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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,995
    edited May 2016
    brianlux said:

    lukin2006 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Brian and I have moved on ... Maybe we can all move past the tar sand comments in this thread...

    I'd rather not. It is a SIGNIFICANT factor in this disaster, and not because the tar sands are bad for the environment. So many of the victims' lives are directly tied to the tar sands, so the status of the tar sands and their operations that have been disrupted is a direct reflection of how the victims of the fire are doing moving forward.
    I hear what you are saying. I meant we've moved on about that particular debate in this thread. But it is an open thread so posters are free to debate the tar sands...if that makes sense...haha...on my phone hard to type long responses.
    Lukin, I appreciate that you and I graciously moved on here. Again, thank you.

    PJ_Soul, if I have appeared to be bating anywhere here, I apologize. That was never my intention. If we were discussing in a thread specific to tar sands, you know I would not back down and would probably get some real heat from some of you and that's fine- I get it. But my impression is that this thread is (or should be) about how devastating this fire is. I get no joy from seeing or hearing about the suffering of humans and wildlife.



    Almost totally agree Brian. Nothing to apologize for either. It's just that the fact is that the tar sands have a huge role in how devastating the fire was. Yes people lost their homes, but they are also struggling, maybe in the biggest way, because operations at the tar sands have been disrupted. Tar sands are awful awful awful, but plenty of people do still depend on them for their livelihoods. And in at lot of cases, those jobs were literally last resort. So many people go up there to work because they got desperate.
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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Tristin Hopper: Hate all you want, but a burning Fort McMurray was pretty happy it had a bunch of oil companies next door

    http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/tristin-hopper-hate-all-you-want-but-a-burning-fort-mcmurray-was-pretty-happy-it-had-a-bunch-of-oil-companies-next-door

    Not crazy about the article headline ... Just nice to see these corporations step up
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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Edmonton strip club offering free lap dances to Fort McMurray evacuees

    http://globalnews.ca/news/2696834/edmonton-strip-club-offering-free-lap-dances-to-fort-mcmurray-evacuees/

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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Justin Trudeau to tour Fort McMurray, meet with Rachel Notley

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/trudeau-notley-fort-mcmurray-tour-1.3580770
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  • 1ThoughtKnown1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    edited May 2016
    I knew it wouldn't be long until people went off on how "awful awful awful" the "tar sands" are.

    And the "huge role" in how devastating the fire was. Now the blame is heading towards the oil industry for every natural disaster we have.

    *rolling my eyes*.. I don't belong here. While we all share the love of music but your view of the world is naive.
    You have no idea how important oil is i(and will continue to be) in your daily lives. You want all of the modern conveniences that come with technology as long as it does not affect you personally.

    Never bother to look at the advances made in industry over the last twenty years especially in ensuring environmental impact is reduced and often eliminated.

    To all of you who provided donations to the Red Cross and other charities to help the victims of Fort Mac thank you. But as the city rebuilds, and the plants resume their million plus barrel a day output, your sympathy will be replaced by the pre-existing venomous attitude towards anyone in the oil industry as the "destroyers of the environment" and "climate changers" and all the other nonsense.

    The same hard working people who lost their homes are the same people you would lose it on if they didn't 100% agree with your stance that oil,and specifically the oil sands, is horrible for the world. You know you wouldn't really like them, because they are mostly like me. Trying to defend the industry that brought them a good standard of living. That donated millions to the hospital, the recreation centres, the kids sports leagues. The flights to get workers out of the camps, the Red Cross for the victims and on and on and on.

    The science and innovation to simply extract the oil from the sand! All the work done to completely eliminate the need for water in the future. I mean, it was all done for the ENVIRONMENT.

    But instead of being moderate and compassionate and sensical by giving the industry some credit, they are "awful awful awful" and you really have no idea what you are talking about because you will only read or see what aligns with your belief system.

    My hope is that this gives you some food for thought as you look around at all your modern conveniences today. Most city folk have no idea how all that shit ended up at IKEA just that its there. And when that crap breaks in six months you take it to the dump and bury it. :lol:

    Oh the hypocrisy...
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    meh ... if your rant had some objectivity to it I might have been tolerable ...

    still ... it's an empathy thread so ... will leave it at that ... haha
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    I knew it wouldn't be long until people went off on how "awful awful awful" the "tar sands" are.

    And the "huge role" in how devastating the fire was. Now the blame is heading towards the oil industry for every natural disaster we have.

    *rolling my eyes*.. I don't belong here. While we all share the love of music but your view of the world is naive.
    You have no idea how important oil is i(and will continue to be) in your daily lives. You want all of the modern conveniences that come with technology as long as it does not affect you personally.

    Never bother to look at the advances made in industry over the last twenty years especially in ensuring environmental impact is reduced and often eliminated.

    To all of you who provided donations to the Red Cross and other charities to help the victims of Fort Mac thank you. But as the city rebuilds, and the plants resume their million plus barrel a day output, your sympathy will be replaced by the pre-existing venomous attitude towards anyone in the oil industry as the "destroyers of the environment" and "climate changers" and all the other nonsense.

    The same hard working people who lost their homes are the same people you would lose it on if they didn't 100% agree with your stance that oil,and specifically the oil sands, is horrible for the world. You know you wouldn't really like them, because they are mostly like me. Trying to defend the industry that brought them a good standard of living. That donated millions to the hospital, the recreation centres, the kids sports leagues. The flights to get workers out of the camps, the Red Cross for the victims and on and on and on.

    The science and innovation to simply extract the oil from the sand! All the work done to completely eliminate the need for water in the future. I mean, it was all done for the ENVIRONMENT.

    But instead of being moderate and compassionate and sensical by giving the industry some credit, they are "awful awful awful" and you really have no idea what you are talking about because you will only read or see what aligns with your belief system.

    My hope is that this gives you some food for thought as you look around at all your modern conveniences today. Most city folk have no idea how all that shit ended up at IKEA just that its there. And when that crap breaks in six months you take it to the dump and bury it. :lol:

    Oh the hypocrisy...

