Fort McMurray Alberta

lukin2006

Brian and I have moved on ... Maybe we can all move past the tar sand comments in this thread...

mickeyrat

whats the current status? abated some? weather cooperation?

polaris_x

fire still raging but looks like town is safe although they haven't cleared it really for people to come back ... crews are trying to restore power and gas to the city ...

PJ_Soul

polaris_x said:

lukin2006 said:

polaris_x said:

lukin2006 said:

polaris_x said:

lukin2006 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

brianlux said:

lukin2006 said:

brianlux said:

lukin2006 said:

Fort McMurray wildfire likely caused by humans: U of A professor

http://globalnews.ca/news/2684741/fort-mcmurray-wildfire-likely-caused-by-humans/

And I doubt the oil sands are going anywhere ... It's a huge part of the Alberta economy and when oil prices rise again Fort Mac will ramp up production again.

Maybe some of you US folks that are so worried about out oil sands should concentrate on the fracking going on in your country ... Just sayin'

Come on Lukin, do we really need to do this here? Sounds a little bit bating.

Not baiting at all. I never intended for this to ever get political ... Just a place to express our thoughts toward people's who have had their lives turned upside down. just pointing out that your country environmental record is nothing to write home about...

WTF does that have to do with this thread and if you're not bating, why bring it up?

This thread was supposed to be about the Fort Mac fire and up to a point everyone had expressed concern and showed empathy for those who live there. Too bad that didn't work for you, Lukin. I'm surprised. This doesn't sound like you.

Sometimes this train just sucks coal dust. I'm done here.

Good thoughts still going out for the victims of the Fort Mac fire.

Brian...

You made a comment about 'not going into the tar sands issue' that might have come across as a veiled jab to some.

I thought it was pretty benign in nature, but perhaps others saw it differently?

I just love when Americans point out our flaws ... Then when pointed out that they have far more flaws than we'll ever, screw that ... Let's talk about their fracking, all the coal powered

It's not personnel ... But the thread was not about Fort Mac oil, you brought up the tar sands in a thread about Fort Mac fire.

dudes ... someone else mentioned how they aren't a fan of the tar sands and brian just said he wasn't gonna get into it in this thread ... it wasn't a jab at anyone ...

also - pretty sure americans get it the worst on this forum ... especially from self-righteous canadians such as myself ... haha

this is the internet - no need to always read the worst in comments ...

Point taken, but American deserve it ... Hahaha ...

sure ... but this thread is about empathy ...

I agree, but why even bring up the tars sands? How many fort mac dirty oil or environmental threads exist already?

AGAIN ... brian wasn't the one who brought up the tar sands ... PJSoul was ...

Correct. I said that, no matter how a person feels about the tar sands, such a sudden and dramatic impact to the economy as the fire has caused at the tar sands is harmful to everyone. I then skipped a bunch of posts. I don't know how my comment caused controversy, lol.

PJ_Soul

lukin2006 said:

Brian and I have moved on ... Maybe we can all move past the tar sand comments in this thread...

I'd rather not. It is a SIGNIFICANT factor in this disaster, and not because the tar sands are bad for the environment. So many of the victims' lives are directly tied to the tar sands, so the status of the tar sands and their operations that have been disrupted is a direct reflection of how the victims of the fire are doing moving forward.

mickeyrat

any responder injuries? those folks getting enough rest, water and food?

PJ_Soul

mickeyrat said:

any responder injuries? those folks getting enough rest, water and food?

Apparently yes, bunch of superheros, no major injuries among fighters. They seem to have had a pretty amazing guy in charge who has become a true heroic symbol to the evacuees. Darby Allen. He just stepped out of the role of head of emergency operations for the disaster today, now that the emergency is pretty much over, to allow recovery to begin. He did a good job, I guess he's now going back to being a regular fire chief again, and doing all the things that that entails right now in Fort McMurray.

lukin2006

PJ_Soul said:

lukin2006 said:

Brian and I have moved on ... Maybe we can all move past the tar sand comments in this thread...

