Pearl Jam Mailed It In On Monday Night

jdopj

I don't think that someone commenting on bssically ignoring No Code through Avocado is saying the band owes them something
There are soooo many excellent songs being missed here. Songs that cemented our dedication to the band, when alot of people were bailing.
They have to play some hits for sure. Would just like a taste of the middle albums
This is a healthy discussion, no need for everyone to get defensive

RE4790

Some might argue that things like RITFW, Baba, Last Kiss, and Sonic Reducer are essentially Pearl jam songs at this point.

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jdopj said:

I don't think that someone commenting on bssically ignoring No Code through Avocado is saying the band owes them something
There are soooo many excellent songs being missed here. Songs that cemented our dedication to the band, when alot of people were bailing.
They have to play some hits for sure. Would just like a taste of the middle albums
This is a healthy discussion, no need for everyone to get defensive

The term used "mailed it in" isn't a critique of the setlist, it is a direct attack and questioning of the band's resolve to put on a good show for their fans!!!

This is where the "healthy discussion" ends!!

pjhawks

PhishinPearls said:

pjhawks said:

when did people start to feel like this band owes them something in their set lists? the guys can play whatever the fuck they want. no matter what 30-35 songs this band plays in a night there are always going to be 20-25 that others would want to hear instead. stop worrying about what wasn't played and enjoy what was played. get the fuck over it already. it gets so annoying between the 9000 requests (yea everyone has issues in life and people die, stop burdening PJ and Ed with your problems...that's just my opinion on the requests) and posts like the OP here.

to the OP: do you go to a Rangers game and whine if Lundquist doesn't play? or a Mets game and Harvey doensn't pitch?

I don't think i whined. I think i gave an honest review of the show.

this is what I said: "It's MSG. It's the second night in the same city, and they chose to play it safe and play their hits, which is their right. But let's not fool ourselves and say what a great show this was. It wasn't, and it wasn't even close. I recognize the guys are getting long in the tooth, I recognize it's the fourth show in five nights, but they can be so much better than what they gave us last night. This isn't sour grapes, it's just an honest assessment."

They indeed can play whatever they want. My point is in the past, they've done a much better job of mixing up their sets, and not playing much of the same stuff. There's nothing wrong with healthy critiques.

i don't think your original post came off as a healthy critique. you said you were disappointed and didn't come to hear the hits. to me that comes off as whiny. if i'm reading into that incorrectly then i apologize.

i also think the title of your thread is a direct insult to the guys in the band. Has PJ ever mailed in a show? i wasn't there but seeing some of the vids posted i don't see a band mailing it in at all. maybe they didn't play what you wanted in the set list but do honestly think the songs they played they didn't give it their all in their performances of those songs?. that would be mailing in a show not making a set list you don't agree with.

PhishinPearls

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jdopj said:

I don't think that someone commenting on bssically ignoring No Code through Avocado is saying the band owes them something
There are soooo many excellent songs being missed here. Songs that cemented our dedication to the band, when alot of people were bailing.
They have to play some hits for sure. Would just like a taste of the middle albums
This is a healthy discussion, no need for everyone to get defensive

The term used "mailed it in" isn't a critique of the setlist, it is a direct attack and questioning of the band's resolve to put on a good show for their fans!!!

This is where the "healthy discussion" ends!!

I am questioning the setlist, yes. I'm questioning the effort, yes. I think that's fair.

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pjhawks said:

PhishinPearls said:

pjhawks said:

when did people start to feel like this band owes them something in their set lists? the guys can play whatever the fuck they want. no matter what 30-35 songs this band plays in a night there are always going to be 20-25 that others would want to hear instead. stop worrying about what wasn't played and enjoy what was played. get the fuck over it already. it gets so annoying between the 9000 requests (yea everyone has issues in life and people die, stop burdening PJ and Ed with your problems...that's just my opinion on the requests) and posts like the OP here.

to the OP: do you go to a Rangers game and whine if Lundquist doesn't play? or a Mets game and Harvey doensn't pitch?

