Schools must allow transgender bathrooms, Department of Education says

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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576

    PJ_Soul said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    What the hell is the difference if it's biological or psychological if people are born that way?? If you're born that way, and it is something in your brain that determines that you're transgendered, does that kind of mean it's biological anyhow?? Either way, who cares? I am pretty sure that the argument of "well they need psychological help" seems like a pretty insulting and offensive viewpoint IMO. That's what the religious wackos still say about gays, and they ship their kids off to camps the get "reconditioned". This is considered to be child abuse by most people.

    You're all over the place with this one.

    There's all kinds of therapies, medications, and treatments for all kinds of things.

    If a person born with male genitalia develops the mindset where they think they are a woman and it is established that this is psychological... would therapy or drugs having the effect of reaffirming one's gender be a more suitable course of action than surgery? Or is it no big deal and if a male thinks they are a female... replace their organs and simply make them a female?

    The only point I am trying to make is posing the idea that perhaps there is a better way than reconstructive surgery. Are we sure we got this figured out? I'm hearing from you and a few others that you're sure we do. I'm not convinced, but I'm certainly not going to be the fly in the ointment.

    If someone with a penis thinks they are a female and want their organs removed... hack away. It won't bother me.
    I'm not all over the place with it at all. I'm specifically talking about being bored wired a certain way like gays and transgendered people are. I'm not talking about mental illness. Surely we're beyond THAT kind of thinking by now?

    As for reassignment surgery..... that is absolutely NOBODY'S business but the person who wants/needs the surgery. If that seems a legitimate way to handle their transgenderism (word??), then how is that worse than medicating the shit out of someone or telling them to seek therapy when they don't want to change they way they think or feel?? It is their bodies that feel wrong, not their minds. When your mind feels wrong, you medicate. When your body feels wrong, you fix your body. Makes perfect sense, and I don't even know why people are considering shit like therapy or drugs as a course of action. I find it incredibly insensitive.
    If the body has male sex organs but the mind thinks the body is female, wouldn't it be more reasonable to say the disconnect is with the mind? It doesn't seem unreasonable to think that perhaps there is some chemical inbalance that can be treated with drugs. Right or wrong, I don't think it is insensitive to ask the question.
    So your saying that transgender people are sick? Is that the same for gay people?
    Again... exactly why are people associating transgender people with gay people?
    What exactly are you having a problem with here? That you think this is some kind of valid point you're making kind of shows how little you understand about the whole thing.
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    I don't know much about the whole thing, but don't pretend you do.

    Sexual preference versus gender confusion- two completely different things in my mind.
    Don't pretend I do? Sorry, but I do, as much as a person can without actually being gay or transgendered.

    And yeah no shit being gay is different from being transgendered. You are COMPLETELY missing the point.
    What is the point then?

    Unite all the people that are not heterosexual in one big unified clump? Is that the point? Lump all the people that don't conform to conventional sexuality in one tidy grouping so that they can fight discrimination together?

    I'll say it again: although it is prevalent... the association makes no sense. You have one group of people that simply prefer members of their own sex as their partner... and on the other hand you have people that feel they were born with the wrong body and need to have surgery to correct that.
    Why shouldn't they unite? They share a common enemy, there aren't very many people that would seek to deny the rights of some of the LGBTQ community but not others.

    Discrimination comes from those who conform to conventional sexuality and those who practice the discrimination don't typically make distinctions, to them you are hetero or other, and other is wrong and intolerable.

    The association makes sense, even if it isn't perfect, or particularly good.
    The fools who take issue with one Will invariably take issue with the other, so making common cause with them is troubling, even for those who are genuinely curious and not mean spirited.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • DegeneratefkDegeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    I think transgender and homosexuality certainly correlate.
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,337
    I found this on reddit. I thought it might help some of us understand things here. It helped me.

    "Transgender person here, and your question is a good one (or at least, a common one that really isn't answered clearly very often)

    The short answer is: yes, Trans people are considered to have a disorder. Gender Dysphoria is a disorder recognized in the DSM.

    There have been a few studies establishing certain evidence to support the idea that this is inherent (a few having to do with brain mapping/MRIs pop up now and again) but the funding and interest for serious, driven research into the field just hasn't been there until recently. A lot of existing studies are either too old to be taken seriously or flawed due to lack of funding or existing bias. The best guess right now is that the brain is just wired to expect a different set of physical characteristics than it has, and thus causes dysphoria as a way of expressing that it thinks there is something wrong with ones body.