    I am totally with you. The sentiments on this thread are pathetic and I even had a hard time stomaching Eddie's empathetic speeches during the Canadian shows. Essentially everyone on here "feels for the people of Fort McMurray" but at the same time they are blaming these people for bringing this disaster upon themselves. Fort McMurray is an oil industry town and prior to these fires Eddie and the Climatistas on these boards lined-up with Neil Young in agreement that Fort McMurray was "hiroshima" and a "scab on our lives". Eddie at Toronto 1 said there is no doubt that the fires were caused by climate change and if you accept that scientifically nonsensical statement you are basically pointing the finger of responsibility right back at the people of Fort McMurray. These are good people that make their livelihood in an industry that actually benefits us all and if I were them I wouldn't appreciate the elitist finger wagging attached to every charitable dollar.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,581
    hmm. my sense is everyone understands its in part enviromental with the long standing dry conditions and the unuasual heat the area is experiencing. couple that with forrest management that maybe could have been more diligent in its duties. Suspect thats due to budgetary reasons not a lack of competance.
    its probable that fire would have occured without the placement of that town or the industry its supporting.

    for myself I'm glad critical infrastructure was saved , that everyone is physically ok.

    my thoughts as usual are on and continue to be on the responders. Wild fires are a dangerous beast. I hope for their continued safety.
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  • Can someone point to me the post that linked the fire and devastation to tar sand activity?

    I have read nothing on here that reeks of insensitivity. Let me rephrase... there is a level of insensitivity, but it's on the misguided part of some trying to create conflict.

    Everyone here knows oil is vital to society. Everyone here feels shitty for the Fort Mac people. Everyone here knows those people- like all working people- play their part in a productive society. Most everyone here encourages the best practices possible for the least invasive or destructive measures to extract oil.

    Nobody here is saying Fort Mac got what it deserved and this is what has kind of been inferred. It's nonsense.
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    Can someone point to me the post that linked the fire and devastation to tar sand activity?

    I have read nothing on here that reeks of insensitivity. Let me rephrase... there is a level of insensitivity, but it's on the misguided part of some trying to create conflict.

    Everyone here knows oil is vital to society. Everyone here feels shitty for the Fort Mac people. Everyone here knows those people- like all working people- play their part in a productive society. Most everyone here encourages the best practices possible for the least invasive or destructive measures to extract oil.

    Nobody here is saying Fort Mac got what it deserved and this is what has kind of been inferred. It's nonsense.

    Eddie at Toronto 1 said that climate change was responsible. He said to deny this was to disagree with "the scientists". Like Neil he is one that believes that oil should be left in the ground for the sake of the planet and prior to this fire would have not have cared one lick for the people of Fort McMurray had their industry been legislated into oblivian. Obama and now Hillary are looking to legislate coal into oblivian and you don't see anyone caring for the people of West Virginia. I'm sorry but there is an absolute disdain for the energy industry on these boards and a complete disregard for the welfare of their employees and there is a straight line from the belief that the tar stands cause climate change and climate change caused the fire.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,581
    BS44325 said:

    Can someone point to me the post that linked the fire and devastation to tar sand activity?

    I have read nothing on here that reeks of insensitivity. Let me rephrase... there is a level of insensitivity, but it's on the misguided part of some trying to create conflict.

    Everyone here knows oil is vital to society. Everyone here feels shitty for the Fort Mac people. Everyone here knows those people- like all working people- play their part in a productive society. Most everyone here encourages the best practices possible for the least invasive or destructive measures to extract oil.

    Nobody here is saying Fort Mac got what it deserved and this is what has kind of been inferred. It's nonsense.

    Eddie at Toronto 1 said that climate change was responsible. He said to deny this was to disagree with "the scientists". Like Neil he is one that believes that oil should be left in the ground for the sake of the planet and prior to this fire would have not have cared one lick for the people of Fort McMurray had their industry been legislated into oblivian. Obama and now Hillary are looking to legislate coal into oblivian and you don't see anyone caring for the people of West Virginia. I'm sorry but there is an absolute disdain for the energy industry on these boards and a complete disregard for the welfare of their employees and there is a straight line from the belief that the tar stands cause climate change and climate change caused the fire.
    so which poster in this thread is eddie?
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  • AnnafalkAnnafalk Sweden Posts: 4,004

    Can someone point to me the post that linked the fire and devastation to tar sand activity?

    I have read nothing on here that reeks of insensitivity. Let me rephrase... there is a level of insensitivity, but it's on the misguided part of some trying to create conflict.

    Everyone here knows oil is vital to society. Everyone here feels shitty for the Fort Mac people. Everyone here knows those people- like all working people- play their part in a productive society. Most everyone here encourages the best practices possible for the least invasive or destructive measures to extract oil.

    Nobody here is saying Fort Mac got what it deserved and this is what has kind of been inferred. It's nonsense.

    Yes, some are definitely trying to create conflict I don't know why but it's sad.
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,343
    Annafalk said:

    Can someone point to me the post that linked the fire and devastation to tar sand activity?

    I have read nothing on here that reeks of insensitivity. Let me rephrase... there is a level of insensitivity, but it's on the misguided part of some trying to create conflict.

    Everyone here knows oil is vital to society. Everyone here feels shitty for the Fort Mac people. Everyone here knows those people- like all working people- play their part in a productive society. Most everyone here encourages the best practices possible for the least invasive or destructive measures to extract oil.

    Nobody here is saying Fort Mac got what it deserved and this is what has kind of been inferred. It's nonsense.

    Yes, some are definitely trying to create conflict I don't know why but it's sad.
    It is said Anna.


    After getting back on track, this thread has become another bating clusterfuck by a few people who are reacting from the hip instead of actually READING THE POSTS.

    Come on guys, everyone here was sympathetic with the victims of the fire including died in the wool environmental activist/conservationists like myself and then a few of you (not Lukin- we're good) come in here and act like dicks and try to make this into a political issue where it wasn't. What a fucking crock of shit.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,581
    mickeyrat said:

    BS44325 said:

    Can someone point to me the post that linked the fire and devastation to tar sand activity?

    I have read nothing on here that reeks of insensitivity. Let me rephrase... there is a level of insensitivity, but it's on the misguided part of some trying to create conflict.

    Everyone here knows oil is vital to society. Everyone here feels shitty for the Fort Mac people. Everyone here knows those people- like all working people- play their part in a productive society. Most everyone here encourages the best practices possible for the least invasive or destructive measures to extract oil.

    Nobody here is saying Fort Mac got what it deserved and this is what has kind of been inferred. It's nonsense.

