The heroic efforts of the first responders... it just cannot be put into words.
That they have saved all the city's critical infrastructure... just remarkable. Not out of the woods yet, it is another tough day with low humidity, high temps and wind. Mother nature needs to give them a break, they need rain.
My friend found out today her house has been turned to ash. Sent me a picture. She is devastated. Reality is starting to set in for these folks...
Kudos to Notley (our premier) for stepping up to the plate. I am impressed so far with her leadership in a very tough situation.
Thank you, thank you thank you, for saying this....I know you tend to lean right, so I respect that you are not part of the social media government mob.....There is such an incredible amount of partisan misinformation over the govt response on fb - its staggering....so many people using this tragedy to push their agenda. It's really depressing I'm also freaked out by the number of threatening posts I've seen against environmentalists/idiots who have made hateful or inappropriate comments about the situation...I have no problem calling these people out - they deserve it....but there are viral posts circulating with screenshots of the offensive posts, with the writer's personal info in them, and angry threats in the comments....I wouldn't be surprised if it led to someone being hurt.
I have been involved in a number of fair sized construction projects within the townsite of ft Mac, and two in the actual oilfields....haven't lived there or had any extended stays, but I know the town pretty well. With the downturn in oil, the working population was down, and the camps thousands evacuated to north of the city had a lot of vacancies....can't imagine how much worse things could have been - there is only one highway thru town - continues north and south. The videos pj soul posted are from people leaving to the south....that highway was closed for a few hours so a lot of people went north and are still stuck up there. The town of high level and county of lac st Anne were evacuated the same day because of different fires... We went through something similar (smaller scale) in Slave Lake in 2011....had a friend lose their house in that one. These fires are definitely extraordinary; I don't recall any thing like the slave lake / ft Mac fires in all the years I've lived here. People here like to joke that with our harsh winters, global warming isn't a bad thing for us.....I'm starting to wonder if we will be a scorched dustbowl in 50 years. Hardly any snow this year, mildest winter I can remember.....like so many regions, we need rain badly. The outpouring of support from my home town (Edmonton), the province, country, world, has been amazing....lots of really generous people out there, and heartwarming stories being told.
This is a great post. This is not a time to push a political agenda, no matter which way you lean. I believe Trudeau should be in Lac La Biche and Edmonton shaking hands and kissing babies, but Albertans (especially Fort Mac) are strong people and will get through this.
Now I don't have any social media outlet, but I have avoided reading the comments of ignorant people at the bottom of Internet stories because I want to maintain some faith in humanity. I can imagine there has been some sentiment from the environmental left that it is "karma" and that kind of nonsense.
If you are one of those people, you should be ashamed of yourself. Being smug in this kind of situation is deplorable.
You would probably describe me as being one of those on the "environmental left" and yet I will tell you this: I have nothing but empathy for those who are affected by this fire. I live in a semi-arid climate that has gotten drier in my almost 65 years and I am very concerned about global warming and its affect on climate including increased risk to the lives and heath of humans alike. But that's a bigger, broader picture. In the midst of a catastrophe such as what is going on in Alberta, my thoughts have been for those affected, not some "political agenda".
You might want to look at your statement and consider your own bad "karma" and misplaced jabs at environmentally concerned people such as myself and others here. You're the one creating the ill will that way here, not those of us who are concerned both about the environment AND the well being of our fellow humans and wild life.
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I have heard from others that on Internet news stories in the comment sections below those stories, certain people of the enviro-left have made those kinds of statements,. it is karma, they deserve it for what they have done to the environment, etc.
If you make those kinds of statements in the middle of a crisis, you are an asshole. (You in a general sense, one of the 6 billion people in the world).
I have not seen any, nor do I care to. This is why I am not looking at those comment sections. The post was general and not aimed at anyone in particular and definitely not anyone here.
I do know of one wannabe politician (who lost) who posted "karma" on Twitter but then took it down. Too bad, the damage was done. Just brutal and mind boggling at the same time.
So, I meant no ill will, but you would also have to realize that like the crazy wild way to the right assholes in the world like the Tea Party Republicans, there are some waaaay too far to the left crazy environmentalists who could care less about people as well. So far left its regressive.
I never meant for this to get political in any way. This is about those people.
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I have heard from others that on Internet news stories in the comment sections below those stories, certain people of the enviro-left have made those kinds of statements,. it is karma, they deserve it for what they have done to the environment, etc.
If you make those kinds of statements in the middle of a crisis, you are an asshole. (You in a general sense, one of the 6 billion people in the world).