    Your question seems to be more "Why don't we get these transgender people mental help instead of physical modifications to their body" and the answer is:
    Trans people already have to have years of therapy from multiple doctors and therapists to get the required letters of recommendation (verification that therapists and doctors have confidence that the person does experience Gender Dysphoria and that they believe that sexual transition would be beneficial to the patient's mental health) needed to get hormones and SRS (sexual reassignment surgery) and no form of conversion therapy has worked anywhere near consistently.
    It is just easier (at this point in time, at least) to modify the body to reduce dysphoria than it is to modify the brain to stop dysphoria altogether.

    As far as what I can describe to you from personal experience, I am not in denial about the fact that I have a penis and that I grow facial hair and that my body produces testosterone. I can tell you that the physical presence of these things causes constant distress, feelings of depression and self hate, the whole nine yards. When I wear female clothes, ask you to call me by a different name or use different pronouns, wear makeup, etc., it is more to fool my unconscious self and distract it from the fact that certain parts of my body just feel wrong.

    Plenty of other similar conditions, like Body Dysmorphic Disorder, have long been recognized and accepted by the medical community. Sometimes the brain expects your body to be different than it is.

    It's like if you were to take the hard drive out of one computer and into a different computer. You'll probably be able to boot and do most things, but you'll occasionally get some errors because that hard drive and the Operating System inside has been set up to expect a certain hardware configuration in the computer, and has problems when what hardware it thinks you have differs from the hardware you actually hook up to it. We (the medical community) don't know how to reprogram the computer yet, so switching out hardware is the next easiest thing.

    Trust me, if there was a pill that got rid of my dysphoria so that I felt content with my male sex characteristics, I would imagine that would be far easier and pain free to take than years of hormone therapy and multiple, very expensive surgeries. Such a thing doesn't exist yet, so I only have one other choice.

    EDIT: I should mention that my experiences doesn't cover every one you hear. There has been a push in certain groups to remove gender dysphoria from being the identifying factor of being transgender, and make it solely an "identity". I personally take issue with this (as it removes all scientific aspects from the issue), but many trans people support the idea or just don't care. It's the internet, and Reddit is a great trolling ground when the Tumblr bloggers want to stir up trouble. You are likely to hear lots of different opinions."

    Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/31u95d/eli5why_is_a_transgender_person_not_considered_to/

  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,003
    dignin said:

    I found this on reddit. I thought it might help some of us understand things here. It helped me.

    "Transgender person here, and your question is a good one (or at least, a common one that really isn't answered clearly very often)

    The short answer is: yes, Trans people are considered to have a disorder. Gender Dysphoria is a disorder recognized in the DSM.

    There have been a few studies establishing certain evidence to support the idea that this is inherent (a few having to do with brain mapping/MRIs pop up now and again) but the funding and interest for serious, driven research into the field just hasn't been there until recently. A lot of existing studies are either too old to be taken seriously or flawed due to lack of funding or existing bias. The best guess right now is that the brain is just wired to expect a different set of physical characteristics than it has, and thus causes dysphoria as a way of expressing that it thinks there is something wrong with ones body.

    Your question seems to be more "Why don't we get these transgender people mental help instead of physical modifications to their body" and the answer is:
    Trans people already have to have years of therapy from multiple doctors and therapists to get the required letters of recommendation (verification that therapists and doctors have confidence that the person does experience Gender Dysphoria and that they believe that sexual transition would be beneficial to the patient's mental health) needed to get hormones and SRS (sexual reassignment surgery) and no form of conversion therapy has worked anywhere near consistently.
    It is just easier (at this point in time, at least) to modify the body to reduce dysphoria than it is to modify the brain to stop dysphoria altogether.

    As far as what I can describe to you from personal experience, I am not in denial about the fact that I have a penis and that I grow facial hair and that my body produces testosterone. I can tell you that the physical presence of these things causes constant distress, feelings of depression and self hate, the whole nine yards. When I wear female clothes, ask you to call me by a different name or use different pronouns, wear makeup, etc., it is more to fool my unconscious self and distract it from the fact that certain parts of my body just feel wrong.

    Plenty of other similar conditions, like Body Dysmorphic Disorder, have long been recognized and accepted by the medical community. Sometimes the brain expects your body to be different than it is.

