalia develops the mindset where they think they are a woman and it is established that this is psychological... would therapy or drugs having the effect of reaffirming one's gender be a more suitable course of action than surgery? Or is it no big deal and if a male thinks they are a female... replace their organs and simply make them a female?
The only point I am trying to make is posing the idea that perhaps there is a better way than reconstructive surgery. Are we sure we got this figured out? I'm hearing from you and a few others that you're sure we do. I'm not convinced, but I'm certainly not going to be the fly in the ointment.
If someone with a penis thinks they are a female and want their organs removed... hack away. It won't bother me.
I'm not all over the place with it at all. I'm specifically talking about being bored wired a certain way like gays and transgendered people are. I'm not talking about mental illness. Surely we're beyond THAT kind of thinking by now?
As for reassignment surgery..... that is absolutely NOBODY'S business but the person who wants/needs the surgery. If that seems a legitimate way to handle their transgenderism (word??), then how is that worse than medicating the shit out of someone or telling them to seek therapy when they don't want to change they way they think or feel?? It is their bodies that feel wrong, not their minds. When your mind feels wrong, you medicate. When your body feels wrong, you fix your body. Makes perfect sense, and I don't even know why people are considering shit like therapy or drugs as a course of action. I find it incredibly insensitive.
If the body has male sex organs but the mind thinks the body is female, wouldn't it be more reasonable to say the disconnect is with the mind? It doesn't seem unreasonable to think that perhaps there is some chemical inbalance that can be treated with drugs. Right or wrong, I don't think it is insensitive to ask the question.
So your saying that transgender people are sick? Is that the same for gay people?
Again... exactly why are people associating transgender people with gay people?
What exactly are you having a problem with here? That you think this is some kind of valid point you're making kind of shows how little you understand about the whole thing.
I don't know much about the whole thing, but don't pretend you do.
Sexual preference versus gender confusion- two completely different things in my mind.
What the hell is the difference if it's biological or psychological if people are born that way?? If you're born that way, and it is something in your brain that determines that you're transgendered, does that kind of mean it's biological anyhow?? Either way, who cares? I am pretty sure that the argument of "well they need psychological help" seems like a pretty insulting and offensive viewpoint IMO. That's what the religious wackos still say about gays, and they ship their kids off to camps the get "reconditioned". This is considered to be child abuse by most people.
You're all over the place with this one.
There's all kinds of therapies, medications, and treatments for all kinds of things.
If a person born with male genitalia develops the mindset where they think they are a woman and it is established that this is psychological... would therapy or drugs having the effect of reaffirming one's gender be a more suitable course of action than surgery? Or is it no big deal and if a male thinks they are a female... replace their organs and simply make them a female?
The only point I am trying to make is posing the idea that perhaps there is a better way than reconstructive surgery. Are we sure we got this figured out? I'm hearing from you and a few others that you're sure we do. I'm not convinced, but I'm certainly not going to be the fly in the ointment.
If someone with a penis thinks they are a female and want their organs removed... hack away. It won't bother me.
I'm not all over the place with it at all. I'm specifically talking about being bored wired a certain way like gays and transgendered people are. I'm not talking about mental illness. Surely we're beyond THAT kind of thinking by now?
As for reassignment surgery..... that is absolutely NOBODY'S business but the person who wants/needs the surgery. If that seems a legitimate way to handle their transgenderism (word??), then how is that worse than medicating the shit out of someone or telling them to seek therapy when they don't want to change they way they think or feel?? It is their bodies that feel wrong, not their minds. When your mind feels wrong, you medicate. When your body feels wrong, you fix your body. Makes perfect sense, and I don't even know why people are considering shit like therapy or drugs as a course of action. I find it incredibly insensitive.
If the body has male sex organs but the mind thinks the body is female, wouldn't it be more reasonable to say the disconnect is with the mind? It doesn't seem unreasonable to think that perhaps there is some chemical inbalance that can be treated with drugs. Right or wrong, I don't think it is insensitive to ask the question.
So your saying that transgender people are sick? Is that the same for gay people?
Again... exactly why are people associating transgender people with gay people?
What exactly are you having a problem with here? That you think this is some kind of valid point you're making kind of shows how little you understand about the whole thing.
I don't know much about the whole thing, but don't pretend you do.
Sexual preference versus gender confusion- two completely different things in my mind.
Don't pretend I do? Sorry, but I do, as much as a person can without actually being gay or transgendered.