I have not seen any, nor do I care to. This is why I am not looking at those comment sections. The post was general and not aimed at anyone in particular and definitely not anyone here.
I do know of one wannabe politician (who lost) who posted "karma" on Twitter but then took it down. Too bad, the damage was done. Just brutal and mind boggling at the same time.
So, I meant no ill will, but you would also have to realize that like the crazy wild way to the right assholes in the world like the Tea Party Republicans, there are some waaaay too far to the left crazy environmentalists who could care less about people as well. So far left its regressive.
I never meant for this to get political in any way. This is about those people.
I'm sorry if I misunderstood. What you said sounded kind of accusatory but I guess I was wrong. I get a little defensive about people labeling radical environmentalists as a-holes or whatever. Not all radical environmentalists and certainly no true environmentalist is like that. We are often described inaccurately. For example, both the original Earth First! group and Sea Shepherd Conservation Society have been labeled "terrorists". Neither are terrorist organizations. Both have engaged in acts of sabotage but the number one rule (emphasized) of both organizations is DO NO HARM TO ANYONE! Before anything else, that is the paramount rule of these organizations. Members of those organizations view all life, human and wild, as sacred and would never wish ill-will on anyone. Anyone who does wish ill-will or says "they had it coming" is not a true environmentalist. That kind of person could better be called an "asshole". Please understand what I'm saying about the difference between a true environmentalist and a person who is hateful, vengeful and wishes ill-will on others. There is a vast difference between the two.
Thanks for helping get us back on track here.
Good thoughts going out for our friends to the north.
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I haven't heard anyone say anything anywhere that doesn't come across as support. Maybe I frequent the wrong places, but if anyone around here said anything along the lines of what you suggest... they'd be shredded.
I did see a few people post some stuff about this on Facebook, and yeah, as mentioned, some idiot in the NDP party posted something like that on Twitter. Obviously that stirred up some controversy and spurned a few little backlash articles in the media, but it was basically dismissed as idiotic and pathetic. Probably damaged the career of whatever douchebag posted it. And of course some random internet trolls posted some similar stuff.... All easy to ignore. Not really worth thinking about. I am far left and have major issues with the tar sands, and I find this fire completely unrelated to all of those issues. Only a moron would seek to make a connection.
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Rachel Notley admits to personally starting Fort McMurray wildfire
EDMONTON - After days of dodging important questions from Rebel Media and uncles’ facebook pages alike, Alberta premier Rachel Notley came clean today and admitted that she intentionally created the fire that has caused the evacuation of the entire city of Fort McMurray.
“It is time to confess my sins,” said an emotional Notley at a press conference announcing the news. “Not only did I ignore the wildfire as it spread, not only did I divert resources from firefighters in order to house Syrian refugees and fund gay weddings, I actually travelled in secret to an area outside Fort McMurray and started a fire using gasoline and a flame thrower.”
“I even charged the cost of the gasoline to the taxpayer, proving your conservative friends right yet again,” she added.
Notley went on to acknowledge that she did what she did because she hates the oilsands, the people who work there, and the people of Alberta as a whole.
“Let me be clear. It is the NDP government’s policy to do everything it can to impoverish, endanger, and outright murder each and every person in this godforsaken province. That Wild Rose supporter you knew in highschool has been right about us all along.”
The announcement coincided with a list of future actions Notley would take unless stopped, which include closing the West Edmonton Mall and shutting down the Calgary stampede so the bulls could live on a vegan-run co-op farm where they will help schoolchildren learn to speak Arabic.
Despite their success, the province’s social media deputies were not ready to rest on their laurels, as they were already hot on the trail of Notley’s suspected accomplice: Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.
Rachel Notley admits to personally starting Fort McMurray wildfire
EDMONTON - After days of dodging important questions from Rebel Media and uncles’ facebook pages alike, Alberta premier Rachel Notley came clean today and admitted that she intentionally created the fire that has caused the evacuation of the entire city of Fort McMurray.
“It is time to confess my sins,” said an emotional Notley at a press conference announcing the news. “Not only did I ignore the wildfire as it spread, not only did I divert resources from firefighters in order to house Syrian refugees and fund gay weddings, I actually travelled in secret to an area outside Fort McMurray and started a fire using gasoline and a flame thrower.”
“I even charged the cost of the gasoline to the taxpayer, proving your conservative friends right yet again,” she added.