    It's like if you were to take the hard drive out of one computer and into a different computer. You'll probably be able to boot and do most things, but you'll occasionally get some errors because that hard drive and the Operating System inside has been set up to expect a certain hardware configuration in the computer, and has problems when what hardware it thinks you have differs from the hardware you actually hook up to it. We (the medical community) don't know how to reprogram the computer yet, so switching out hardware is the next easiest thing.

    Trust me, if there was a pill that got rid of my dysphoria so that I felt content with my male sex characteristics, I would imagine that would be far easier and pain free to take than years of hormone therapy and multiple, very expensive surgeries. Such a thing doesn't exist yet, so I only have one other choice.

    EDIT: I should mention that my experiences doesn't cover every one you hear. There has been a push in certain groups to remove gender dysphoria from being the identifying factor of being transgender, and make it solely an "identity". I personally take issue with this (as it removes all scientific aspects from the issue), but many trans people support the idea or just don't care. It's the internet, and Reddit is a great trolling ground when the Tumblr bloggers want to stir up trouble. You are likely to hear lots of different opinions."

    Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/31u95d/eli5why_is_a_transgender_person_not_considered_to/

    Thanks for posting it couldn't be any more clearer in describing what a Transgender really has to go thru damn I feel for people with any disorders ...
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • dignin said:

    I found this on reddit. I thought it might help some of us understand things here. It helped me.

    "Transgender person here, and your question is a good one (or at least, a common one that really isn't answered clearly very often)

    The short answer is: yes, Trans people are considered to have a disorder. Gender Dysphoria is a disorder recognized in the DSM.

    There have been a few studies establishing certain evidence to support the idea that this is inherent (a few having to do with brain mapping/MRIs pop up now and again) but the funding and interest for serious, driven research into the field just hasn't been there until recently. A lot of existing studies are either too old to be taken seriously or flawed due to lack of funding or existing bias. The best guess right now is that the brain is just wired to expect a different set of physical characteristics than it has, and thus causes dysphoria as a way of expressing that it thinks there is something wrong with ones body.

    Your question seems to be more "Why don't we get these transgender people mental help instead of physical modifications to their body" and the answer is:
    Trans people already have to have years of therapy from multiple doctors and therapists to get the required letters of recommendation (verification that therapists and doctors have confidence that the person does experience Gender Dysphoria and that they believe that sexual transition would be beneficial to the patient's mental health) needed to get hormones and SRS (sexual reassignment surgery) and no form of conversion therapy has worked anywhere near consistently.
    It is just easier (at this point in time, at least) to modify the body to reduce dysphoria than it is to modify the brain to stop dysphoria altogether.

    As far as what I can describe to you from personal experience, I am not in denial about the fact that I have a penis and that I grow facial hair and that my body produces testosterone. I can tell you that the physical presence of these things causes constant distress, feelings of depression and self hate, the whole nine yards. When I wear female clothes, ask you to call me by a different name or use different pronouns, wear makeup, etc., it is more to fool my unconscious self and distract it from the fact that certain parts of my body just feel wrong.

    Plenty of other similar conditions, like Body Dysmorphic Disorder, have long been recognized and accepted by the medical community. Sometimes the brain expects your body to be different than it is.

    It's like if you were to take the hard drive out of one computer and into a different computer. You'll probably be able to boot and do most things, but you'll occasionally get some errors because that hard drive and the Operating System inside has been set up to expect a certain hardware configuration in the computer, and has problems when what hardware it thinks you have differs from the hardware you actually hook up to it. We (the medical community) don't know how to reprogram the computer yet, so switching out hardware is the next easiest thing.

    Trust me, if there was a pill that got rid of my dysphoria so that I felt content with my male sex characteristics, I would imagine that would be far easier and pain free to take than years of hormone therapy and multiple, very expensive surgeries. Such a thing doesn't exist yet, so I only have one other choice.

    EDIT: I should mention that my experiences doesn't cover every one you hear. There has been a push in certain groups to remove gender dysphoria from being the identifying factor of being transgender, and make it solely an "identity". I personally take issue with this (as it removes all scientific aspects from the issue), but many trans people support the idea or just don't care. It's the internet, and Reddit is a great trolling ground when the Tumblr bloggers want to stir up trouble. You are likely to hear lots of different opinions."

    Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/31u95d/eli5why_is_a_transgender_person_not_considered_to/

    Thanks for posting it couldn't be any more clearer in describing what a Transgender really has to go thru damn I feel for people with any disorders ...
    We all have so much to be thankful for- I agree.