    Eddie at Toronto 1 said that climate change was responsible. He said to deny this was to disagree with "the scientists". Like Neil he is one that believes that oil should be left in the ground for the sake of the planet and prior to this fire would have not have cared one lick for the people of Fort McMurray had their industry been legislated into oblivian. Obama and now Hillary are looking to legislate coal into oblivian and you don't see anyone caring for the people of West Virginia. I'm sorry but there is an absolute disdain for the energy industry on these boards and a complete disregard for the welfare of their employees and there is a straight line from the belief that the tar stands cause climate change and climate change caused the fire.
    so which poster in this thread is eddie?
    still waiting to have eddies post pointed out to me.
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    edited May 2016
    mickeyrat said:

    mickeyrat said:

    BS44325 said:

    Can someone point to me the post that linked the fire and devastation to tar sand activity?

    I have read nothing on here that reeks of insensitivity. Let me rephrase... there is a level of insensitivity, but it's on the misguided part of some trying to create conflict.

    Everyone here knows oil is vital to society. Everyone here feels shitty for the Fort Mac people. Everyone here knows those people- like all working people- play their part in a productive society. Most everyone here encourages the best practices possible for the least invasive or destructive measures to extract oil.

    Nobody here is saying Fort Mac got what it deserved and this is what has kind of been inferred. It's nonsense.

    Eddie at Toronto 1 said that climate change was responsible. He said to deny this was to disagree with "the scientists". Like Neil he is one that believes that oil should be left in the ground for the sake of the planet and prior to this fire would have not have cared one lick for the people of Fort McMurray had their industry been legislated into oblivian. Obama and now Hillary are looking to legislate coal into oblivian and you don't see anyone caring for the people of West Virginia. I'm sorry but there is an absolute disdain for the energy industry on these boards and a complete disregard for the welfare of their employees and there is a straight line from the belief that the tar stands cause climate change and climate change caused the fire.
    so which poster in this thread is eddie?
    still waiting to have eddies post pointed out to me.
    Head over to the climate change thread. The people who bash the oil industry over there trot over here to pay their respects to the people of Fort McMurray. Again... A month ago all of you would have applauded if Fort McMurray was legislated into oblivion and wouldn't have given one lick for it's people and there welfare. You can't separate the two threads no matter how much you try. You included Mr. "They had to ship in snow to Alaska for the iditorod!". It is the oil industry that employs that town. It is the oil industry that rallied to help that town. It will be the oil industry that rebuilds that town. If you all really want to help Fort McMurray you would save your elitist charitable thoughts and dollars and instead rally your President to approve that pipeline!
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,337
    BS44325 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    mickeyrat said:

    BS44325 said:

    Can someone point to me the post that linked the fire and devastation to tar sand activity?

    I have read nothing on here that reeks of insensitivity. Let me rephrase... there is a level of insensitivity, but it's on the misguided part of some trying to create conflict.

    Everyone here knows oil is vital to society. Everyone here feels shitty for the Fort Mac people. Everyone here knows those people- like all working people- play their part in a productive society. Most everyone here encourages the best practices possible for the least invasive or destructive measures to extract oil.

    Nobody here is saying Fort Mac got what it deserved and this is what has kind of been inferred. It's nonsense.

    Eddie at Toronto 1 said that climate change was responsible. He said to deny this was to disagree with "the scientists". Like Neil he is one that believes that oil should be left in the ground for the sake of the planet and prior to this fire would have not have cared one lick for the people of Fort McMurray had their industry been legislated into oblivian. Obama and now Hillary are looking to legislate coal into oblivian and you don't see anyone caring for the people of West Virginia. I'm sorry but there is an absolute disdain for the energy industry on these boards and a complete disregard for the welfare of their employees and there is a straight line from the belief that the tar stands cause climate change and climate change caused the fire.
    so which poster in this thread is eddie?
    still waiting to have eddies post pointed out to me.
    Head over to the climate change thread. The people who bash the oil industry over there trot over here to pay their respects to the people of Fort McMurray. Again... A month ago all of you would have applauded if Fort McMurray was legislated into oblivion and wouldn't have given one lick for it's people and there welfare. You can't separate the two threads no matter how much you try. You included Mr. "They had to ship in snow to Alaska for the iditorod!". It is the oil industry that employs that town. It is the oil industry that rallied to help that town. It will be the oil industry that rebuilds that town. If you all really want to help Fort McMurray you would save your elitist charitable thoughts and dollars and instead rally your President to approve that pipeline!
    Bullshit. It was Alberta and all of Canada including the oil industry that has rallied to help the people of Fort Mac. Everyone has.

    I'm born and bred Albertan. Worked in the oil industry for years. Have friends that have lived and worked in Fort Mac for years, including my brother who has worked there for over 20 years. Spare me the bullshit, I know whats happening there.......you are talking about something you know shit about.

    You obviously have an axe to grind.....take it somewhere else.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,581
    BS44325 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    mickeyrat said:

    BS44325 said:

    Can someone point to me the post that linked the fire and devastation to tar sand activity?

    I have read nothing on here that reeks of insensitivity. Let me rephrase... there is a level of insensitivity, but it's on the misguided part of some trying to create conflict.

    Everyone here knows oil is vital to society. Everyone here feels shitty for the Fort Mac people. Everyone here knows those people- like all working people- play their part in a productive society. Most everyone here encourages the best practices possible for the least invasive or destructive measures to extract oil.

    Nobody here is saying Fort Mac got what it deserved and this is what has kind of been inferred. It's nonsense.