And yeah no shit being gay is different from being transgendered. You are COMPLETELY missing the point.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
What the hell is the difference if it's biological or psychological if people are born that way?? If you're born that way, and it is something in your brain that determines that you're transgendered, does that kind of mean it's biological anyhow?? Either way, who cares? I am pretty sure that the argument of "well they need psychological help" seems like a pretty insulting and offensive viewpoint IMO. That's what the religious wackos still say about gays, and they ship their kids off to camps the get "reconditioned". This is considered to be child abuse by most people.
You're all over the place with this one.
There's all kinds of therapies, medications, and treatments for all kinds of things.
If a person born with male genitalia develops the mindset where they think they are a woman and it is established that this is psychological... would therapy or drugs having the effect of reaffirming one's gender be a more suitable course of action than surgery? Or is it no big deal and if a male thinks they are a female... replace their organs and simply make them a female?
The only point I am trying to make is posing the idea that perhaps there is a better way than reconstructive surgery. Are we sure we got this figured out? I'm hearing from you and a few others that you're sure we do. I'm not convinced, but I'm certainly not going to be the fly in the ointment.
If someone with a penis thinks they are a female and want their organs removed... hack away. It won't bother me.
I'm not all over the place with it at all. I'm specifically talking about being bored wired a certain way like gays and transgendered people are. I'm not talking about mental illness. Surely we're beyond THAT kind of thinking by now?
As for reassignment surgery..... that is absolutely NOBODY'S business but the person who wants/needs the surgery. If that seems a legitimate way to handle their transgenderism (word??), then how is that worse than medicating the shit out of someone or telling them to seek therapy when they don't want to change they way they think or feel?? It is their bodies that feel wrong, not their minds. When your mind feels wrong, you medicate. When your body feels wrong, you fix your body. Makes perfect sense, and I don't even know why people are considering shit like therapy or drugs as a course of action. I find it incredibly insensitive.
If the body has male sex organs but the mind thinks the body is female, wouldn't it be more reasonable to say the disconnect is with the mind? It doesn't seem unreasonable to think that perhaps there is some chemical inbalance that can be treated with drugs. Right or wrong, I don't think it is insensitive to ask the question.
So your saying that transgender people are sick? Is that the same for gay people?
Again... exactly why are people associating transgender people with gay people?
What exactly are you having a problem with here? That you think this is some kind of valid point you're making kind of shows how little you understand about the whole thing.
I don't know much about the whole thing, but don't pretend you do.
Sexual preference versus gender confusion- two completely different things in my mind.
Don't pretend I do? Sorry, but I do, as much as a person can without actually being gay or transgendered.
And yeah no shit being gay is different from being transgendered. You are COMPLETELY missing the point.
What is the point then?
Unite all the people that are not heterosexual in one big unified clump? Is that the point? Lump all the people that don't conform to conventional sexuality in one tidy grouping so that they can fight discrimination together?
I'll say it again: although it is prevalent... the association makes no sense. You have one group of people that simply prefer members of their own sex as their partner... and on the other hand you have people that feel they were born with the wrong body and need to have surgery to correct that.
What the hell is the difference if it's biological or psychological if people are born that way?? If you're born that way, and it is something in your brain that determines that you're transgendered, does that kind of mean it's biological anyhow?? Either way, who cares? I am pretty sure that the argument of "well they need psychological help" seems like a pretty insulting and offensive viewpoint IMO. That's what the religious wackos still say about gays, and they ship their kids off to camps the get "reconditioned". This is considered to be child abuse by most people.
You're all over the place with this one.
There's all kinds of therapies, medications, and treatments for all kinds of things.
If a person born with male genitalia develops the mindset where they think they are a woman and it is established that this is psychological... would therapy or drugs having the effect of reaffirming one's gender be a more suitable course of action than surgery? Or is it no big deal and if a male thinks they are a female... replace their organs and simply make them a female?
The only point I am trying to make is posing the idea that perhaps there is a better way than reconstructive surgery. Are we sure we got this figured out? I'm hearing from you and a few others that you're sure we do. I'm not convinced, but I'm certainly not going to be the fly in the ointment.
If someone with a penis thinks they are a female and want their organs removed... hack away. It won't bother me.
I'm not all over the place with it at all. I'm specifically talking about being bored wired a certain way like gays and transgendered people are. I'm not talking about mental illness. Surely we're beyond THAT kind of thinking by now?