Notley went on to acknowledge that she did what she did because she hates the oilsands, the people who work there, and the people of Alberta as a whole.
“Let me be clear. It is the NDP government’s policy to do everything it can to impoverish, endanger, and outright murder each and every person in this godforsaken province. That Wild Rose supporter you knew in highschool has been right about us all along.”
The announcement coincided with a list of future actions Notley would take unless stopped, which include closing the West Edmonton Mall and shutting down the Calgary stampede so the bulls could live on a vegan-run co-op farm where they will help schoolchildren learn to speak Arabic.
Despite their success, the province’s social media deputies were not ready to rest on their laurels, as they were already hot on the trail of Notley’s suspected accomplice: Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.
I must say that I do feel for the people who had to flee. BUT.......Why the hell would you wait until a fire that size is on your doorstep before you decide it is time to evacuate? The videos are only so shocking, because the fire was so close, because you waited. I don't know about everybody else, but if a fire the size of a small city was off in the distance and moving, rapidly towards my house, I may have been out of there in a heartbeat.
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I haven't heard anyone say anything anywhere that doesn't come across as support. Maybe I frequent the wrong places, but if anyone around here said anything along the lines of what you suggest... they'd be shredded.
Some of my co-workers have read some of that sentiment. In fact, a fellow who ran for the NDP in the provincial election (and lost) posted one word on Twitter. KARMA. He took it down, but that is just mind-boggling.
No one on here has said anything like that. PJ fans are great people.
when I read that I was SO disgusted.
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I must say that I do feel for the people who had to flee. BUT.......Why the hell would you wait until a fire that size is on your doorstep before you decide it is time to evacuate? The videos are only so shocking, because the fire was so close, because you waited. I don't know about everybody else, but if a fire the size of a small city was off in the distance and moving, rapidly towards my house, I may have been out of there in a heartbeat.
abandoning your home is a big deal. it may have gotten much worse in a very short time period. I'm not sure. but uprooting your family to whoknowswhere is not done easily. it can be very costly and risky (job loss, etc).
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
I must say that I do feel for the people who had to flee. BUT.......Why the hell would you wait until a fire that size is on your doorstep before you decide it is time to evacuate? The videos are only so shocking, because the fire was so close, because you waited. I don't know about everybody else, but if a fire the size of a small city was off in the distance and moving, rapidly towards my house, I may have been out of there in a heartbeat.
Why? Because it appears the folks of Fort Mac listened to officials ... And since there were 2 fatalities (motor vehicle accident) out of 80000 plus people's, I would say everything went as well as could be expected ... The people of Fort Mac can be proud, it appears many people were looking out for each other and I didn't hear of any me first mentality that can often happen in these emergencies. As well this country can be proud of it citizens who stepped up and donated big time ... And most importantly Canada dealt with this crisis internally.
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It is amazing how well the evacuation went, especially as there could have been fewer fatalities but I am surprised the resident weren't told to leave sooner. We are in a very fire prone area and when fire strikes, evacuations occur quickly because wildfire is known to spread quickly. In any case, the videos show the Fort Mac people driving orderly. It would have been more chaotic in some places.
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It is amazing how well the evacuation went, especially as there could have been fewer fatalities but I am surprised the resident weren't told to leave sooner. We are in a very fire prone area and when fire strikes, evacuations occur quickly because wildfire is known to spread quickly. In any case, the videos show the Fort Mac people driving orderly. It would have been more chaotic in some places.
I've never been to Fort Mac myself ... but I'm guessing what may have helped is that the vast majority of people who go to Fort Mac is for work ... so these said people are used to hustling ... so maybe it shouldn't be a surprise that when told to hustle and get out they did.
Our national news has reported today that some people's did actually stay and ride out the fire and town by-law officers and the RCMP are not asking them to leave.
It also sounds like Fort Mac lost 1600 structures but far more than that was saved ... it could have been far worse.
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The fire simplyvspread that fast and that unpredictably. People just didn't have time to act faster.
So... Still no one allowed back into town, and it could be weeks still (hopefully not). Just saw that some kind of virus is rampaging through the evacuee centres. fever and vomiting and diarrhea... in a fucking evacuee centre. Ugh. Just when you think things can't get worse... Finally, the fire/evacuations have reduced the tar sands production by 1,000,000 barrels a days, which is supposedly 0.5% of the GDP. And of course thousands who aren't working/earning. I am no fan of the tar sands, but sudden impacts like that to the economy can be damaging. But on a positive note, there are already job fairs around the province hiring workers to rebuild the city, and hundreds and hundreds of the unemployed are showing up and finding both skilled and unskilled jobs. So that's something i guess.
