Was at The Who show here in Calgary last night. Rodger and Pete gave a nice shout out to the people of Fort Mac. They also had some stuff on the screen backdrop about it after the opening act and during one song (forget which one) Even Shaq gave a shout out on Facebook.
Over 60 million donated to the Red Cross. Amazing. I've thrown a few bucks towards more local charities. Red Cross is cutting a cheque for $600 per adult and $300 per child. Also the provincial government is handing out some loaded up debit cards.
I talked with my friend today who lost her home. She started crying when I brought up all the support. It's just so overwhelming to her... Canadians are the best.
To EV, you are the man. Can't wait to hear the boots
It was a nice shout out at the Quebec, Ottawa shows when Fort McMurray was mentioned. EV stays in tune every city.
That was great! When things like this happends we shouldn't think so much about boundaries and countries, we need only to support each other. I agree with Brianlux.
And I doubt the oil sands are going anywhere ... It's a huge part of the Alberta economy and when oil prices rise again Fort Mac will ramp up production again.
Maybe some of you US folks that are so worried about out oil sands should concentrate on the fracking going on in your country ... Just sayin'
Come on Lukin, do we really need to do this here? Sounds a little bit bating.
Not baiting at all. I never intended for this to ever get political ... Just a place to express our thoughts toward people's who have had their lives turned upside down. just pointing out that your country environmental record is nothing to write home about...
WTF does that have to do with this thread and if you're not bating, why bring it up?
This thread was supposed to be about the Fort Mac fire and up to a point everyone had expressed concern and showed empathy for those who live there. Too bad that didn't work for you, Lukin. I'm surprised. This doesn't sound like you.
Sometimes this train just sucks coal dust. I'm done here.
Good thoughts still going out for the victims of the Fort Mac fire.
Brian...
You made a comment about 'not going into the tar sands issue' that might have come across as a veiled jab to some.
I thought it was pretty benign in nature, but perhaps others saw it differently?
"I can't stand that dirty Alberta oil, but I wish the best for those people." (As long as the new economy consists of a tourist trap which provides a horseback ride of burned out Beacon Hill)
Thank you Thank you (takes a bow) I'll be here for three nights and please try the fish, it's amazing
I know Brian's view of the oil sands. He is entitled to it, it's a free country he lives in. I am entitled to my own as well I guarantee you about 100 percent of those evacuees share my opinion.
^^^^^^ I know Brian's view of the oil sands. He is entitled to it, it's a free country he lives in. I am entitled to my own as well I guarantee you about 100 percent of those evacuees share my opinion.
you're probably right ... i remember when cross-country checkup with rex murphy went to fort mac ... basically, people were calling environmentalists non-human while people cheered ...
And I doubt the oil sands are going anywhere ... It's a huge part of the Alberta economy and when oil prices rise again Fort Mac will ramp up production again.
Maybe some of you US folks that are so worried about out oil sands should concentrate on the fracking going on in your country ... Just sayin'
Come on Lukin, do we really need to do this here? Sounds a little bit bating.
Not baiting at all. I never intended for this to ever get political ... Just a place to express our thoughts toward people's who have had their lives turned upside down. just pointing out that your country environmental record is nothing to write home about...
WTF does that have to do with this thread and if you're not bating, why bring it up?
This thread was supposed to be about the Fort Mac fire and up to a point everyone had expressed concern and showed empathy for those who live there. Too bad that didn't work for you, Lukin. I'm surprised. This doesn't sound like you.
Sometimes this train just sucks coal dust. I'm done here.
Good thoughts still going out for the victims of the Fort Mac fire.
Brian...
You made a comment about 'not going into the tar sands issue' that might have come across as a veiled jab to some.
I thought it was pretty benign in nature, but perhaps others saw it differently?
I just love when Americans point out our flaws ... Then when pointed out that they have far more flaws than we'll ever, screw that ... Let's talk about their fracking, all the coal powered
It's not personnel ... But the thread was not about Fort Mac oil, you brought up the tar sands in a thread about Fort Mac fire.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
And I doubt the oil sands are going anywhere ... It's a huge part of the Alberta economy and when oil prices rise again Fort Mac will ramp up production again.