    This piece speaks to what I was wondering and enquiring about.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,995
    Yes, just keep in mind that some transgendered people would be really offended by that outlook, as the writer of the post mentions in the last paragraph. Although I don't think any of them could possibly claim that they don't suffer from a disorder, or a disability (as I tend to call it).
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,003

    dignin said:

    I found this on reddit. I thought it might help some of us understand things here. It helped me.

    "Transgender person here, and your question is a good one (or at least, a common one that really isn't answered clearly very often)

    The short answer is: yes, Trans people are considered to have a disorder. Gender Dysphoria is a disorder recognized in the DSM.

    There have been a few studies establishing certain evidence to support the idea that this is inherent (a few having to do with brain mapping/MRIs pop up now and again) but the funding and interest for serious, driven research into the field just hasn't been there until recently. A lot of existing studies are either too old to be taken seriously or flawed due to lack of funding or existing bias. The best guess right now is that the brain is just wired to expect a different set of physical characteristics than it has, and thus causes dysphoria as a way of expressing that it thinks there is something wrong with ones body.

    Your question seems to be more "Why don't we get these transgender people mental help instead of physical modifications to their body" and the answer is:
    Trans people already have to have years of therapy from multiple doctors and therapists to get the required letters of recommendation (verification that therapists and doctors have confidence that the person does experience Gender Dysphoria and that they believe that sexual transition would be beneficial to the patient's mental health) needed to get hormones and SRS (sexual reassignment surgery) and no form of conversion therapy has worked anywhere near consistently.
    It is just easier (at this point in time, at least) to modify the body to reduce dysphoria than it is to modify the brain to stop dysphoria altogether.

    As far as what I can describe to you from personal experience, I am not in denial about the fact that I have a penis and that I grow facial hair and that my body produces testosterone. I can tell you that the physical presence of these things causes constant distress, feelings of depression and self hate, the whole nine yards. When I wear female clothes, ask you to call me by a different name or use different pronouns, wear makeup, etc., it is more to fool my unconscious self and distract it from the fact that certain parts of my body just feel wrong.

    Plenty of other similar conditions, like Body Dysmorphic Disorder, have long been recognized and accepted by the medical community. Sometimes the brain expects your body to be different than it is.

    It's like if you were to take the hard drive out of one computer and into a different computer. You'll probably be able to boot and do most things, but you'll occasionally get some errors because that hard drive and the Operating System inside has been set up to expect a certain hardware configuration in the computer, and has problems when what hardware it thinks you have differs from the hardware you actually hook up to it. We (the medical community) don't know how to reprogram the computer yet, so switching out hardware is the next easiest thing.

    Trust me, if there was a pill that got rid of my dysphoria so that I felt content with my male sex characteristics, I would imagine that would be far easier and pain free to take than years of hormone therapy and multiple, very expensive surgeries. Such a thing doesn't exist yet, so I only have one other choice.

    EDIT: I should mention that my experiences doesn't cover every one you hear. There has been a push in certain groups to remove gender dysphoria from being the identifying factor of being transgender, and make it solely an "identity". I personally take issue with this (as it removes all scientific aspects from the issue), but many trans people support the idea or just don't care. It's the internet, and Reddit is a great trolling ground when the Tumblr bloggers want to stir up trouble. You are likely to hear lots of different opinions."

    Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/31u95d/eli5why_is_a_transgender_person_not_considered_to/

    Thanks for posting it couldn't be any more clearer in describing what a Transgender really has to go thru damn I feel for people with any disorders ...
    We all have so much to be thankful for- I agree.

    This piece speaks to what I was wondering and enquiring about.
    Yeah me too !
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,491
    PJ_Soul said:

    Yes, just keep in mind that some transgendered people would be really offended by that outlook, as the writer of the post mentions in the last paragraph. Although I don't think any of them could possibly claim that they don't suffer from a disorder, or a disability (as I tend to call it).

    Exactly what I was looking at. I would love to hear the other side of this too.

    dignin said:

    I found this on reddit. I thought it might help some of us understand things here. It helped me.

    "Transgender person here, and your question is a good one (or at least, a common one that really isn't answered clearly very often)

    The short answer is: yes, Trans people are considered to have a disorder. Gender Dysphoria is a disorder recognized in the DSM.