    Eddie at Toronto 1 said that climate change was responsible. He said to deny this was to disagree with "the scientists". Like Neil he is one that believes that oil should be left in the ground for the sake of the planet and prior to this fire would have not have cared one lick for the people of Fort McMurray had their industry been legislated into oblivian. Obama and now Hillary are looking to legislate coal into oblivian and you don't see anyone caring for the people of West Virginia. I'm sorry but there is an absolute disdain for the energy industry on these boards and a complete disregard for the welfare of their employees and there is a straight line from the belief that the tar stands cause climate change and climate change caused the fire.
    so which poster in this thread is eddie?
    still waiting to have eddies post pointed out to me.
    Head over to the climate change thread. The people who bash the oil industry over there trot over here to pay their respects to the people of Fort McMurray. Again... A month ago all of you would have applauded if Fort McMurray was legislated into oblivion and wouldn't have given one lick for it's people and there welfare. You can't separate the two threads no matter how much you try. You included Mr. "They had to ship in snow to Alaska for the iditorod!". It is the oil industry that employs that town. It is the oil industry that rallied to help that town. It will be the oil industry that rebuilds that town. If you all really want to help Fort McMurray you would save your elitist charitable thoughts and dollars and instead rally your President to approve that pipeline!
    tell ya what
    my brother is a career firefighter. so it gets a little personal in anything related to these first responders.

    take your bullshit up with pjsoul. shes been the only one . a handful of you came in here with a chip.

    theres a time and place for everything. i think its time for you to go fuck yourself.
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    dignin said:

    BS44325 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    mickeyrat said:

    BS44325 said:

    Can someone point to me the post that linked the fire and devastation to tar sand activity?

    I have read nothing on here that reeks of insensitivity. Let me rephrase... there is a level of insensitivity, but it's on the misguided part of some trying to create conflict.

    Everyone here knows oil is vital to society. Everyone here feels shitty for the Fort Mac people. Everyone here knows those people- like all working people- play their part in a productive society. Most everyone here encourages the best practices possible for the least invasive or destructive measures to extract oil.

    Nobody here is saying Fort Mac got what it deserved and this is what has kind of been inferred. It's nonsense.

    Eddie at Toronto 1 said that climate change was responsible. He said to deny this was to disagree with "the scientists". Like Neil he is one that believes that oil should be left in the ground for the sake of the planet and prior to this fire would have not have cared one lick for the people of Fort McMurray had their industry been legislated into oblivian. Obama and now Hillary are looking to legislate coal into oblivian and you don't see anyone caring for the people of West Virginia. I'm sorry but there is an absolute disdain for the energy industry on these boards and a complete disregard for the welfare of their employees and there is a straight line from the belief that the tar stands cause climate change and climate change caused the fire.
    so which poster in this thread is eddie?
    still waiting to have eddies post pointed out to me.
    Head over to the climate change thread. The people who bash the oil industry over there trot over here to pay their respects to the people of Fort McMurray. Again... A month ago all of you would have applauded if Fort McMurray was legislated into oblivion and wouldn't have given one lick for it's people and there welfare. You can't separate the two threads no matter how much you try. You included Mr. "They had to ship in snow to Alaska for the iditorod!". It is the oil industry that employs that town. It is the oil industry that rallied to help that town. It will be the oil industry that rebuilds that town. If you all really want to help Fort McMurray you would save your elitist charitable thoughts and dollars and instead rally your President to approve that pipeline!
    Bullshit. It was Alberta and all of Canada including the oil industry that has rallied to help the people of Fort Mac. Everyone has.

    I'm born and bred Albertan. Worked in the oil industry for years. Have friends that have lived and worked in Fort Mac for years, including my brother who has worked there for over 20 years. Spare me the bullshit, I know whats happening there.......you are talking about something you know shit about.

    You obviously have an axe to grind.....take it somewhere else.
    I shall grind my axe here
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    mickeyrat said:

    BS44325 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    mickeyrat said:

    BS44325 said:

    Can someone point to me the post that linked the fire and devastation to tar sand activity?

    I have read nothing on here that reeks of insensitivity. Let me rephrase... there is a level of insensitivity, but it's on the misguided part of some trying to create conflict.

    Everyone here knows oil is vital to society. Everyone here feels shitty for the Fort Mac people. Everyone here knows those people- like all working people- play their part in a productive society. Most everyone here encourages the best practices possible for the least invasive or destructive measures to extract oil.

    Nobody here is saying Fort Mac got what it deserved and this is what has kind of been inferred. It's nonsense.

    Eddie at Toronto 1 said that climate change was responsible. He said to deny this was to disagree with "the scientists". Like Neil he is one that believes that oil should be left in the ground for the sake of the planet and prior to this fire would have not have cared one lick for the people of Fort McMurray had their industry been legislated into oblivian. Obama and now Hillary are looking to legislate coal into oblivian and you don't see anyone caring for the people of West Virginia. I'm sorry but there is an absolute disdain for the energy industry on these boards and a complete disregard for the welfare of their employees and there is a straight line from the belief that the tar stands cause climate change and climate change caused the fire.
    so which poster in this thread is eddie?
    still waiting to have eddies post pointed out to me.
    Head over to the climate change thread. The people who bash the oil industry over there trot over here to pay their respects to the people of Fort McMurray. Again... A month ago all of you would have applauded if Fort McMurray was legislated into oblivion and wouldn't have given one lick for it's people and there welfare. You can't separate the two threads no matter how much you try. You included Mr. "They had to ship in snow to Alaska for the iditorod!". It is the oil industry that employs that town. It is the oil industry that rallied to help that town. It will be the oil industry that rebuilds that town. If you all really want to help Fort McMurray you would save your elitist charitable thoughts and dollars and instead rally your President to approve that pipeline!
    tell ya what
    my brother is a career firefighter. so it gets a little personal in anything related to these first responders.

    take your bullshit up with pjsoul. shes been the only one . a handful of you came in here with a chip.

    theres a time and place for everything. i think its time for you to go fuck yourself.
    It is not quite yet that time as nobody on here has slagged a first responder.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,581
    BS44325 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    BS44325 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    mickeyrat said:

    BS44325 said:

    Can someone point to me the post that linked the fire and devastation to tar sand activity?

    I have read nothing on here that reeks of insensitivity. Let me rephrase... there is a level of insensitivity, but it's on the misguided part of some trying to create conflict.

    Everyone here knows oil is vital to society. Everyone here feels shitty for the Fort Mac people. Everyone here knows those people- like all working people- play their part in a productive society. Most everyone here encourages the best practices possible for the least invasive or destructive measures to extract oil.

    Nobody here is saying Fort Mac got what it deserved and this is what has kind of been inferred. It's nonsense.