Maybe some of you US folks that are so worried about out oil sands should concentrate on the fracking going on in your country ... Just sayin'
Come on Lukin, do we really need to do this here? Sounds a little bit bating.
Not baiting at all. I never intended for this to ever get political ... Just a place to express our thoughts toward people's who have had their lives turned upside down. just pointing out that your country environmental record is nothing to write home about...
WTF does that have to do with this thread and if you're not bating, why bring it up?
This thread was supposed to be about the Fort Mac fire and up to a point everyone had expressed concern and showed empathy for those who live there. Too bad that didn't work for you, Lukin. I'm surprised. This doesn't sound like you.
Sometimes this train just sucks coal dust. I'm done here.
Good thoughts still going out for the victims of the Fort Mac fire.
Brian...
You made a comment about 'not going into the tar sands issue' that might have come across as a veiled jab to some.
I thought it was pretty benign in nature, but perhaps others saw it differently?
I just love when Americans point out our flaws ... Then when pointed out that they have far more flaws than we'll ever, screw that ... Let's talk about their fracking, all the coal powered
It's not personnel ... But the thread was not about Fort Mac oil, you brought up the tar sands in a thread about Fort Mac fire.
dudes ... someone else mentioned how they aren't a fan of the tar sands and brian just said he wasn't gonna get into it in this thread ... it wasn't a jab at anyone ...
also - pretty sure americans get it the worst on this forum ... especially from self-righteous canadians such as myself ... haha
this is the internet - no need to always read the worst in comments ...
And I doubt the oil sands are going anywhere ... It's a huge part of the Alberta economy and when oil prices rise again Fort Mac will ramp up production again.
Maybe some of you US folks that are so worried about out oil sands should concentrate on the fracking going on in your country ... Just sayin'
Come on Lukin, do we really need to do this here? Sounds a little bit bating.
Not baiting at all. I never intended for this to ever get political ... Just a place to express our thoughts toward people's who have had their lives turned upside down. just pointing out that your country environmental record is nothing to write home about...
WTF does that have to do with this thread and if you're not bating, why bring it up?
This thread was supposed to be about the Fort Mac fire and up to a point everyone had expressed concern and showed empathy for those who live there. Too bad that didn't work for you, Lukin. I'm surprised. This doesn't sound like you.
Sometimes this train just sucks coal dust. I'm done here.
Good thoughts still going out for the victims of the Fort Mac fire.
Brian...
You made a comment about 'not going into the tar sands issue' that might have come across as a veiled jab to some.
I thought it was pretty benign in nature, but perhaps others saw it differently?
I just love when Americans point out our flaws ... Then when pointed out that they have far more flaws than we'll ever, screw that ... Let's talk about their fracking, all the coal powered
It's not personnel ... But the thread was not about Fort Mac oil, you brought up the tar sands in a thread about Fort Mac fire.
dudes ... someone else mentioned how they aren't a fan of the tar sands and brian just said he wasn't gonna get into it in this thread ... it wasn't a jab at anyone ...
also - pretty sure americans get it the worst on this forum ... especially from self-righteous canadians such as myself ... haha
this is the internet - no need to always read the worst in comments ...
Point taken, but American deserve it ... Hahaha ...
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
And I doubt the oil sands are going anywhere ... It's a huge part of the Alberta economy and when oil prices rise again Fort Mac will ramp up production again.
Maybe some of you US folks that are so worried about out oil sands should concentrate on the fracking going on in your country ... Just sayin'
Come on Lukin, do we really need to do this here? Sounds a little bit bating.
Not baiting at all. I never intended for this to ever get political ... Just a place to express our thoughts toward people's who have had their lives turned upside down. just pointing out that your country environmental record is nothing to write home about...
WTF does that have to do with this thread and if you're not bating, why bring it up?
This thread was supposed to be about the Fort Mac fire and up to a point everyone had expressed concern and showed empathy for those who live there. Too bad that didn't work for you, Lukin. I'm surprised. This doesn't sound like you.
