Pearl Jam Mailed It In On Monday Night

tbergs

Not being at the show, I look at the set list and decide whether the boot is worth it based on the lesser known songs being played, but if I'm at the show, I'm not thinking or feeling that at all (except for Sirens, just can't get into it). Is 11 alot for PJ to repeat, yeah. If they cut that to 6 I think most would have been happy. Does it make the show less intense or energizing? I don't think so. Will I get this boot, no probably not, as opposed to MSG1 & 2 from 2010 which I love. I have that with other tours as well though. I love this band and they love playing so keep it coming! I think Canada is in for some amazing shows.

cp3iverson

Greatest hits setlist played really well is ALWAYS better than a rare songs setlist that has no pace and that is more often than not sloppy

Thats why i like Spectrum 03 better than any of the "rarity shows" that ive seen.

EdsonNascimento

Other than PJ20, you would not want a show packed just with rarities. Then you'd be complaining that all the fans were lame. The energy comes from sprinkling Alive, etc. throughout the set. I mean, I loved Leatherman, but if they followed that with 3 others off Lost Dogs, half the arena would have been streaming for the exits. It's a delicate balance, and they do a great job with it. How can you not enjoy Mike's take on Alive each night? Yeah, played a lot, but I don't care that Eric Clapton plays Layla every show either.

It's fun to watch the crowd feed off the band and vice versa. A set of Otherside, Fatal, Sweet Lew, etc sounds like fun and would be for you and me, but once you looked around and realized we are part of 10-15% of the people still listening without a wtf look on our faces you'd realize it's not quite as much fun. And that's not even mentioning the band would not be as tight bc they'd be playing 15 songs they never play. Let's face it, practice makes perfect. And sound system glitches aside which they have nothing to do with, they sounded better musically as a band these past 2 nights than I can remember.

PJ_Soul

PhishinPearls said:

whofeelslikeadrank said:

SVRDhand13 said:

It was my fifth show of this tour and I had an excellent time. Footsteps, Breath, special guests, the Man trilogy, and some great sing a longs. I think you were expecting too much.

it seems like everyone is expecting too much lately, i don't get it

How was I expecting too much? They mailed this show in and played the greatest hits. What sets this group apart is that they, normally, do not do that.

Mailing in the show (or phoning it in, whatever, lol!) is a lot different than not having a setlist full of rarities. Mailing it in means they didn't give a shit, had no energy, no passion, and basically acted like they didn't really want to be there. Is that the case? Or did you just expect a more diverse setlist?

I feel like people are getting obsessive about these setlists.

nicknyr15

Bdog10 said:

mrpink90 said:

pjhawks said:

Bdog10 said:

"Flat out bored" if they were to substitute Satans Bed or a Grievance instead of corduroy? Or a Glorified G ow WWS instead of Evolution. Couldn't disagree with you more

I wouldn't be but yes a good portion of the crowd wouldn't know Satan's Bed or Grievance or WWS. Whenever I go to a show and don't have 10 Club seats songs outside of 10, Vs, Yield and Vitalogy the non-10 Club fans around me just don't have a lot of reactions to songs outside those albums.

but thats the problem for some of us die hards, pearl jam is catering a little more to the casual fans nowadays then they were even just 6-7 years ago. instead of playing grievance as the 3rd song theyre gonna stick with corduroy. instead of immortality we're gonna get better man every nite.

This. Exactly!! The casual fan didn't make PJ who they are today. With out the die hards you really think PJ would be selling out MSG and Philly?

Waaaaaaaahhhhhh. Please dude. Take a look at every bands setlists. All setlists cater to casual fans. R u kidding me. You act like they owe u something based on song selection. Have u ever seen a live band phone it in? I have. Kings of Leon, incubus, tool and countless others. While technically good, performances will never match the intensity of a PJ set. I understand being unhappy with certain song choices but seriously. How many die hard fans were in the MSG? Half of the 21k? Be realistic. Even in GA there was a woman next to me texting the entire show. Die hard? I think not. Some people go into a show with their pinkies on their mouth critiquing every fucking song choice. Damn. Don't mean to single this out but they owe you nothing. They keep ticket prices as cheap as possible while consistently playing over 2.5 hours. Was I happy with 11 repeats ? No. But phoning it in? Owing us "diehards" something. That's bullshit.