    Eddie at Toronto 1 said that climate change was responsible. He said to deny this was to disagree with "the scientists". Like Neil he is one that believes that oil should be left in the ground for the sake of the planet and prior to this fire would have not have cared one lick for the people of Fort McMurray had their industry been legislated into oblivian. Obama and now Hillary are looking to legislate coal into oblivian and you don't see anyone caring for the people of West Virginia. I'm sorry but there is an absolute disdain for the energy industry on these boards and a complete disregard for the welfare of their employees and there is a straight line from the belief that the tar stands cause climate change and climate change caused the fire.
    so which poster in this thread is eddie?
    still waiting to have eddies post pointed out to me.
    Head over to the climate change thread. The people who bash the oil industry over there trot over here to pay their respects to the people of Fort McMurray. Again... A month ago all of you would have applauded if Fort McMurray was legislated into oblivion and wouldn't have given one lick for it's people and there welfare. You can't separate the two threads no matter how much you try. You included Mr. "They had to ship in snow to Alaska for the iditorod!". It is the oil industry that employs that town. It is the oil industry that rallied to help that town. It will be the oil industry that rebuilds that town. If you all really want to help Fort McMurray you would save your elitist charitable thoughts and dollars and instead rally your President to approve that pipeline!
    tell ya what
    my brother is a career firefighter. so it gets a little personal in anything related to these first responders.

    take your bullshit up with pjsoul. shes been the only one . a handful of you came in here with a chip.

    theres a time and place for everything. i think its time for you to go fuck yourself.
    It is not quite yet that time as nobody on here has slagged a first responder.
    been a series of "elitest charitable thoughts" from me here for them and you chose to "comment" and quote my posts and responses to yours.

    I'll suggest you seek a a fellow canadians post that your real disagreement is with.

    or just go fuck yourself. your choice
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    mickeyrat said:

    BS44325 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    BS44325 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    mickeyrat said:

    BS44325 said:

    Can someone point to me the post that linked the fire and devastation to tar sand activity?

    I have read nothing on here that reeks of insensitivity. Let me rephrase... there is a level of insensitivity, but it's on the misguided part of some trying to create conflict.

    Everyone here knows oil is vital to society. Everyone here feels shitty for the Fort Mac people. Everyone here knows those people- like all working people- play their part in a productive society. Most everyone here encourages the best practices possible for the least invasive or destructive measures to extract oil.

    Nobody here is saying Fort Mac got what it deserved and this is what has kind of been inferred. It's nonsense.

    Eddie at Toronto 1 said that climate change was responsible. He said to deny this was to disagree with "the scientists". Like Neil he is one that believes that oil should be left in the ground for the sake of the planet and prior to this fire would have not have cared one lick for the people of Fort McMurray had their industry been legislated into oblivian. Obama and now Hillary are looking to legislate coal into oblivian and you don't see anyone caring for the people of West Virginia. I'm sorry but there is an absolute disdain for the energy industry on these boards and a complete disregard for the welfare of their employees and there is a straight line from the belief that the tar stands cause climate change and climate change caused the fire.
    so which poster in this thread is eddie?
    still waiting to have eddies post pointed out to me.
    Head over to the climate change thread. The people who bash the oil industry over there trot over here to pay their respects to the people of Fort McMurray. Again... A month ago all of you would have applauded if Fort McMurray was legislated into oblivion and wouldn't have given one lick for it's people and there welfare. You can't separate the two threads no matter how much you try. You included Mr. "They had to ship in snow to Alaska for the iditorod!". It is the oil industry that employs that town. It is the oil industry that rallied to help that town. It will be the oil industry that rebuilds that town. If you all really want to help Fort McMurray you would save your elitist charitable thoughts and dollars and instead rally your President to approve that pipeline!
    tell ya what
    my brother is a career firefighter. so it gets a little personal in anything related to these first responders.

    take your bullshit up with pjsoul. shes been the only one . a handful of you came in here with a chip.

    theres a time and place for everything. i think its time for you to go fuck yourself.
    It is not quite yet that time as nobody on here has slagged a first responder.
    been a series of "elitest charitable thoughts" from me here for them and you chose to "comment" and quote my posts and responses to yours.

    I'll suggest you seek a a fellow canadians post that your real disagreement is with.

    or just go fuck yourself. your choice
    I don't think those are my only two choices.
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    After Fort McMurray fire, Alberta copes with ‘second disaster’ of misguided donations

    http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/after-fort-mcmurray-fire-alberta-copes-with-second-disaster-of-misguided-donations
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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Fort McMurray wildfire damage can be seen on new government app

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/fort-mcmurray-damage-satellite-1.3583052
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,343
    BS44325 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    mickeyrat said:

    BS44325 said:

    Can someone point to me the post that linked the fire and devastation to tar sand activity?

    I have read nothing on here that reeks of insensitivity. Let me rephrase... there is a level of insensitivity, but it's on the misguided part of some trying to create conflict.

    Everyone here knows oil is vital to society. Everyone here feels shitty for the Fort Mac people. Everyone here knows those people- like all working people- play their part in a productive society. Most everyone here encourages the best practices possible for the least invasive or destructive measures to extract oil.

    Nobody here is saying Fort Mac got what it deserved and this is what has kind of been inferred. It's nonsense.

    Eddie at Toronto 1 said that climate change was responsible. He said to deny this was to disagree with "the scientists". Like Neil he is one that believes that oil should be left in the ground for the sake of the planet and prior to this fire would have not have cared one lick for the people of Fort McMurray had their industry been legislated into oblivian. Obama and now Hillary are looking to legislate coal into oblivian and you don't see anyone caring for the people of West Virginia. I'm sorry but there is an absolute disdain for the energy industry on these boards and a complete disregard for the welfare of their employees and there is a straight line from the belief that the tar stands cause climate change and climate change caused the fire.
    so which poster in this thread is eddie?
    still waiting to have eddies post pointed out to me.
    Head over to the climate change thread. The people who bash the oil industry over there trot over here to pay their respects to the people of Fort McMurray. Again... A month ago all of you would have applauded if Fort McMurray was legislated into oblivion and wouldn't have given one lick for it's people and there welfare. You can't separate the two threads no matter how much you try. You included Mr. "They had to ship in snow to Alaska for the iditorod!". It is the oil industry that employs that town. It is the oil industry that rallied to help that town. It will be the oil industry that rebuilds that town. If you all really want to help Fort McMurray you would save your elitist charitable thoughts and dollars and instead rally your President to approve that pipeline!
    BS44325 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    mickeyrat said:

    BS44325 said:

    Can someone point to me the post that linked the fire and devastation to tar sand activity?