I don't think i whined. I think i gave an honest review of the show.

this is what I said: "It's MSG. It's the second night in the same city, and they chose to play it safe and play their hits, which is their right. But let's not fool ourselves and say what a great show this was. It wasn't, and it wasn't even close. I recognize the guys are getting long in the tooth, I recognize it's the fourth show in five nights, but they can be so much better than what they gave us last night. This isn't sour grapes, it's just an honest assessment."

They indeed can play whatever they want. My point is in the past, they've done a much better job of mixing up their sets, and not playing much of the same stuff. There's nothing wrong with healthy critiques.

i don't think your original post came off as a healthy critique. you said you were disappointed and didn't come to hear the hits. to me that comes off as whiny. if i'm reading into that incorrectly then i apologize.

i also think the title of your thread is a direct insult to the guys in the band. Has PJ ever mailed in a show? i wasn't there but seeing some of the vids posted i don't see a band mailing it in at all. maybe they didn't play what you wanted in the set list but do honestly think the songs they played they didn't give it their all in their performances of those songs?. that would be mailing in a show not making a set list you don't agree with.

^exactly

PhishinPearls

pjhawks said:

PhishinPearls said:

pjhawks said:

when did people start to feel like this band owes them something in their set lists? the guys can play whatever the fuck they want. no matter what 30-35 songs this band plays in a night there are always going to be 20-25 that others would want to hear instead. stop worrying about what wasn't played and enjoy what was played. get the fuck over it already. it gets so annoying between the 9000 requests (yea everyone has issues in life and people die, stop burdening PJ and Ed with your problems...that's just my opinion on the requests) and posts like the OP here.

to the OP: do you go to a Rangers game and whine if Lundquist doesn't play? or a Mets game and Harvey doensn't pitch?

I don't think i whined. I think i gave an honest review of the show.

this is what I said: "It's MSG. It's the second night in the same city, and they chose to play it safe and play their hits, which is their right. But let's not fool ourselves and say what a great show this was. It wasn't, and it wasn't even close. I recognize the guys are getting long in the tooth, I recognize it's the fourth show in five nights, but they can be so much better than what they gave us last night. This isn't sour grapes, it's just an honest assessment."

They indeed can play whatever they want. My point is in the past, they've done a much better job of mixing up their sets, and not playing much of the same stuff. There's nothing wrong with healthy critiques.

i don't think your original post came off as a healthy critique. you said you were disappointed and didn't come to hear the hits. to me that comes off as whiny. if i'm reading into that incorrectly then i apologize.

i also think the title of your thread is a direct insult to the guys in the band. Has PJ ever mailed in a show? i wasn't there but seeing some of the vids posted i don't see a band mailing it in at all. maybe they didn't play what you wanted in the set list but do honestly think the songs they played they didn't give it their all in their performances of those songs?. that would be mailing in a show not making a set list you don't agree with.

The choice of songs is a direct correlation to the effort, in my opinion.

intodeep

edit: others addressed my question. so i deleted my post.

jdopj

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jdopj said:

I don't think that someone commenting on bssically ignoring No Code through Avocado is saying the band owes them something
There are soooo many excellent songs being missed here. Songs that cemented our dedication to the band, when alot of people were bailing.
They have to play some hits for sure. Would just like a taste of the middle albums
This is a healthy discussion, no need for everyone to get defensive

The term used "mailed it in" isn't a critique of the setlist, it is a direct attack and questioning of the band's resolve to put on a good show for their fans!!!

This is where the "healthy discussion" ends!!

I agree. The title was bad, but the criticism was fine

RE4790

This isn't some Oberlin safe space, people are allowed to post opinions and feelings about the shows that maybe different from yours and it's on you if it bothers you or you let it diminish your experience in any way. I really enjoyed night 2, even more than night 1, but that is my unique lived experience. Everyone is entitled to their own.

mrpink90

they didnt mail it in. but i agree with everything else. their setlists are more "predictable" than theyve ever been. i felt that way in 2013 with the 4 show run in philly and brooklyn. there were alot of repeats. it was the first time i could ever predict what was coming next.