PJ_Soul

^^ +1

tbergs

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nicknyr15

PJ_Soul said:

PhishinPearls said:

whofeelslikeadrank said:

SVRDhand13 said:

It was my fifth show of this tour and I had an excellent time. Footsteps, Breath, special guests, the Man trilogy, and some great sing a longs. I think you were expecting too much.

it seems like everyone is expecting too much lately, i don't get it

How was I expecting too much? They mailed this show in and played the greatest hits. What sets this group apart is that they, normally, do not do that.

Mailing in the show (or phoning it in, whatever, lol!) is a lot different than not having a setlist full of rarities. Mailing it in means they didn't give a shit, had no energy, no passion, and basically acted like they didn't really want to be there. Is that the case? Or did you just expect a more diverse setlist?

I feel like people are getting obsessive about these setlists.

Obsessive isn't the word. its insane. Again, I'm on board with people wanting certain songs or not digging a set as much as someone else. But I've yet to see a band play with the passion that pj does. The constant crowd interaction, fulfilled requests, dedications and sweat they leave in the stage is all the evidence I need. I've watched headliners play 1.5 hours without breaking a sweat.

Lauraa

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Lauraa

nicknyr15 said:

Bdog10 said:

mrpink90 said:

pjhawks said:

Bdog10 said:

"Flat out bored" if they were to substitute Satans Bed or a Grievance instead of corduroy? Or a Glorified G ow WWS instead of Evolution. Couldn't disagree with you more

I wouldn't be but yes a good portion of the crowd wouldn't know Satan's Bed or Grievance or WWS. Whenever I go to a show and don't have 10 Club seats songs outside of 10, Vs, Yield and Vitalogy the non-10 Club fans around me just don't have a lot of reactions to songs outside those albums.

but thats the problem for some of us die hards, pearl jam is catering a little more to the casual fans nowadays then they were even just 6-7 years ago. instead of playing grievance as the 3rd song theyre gonna stick with corduroy. instead of immortality we're gonna get better man every nite.

This. Exactly!! The casual fan didn't make PJ who they are today. With out the die hards you really think PJ would be selling out MSG and Philly?

Waaaaaaaahhhhhh. Please dude. Take a look at every bands setlists. All setlists cater to casual fans. R u kidding me. You act like they owe u something based on song selection. Have u ever seen a live band phone it in? I have. Kings of Leon, incubus, tool and countless others. While technically good, performances will never match the intensity of a PJ set. I understand being unhappy with certain song choices but seriously. How many die hard fans were in the MSG? Half of the 21k? Be realistic. Even in GA there was a woman next to me texting the entire show. Die hard? I think not. Some people go into a show with their pinkies on their mouth critiquing every fucking song choice. Damn. Don't mean to single this out but they owe you nothing. They keep ticket prices as cheap as possible while consistently playing over 2.5 hours. Was I happy with 11 repeats ? No. But phoning it in? Owing us "diehards" something. That's bullshit.

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bootlegger10

They are playing longer shows these days so not surprising to throw in more repeats to keep the casual fan interested for three hours.

I told a friend I had a feeling these would be standard setlists in NYC and was right. So wasn't too surprised these shows rewarded the fans who stuck with them the first seven years of their career.

jdopj

I think the title of the thread spun this in a different direction. I don't think they ever mail it in. However there can be a discussion on setlists. Its not insane to wish they concentrated on different albums. It speaks to the quality and diversity of their catalog that people look at setlists so differently. They have also set a high standard so sometimes that works against them and their fans if they repeat more than they might have earlier in the tour or other tours

moemoe6434

Daddy, I want an oompa lump and I want it now!

tbergs

There aren't many bands who can or do play 3 hour shows. Especially with such emotion and intensity. I mean, Ed almost broke down the other night before Release. A song he wrote over 25 years ago! Compare this to anything you've been doing for 25 years and tell me you bring it every time like they do. Remember when 20 songs shows was epic, and then 25, 30 and now anything under 35 isn't enough if they repeat songs that made people fall in love with them.