As for reassignment surgery..... that is absolutely NOBODY'S business but the person who wants/needs the surgery. If that seems a legitimate way to handle their transgenderism (word??), then how is that worse than medicating the shit out of someone or telling them to seek therapy when they don't want to change they way they think or feel?? It is their bodies that feel wrong, not their minds. When your mind feels wrong, you medicate. When your body feels wrong, you fix your body. Makes perfect sense, and I don't even know why people are considering shit like therapy or drugs as a course of action. I find it incredibly insensitive.
If the body has male sex organs but the mind thinks the body is female, wouldn't it be more reasonable to say the disconnect is with the mind? It doesn't seem unreasonable to think that perhaps there is some chemical inbalance that can be treated with drugs. Right or wrong, I don't think it is insensitive to ask the question.
So your saying that transgender people are sick? Is that the same for gay people?
Again... exactly why are people associating transgender people with gay people?
What exactly are you having a problem with here? That you think this is some kind of valid point you're making kind of shows how little you understand about the whole thing.
I don't know much about the whole thing, but don't pretend you do.
Sexual preference versus gender confusion- two completely different things in my mind.
Don't pretend I do? Sorry, but I do, as much as a person can without actually being gay or transgendered.
And yeah no shit being gay is different from being transgendered. You are COMPLETELY missing the point.
I wonder if people of the LBGT community would prefer if we the straight people would stop making assumptions for them? We can empathize surely but is it really the same?
People need to stop attacking someone for not understanding. Answer their questions with tact not attack...
If you're talking about me Tempo, I didn't attack. I am having a discussion here and pointing out that someone is missing the point. I am getting really sick of people derailing threads by talking about how people are talking to each other around here. Everyone is fine, we don't need other members to moderate.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
What the hell is the difference if it's biological or psychological if people are born that way?? If you're born that way, and it is something in your brain that determines that you're transgendered, does that kind of mean it's biological anyhow?? Either way, who cares? I am pretty sure that the argument of "well they need psychological help" seems like a pretty insulting and offensive viewpoint IMO. That's what the religious wackos still say about gays, and they ship their kids off to camps the get "reconditioned". This is considered to be child abuse by most people.
You're all over the place with this one.
There's all kinds of therapies, medications, and treatments for all kinds of things.
If a person born with male genitalia develops the mindset where they think they are a woman and it is established that this is psychological... would therapy or drugs having the effect of reaffirming one's gender be a more suitable course of action than surgery? Or is it no big deal and if a male thinks they are a female... replace their organs and simply make them a female?
The only point I am trying to make is posing the idea that perhaps there is a better way than reconstructive surgery. Are we sure we got this figured out? I'm hearing from you and a few others that you're sure we do. I'm not convinced, but I'm certainly not going to be the fly in the ointment.
If someone with a penis thinks they are a female and want their organs removed... hack away. It won't bother me.
I'm not all over the place with it at all. I'm specifically talking about being bored wired a certain way like gays and transgendered people are. I'm not talking about mental illness. Surely we're beyond THAT kind of thinking by now?
As for reassignment surgery..... that is absolutely NOBODY'S business but the person who wants/needs the surgery. If that seems a legitimate way to handle their transgenderism (word??), then how is that worse than medicating the shit out of someone or telling them to seek therapy when they don't want to change they way they think or feel?? It is their bodies that feel wrong, not their minds. When your mind feels wrong, you medicate. When your body feels wrong, you fix your body. Makes perfect sense, and I don't even know why people are considering shit like therapy or drugs as a course of action. I find it incredibly insensitive.
If the body has male sex organs but the mind thinks the body is female, wouldn't it be more reasonable to say the disconnect is with the mind? It doesn't seem unreasonable to think that perhaps there is some chemical inbalance that can be treated with drugs. Right or wrong, I don't think it is insensitive to ask the question.
So your saying that transgender people are sick? Is that the same for gay people?
Again... exactly why are people associating transgender people with gay people?
What exactly are you having a problem with here? That you think this is some kind of valid point you're making kind of shows how little you understand about the whole thing.
I don't know much about the whole thing, but don't pretend you do.
Sexual preference versus gender confusion- two completely different things in my mind.
Don't pretend I do? Sorry, but I do, as much as a person can without actually being gay or transgendered.
And yeah no shit being gay is different from being transgendered. You are COMPLETELY missing the point.
What is the point then?
Unite all the people that are not heterosexual in one big unified clump? Is that the point? Lump all the people that don't conform to conventional sexuality in one tidy grouping so that they can fight discrimination together?