SmallestOceans

I'm with you, but wouldn't exactly say they "mailed it in". They peaked in Philly and really left it all out there on the first half of the tour. That is without question. You only have so much energy. It's very easy for the hardcore fan to notice that they took a conservative approach in NYC and played a bunch of songs repetitively. But it's understandable at this point. Still two solid shows and a ton of fun. Driven to Tears with Sting was pretty fucking cool and the floor was shaking at points! A bunch of people along with myself thought they might play something like Parting Ways, Nothing as it Seems, Hold on, Strangest Tribe, You Are, or Dirty Frank cause the shows had the potential to be epic. They didn't. But that's ok though.

PhishinPearls

Perhaps mail it in is too strong of a term for some of you, which is fine, so I ask that you look beyond that and at the actual content of what I'm saying - that they played a predicable, hit-heavy setlist at a time when more than ever, they should be taking chances and celebrating their huge catalogue, and to me, that's disappointing.

chadaw76

The band plays "hits" they play "rarities" they play "b-sides" every show! They cater to every single fan from the hardest of the hardcore to the most casual fan who used to listen to them in high school and just knows the first three albums. There is literally something for everyone.What more could you want?

JC29856

chadaw76 said:

The band plays "hits" they play "rarities" they play "b-sides" every show! They cater to every single fan from the hardest of the hardcore to the most casual fan who used to listen to them in high school and just knows the first three albums. There is literally something for everyone.What more could you want?

Since you asked...I want to hand them a setlist and have them play it in my backyard! I have a nice backyard and behind it is a retention pond that's always dry, I could easily accommodate 3,000.

MayDay10

Does playing a set with Ten in order take much more effort than 7 Ten songs in a show?

Every show can't be a Pearl Jam nerd's wet dream. Then there would be no more rarities and order of songs is the only important thing (which is what this discussion evolves to over the years). Remember when Leash was the Sasquatch? Now it's mailing it in.

They try to give their audiences of every show something unique to take home with them. I would say they really hit the gas starting the 2010 tour. Due to that, the bar is raised very high. Every show is really good.

Msg 2 won't be considered in the list of 'epic' shows.... but if you were there, you got a few treats, you were at the show that Rick nielson came out for surrender.... and sting for driven to tears. And then a handful of other tunes you dont hear all the time. To me, that's pretty awesome.



With that said... were they feeling time crunches? For both shows it seemed Eddie's banter was minimal ... and solos seemed to be cut shorter

Suziemay

PhishinPearls said:

Perhaps mail it in is too strong of a term for some of you, which is fine, so I ask that you look beyond that and at the actual content of what I'm saying - that they played a predicable, hit-heavy setlist at a time when more than ever, they should be taking chances and celebrating their huge catalogue, and to me, that's disappointing.

"Mail it in" = To deliver a performance without commitment or effort, with lackluster results

PhishinPearls

I never ever said Leash was a bad thing - trust me, I saw it the second time it had been performed since the long hiatus.

The point is, this show catered to a casual fan, and between the lack of difference in setlist, alot of hits, and a very fast show (you're correct, they were flying through it), that's not what you come to expect from a second night at MSG, and I think we can all agree on that.

PhishinPearls

Suziemay said:

PhishinPearls said:

Perhaps mail it in is too strong of a term for some of you, which is fine, so I ask that you look beyond that and at the actual content of what I'm saying - that they played a predicable, hit-heavy setlist at a time when more than ever, they should be taking chances and celebrating their huge catalogue, and to me, that's disappointing.

"Mail it in" = To deliver a performance without commitment or effort, with lackluster results

As I said - to only play mostly hits, to play 2 of the 3 same songs to open, closing the encore again with Porch, trotting out Last Kiss, ignoring 1995-2010, to me, shows less effort and care in the setlist than what we are accustomed to as fans.

CapnBob

JC29856 said:

chadaw76 said:

The band plays "hits" they play "rarities" they play "b-sides" every show! They cater to every single fan from the hardest of the hardcore to the most casual fan who used to listen to them in high school and just knows the first three albums. There is literally something for everyone.What more could you want?

Since you asked...I want to hand them a setlist and have them play it in my backyard! I have a nice backyard and behind it is a retention pond that's always dry, I could easily accommodate 3,000.

all GA? will there be a lottery? you have room for the merch truck? : )