Sometimes this train just sucks coal dust. I'm done here.
Good thoughts still going out for the victims of the Fort Mac fire.
Brian...
You made a comment about 'not going into the tar sands issue' that might have come across as a veiled jab to some.
I thought it was pretty benign in nature, but perhaps others saw it differently?
I just love when Americans point out our flaws ... Then when pointed out that they have far more flaws than we'll ever, screw that ... Let's talk about their fracking, all the coal powered
It's not personnel ... But the thread was not about Fort Mac oil, you brought up the tar sands in a thread about Fort Mac fire.
dudes ... someone else mentioned how they aren't a fan of the tar sands and brian just said he wasn't gonna get into it in this thread ... it wasn't a jab at anyone ...
also - pretty sure americans get it the worst on this forum ... especially from self-righteous canadians such as myself ... haha
this is the internet - no need to always read the worst in comments ...
Point taken, but American deserve it ... Hahaha ...
And I doubt the oil sands are going anywhere ... It's a huge part of the Alberta economy and when oil prices rise again Fort Mac will ramp up production again.
Maybe some of you US folks that are so worried about out oil sands should concentrate on the fracking going on in your country ... Just sayin'
Come on Lukin, do we really need to do this here? Sounds a little bit bating.
Not baiting at all. I never intended for this to ever get political ... Just a place to express our thoughts toward people's who have had their lives turned upside down. just pointing out that your country environmental record is nothing to write home about...
WTF does that have to do with this thread and if you're not bating, why bring it up?
This thread was supposed to be about the Fort Mac fire and up to a point everyone had expressed concern and showed empathy for those who live there. Too bad that didn't work for you, Lukin. I'm surprised. This doesn't sound like you.
Sometimes this train just sucks coal dust. I'm done here.
Good thoughts still going out for the victims of the Fort Mac fire.
Brian...
You made a comment about 'not going into the tar sands issue' that might have come across as a veiled jab to some.
I thought it was pretty benign in nature, but perhaps others saw it differently?
I just love when Americans point out our flaws ... Then when pointed out that they have far more flaws than we'll ever, screw that ... Let's talk about their fracking, all the coal powered
It's not personnel ... But the thread was not about Fort Mac oil, you brought up the tar sands in a thread about Fort Mac fire.
dudes ... someone else mentioned how they aren't a fan of the tar sands and brian just said he wasn't gonna get into it in this thread ... it wasn't a jab at anyone ...
also - pretty sure americans get it the worst on this forum ... especially from self-righteous canadians such as myself ... haha
this is the internet - no need to always read the worst in comments ...
Point taken, but American deserve it ... Hahaha ...
sure ... but this thread is about empathy ...
Exactly, this is not some hockey game, this is a nature and human disaster.
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And I doubt the oil sands are going anywhere ... It's a huge part of the Alberta economy and when oil prices rise again Fort Mac will ramp up production again.
Maybe some of you US folks that are so worried about out oil sands should concentrate on the fracking going on in your country ... Just sayin'
Come on Lukin, do we really need to do this here? Sounds a little bit bating.
Not baiting at all. I never intended for this to ever get political ... Just a place to express our thoughts toward people's who have had their lives turned upside down. just pointing out that your country environmental record is nothing to write home about...
WTF does that have to do with this thread and if you're not bating, why bring it up?
This thread was supposed to be about the Fort Mac fire and up to a point everyone had expressed concern and showed empathy for those who live there. Too bad that didn't work for you, Lukin. I'm surprised. This doesn't sound like you.
Sometimes this train just sucks coal dust. I'm done here.
Good thoughts still going out for the victims of the Fort Mac fire.
Brian...
You made a comment about 'not going into the tar sands issue' that might have come across as a veiled jab to some.
I thought it was pretty benign in nature, but perhaps others saw it differently?