    There have been a few studies establishing certain evidence to support the idea that this is inherent (a few having to do with brain mapping/MRIs pop up now and again) but the funding and interest for serious, driven research into the field just hasn't been there until recently. A lot of existing studies are either too old to be taken seriously or flawed due to lack of funding or existing bias. The best guess right now is that the brain is just wired to expect a different set of physical characteristics than it has, and thus causes dysphoria as a way of expressing that it thinks there is something wrong with ones body.

    Your question seems to be more "Why don't we get these transgender people mental help instead of physical modifications to their body" and the answer is:
    Trans people already have to have years of therapy from multiple doctors and therapists to get the required letters of recommendation (verification that therapists and doctors have confidence that the person does experience Gender Dysphoria and that they believe that sexual transition would be beneficial to the patient's mental health) needed to get hormones and SRS (sexual reassignment surgery) and no form of conversion therapy has worked anywhere near consistently.
    It is just easier (at this point in time, at least) to modify the body to reduce dysphoria than it is to modify the brain to stop dysphoria altogether.

    As far as what I can describe to you from personal experience, I am not in denial about the fact that I have a penis and that I grow facial hair and that my body produces testosterone. I can tell you that the physical presence of these things causes constant distress, feelings of depression and self hate, the whole nine yards. When I wear female clothes, ask you to call me by a different name or use different pronouns, wear makeup, etc., it is more to fool my unconscious self and distract it from the fact that certain parts of my body just feel wrong.

    Plenty of other similar conditions, like Body Dysmorphic Disorder, have long been recognized and accepted by the medical community. Sometimes the brain expects your body to be different than it is.

    It's like if you were to take the hard drive out of one computer and into a different computer. You'll probably be able to boot and do most things, but you'll occasionally get some errors because that hard drive and the Operating System inside has been set up to expect a certain hardware configuration in the computer, and has problems when what hardware it thinks you have differs from the hardware you actually hook up to it. We (the medical community) don't know how to reprogram the computer yet, so switching out hardware is the next easiest thing.

    Trust me, if there was a pill that got rid of my dysphoria so that I felt content with my male sex characteristics, I would imagine that would be far easier and pain free to take than years of hormone therapy and multiple, very expensive surgeries. Such a thing doesn't exist yet, so I only have one other choice.

    EDIT: I should mention that my experiences doesn't cover every one you hear. There has been a push in certain groups to remove gender dysphoria from being the identifying factor of being transgender, and make it solely an "identity". I personally take issue with this (as it removes all scientific aspects from the issue), but many trans people support the idea or just don't care. It's the internet, and Reddit is a great trolling ground when the Tumblr bloggers want to stir up trouble. You are likely to hear lots of different opinions."

    Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/31u95d/eli5why_is_a_transgender_person_not_considered_to/

    Thanks for posting it couldn't be any more clearer in describing what a Transgender really has to go thru damn I feel for people with any disorders ...
    We all have so much to be thankful for- I agree.

    This piece speaks to what I was wondering and enquiring about.
    Agreed. Great piece!
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,486
    A little off topic, but I had to google what the Q was in LGBTQ. When did "queer" stop becoming offensive? We were told to stop calling it "smear the queer" like in 4th grade because it was offensive.
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,825
    mace1229 said:

    A little off topic, but I had to google what the Q was in LGBTQ. When did "queer" stop becoming offensive? We were told to stop calling it "smear the queer" like in 4th grade because it was offensive.

    The "q" can also refer to questioning
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,995
    edited May 2016
    mace1229 said:

    A little off topic, but I had to google what the Q was in LGBTQ. When did "queer" stop becoming offensive? We were told to stop calling it "smear the queer" like in 4th grade because it was offensive.

    Yeah, I don't really relate to the "Q" part at all. Now there is apparently a "2" to tack on the end as well (LGBTQ2), and I don't even know what that's about. Don't really care TBH. But whatever. Not my problem or business what it becomes... it's getting kind of long now though. No one's going to remember wtf it is at this rate.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,486
    PJ_Soul said:

    mace1229 said:

    A little off topic, but I had to google what the Q was in LGBTQ. When did "queer" stop becoming offensive? We were told to stop calling it "smear the queer" like in 4th grade because it was offensive.