I'll say it again: although it is prevalent... the association makes no sense. You have one group of people that simply prefer members of their own sex as their partner... and on the other hand you have people that feel they were born with the wrong body and need to have surgery to correct that.
Why are you repeating yourself? We all already know that being gay and being transgendered isn't the same thing (although some gay people are also transgendered). But these communities support one another - this is well known - together as a group who suffer discrimination based on sexuality and gender, and as groups who deal with the same kinds of struggles. I.e. coming out to family and to the world at large, handling stigmas around gender and sexuality, and other commonalities.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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Now understand you've had the privilege to be born a white heterosexual male so haven't needed any laws to protect you, but that's not the case for many.
Agree.
(Don't waste anymore time debating the religious nuts)
Stupid people can't be corrected - like cows if you will.
Way I think of it is there are Billions of humans. Billions. Soooo inevitably brains and bodies will be switched. Sexual orientation will be switched or on sliding scale.
Just odds.
So now do we treat all as equals or do we squirm and get scared and then pass fked up laws due to our insecurities?
and then they want to use the ladies room ??????? ohhhhhh dear that was great !!!! hahhahahhahhahahahah !!!!!!! and then want everybody else to look on as if nothing was wrong ???? (album quote from Frank Zappa "act like nothing's wrong") wow !!!!! oh man I can't stop laughing !
Godfather.
Godfather.
98 CAA
00 Virginia Beach;Camden I; Jones Beach III
05 Borgata Night I; Wachovia Center
06 Letterman Show; Webcast (guy in blue shirt), Camden I; DC
08 Camden I; Camden II; DC
09 Phillie III
10 MSG II
13 Wrigley Field
16 Phillie II
98 CAA
00 Virginia Beach;Camden I; Jones Beach III
05 Borgata Night I; Wachovia Center
06 Letterman Show; Webcast (guy in blue shirt), Camden I; DC
08 Camden I; Camden II; DC
09 Phillie III
10 MSG II
13 Wrigley Field
16 Phillie II
"we're talking about men who like to dress like women and in some cases have their junk surgically removed and get breast implants ? forgive for finding the ignorance of that statement hilarious.....but DAAAAAMMMMMN ! really ? HAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHA.
and then they want to use the ladies room ??????? "
and besides I just found the whole thing humorous considering earlier topic's and debates that have been discussed here about bigotry and discrimination, I have no hard feeling over this at all, in fact I really enjoyed the laugh.
Godfather.
we will find a way, we will find our place
that's it......all you got ? stop being so discriminant your hurting my feelings.......LOL !!!!!
how about a little humble pie with a heaping helping of crow HAHAHAHAHHAHHHHA !!!!!!
Godfather.
Now before you go nuts on me, I'm not trying to paint something as positive or negative but am just trying to have a discussion and try to maybe understand why you think (or why it just is) that someone who is in a man's body but mentally thinks they are a woman could not be considered a mental disorder like the ones mentioned above? I am sorry if I offend, but to me why is it so insensitive to ask the question whether being transgender is due to a mental disorder when it is so rare (.3% of population per Google), but being bi-polar is clearly considered a mental disorder and is less rare than being transgender. Is it because being transgender doesn't lead to crazy, erratic behavior like a Schizophrenic that it is not viewed as a mental disorder?
Again, I'm not saying that transgender people need to take drugs, but I don't think it is insensitive to try to understand where the disconnect is created between the mind and body, and what is the appropriate way to fix it (if it even should be fixed).
I am ready for the arrows....
How do I feel?
How do I?...
I believe we all have some sort of mental illness. I just don't think being a woman trapped in a man's body (or vice versa) is one of them.
we will find a way, we will find our place
It's no big whoop.
I understand the thought process though where the mind takes priority over the body and surgery is the answer for a transgender person.
Sexual preference versus gender confusion- two completely different things in my mind.
And yeah no shit being gay is different from being transgendered. You are COMPLETELY missing the point.
Unite all the people that are not heterosexual in one big unified clump? Is that the point? Lump all the people that don't conform to conventional sexuality in one tidy grouping so that they can fight discrimination together?
I'll say it again: although it is prevalent... the association makes no sense. You have one group of people that simply prefer members of their own sex as their partner... and on the other hand you have people that feel they were born with the wrong body and need to have surgery to correct that.
People need to stop attacking someone for not understanding. Answer their questions with tact not attack...