I just love when Americans point out our flaws ... Then when pointed out that they have far more flaws than we'll ever, screw that ... Let's talk about their fracking, all the coal powered
It's not personnel ... But the thread was not about Fort Mac oil, you brought up the tar sands in a thread about Fort Mac fire.
dudes ... someone else mentioned how they aren't a fan of the tar sands and brian just said he wasn't gonna get into it in this thread ... it wasn't a jab at anyone ...
also - pretty sure americans get it the worst on this forum ... especially from self-righteous canadians such as myself ... haha
this is the internet - no need to always read the worst in comments ...
Point taken, but American deserve it ... Hahaha ...
sure ... but this thread is about empathy ...
Exactly, this is not some hockey game, this is a nature and human disaster.
Exactly, thank you Anna and Polaris for getting it.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
But like every other thread, the flow of conversation naturally drifts into related, semi related, and completely unrelated topics at times.
This doesn't diminish the 'empathy' in any way. If it was only about empathy... 12 pages of 'Oh dear' could be reduced to the very first response that might have said, "This is the shits. Poor people" with nothing further necessary.
In all threads, there are some comments I read, some I skim, some I support, some I am opposed to, and some I ignore. Do as you please with what contributors offer.
The alternative is everybody offering nothing and the forum being as vanilla as it could be.
And I doubt the oil sands are going anywhere ... It's a huge part of the Alberta economy and when oil prices rise again Fort Mac will ramp up production again.
Maybe some of you US folks that are so worried about out oil sands should concentrate on the fracking going on in your country ... Just sayin'
Come on Lukin, do we really need to do this here? Sounds a little bit bating.
Not baiting at all. I never intended for this to ever get political ... Just a place to express our thoughts toward people's who have had their lives turned upside down. just pointing out that your country environmental record is nothing to write home about...
WTF does that have to do with this thread and if you're not bating, why bring it up?
This thread was supposed to be about the Fort Mac fire and up to a point everyone had expressed concern and showed empathy for those who live there. Too bad that didn't work for you, Lukin. I'm surprised. This doesn't sound like you.
Sometimes this train just sucks coal dust. I'm done here.
Good thoughts still going out for the victims of the Fort Mac fire.
Brian...
You made a comment about 'not going into the tar sands issue' that might have come across as a veiled jab to some.
I thought it was pretty benign in nature, but perhaps others saw it differently?
I just love when Americans point out our flaws ... Then when pointed out that they have far more flaws than we'll ever, screw that ... Let's talk about their fracking, all the coal powered
It's not personnel ... But the thread was not about Fort Mac oil, you brought up the tar sands in a thread about Fort Mac fire.
dudes ... someone else mentioned how they aren't a fan of the tar sands and brian just said he wasn't gonna get into it in this thread ... it wasn't a jab at anyone ...
also - pretty sure americans get it the worst on this forum ... especially from self-righteous canadians such as myself ... haha
this is the internet - no need to always read the worst in comments ...
Point taken, but American deserve it ... Hahaha ...
sure ... but this thread is about empathy ...
I agree, but why even bring up the tars sands? How many fort mac dirty oil or environmental threads exist already?
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
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OK, here, as I see it, is the line of thinking of a few of you on this thread:
brianlux is outspoken on environmental issues and has elsewhere expressed negative feelings about the extraction and use of tar-sands oil. -->
The Fort Mac fire is a disaster for us Canadians and anyone who is against tar sands oil is against us and therefore has no concern for the plight of our people and no right to make comments about the fire in Alberta. -->
brianlux believes the people of Alberta "had it coming" with this fire because of his beliefs about tar sands oil.
Look, the logic here is broken and ludicrous. I have nowhere on this thread indicated anything but concern for the people and wildlife of Alberta. I have mentioned my own concerns about wildfires due to living in a fire sensitive area myself and thus am empathetic. I have expressed this empathy and extended my concern for the people of Alberta repeated in this thread. That some of you choose to ignore my concern and instead use me as a scape goat for your anger regarding the fire and let your broken logic lead you to believe I am antagonistic about this situation and the victims of the fire is your choice. I have not done that. You might want to look at your misplaced anger but if you're going to continue to misconstrue my statements here then maybe nothing I will say will stop you from doing that. I will consider any further belittling and misrepresentation of my words here to simply be bating and will not respond to you any further on this thread.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
OK, here, as I see it, is the line of thinking of a few of you on this thread:
brianlux is outspoken on environmental issues and has elsewhere expressed negative feelings about the extraction and use of tar-sands oil. -->
The Fort Mac fire is a disaster for us Canadians and anyone who is against tar sands oil is against us and therefore has no concern for the plight of our people and no right to make comments about the fire in Alberta. -->
brianlux believes the people of Alberta "had it coming" with this fire because of his beliefs about tar sands oil.