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^^^ Viral gastroenteritis- to have that outside the comforts of home, major bummer. Double good thoughts/best wishes of Albertan fire victims.
I won't go into the tar sands issue here but undoubtedly it will be discussed elsewhere.
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^^^ Viral gastroenteritis- to have that outside the comforts of home, major bummer. Double good thoughts/best wishes of Albertan fire victims.
I won't go into the tar sands issue here but undoubtedly it will be discussed elsewhere.
I will , only as far to inquire if there is or was ever any danger of this fire reaching storage tanks, loading racks, loaded rail cars, pumping stations in the region. That Bakken crude is volatile stuff. Oil Sands on their own are stable but too thick to pump. much lighter oil is blended with it to improve viscosity prior to refinement. This blend is said to rival bakkan crude in explosive volatility.
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And I doubt the oil sands are going anywhere ... It's a huge part of the Alberta economy and when oil prices rise again Fort Mac will ramp up production again.
Maybe some of you US folks that are so worried about out oil sands should concentrate on the fracking going on in your country ... Just sayin'
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how it starts can be a multitude of ways but it's intensity and range can be tied to fire suppression policies and global warming ...
in the US many locales use their budget up early in the season as fires have gotten more intense and larger. using dollars meant for preventive measures in the fighting of actual fires. compounds the problem. more ready fuel, not enough money, and some folks building in more remote wilderness locations. which means focus has to go to those locations as a life safety measure.
I'd be good with saying those folks are on their own. you know the risk going in.
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And I doubt the oil sands are going anywhere ... It's a huge part of the Alberta economy and when oil prices rise again Fort Mac will ramp up production again.
Maybe some of you US folks that are so worried about out oil sands should concentrate on the fracking going on in your country ... Just sayin'
Come on Lukin, do we really need to do this here? Sounds a little bit bating.
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And I doubt the oil sands are going anywhere ... It's a huge part of the Alberta economy and when oil prices rise again Fort Mac will ramp up production again.
Maybe some of you US folks that are so worried about out oil sands should concentrate on the fracking going on in your country ... Just sayin'
Come on Lukin, do we really need to do this here? Sounds a little bit bating.
Not baiting at all. I never intended for this to ever get political ... Just a place to express our thoughts toward people's who have had their lives turned upside down. just pointing out that your country environmental record is nothing to write home about...
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"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
how it starts can be a multitude of ways but it's intensity and range can be tied to fire suppression policies and global warming ...
in the US many locales use their budget up early in the season as fires have gotten more intense and larger. using dollars meant for preventive measures in the fighting of actual fires. compounds the problem. more ready fuel, not enough money, and some folks building in more remote wilderness locations. which means focus has to go to those locations as a life safety measure.
I'd be good with saying those folks are on their own. you know the risk going in.
You have an excellent point .... Urban sprawl can be problematic
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
how it starts can be a multitude of ways but it's intensity and range can be tied to fire suppression policies and global warming ...
in the US many locales use their budget up early in the season as fires have gotten more intense and larger. using dollars meant for preventive measures in the fighting of actual fires. compounds the problem. more ready fuel, not enough money, and some folks building in more remote wilderness locations. which means focus has to go to those locations as a life safety measure.
I'd be good with saying those folks are on their own. you know the risk going in.
You have an excellent point .... Urban sprawl can be problematic
am curious. to what extent was forest management funding cut under your previous government? if at all?
we see cuts here which hampers the efforts to alleviate the factors that are part of the problems that are sure to come. like controlled burns, fire prevention and mitagation etc.
seems to me the ft mac fire has elements of that? excessive fuel and dry or drought conditions couple with unusually warm or hot temps right now?
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
how it starts can be a multitude of ways but it's intensity and range can be tied to fire suppression policies and global warming ...
in the US many locales use their budget up early in the season as fires have gotten more intense and larger. using dollars meant for preventive measures in the fighting of actual fires. compounds the problem. more ready fuel, not enough money, and some folks building in more remote wilderness locations. which means focus has to go to those locations as a life safety measure.
I'd be good with saying those folks are on their own. you know the risk going in.
You have an excellent point .... Urban sprawl can be problematic
am curious. to what extent was forest management funding cut under your previous government? if at all?
we see cuts here which hampers the efforts to alleviate the factors that are part of the problems that are sure to come. like controlled burns, fire prevention and mitagation etc.
seems to me the ft mac fire has elements of that? excessive fuel and dry or drought conditions couple with unusually warm or hot temps right now?