I don't care if Phish doesn't repeat a song. Are they as intense as Pearl Jam? I don't know, never been to a show, but I do know Pearl Jam are more intense and energized than they were in the early 2000s. It's about more than just not repeating songs. It's about the raw emotion and care for that crowd connection, which they get more than any other band I've seen live.

Live PJ forever!

ItIsAllAboutPJ

Maybe it's their way of encouraging fans to not get tickets for multiple shows in a row, alleviating the ticket shortage....... just a thought.
Sucks if it's true!

pjhawks

EdsonNascimento said:

Other than PJ20, you would not want a show packed just with rarities. Then you'd be complaining that all the fans were lame. The energy comes from sprinkling Alive, etc. throughout the set. I mean, I loved Leatherman, but if they followed that with 3 others off Lost Dogs, half the arena would have been streaming for the exits. It's a delicate balance, and they do a great job with it. How can you not enjoy Mike's take on Alive each night? Yeah, played a lot, but I don't care that Eric Clapton plays Layla every show either.

It's fun to watch the crowd feed off the band and vice versa. A set of Otherside, Fatal, Sweet Lew, etc sounds like fun and would be for you and me, but once you looked around and realized we are part of 10-15% of the people still listening without a wtf look on our faces you'd realize it's not quite as much fun. And that's not even mentioning the band would not be as tight bc they'd be playing 15 songs they never play. Let's face it, practice makes perfect. And sound system glitches aside which they have nothing to do with, they sounded better musically as a band these past 2 nights than I can remember.

this is what i was trying to say earlier you just said it better. thanks.

JM55546

It's sad so many shows for 10c members have become about checking off songs off their list, "completing a full album from your 20 shows" and trying to go to the bestest show ever!

PJ plays two 3 hour concerts in NYC, repeats 10 songs or so over two nights and they've mailed it in. What a bunch of spoiled brats so many have become.

pjhawks

SputNick said:

No other band play 3 hour shows, with such energy and with different setlists every night! From this point of view we should all be grateful of being able to attend their shows. PJ is the best live band right now, enjoy it as long as it lasts!
As stand alone shows both MSG were really good.
I understand though that people that went to both shows or that follow this tour are disappointed with only some of the repetitions in the setlist. PJ setlists are becoming more and more predictable since 2010 e.g. Given to Fly, DTE, E-flow in main set, Porch at the end of encore 1, Alive and Small Town almost always there etc. So whether you like them or not these songs will be there for whatever reason (s that Mike can play solo's behind his back or just because they are great live songs).

It seems that in this 2016 tour there are less songs in the rotation, and only the band can know why. I think if only a few of the repeated songs (maybe Corduroy, LB, MYM, Jeremy or Small Town) were replaced by some songs from Binaural, Yield, Riot Act or Avocado everybody would have been talking about an amazingMSG2 show. And I am not talking about b-sides or rarities. Just songs from these albums that used to be in the rotation before e.g. Grievance, Insignificance, Light Years, Green Disease, Save you, WWS, Severed Hand etc.

By the way just to get the numbers right:
They played 66 songs total with 11 songs being repeated. That means 44 unique songs not 54 or am I getting this wrong?

no, you count the 11 repeated songs 1x. if the total was 66 and 11 were repeated then there were 55 different songs played. 55 songs in 2 nights. that's pretty damn good.

moses562

I have only been to six shows and each time I am happy that I am in the building. The last show being Greenville was exceptional for many reasons. Have I ever heard a song and went 'meh' sure, but the song I go 'meh' to may be someone elses joy. So I never feel the need to go beyond the small 'meh' moments. It's still fun to sing along to Alive, Betterman, Daughter...and hear Evenflow (each and every time) because I love the experience.
At this point I'll take a greatest hits setlist because Greenville was it for me, and the opportunity to see one of my all time favorite bands will not happen forever.
I hope with the more shows I see (life willing) that I always take joy in just 'being in the building.'

Mignelli14

Really surprised at this thread. Believe me I understand the whole thing about MSG being the biggest venue on the planet etc. etc. and there's maybe the biggest population of fans in that area etc. etc. But come one how could you not be happy with that performance? What would have made you happy - if David Bowie and Prince came out to sing a song? Holy