Look, the logic here is broken and ludicrous. I have nowhere on this thread indicated anything but concern for the people and wildlife of Alberta. I have mentioned my own concerns about wildfires due to living in a fire sensitive area myself and thus am empathetic. I have expressed this empathy and extended my concern for the people of Alberta repeated in this thread. That some of you choose to ignore my concern and instead use me as a scape goat for your anger regarding the fire and let your broken logic lead you to believe I am antagonistic about this situation and the victims of the fire is your choice. I have not done that. You might want to look at your misplaced anger but if you're going to continue to misconstrue my statements here then maybe nothing I will say will stop you from doing that. I will consider any further belittling and misrepresentation of my words here to simply be bating and will not respond to you any further on this thread.
You're off base here.
I'll speak to the moment by offering the following:
Earlier, you alluded to the tar sands 'in an off hand way'.
Lukin responded to that comment about fracking 'in an off hand way'.
Then you essentially chastised Lukin for disregarding the integrity of the thread- forgetting that his comment was in response to yours... and on we went.
Wtf? Have I missed something? How have we gone from a couple playful jabs to someone feeling as if they are under attack?
And I doubt the oil sands are going anywhere ... It's a huge part of the Alberta economy and when oil prices rise again Fort Mac will ramp up production again.
Maybe some of you US folks that are so worried about out oil sands should concentrate on the fracking going on in your country ... Just sayin'
Come on Lukin, do we really need to do this here? Sounds a little bit bating.
Not baiting at all. I never intended for this to ever get political ... Just a place to express our thoughts toward people's who have had their lives turned upside down. just pointing out that your country environmental record is nothing to write home about...
WTF does that have to do with this thread and if you're not bating, why bring it up?
This thread was supposed to be about the Fort Mac fire and up to a point everyone had expressed concern and showed empathy for those who live there. Too bad that didn't work for you, Lukin. I'm surprised. This doesn't sound like you.
Sometimes this train just sucks coal dust. I'm done here.
Good thoughts still going out for the victims of the Fort Mac fire.
No offense Brian, but I feel like you were more the "baiter" in this case....
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
And I doubt the oil sands are going anywhere ... It's a huge part of the Alberta economy and when oil prices rise again Fort Mac will ramp up production again.
Maybe some of you US folks that are so worried about out oil sands should concentrate on the fracking going on in your country ... Just sayin'
Come on Lukin, do we really need to do this here? Sounds a little bit bating.
Not baiting at all. I never intended for this to ever get political ... Just a place to express our thoughts toward people's who have had their lives turned upside down. just pointing out that your country environmental record is nothing to write home about...
WTF does that have to do with this thread and if you're not bating, why bring it up?
This thread was supposed to be about the Fort Mac fire and up to a point everyone had expressed concern and showed empathy for those who live there. Too bad that didn't work for you, Lukin. I'm surprised. This doesn't sound like you.
Sometimes this train just sucks coal dust. I'm done here.
Good thoughts still going out for the victims of the Fort Mac fire.
Brian...
You made a comment about 'not going into the tar sands issue' that might have come across as a veiled jab to some.
I thought it was pretty benign in nature, but perhaps others saw it differently?
I just love when Americans point out our flaws ... Then when pointed out that they have far more flaws than we'll ever, screw that ... Let's talk about their fracking, all the coal powered
It's not personnel ... But the thread was not about Fort Mac oil, you brought up the tar sands in a thread about Fort Mac fire.
dudes ... someone else mentioned how they aren't a fan of the tar sands and brian just said he wasn't gonna get into it in this thread ... it wasn't a jab at anyone ...
also - pretty sure americans get it the worst on this forum ... especially from self-righteous canadians such as myself ... haha
this is the internet - no need to always read the worst in comments ...