Your last paragraph pretty much sums up what a lot of experts are claiming contributed to it getting out of control.
Not sure how each province budgets for forest fires ... Likely different amount per province.
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"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
how it starts can be a multitude of ways but it's intensity and range can be tied to fire suppression policies and global warming ...
in the US many locales use their budget up early in the season as fires have gotten more intense and larger. using dollars meant for preventive measures in the fighting of actual fires. compounds the problem. more ready fuel, not enough money, and some folks building in more remote wilderness locations. which means focus has to go to those locations as a life safety measure.
I'd be good with saying those folks are on their own. you know the risk going in.
You have an excellent point .... Urban sprawl can be problematic
am curious. to what extent was forest management funding cut under your previous government? if at all?
we see cuts here which hampers the efforts to alleviate the factors that are part of the problems that are sure to come. like controlled burns, fire prevention and mitagation etc.
seems to me the ft mac fire has elements of that? excessive fuel and dry or drought conditions couple with unusually warm or hot temps right now?
Your last paragraph pretty much sums up what a lot of experts are claiming contributed to it getting out of control.
Not sure how each province budgets for forest fires ... Likely different amount per province.
oh so something like that isnt a centralized thing?
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I don't know how it's done in Canada, but dosent the forestry service back burn high risk area? I know they do in the states. It obviously doesn't prevent all fires, but it does help.
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how it starts can be a multitude of ways but it's intensity and range can be tied to fire suppression policies and global warming ...
in the US many locales use their budget up early in the season as fires have gotten more intense and larger. using dollars meant for preventive measures in the fighting of actual fires. compounds the problem. more ready fuel, not enough money, and some folks building in more remote wilderness locations. which means focus has to go to those locations as a life safety measure.
I'd be good with saying those folks are on their own. you know the risk going in.
You have an excellent point .... Urban sprawl can be problematic
am curious. to what extent was forest management funding cut under your previous government? if at all?
we see cuts here which hampers the efforts to alleviate the factors that are part of the problems that are sure to come. like controlled burns, fire prevention and mitagation etc.
seems to me the ft mac fire has elements of that? excessive fuel and dry or drought conditions couple with unusually warm or hot temps right now?
Your last paragraph pretty much sums up what a lot of experts are claiming contributed to it getting out of control.
Not sure how each province budgets for forest fires ... Likely different amount per province.
oh so something like that isnt a centralized thing?
The federal government contributes on a case by case basis .... As far I know. They are matching Red Cross donations, have provided some use of military personnel and equipment.
A good chunk of Fort Mac will likely be covered by insurance ... The government and the Red Cross have been focusing on the immediate needs of 80000 people left homeless ...
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And I doubt the oil sands are going anywhere ... It's a huge part of the Alberta economy and when oil prices rise again Fort Mac will ramp up production again.
Maybe some of you US folks that are so worried about out oil sands should concentrate on the fracking going on in your country ... Just sayin'
Come on Lukin, do we really need to do this here? Sounds a little bit bating.
Not baiting at all. I never intended for this to ever get political ... Just a place to express our thoughts toward people's who have had their lives turned upside down. just pointing out that your country environmental record is nothing to write home about...
WTF does that have to do with this thread and if you're not bating, why bring it up?
This thread was supposed to be about the Fort Mac fire and up to a point everyone had expressed concern and showed empathy for those who live there. Too bad that didn't work for you, Lukin. I'm surprised. This doesn't sound like you.
Sometimes this train just sucks coal dust. I'm done here.
Good thoughts still going out for the victims of the Fort Mac fire.
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You might want to look at your statement and consider your own bad "karma" and misplaced jabs at environmentally concerned people such as myself and others here. You're the one creating the ill will that way here, not those of us who are concerned both about the environment AND the well being of our fellow humans and wild life.
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Here we go again *sigh*
I have heard from others that on Internet news stories in the comment sections below those stories, certain people of the enviro-left have made those kinds of statements,. it is karma, they deserve it for what they have done to the environment, etc.
If you make those kinds of statements in the middle of a crisis, you are an asshole. (You in a general sense, one of the 6 billion people in the world).
I have not seen any, nor do I care to. This is why I am not looking at those comment sections. The post was general and not aimed at anyone in particular and definitely not anyone here.
I do know of one wannabe politician (who lost) who posted "karma" on Twitter but then took it down. Too bad, the damage was done. Just brutal and mind boggling at the same time.
So, I meant no ill will, but you would also have to realize that like the crazy wild way to the right assholes in the world like the Tea Party Republicans, there are some waaaay too far to the left crazy environmentalists who could care less about people as well.
So far left its regressive.
I never meant for this to get political in any way. This is about those people.
Thanks for helping get us back on track here.
Good thoughts going out for our friends to the north.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I am far left and have major issues with the tar sands, and I find this fire completely unrelated to all of those issues. Only a moron would seek to make a connection.
EDMONTON - After days of dodging important questions from Rebel Media and uncles’ facebook pages alike, Alberta premier Rachel Notley came clean today and admitted that she intentionally created the fire that has caused the evacuation of the entire city of Fort McMurray.
“It is time to confess my sins,” said an emotional Notley at a press conference announcing the news. “Not only did I ignore the wildfire as it spread, not only did I divert resources from firefighters in order to house Syrian refugees and fund gay weddings, I actually travelled in secret to an area outside Fort McMurray and started a fire using gasoline and a flame thrower.”
“I even charged the cost of the gasoline to the taxpayer, proving your conservative friends right yet again,” she added.
Notley went on to acknowledge that she did what she did because she hates the oilsands, the people who work there, and the people of Alberta as a whole.
“Let me be clear. It is the NDP government’s policy to do everything it can to impoverish, endanger, and outright murder each and every person in this godforsaken province. That Wild Rose supporter you knew in highschool has been right about us all along.”
The announcement coincided with a list of future actions Notley would take unless stopped, which include closing the West Edmonton Mall and shutting down the Calgary stampede so the bulls could live on a vegan-run co-op farm where they will help schoolchildren learn to speak Arabic.
Despite their success, the province’s social media deputies were not ready to rest on their laurels, as they were already hot on the trail of Notley’s suspected accomplice: Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.
http://www.thebeaverton.com/national/item/2669-rachel-notley-admits-to-personally-starting-fort-mcmurray-wildfire
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The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
-EV 8/14/93
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-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Our national news has reported today that some people's did actually stay and ride out the fire and town by-law officers and the RCMP are not asking them to leave.
It also sounds like Fort Mac lost 1600 structures but far more than that was saved ... it could have been far worse.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
So... Still no one allowed back into town, and it could be weeks still (hopefully not).
Just saw that some kind of virus is rampaging through the evacuee centres.
Finally, the fire/evacuations have reduced the tar sands production by 1,000,000 barrels a days, which is supposedly 0.5% of the GDP. And of course thousands who aren't working/earning. I am no fan of the tar sands, but sudden impacts like that to the economy can be damaging.
But on a positive note, there are already job fairs around the province hiring workers to rebuild the city, and hundreds and hundreds of the unemployed are showing up and finding both skilled and unskilled jobs. So that's something i guess.
I won't go into the tar sands issue here but undoubtedly it will be discussed elsewhere.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
we will find a way, we will find our place
That Bakken crude is volatile stuff. Oil Sands on their own are stable but too thick to pump. much lighter oil is blended with it to improve viscosity prior to refinement. This blend is said to rival bakkan crude in explosive volatility.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
http://globalnews.ca/news/2684741/fort-mcmurray-wildfire-likely-caused-by-humans/
And I doubt the oil sands are going anywhere ... It's a huge part of the Alberta economy and when oil prices rise again Fort Mac will ramp up production again.
Maybe some of you US folks that are so worried about out oil sands should concentrate on the fracking going on in your country ... Just sayin'
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I'd be good with saying those folks are on their own. you know the risk going in.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
we see cuts here which hampers the efforts to alleviate the factors that are part of the problems that are sure to come. like controlled burns, fire prevention and mitagation etc.
seems to me the ft mac fire has elements of that? excessive fuel and dry or drought conditions couple with unusually warm or hot temps right now?
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Not sure how each province budgets for forest fires ... Likely different amount per province.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
we will find a way, we will find our place
A good chunk of Fort Mac will likely be covered by insurance ... The government and the Red Cross have been focusing on the immediate needs of 80000 people left homeless ...
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
This thread was supposed to be about the Fort Mac fire and up to a point everyone had expressed concern and showed empathy for those who live there. Too bad that didn't work for you, Lukin. I'm surprised. This doesn't sound like you.
Sometimes this train just sucks coal dust. I'm done here.
Good thoughts still going out for the victims of the Fort Mac fire.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
EV stays in tune every city.