    I have read nothing on here that reeks of insensitivity. Let me rephrase... there is a level of insensitivity, but it's on the misguided part of some trying to create conflict.

    Everyone here knows oil is vital to society. Everyone here feels shitty for the Fort Mac people. Everyone here knows those people- like all working people- play their part in a productive society. Most everyone here encourages the best practices possible for the least invasive or destructive measures to extract oil.

    Nobody here is saying Fort Mac got what it deserved and this is what has kind of been inferred. It's nonsense.

    Eddie at Toronto 1 said that climate change was responsible. He said to deny this was to disagree with "the scientists". Like Neil he is one that believes that oil should be left in the ground for the sake of the planet and prior to this fire would have not have cared one lick for the people of Fort McMurray had their industry been legislated into oblivian. Obama and now Hillary are looking to legislate coal into oblivian and you don't see anyone caring for the people of West Virginia. I'm sorry but there is an absolute disdain for the energy industry on these boards and a complete disregard for the welfare of their employees and there is a straight line from the belief that the tar stands cause climate change and climate change caused the fire.
    so which poster in this thread is eddie?
    still waiting to have eddies post pointed out to me.
    Head over to the climate change thread. The people who bash the oil industry over there trot over here to pay their respects to the people of Fort McMurray. Again... A month ago all of you would have applauded if Fort McMurray was legislated into oblivion and wouldn't have given one lick for it's people and there welfare. You can't separate the two threads no matter how much you try. You included Mr. "They had to ship in snow to Alaska for the iditorod!". It is the oil industry that employs that town. It is the oil industry that rallied to help that town. It will be the oil industry that rebuilds that town. If you all really want to help Fort McMurray you would save your elitist charitable thoughts and dollars and instead rally your President to approve that pipeline!
    You're really living up to you user name (minus the numbers). Why cannot a person be critical of an industry and at the same time be supportive of human beings? Maybe check out the thread titled- "The difference between being against an industry and being against the workers within an industry"- to get a further idea of what I'm talking about.

    By trying to instigate and bate here, BS, you're blowing your credibility. You don't want a discussion, you just want to provoke. It's hard to take someone very seriously who just likes to piss people off.
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    brianlux said:

    BS44325 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    mickeyrat said:

    BS44325 said:

    Can someone point to me the post that linked the fire and devastation to tar sand activity?

    I have read nothing on here that reeks of insensitivity. Let me rephrase... there is a level of insensitivity, but it's on the misguided part of some trying to create conflict.

    Everyone here knows oil is vital to society. Everyone here feels shitty for the Fort Mac people. Everyone here knows those people- like all working people- play their part in a productive society. Most everyone here encourages the best practices possible for the least invasive or destructive measures to extract oil.

    Nobody here is saying Fort Mac got what it deserved and this is what has kind of been inferred. It's nonsense.

    Eddie at Toronto 1 said that climate change was responsible. He said to deny this was to disagree with "the scientists". Like Neil he is one that believes that oil should be left in the ground for the sake of the planet and prior to this fire would have not have cared one lick for the people of Fort McMurray had their industry been legislated into oblivian. Obama and now Hillary are looking to legislate coal into oblivian and you don't see anyone caring for the people of West Virginia. I'm sorry but there is an absolute disdain for the energy industry on these boards and a complete disregard for the welfare of their employees and there is a straight line from the belief that the tar stands cause climate change and climate change caused the fire.
    so which poster in this thread is eddie?
    still waiting to have eddies post pointed out to me.
    Head over to the climate change thread. The people who bash the oil industry over there trot over here to pay their respects to the people of Fort McMurray. Again... A month ago all of you would have applauded if Fort McMurray was legislated into oblivion and wouldn't have given one lick for it's people and there welfare. You can't separate the two threads no matter how much you try. You included Mr. "They had to ship in snow to Alaska for the iditorod!". It is the oil industry that employs that town. It is the oil industry that rallied to help that town. It will be the oil industry that rebuilds that town. If you all really want to help Fort McMurray you would save your elitist charitable thoughts and dollars and instead rally your President to approve that pipeline!
    BS44325 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    mickeyrat said:

    BS44325 said:

    Can someone point to me the post that linked the fire and devastation to tar sand activity?

    I have read nothing on here that reeks of insensitivity. Let me rephrase... there is a level of insensitivity, but it's on the misguided part of some trying to create conflict.

    Everyone here knows oil is vital to society. Everyone here feels shitty for the Fort Mac people. Everyone here knows those people- like all working people- play their part in a productive society. Most everyone here encourages the best practices possible for the least invasive or destructive measures to extract oil.

    Nobody here is saying Fort Mac got what it deserved and this is what has kind of been inferred. It's nonsense.

    Eddie at Toronto 1 said that climate change was responsible. He said to deny this was to disagree with "the scientists". Like Neil he is one that believes that oil should be left in the ground for the sake of the planet and prior to this fire would have not have cared one lick for the people of Fort McMurray had their industry been legislated into oblivian. Obama and now Hillary are looking to legislate coal into oblivian and you don't see anyone caring for the people of West Virginia. I'm sorry but there is an absolute disdain for the energy industry on these boards and a complete disregard for the welfare of their employees and there is a straight line from the belief that the tar stands cause climate change and climate change caused the fire.
    so which poster in this thread is eddie?
    still waiting to have eddies post pointed out to me.
    Head over to the climate change thread. The people who bash the oil industry over there trot over here to pay their respects to the people of Fort McMurray. Again... A month ago all of you would have applauded if Fort McMurray was legislated into oblivion and wouldn't have given one lick for it's people and there welfare. You can't separate the two threads no matter how much you try. You included Mr. "They had to ship in snow to Alaska for the iditorod!". It is the oil industry that employs that town. It is the oil industry that rallied to help that town. It will be the oil industry that rebuilds that town. If you all really want to help Fort McMurray you would save your elitist charitable thoughts and dollars and instead rally your President to approve that pipeline!
    You're really living up to you user name (minus the numbers). Why cannot a person be critical of an industry and at the same time be supportive of human beings? Maybe check out the thread titled- "The difference between being against an industry and being against the workers within an industry"- to get a further idea of what I'm talking about.