Point taken, but American deserve it ... Hahaha ...
sure ... but this thread is about empathy ...
I agree, but why even bring up the tars sands? How many fort mac dirty oil or environmental threads exist already?
AGAIN ... brian wasn't the one who brought up the tar sands ... PJSoul was ...
And I doubt the oil sands are going anywhere ... It's a huge part of the Alberta economy and when oil prices rise again Fort Mac will ramp up production again.
Maybe some of you US folks that are so worried about out oil sands should concentrate on the fracking going on in your country ... Just sayin'
Come on Lukin, do we really need to do this here? Sounds a little bit bating.
Not baiting at all. I never intended for this to ever get political ... Just a place to express our thoughts toward people's who have had their lives turned upside down. just pointing out that your country environmental record is nothing to write home about...
WTF does that have to do with this thread and if you're not bating, why bring it up?
This thread was supposed to be about the Fort Mac fire and up to a point everyone had expressed concern and showed empathy for those who live there. Too bad that didn't work for you, Lukin. I'm surprised. This doesn't sound like you.
Sometimes this train just sucks coal dust. I'm done here.
Good thoughts still going out for the victims of the Fort Mac fire.
Brian...
You made a comment about 'not going into the tar sands issue' that might have come across as a veiled jab to some.
I thought it was pretty benign in nature, but perhaps others saw it differently?
I just love when Americans point out our flaws ... Then when pointed out that they have far more flaws than we'll ever, screw that ... Let's talk about their fracking, all the coal powered
It's not personnel ... But the thread was not about Fort Mac oil, you brought up the tar sands in a thread about Fort Mac fire.
dudes ... someone else mentioned how they aren't a fan of the tar sands and brian just said he wasn't gonna get into it in this thread ... it wasn't a jab at anyone ...
also - pretty sure americans get it the worst on this forum ... especially from self-righteous canadians such as myself ... haha
this is the internet - no need to always read the worst in comments ...
Point taken, but American deserve it ... Hahaha ...
sure ... but this thread is about empathy ...
I agree, but why even bring up the tars sands? How many fort mac dirty oil or environmental threads exist already?
AGAIN ... brian wasn't the one who brought up the tar sands ... PJSoul was ...
Lol.
Control-alt-delete
PJSoul... we should have known!
I'm officially the most confused person in this thread ya bunch of tar sand lovers.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
fire still raging but looks like town is safe although they haven't cleared it really for people to come back ... crews are trying to restore power and gas to the city ...
And I doubt the oil sands are going anywhere ... It's a huge part of the Alberta economy and when oil prices rise again Fort Mac will ramp up production again.
Maybe some of you US folks that are so worried about out oil sands should concentrate on the fracking going on in your country ... Just sayin'
Come on Lukin, do we really need to do this here? Sounds a little bit bating.
Not baiting at all. I never intended for this to ever get political ... Just a place to express our thoughts toward people's who have had their lives turned upside down. just pointing out that your country environmental record is nothing to write home about...
WTF does that have to do with this thread and if you're not bating, why bring it up?
This thread was supposed to be about the Fort Mac fire and up to a point everyone had expressed concern and showed empathy for those who live there. Too bad that didn't work for you, Lukin. I'm surprised. This doesn't sound like you.
Sometimes this train just sucks coal dust. I'm done here.
Good thoughts still going out for the victims of the Fort Mac fire.
Brian...
You made a comment about 'not going into the tar sands issue' that might have come across as a veiled jab to some.
I thought it was pretty benign in nature, but perhaps others saw it differently?
I just love when Americans point out our flaws ... Then when pointed out that they have far more flaws than we'll ever, screw that ... Let's talk about their fracking, all the coal powered
It's not personnel ... But the thread was not about Fort Mac oil, you brought up the tar sands in a thread about Fort Mac fire.
dudes ... someone else mentioned how they aren't a fan of the tar sands and brian just said he wasn't gonna get into it in this thread ... it wasn't a jab at anyone ...
also - pretty sure americans get it the worst on this forum ... especially from self-righteous canadians such as myself ... haha
this is the internet - no need to always read the worst in comments ...