I'd rather not. It is a SIGNIFICANT factor in this disaster, and not because the tar sands are bad for the environment. So many of the victims' lives are directly tied to the tar sands, so the status of the tar sands and their operations that have been disrupted is a direct reflection of how the victims of the fire are doing moving forward.

I hear what you are saying. I meant we've moved on about that particular debate in this thread. But it is an open thread so posters are free to debate the tar sands...if that makes sense...haha...on my phone hard to type long responses.

brianlux

lukin2006 said:

PJ_Soul said:

lukin2006 said:

Brian and I have moved on ... Maybe we can all move past the tar sand comments in this thread...

I'd rather not. It is a SIGNIFICANT factor in this disaster, and not because the tar sands are bad for the environment. So many of the victims' lives are directly tied to the tar sands, so the status of the tar sands and their operations that have been disrupted is a direct reflection of how the victims of the fire are doing moving forward.

I hear what you are saying. I meant we've moved on about that particular debate in this thread. But it is an open thread so posters are free to debate the tar sands...if that makes sense...haha...on my phone hard to type long responses.

Lukin, I appreciate that you and I graciously moved on here. Again, thank you.

PJ_Soul, if I have appeared to be bating anywhere here, I apologize. That was never my intention. If we were discussing in a thread specific to tar sands, you know I would not back down and would probably get some real heat from some of you and that's fine- I get it. But my impression is that this thread is (or should be) about how devastating this fire is. I get no joy from seeing or hearing about the suffering of humans and wildlife.

lukin2006

brianlux said:

lukin2006 said:

PJ_Soul said:

lukin2006 said:

Brian and I have moved on ... Maybe we can all move past the tar sand comments in this thread...

I'd rather not. It is a SIGNIFICANT factor in this disaster, and not because the tar sands are bad for the environment. So many of the victims' lives are directly tied to the tar sands, so the status of the tar sands and their operations that have been disrupted is a direct reflection of how the victims of the fire are doing moving forward.

I hear what you are saying. I meant we've moved on about that particular debate in this thread. But it is an open thread so posters are free to debate the tar sands...if that makes sense...haha...on my phone hard to type long responses.

Lukin, I appreciate that you and I graciously moved on here. Again, thank you.

PJ_Soul, if I have appeared to be bating anywhere here, I apologize. That was never my intention. If we were discussing in a thread specific to tar sands, you know I would not back down and would probably get some real heat from some of you and that's fine- I get it. But my impression is that this thread is (or should be) about how devastating this fire is. I get no joy from seeing or hearing about the suffering of humans and wildlife.

Brian no problem ... And totally agree good thoughts and best wishes for the residents of Fort Mac. Thanks to you as well.

PJ_Soul

brianlux said:

lukin2006 said:

PJ_Soul said:

lukin2006 said:

Brian and I have moved on ... Maybe we can all move past the tar sand comments in this thread...

I'd rather not. It is a SIGNIFICANT factor in this disaster, and not because the tar sands are bad for the environment. So many of the victims' lives are directly tied to the tar sands, so the status of the tar sands and their operations that have been disrupted is a direct reflection of how the victims of the fire are doing moving forward.

I hear what you are saying. I meant we've moved on about that particular debate in this thread. But it is an open thread so posters are free to debate the tar sands...if that makes sense...haha...on my phone hard to type long responses.

Lukin, I appreciate that you and I graciously moved on here. Again, thank you.

PJ_Soul, if I have appeared to be bating anywhere here, I apologize. That was never my intention. If we were discussing in a thread specific to tar sands, you know I would not back down and would probably get some real heat from some of you and that's fine- I get it. But my impression is that this thread is (or should be) about how devastating this fire is. I get no joy from seeing or hearing about the suffering of humans and wildlife.

Almost totally agree Brian. Nothing to apologize for either. It's just that the fact is that the tar sands have a huge role in how devastating the fire was. Yes people lost their homes, but they are also struggling, maybe in the biggest way, because operations at the tar sands have been disrupted. Tar sands are awful awful awful, but plenty of people do still depend on them for their livelihoods. And in at lot of cases, those jobs were literally last resort. So many people go up there to work because they got desperate.

lukin2006

Tristin Hopper: Hate all you want, but a burning Fort McMurray was pretty happy it had a bunch of oil companies next door

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/tristin-hopper-hate-all-you-want-but-a-burning-fort-mcmurray-was-pretty-happy-it-had-a-bunch-of-oil-companies-next-door

Not crazy about the article headline ... Just nice to see these corporations step up

lukin2006

Edmonton strip club offering free lap dances to Fort McMurray evacuees

http://globalnews.ca/news/2696834/edmonton-strip-club-offering-free-lap-dances-to-fort-mcmurray-evacuees/

lukin2006

Justin Trudeau to tour Fort McMurray, meet with Rachel Notley

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/trudeau-notley-fort-mcmurray-tour-1.3580770

1ThoughtKnown

I knew it wouldn't be long until people went off on how "awful awful awful" the "tar sands" are.

And the "huge role" in how devastating the fire was. Now the blame is heading towards the oil industry for every natural disaster we have.

*rolling my eyes*.. I don't belong here. While we all share the love of music but your view of the world is naive.
You have no idea how important oil is i(and will continue to be) in your daily lives. You want all of the modern conveniences that come with technology as long as it does not affect you personally.

Never bother to look at the advances made in industry over the last twenty years especially in ensuring environmental impact is reduced and often eliminated.

To all of you who provided donations to the Red Cross and other charities to help the victims of Fort Mac thank you. But as the city rebuilds, and the plants resume their million plus barrel a day output, your sympathy will be replaced by the pre-existing venomous attitude towards anyone in the oil industry as the "destroyers of the environment" and "climate changers" and all the other nonsense.

The same hard working people who lost their homes are the same people you would lose it on if they didn't 100% agree with your stance that oil,and specifically the oil sands, is horrible for the world. You know you wouldn't really like them, because they are mostly like me. Trying to defend the industry that brought them a good standard of living. That donated millions to the hospital, the recreation centres, the kids sports leagues. The flights to get workers out of the camps, the Red Cross for the victims and on and on and on.

The science and innovation to simply extract the oil from the sand! All the work done to completely eliminate the need for water in the future. I mean, it was all done for the ENVIRONMENT.

But instead of being moderate and compassionate and sensical by giving the industry some credit, they are "awful awful awful" and you really have no idea what you are talking about because you will only read or see what aligns with your belief system.

My hope is that this gives you some food for thought as you look around at all your modern conveniences today. Most city folk have no idea how all that shit ended up at IKEA just that its there. And when that crap breaks in six months you take it to the dump and bury it.

Oh the hypocrisy...

polaris_x

meh ... if your rant had some objectivity to it I might have been tolerable ...

still ... it's an empathy thread so ... will leave it at that ... haha

BS44325

1ThoughtKnown said:

I knew it wouldn't be long until people went off on how "awful awful awful" the "tar sands" are.

And the "huge role" in how devastating the fire was. Now the blame is heading towards the oil industry for every natural disaster we have.

*rolling my eyes*.. I don't belong here. While we all share the love of music but your view of the world is naive.
You have no idea how important oil is i(and will continue to be) in your daily lives. You want all of the modern conveniences that come with technology as long as it does not affect you personally.

Never bother to look at the advances made in industry over the last twenty years especially in ensuring environmental impact is reduced and often eliminated.

To all of you who provided donations to the Red Cross and other charities to help the victims of Fort Mac thank you. But as the city rebuilds, and the plants resume their million plus barrel a day output, your sympathy will be replaced by the pre-existing venomous attitude towards anyone in the oil industry as the "destroyers of the environment" and "climate changers" and all the other nonsense.

The same hard working people who lost their homes are the same people you would lose it on if they didn't 100% agree with your stance that oil,and specifically the oil sands, is horrible for the world. You know you wouldn't really like them, because they are mostly like me. Trying to defend the industry that brought them a good standard of living. That donated millions to the hospital, the recreation centres, the kids sports leagues. The flights to get workers out of the camps, the Red Cross for the victims and on and on and on.

The science and innovation to simply extract the oil from the sand! All the work done to completely eliminate the need for water in the future. I mean, it was all done for the ENVIRONMENT.

But instead of being moderate and compassionate and sensical by giving the industry some credit, they are "awful awful awful" and you really have no idea what you are talking about because you will only read or see what aligns with your belief system.

My hope is that this gives you some food for thought as you look around at all your modern conveniences today. Most city folk have no idea how all that shit ended up at IKEA just that its there. And when that crap breaks in six months you take it to the dump and bury it.

Oh the hypocrisy...

I am totally with you. The sentiments on this thread are pathetic and I even had a hard time stomaching Eddie's empathetic speeches during the Canadian shows. Essentially everyone on here "feels for the people of Fort McMurray" but at the same time they are blaming these people for bringing this disaster upon themselves. Fort McMurray is an oil industry town and prior to these fires Eddie and the Climatistas on these boards lined-up with Neil Young in agreement that Fort McMurray was "hiroshima" and a "scab on our lives". Eddie at Toronto 1 said there is no doubt that the fires were caused by climate change and if you accept that scientifically nonsensical statement you are basically pointing the finger of responsibility right back at the people of Fort McMurray. These are good people that make their livelihood in an industry that actually benefits us all and if I were them I wouldn't appreciate the elitist finger wagging attached to every charitable dollar.

mickeyrat

hmm. my sense is everyone understands its in part enviromental with the long standing dry conditions and the unuasual heat the area is experiencing. couple that with forrest management that maybe could have been more diligent in its duties. Suspect thats due to budgetary reasons not a lack of competance.
its probable that fire would have occured without the placement of that town or the industry its supporting.

for myself I'm glad critical infrastructure was saved , that everyone is physically ok.

my thoughts as usual are on and continue to be on the responders. Wild fires are a dangerous beast. I hope for their continued safety.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Can someone point to me the post that linked the fire and devastation to tar sand activity?

I have read nothing on here that reeks of insensitivity. Let me rephrase... there is a level of insensitivity, but it's on the misguided part of some trying to create conflict.

Everyone here knows oil is vital to society. Everyone here feels shitty for the Fort Mac people. Everyone here knows those people- like all working people- play their part in a productive society. Most everyone here encourages the best practices possible for the least invasive or destructive measures to extract oil.

Nobody here is saying Fort Mac got what it deserved and this is what has kind of been inferred. It's nonsense.

BS44325

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Can someone point to me the post that linked the fire and devastation to tar sand activity?

I have read nothing on here that reeks of insensitivity. Let me rephrase... there is a level of insensitivity, but it's on the misguided part of some trying to create conflict.

Everyone here knows oil is vital to society. Everyone here feels shitty for the Fort Mac people. Everyone here knows those people- like all working people- play their part in a productive society. Most everyone here encourages the best practices possible for the least invasive or destructive measures to extract oil.

Nobody here is saying Fort Mac got what it deserved and this is what has kind of been inferred. It's nonsense.

Eddie at Toronto 1 said that climate change was responsible. He said to deny this was to disagree with "the scientists". Like Neil he is one that believes that oil should be left in the ground for the sake of the planet and prior to this fire would have not have cared one lick for the people of Fort McMurray had their industry been legislated into oblivian. Obama and now Hillary are looking to legislate coal into oblivian and you don't see anyone caring for the people of West Virginia. I'm sorry but there is an absolute disdain for the energy industry on these boards and a complete disregard for the welfare of their employees and there is a straight line from the belief that the tar stands cause climate change and climate change caused the fire.