    By trying to instigate and bate here, BS, you're blowing your credibility. You don't want a discussion, you just want to provoke. It's hard to take someone very seriously who just likes to piss people off.
    Haaaa...the old username bit gets tossed around and yet I am the one who is losing credibility. You Brian are trying to have it both ways and if me pointing that out is instigating then so be it. The people of Fort McMurray need their industry to thrive right now and that is something you are dead set against. You want to send them love Brian? Call your elected representative and push for some pipelines.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,581
    BS44325 said:

    brianlux said:

    BS44325 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    mickeyrat said:

    BS44325 said:

    Can someone point to me the post that linked the fire and devastation to tar sand activity?

    I have read nothing on here that reeks of insensitivity. Let me rephrase... there is a level of insensitivity, but it's on the misguided part of some trying to create conflict.

    Everyone here knows oil is vital to society. Everyone here feels shitty for the Fort Mac people. Everyone here knows those people- like all working people- play their part in a productive society. Most everyone here encourages the best practices possible for the least invasive or destructive measures to extract oil.

    Nobody here is saying Fort Mac got what it deserved and this is what has kind of been inferred. It's nonsense.

    Eddie at Toronto 1 said that climate change was responsible. He said to deny this was to disagree with "the scientists". Like Neil he is one that believes that oil should be left in the ground for the sake of the planet and prior to this fire would have not have cared one lick for the people of Fort McMurray had their industry been legislated into oblivian. Obama and now Hillary are looking to legislate coal into oblivian and you don't see anyone caring for the people of West Virginia. I'm sorry but there is an absolute disdain for the energy industry on these boards and a complete disregard for the welfare of their employees and there is a straight line from the belief that the tar stands cause climate change and climate change caused the fire.
    so which poster in this thread is eddie?
    still waiting to have eddies post pointed out to me.
    Head over to the climate change thread. The people who bash the oil industry over there trot over here to pay their respects to the people of Fort McMurray. Again... A month ago all of you would have applauded if Fort McMurray was legislated into oblivion and wouldn't have given one lick for it's people and there welfare. You can't separate the two threads no matter how much you try. You included Mr. "They had to ship in snow to Alaska for the iditorod!". It is the oil industry that employs that town. It is the oil industry that rallied to help that town. It will be the oil industry that rebuilds that town. If you all really want to help Fort McMurray you would save your elitist charitable thoughts and dollars and instead rally your President to approve that pipeline!
    BS44325 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    mickeyrat said:

    BS44325 said:

    Can someone point to me the post that linked the fire and devastation to tar sand activity?

    I have read nothing on here that reeks of insensitivity. Let me rephrase... there is a level of insensitivity, but it's on the misguided part of some trying to create conflict.

    Everyone here knows oil is vital to society. Everyone here feels shitty for the Fort Mac people. Everyone here knows those people- like all working people- play their part in a productive society. Most everyone here encourages the best practices possible for the least invasive or destructive measures to extract oil.

    Nobody here is saying Fort Mac got what it deserved and this is what has kind of been inferred. It's nonsense.

    Eddie at Toronto 1 said that climate change was responsible. He said to deny this was to disagree with "the scientists". Like Neil he is one that believes that oil should be left in the ground for the sake of the planet and prior to this fire would have not have cared one lick for the people of Fort McMurray had their industry been legislated into oblivian. Obama and now Hillary are looking to legislate coal into oblivian and you don't see anyone caring for the people of West Virginia. I'm sorry but there is an absolute disdain for the energy industry on these boards and a complete disregard for the welfare of their employees and there is a straight line from the belief that the tar stands cause climate change and climate change caused the fire.
    so which poster in this thread is eddie?
    still waiting to have eddies post pointed out to me.
    Head over to the climate change thread. The people who bash the oil industry over there trot over here to pay their respects to the people of Fort McMurray. Again... A month ago all of you would have applauded if Fort McMurray was legislated into oblivion and wouldn't have given one lick for it's people and there welfare. You can't separate the two threads no matter how much you try. You included Mr. "They had to ship in snow to Alaska for the iditorod!". It is the oil industry that employs that town. It is the oil industry that rallied to help that town. It will be the oil industry that rebuilds that town. If you all really want to help Fort McMurray you would save your elitist charitable thoughts and dollars and instead rally your President to approve that pipeline!
    You're really living up to you user name (minus the numbers). Why cannot a person be critical of an industry and at the same time be supportive of human beings? Maybe check out the thread titled- "The difference between being against an industry and being against the workers within an industry"- to get a further idea of what I'm talking about.

    By trying to instigate and bate here, BS, you're blowing your credibility. You don't want a discussion, you just want to provoke. It's hard to take someone very seriously who just likes to piss people off.
    Haaaa...the old username bit gets tossed around and yet I am the one who is losing credibility. You Brian are trying to have it both ways and if me pointing that out is instigating then so be it. The people of Fort McMurray need their industry to thrive right now and that is something you are dead set against. You want to send them love Brian? Call your elected representative and push for some pipelines.
    maybe we should invade Saudi Arabia instead. They are thr drivers of price
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,581
    lukin2006 said:

    Fort McMurray wildfire damage can be seen on new government app

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/fort-mcmurray-damage-satellite-1.3583052

    read this and a couple links within to other stories related.
    very impressive in how things continue to be handled, in particular this next phase.
    kudos.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,343
    BS44325 said:

    brianlux said:

    BS44325 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    mickeyrat said:

    BS44325 said:

    Can someone point to me the post that linked the fire and devastation to tar sand activity?

    I have read nothing on here that reeks of insensitivity. Let me rephrase... there is a level of insensitivity, but it's on the misguided part of some trying to create conflict.

    Everyone here knows oil is vital to society. Everyone here feels shitty for the Fort Mac people. Everyone here knows those people- like all working people- play their part in a productive society. Most everyone here encourages the best practices possible for the least invasive or destructive measures to extract oil.

    Nobody here is saying Fort Mac got what it deserved and this is what has kind of been inferred. It's nonsense.