Point taken, but American deserve it ... Hahaha ...
sure ... but this thread is about empathy ...
I agree, but why even bring up the tars sands? How many fort mac dirty oil or environmental threads exist already?
AGAIN ... brian wasn't the one who brought up the tar sands ... PJSoul was ...
Correct. I said that, no matter how a person feels about the tar sands, such a sudden and dramatic impact to the economy as the fire has caused at the tar sands is harmful to everyone. I then skipped a bunch of posts. I don't know how my comment caused controversy, lol.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Brian and I have moved on ... Maybe we can all move past the tar sand comments in this thread...
I'd rather not. It is a SIGNIFICANT factor in this disaster, and not because the tar sands are bad for the environment. So many of the victims' lives are directly tied to the tar sands, so the status of the tar sands and their operations that have been disrupted is a direct reflection of how the victims of the fire are doing moving forward.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
any responder injuries? those folks getting enough rest, water and food?
Apparently yes, bunch of superheros, no major injuries among fighters. They seem to have had a pretty amazing guy in charge who has become a true heroic symbol to the evacuees. Darby Allen. He just stepped out of the role of head of emergency operations for the disaster today, now that the emergency is pretty much over, to allow recovery to begin. He did a good job, I guess he's now going back to being a regular fire chief again, and doing all the things that that entails right now in Fort McMurray.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Brian and I have moved on ... Maybe we can all move past the tar sand comments in this thread...
I'd rather not. It is a SIGNIFICANT factor in this disaster, and not because the tar sands are bad for the environment. So many of the victims' lives are directly tied to the tar sands, so the status of the tar sands and their operations that have been disrupted is a direct reflection of how the victims of the fire are doing moving forward.
I hear what you are saying. I meant we've moved on about that particular debate in this thread. But it is an open thread so posters are free to debate the tar sands...if that makes sense...haha...on my phone hard to type long responses.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
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brianlux
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Brian and I have moved on ... Maybe we can all move past the tar sand comments in this thread...
I'd rather not. It is a SIGNIFICANT factor in this disaster, and not because the tar sands are bad for the environment. So many of the victims' lives are directly tied to the tar sands, so the status of the tar sands and their operations that have been disrupted is a direct reflection of how the victims of the fire are doing moving forward.
I hear what you are saying. I meant we've moved on about that particular debate in this thread. But it is an open thread so posters are free to debate the tar sands...if that makes sense...haha...on my phone hard to type long responses.
Lukin, I appreciate that you and I graciously moved on here. Again, thank you.
PJ_Soul, if I have appeared to be bating anywhere here, I apologize. That was never my intention. If we were discussing in a thread specific to tar sands, you know I would not back down and would probably get some real heat from some of you and that's fine- I get it. But my impression is that this thread is (or should be) about how devastating this fire is. I get no joy from seeing or hearing about the suffering of humans and wildlife.
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Brian and I have moved on ... Maybe we can all move past the tar sand comments in this thread...
I'd rather not. It is a SIGNIFICANT factor in this disaster, and not because the tar sands are bad for the environment. So many of the victims' lives are directly tied to the tar sands, so the status of the tar sands and their operations that have been disrupted is a direct reflection of how the victims of the fire are doing moving forward.
I hear what you are saying. I meant we've moved on about that particular debate in this thread. But it is an open thread so posters are free to debate the tar sands...if that makes sense...haha...on my phone hard to type long responses.
Lukin, I appreciate that you and I graciously moved on here. Again, thank you.
PJ_Soul, if I have appeared to be bating anywhere here, I apologize. That was never my intention. If we were discussing in a thread specific to tar sands, you know I would not back down and would probably get some real heat from some of you and that's fine- I get it. But my impression is that this thread is (or should be) about how devastating this fire is. I get no joy from seeing or hearing about the suffering of humans and wildlife.