    Yeah, I don't really relate to the "Q" part at all. Now there is apparently a "2" to tack on the end as well (LGBTQ2), and I don't even know what that's about. Don't really care TBH. But whatever. Not my problem or business what it becomes... it's getting kind of long now though. No one's going to remember wtf it is at this rate.
    I also saw some organizations adding an "A" for asexual too.
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,491
    mace1229 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    mace1229 said:

    A little off topic, but I had to google what the Q was in LGBTQ. When did "queer" stop becoming offensive? We were told to stop calling it "smear the queer" like in 4th grade because it was offensive.

    Yeah, I don't really relate to the "Q" part at all. Now there is apparently a "2" to tack on the end as well (LGBTQ2), and I don't even know what that's about. Don't really care TBH. But whatever. Not my problem or business what it becomes... it's getting kind of long now though. No one's going to remember wtf it is at this rate.
    I also saw some organizations adding an "A" for asexual too.
    They should add an H for Hetero too?
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,995

    mace1229 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    mace1229 said:

    A little off topic, but I had to google what the Q was in LGBTQ. When did "queer" stop becoming offensive? We were told to stop calling it "smear the queer" like in 4th grade because it was offensive.

    Yeah, I don't really relate to the "Q" part at all. Now there is apparently a "2" to tack on the end as well (LGBTQ2), and I don't even know what that's about. Don't really care TBH. But whatever. Not my problem or business what it becomes... it's getting kind of long now though. No one's going to remember wtf it is at this rate.
    I also saw some organizations adding an "A" for asexual too.
    They should add an H for Hetero too?
    No, because heterosexuals aren't discriminated against for their sexual/gender makeup.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,491
    PJ_Soul said:

    mace1229 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    mace1229 said:

    A little off topic, but I had to google what the Q was in LGBTQ. When did "queer" stop becoming offensive? We were told to stop calling it "smear the queer" like in 4th grade because it was offensive.

    Yeah, I don't really relate to the "Q" part at all. Now there is apparently a "2" to tack on the end as well (LGBTQ2), and I don't even know what that's about. Don't really care TBH. But whatever. Not my problem or business what it becomes... it's getting kind of long now though. No one's going to remember wtf it is at this rate.
    I also saw some organizations adding an "A" for asexual too.
    They should add an H for Hetero too?
    No, because heterosexuals aren't discriminated against for their sexual/gender makeup.
    It was rhetorical PJ soul...
  • It would complete the list though. I'm tired of being stereotyped as an intolerant prick (curse me and my white heterosexual nature).

    Hey... with everyone on it... we wouldn't need a list anymore!

    A good idea you fumbled on to.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • KatKat Posts: 4,878
    edited May 2016
    Rep. Lofgren Calls Civil Rights Commissioner ‘Ignorant Bigot’ for Criticizing Bathroom Mandate

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmKzkX5YGPE

    Watch the man on the right at the end.

    and :)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w38cLPaZ7nA
    Post edited by Kat on
    Falling down,...not staying down
  • ^^^
    It truly is incredible and fascinating to watch the yeehaws in America that still exist.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576

    ^^^
    It truly is incredible and fascinating to watch the yeehaws in America that still exist.

    Hahaha like Canadian yeehaws that are so mature they troll websites to aggravate Americans about their election? Incredible and fascinating!
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • rgambs said:

    ^^^
    It truly is incredible and fascinating to watch the yeehaws in America that still exist.

    Hahaha like Canadian yeehaws that are so mature they troll websites to aggravate Americans about their election? Incredible and fascinating!
    It's true. Those very yeehaws are what normal folk have to put up with and even battle their views politically. Calling that imbred yeehaw a bigot was correct and I say it's about time you Americans stop putting up with people like them and speak out.
    Kind of like what Pearl Jam did, you know that cancellation of a concert thingy, remember that?
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,003
    That witness is a total bigotbitch !!
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,995
    edited June 2016

    rgambs said:

    ^^^
    It truly is incredible and fascinating to watch the yeehaws in America that still exist.

    Hahaha like Canadian yeehaws that are so mature they troll websites to aggravate Americans about their election? Incredible and fascinating!
    It's true. Those very yeehaws are what normal folk have to put up with and even battle their views politically. Calling that imbred yeehaw a bigot was correct and I say it's about time you Americans stop putting up with people like them and speak out.
    Kind of like what Pearl Jam did, you know that cancellation of a concert thingy, remember that?
    Detaching from the point rgambs was making, I actually agree with what you're saying here. I too feel like Americans generally seem to put up with way more than they should, and that is how the US government is packed with psychos and bigots and bible thumpers and criminals.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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