    Eddie at Toronto 1 said that climate change was responsible. He said to deny this was to disagree with "the scientists". Like Neil he is one that believes that oil should be left in the ground for the sake of the planet and prior to this fire would have not have cared one lick for the people of Fort McMurray had their industry been legislated into oblivian. Obama and now Hillary are looking to legislate coal into oblivian and you don't see anyone caring for the people of West Virginia. I'm sorry but there is an absolute disdain for the energy industry on these boards and a complete disregard for the welfare of their employees and there is a straight line from the belief that the tar stands cause climate change and climate change caused the fire.
    so which poster in this thread is eddie?
    still waiting to have eddies post pointed out to me.
    Head over to the climate change thread. The people who bash the oil industry over there trot over here to pay their respects to the people of Fort McMurray. Again... A month ago all of you would have applauded if Fort McMurray was legislated into oblivion and wouldn't have given one lick for it's people and there welfare. You can't separate the two threads no matter how much you try. You included Mr. "They had to ship in snow to Alaska for the iditorod!". It is the oil industry that employs that town. It is the oil industry that rallied to help that town. It will be the oil industry that rebuilds that town. If you all really want to help Fort McMurray you would save your elitist charitable thoughts and dollars and instead rally your President to approve that pipeline!
    BS44325 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    mickeyrat said:

    BS44325 said:

    Can someone point to me the post that linked the fire and devastation to tar sand activity?

    I have read nothing on here that reeks of insensitivity. Let me rephrase... there is a level of insensitivity, but it's on the misguided part of some trying to create conflict.

    Everyone here knows oil is vital to society. Everyone here feels shitty for the Fort Mac people. Everyone here knows those people- like all working people- play their part in a productive society. Most everyone here encourages the best practices possible for the least invasive or destructive measures to extract oil.

    Nobody here is saying Fort Mac got what it deserved and this is what has kind of been inferred. It's nonsense.

    Eddie at Toronto 1 said that climate change was responsible. He said to deny this was to disagree with "the scientists". Like Neil he is one that believes that oil should be left in the ground for the sake of the planet and prior to this fire would have not have cared one lick for the people of Fort McMurray had their industry been legislated into oblivian. Obama and now Hillary are looking to legislate coal into oblivian and you don't see anyone caring for the people of West Virginia. I'm sorry but there is an absolute disdain for the energy industry on these boards and a complete disregard for the welfare of their employees and there is a straight line from the belief that the tar stands cause climate change and climate change caused the fire.
    so which poster in this thread is eddie?
    still waiting to have eddies post pointed out to me.
    Head over to the climate change thread. The people who bash the oil industry over there trot over here to pay their respects to the people of Fort McMurray. Again... A month ago all of you would have applauded if Fort McMurray was legislated into oblivion and wouldn't have given one lick for it's people and there welfare. You can't separate the two threads no matter how much you try. You included Mr. "They had to ship in snow to Alaska for the iditorod!". It is the oil industry that employs that town. It is the oil industry that rallied to help that town. It will be the oil industry that rebuilds that town. If you all really want to help Fort McMurray you would save your elitist charitable thoughts and dollars and instead rally your President to approve that pipeline!
    You're really living up to you user name (minus the numbers). Why cannot a person be critical of an industry and at the same time be supportive of human beings? Maybe check out the thread titled- "The difference between being against an industry and being against the workers within an industry"- to get a further idea of what I'm talking about.

    By trying to instigate and bate here, BS, you're blowing your credibility. You don't want a discussion, you just want to provoke. It's hard to take someone very seriously who just likes to piss people off.
    Haaaa...the old username bit gets tossed around and yet I am the one who is losing credibility. You Brian are trying to have it both ways and if me pointing that out is instigating then so be it. The people of Fort McMurray need their industry to thrive right now and that is something you are dead set against. You want to send them love Brian? Call your elected representative and push for some pipelines.
    OK, good call on the user name but me wanting it both ways? I seriously doubt you've really read any of my posts, particularly what I said in the "The difference between being against an industry and being against the workers within an industry" thread so this has become a dead-in-the-water discussion and the game grows tiresome.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,995
    Annafalk said:

    Can someone point to me the post that linked the fire and devastation to tar sand activity?

    I have read nothing on here that reeks of insensitivity. Let me rephrase... there is a level of insensitivity, but it's on the misguided part of some trying to create conflict.

    Everyone here knows oil is vital to society. Everyone here feels shitty for the Fort Mac people. Everyone here knows those people- like all working people- play their part in a productive society. Most everyone here encourages the best practices possible for the least invasive or destructive measures to extract oil.

    Nobody here is saying Fort Mac got what it deserved and this is what has kind of been inferred. It's nonsense.

    Yes, some are definitely trying to create conflict I don't know why but it's sad.
    I totally agree.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,995

    I knew it wouldn't be long until people went off on how "awful awful awful" the "tar sands" are.

    And the "huge role" in how devastating the fire was. Now the blame is heading towards the oil industry for every natural disaster we have.

    *rolling my eyes*.. I don't belong here. While we all share the love of music but your view of the world is naive.
    You have no idea how important oil is i(and will continue to be) in your daily lives. You want all of the modern conveniences that come with technology as long as it does not affect you personally.

    Never bother to look at the advances made in industry over the last twenty years especially in ensuring environmental impact is reduced and often eliminated.

    To all of you who provided donations to the Red Cross and other charities to help the victims of Fort Mac thank you. But as the city rebuilds, and the plants resume their million plus barrel a day output, your sympathy will be replaced by the pre-existing venomous attitude towards anyone in the oil industry as the "destroyers of the environment" and "climate changers" and all the other nonsense.

    The same hard working people who lost their homes are the same people you would lose it on if they didn't 100% agree with your stance that oil,and specifically the oil sands, is horrible for the world. You know you wouldn't really like them, because they are mostly like me. Trying to defend the industry that brought them a good standard of living. That donated millions to the hospital, the recreation centres, the kids sports leagues. The flights to get workers out of the camps, the Red Cross for the victims and on and on and on.

    The science and innovation to simply extract the oil from the sand! All the work done to completely eliminate the need for water in the future. I mean, it was all done for the ENVIRONMENT.

    But instead of being moderate and compassionate and sensical by giving the industry some credit, they are "awful awful awful" and you really have no idea what you are talking about because you will only read or see what aligns with your belief system.

    My hope is that this gives you some food for thought as you look around at all your modern conveniences today. Most city folk have no idea how all that shit ended up at IKEA just that its there. And when that crap breaks in six months you take it to the dump and bury it. :lol:

    Oh the hypocrisy...

    This is such bullshit that you quoted my "awful awful awful" and put it into this context. I have never seen you take something so badly put of context before and twist it for your own purpose, which is, apparently, to criticize everyone for nothing.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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