Brian no problem ... And totally agree good thoughts and best wishes for the residents of Fort Mac. Thanks to you as well.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
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Was at The Who show here in Calgary last night. Rodger and Pete gave a nice shout out to the people of Fort Mac.
They also had some stuff on the screen backdrop about it after the opening act and during one song (forget which one)
Even Shaq gave a shout out on Facebook.
Over 60 million donated to the Red Cross. Amazing. I've thrown a few bucks towards more local charities. Red Cross is cutting a cheque for $600 per adult and $300 per child.
Also the provincial government is handing out some loaded up debit cards.
I talked with my friend today who lost her home. She started crying when I brought up all the support. It's just so overwhelming to her... Canadians are the best.
To EV, you are the man. Can't wait to hear the boots
When things like this happends we shouldn't think so much about boundaries and countries, we need only to support each other. I agree with Brianlux.
You made a comment about 'not going into the tar sands issue' that might have come across as a veiled jab to some.
I thought it was pretty benign in nature, but perhaps others saw it differently?
It comes across like this -
"I can't stand that dirty Alberta oil, but I wish the best for those people." (As long as the new economy consists of a tourist trap which provides a horseback ride of burned out Beacon Hill)
Thank you Thank you (takes a bow)
I'll be here for three nights and please try the fish, it's amazing
I know Brian's view of the oil sands. He is entitled to it, it's a free country he lives in. I am entitled to my own as well
I guarantee you about 100 percent of those evacuees share my opinion.
It's not personnel ... But the thread was not about Fort Mac oil, you brought up the tar sands in a thread about Fort Mac fire.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
also - pretty sure americans get it the worst on this forum ... especially from self-righteous canadians such as myself ... haha
this is the internet - no need to always read the worst in comments ...
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
This doesn't diminish the 'empathy' in any way. If it was only about empathy... 12 pages of 'Oh dear' could be reduced to the very first response that might have said, "This is the shits. Poor people" with nothing further necessary.
In all threads, there are some
comments I read, some I skim, some I support, some I am opposed to, and some I ignore. Do as you please with what contributors offer.
The alternative is everybody offering nothing and the forum being as vanilla as it could be.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
brianlux is outspoken on environmental issues and has elsewhere expressed negative feelings about the extraction and use of tar-sands oil. -->
The Fort Mac fire is a disaster for us Canadians and anyone who is against tar sands oil is against us and therefore has no concern for the plight of our people and no right to make comments about the fire in Alberta. -->
brianlux believes the people of Alberta "had it coming" with this fire because of his beliefs about tar sands oil.
Look, the logic here is broken and ludicrous. I have nowhere on this thread indicated anything but concern for the people and wildlife of Alberta. I have mentioned my own concerns about wildfires due to living in a fire sensitive area myself and thus am empathetic. I have expressed this empathy and extended my concern for the people of Alberta repeated in this thread. That some of you choose to ignore my concern and instead use me as a scape goat for your anger regarding the fire and let your broken logic lead you to believe I am antagonistic about this situation and the victims of the fire is your choice. I have not done that. You might want to look at your misplaced anger but if you're going to continue to misconstrue my statements here then maybe nothing I will say will stop you from doing that. I will consider any further belittling and misrepresentation of my words here to simply be bating and will not respond to you any further on this thread.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I'll speak to the moment by offering the following:
Earlier, you alluded to the tar sands 'in an off hand way'.
Lukin responded to that comment about fracking 'in an off hand way'.
Then you essentially chastised Lukin for disregarding the integrity of the thread- forgetting that his comment was in response to yours... and on we went.
Wtf? Have I missed something? How have we gone from a couple playful jabs to someone feeling as if they are under attack?
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PJSoul... we should have known!
I'm officially the most confused person in this thread ya bunch of tar sand lovers.
(Yes PJS... I'm goofing around).
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
PJ_Soul, if I have appeared to be bating anywhere here, I apologize. That was never my intention. If we were discussing in a thread specific to tar sands, you know I would not back down and would probably get some real heat from some of you and that's fine- I get it. But my impression is that this thread is (or should be) about how devastating this fire is. I get no joy from seeing or hearing about the suffering of humans and wildlife.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon