Pearl Jam Mailed It In On Monday Night

Bdog10

And for the record, I agree with OP. For the life of me, I don't understand why someone would wanna hear corduroy, MYM, DTE when you just heard it live 24 hours ago. There are so many other GREAT songs out there to choose from! It was not like that in 2000 or 2003 or even in 96 for that matter. So yea, maybe some of us are pissed because PJ used to be different every night...and I miss that about them!!

mcgruff10

Phi

sak300zx said:

pjhawks said:

did a quick calculation - over 2 nights and about 6 hours of music they played a total of 65 songs, 11 which were repeated. so they played 54 (or 83%) unique songs over 2 nights. most bands outside of Springsteen don't play 54 unique songs in a full tour. yea they mailed it in (cue eye roll - drops mic and heads off stage)

I disagree with the "mailed it in" comment. PJ never "mails it in" and always brings the house down. I think the frustration is, for me at least, is I fucking love PJ so much that I want to hear as much of their music as possible. I want to hear Binaural. And Riot Act. And Avocado. And every other piece of music that they have ever written/covered/played, etc. When 20% of a concert is spent playing songs I literally heard 24 hours ago, I get disappointed for all the songs I love and did not hear.

The reason why most other bands simply play a generic set list is because 75% of their music sucks.

This is pretty spot on bud. I wanted to hear songs like immortality, parting ways, moth, long road, marker, half full, etc.

Gremmie03

I envy the people who have heard all songs from a specific show live.

Ive been to 7 shows and finally got Jeremy help help footsteps, tremor christ pilate cn once black, deep and happy bday twice on my 6,7. Never had release as an opener
And my ww are garden leash hti and wash.

But to the ops defense FFL and MIA are b2b shows. They played corduroy in ffl and opened mia w it. That i dont unferstand.

This is a 25 ann/LB tour so we are getting plenty of old mixed w the newer stuff.

Now I need to figure out how to get 2 fenway tix. Shhot me a pm if u got any.

MB656972

HesCalledDyer said:

Surrender w/ Cheap Trick
Leatherman
Save it for Later tag
Garden
Deep
Leash
All Or None
Present Tense
Breath/SOLAT back to back
Driven to Tears w/ Sting
Sonic Reducer

Hardly mailing it in! Once I invent the time machine, I'll gladly go back and trade places with ya, man!

Word.

pjhawks

Bdog10 said:

And for the record, I agree with OP. For the life of me, I don't understand why someone would wanna hear corduroy, MYM, DTE when you just heard it live 24 hours ago. There are so many other GREAT songs out there to choose from! It was not like that in 2000 or 2003 or even in 96 for that matter. So yea, maybe some of us are pissed because PJ used to be different every night...and I miss that about them!!

First off I think Corduroy and DTE are probably 2 of the 3 best songs PJ does live (along with Given to Fly) so I have no problem hearing them at every show. in fact i think those 3 are core songs that PJ shows are often built around. a good set list has a mixture of up tempo, mid-temple and slower songs. too much of one thing will lead a portion of the crowd to be flat out bored. if the songs people are listing as they rather hear were all played in a row of a 6 or 7 song set the non-10 Club fans in the crowd would be bored out their skull.

secondly without having the statistics in front of me i call bullshit on 2000 and 2003 tours being more diverse. I'd have to look it up but i'd be surprised if any back-to-back nights in one city had a higher than 83% unique song rate in those tours seeing as they were promoting specific albums at the time and had a smaller catalog to choose from.

Bdog10

pjhawks said:

Bdog10 said:

And for the record, I agree with OP. For the life of me, I don't understand why someone would wanna hear corduroy, MYM, DTE when you just heard it live 24 hours ago. There are so many other GREAT songs out there to choose from! It was not like that in 2000 or 2003 or even in 96 for that matter. So yea, maybe some of us are pissed because PJ used to be different every night...and I miss that about them!!

First off I think Corduroy and DTE are probably 2 of the 3 best songs PJ does live (along with Given to Fly) so I have no problem hearing them at every show. in fact i think those 3 are core songs that PJ shows are often built around. a good set list has a mixture of up tempo, mid-temple and slower songs. too much of one thing will lead a portion of the crowd to be flat out bored. if the songs people are listing as they rather hear were all played in a row of a 6 or 7 song set the non-10 Club fans in the crowd would be bored out their skull.

secondly without having the statistics in front of me i call bullshit on 2000 and 2003 tours being more diverse. I'd have to look it up but i'd be surprised if any back-to-back nights in one city had a higher than 83% unique song rate in those tours seeing as they were promoting specific albums at the time and had a smaller catalog to choose from.

See MSG 2003!

tbergs

Bdog10 said:

pjhawks said:

Bdog10 said:

And for the record, I agree with OP. For the life of me, I don't understand why someone would wanna hear corduroy, MYM, DTE when you just heard it live 24 hours ago. There are so many other GREAT songs out there to choose from! It was not like that in 2000 or 2003 or even in 96 for that matter. So yea, maybe some of us are pissed because PJ used to be different every night...and I miss that about them!!

First off I think Corduroy and DTE are probably 2 of the 3 best songs PJ does live (along with Given to Fly) so I have no problem hearing them at every show. in fact i think those 3 are core songs that PJ shows are often built around. a good set list has a mixture of up tempo, mid-temple and slower songs. too much of one thing will lead a portion of the crowd to be flat out bored. if the songs people are listing as they rather hear were all played in a row of a 6 or 7 song set the non-10 Club fans in the crowd would be bored out their skull.

secondly without having the statistics in front of me i call bullshit on 2000 and 2003 tours being more diverse. I'd have to look it up but i'd be surprised if any back-to-back nights in one city had a higher than 83% unique song rate in those tours seeing as they were promoting specific albums at the time and had a smaller catalog to choose from.

See MSG 2003!

There's always an outlier on the tour. It just isn't going to be MSG this time.

Bdog10

"Flat out bored" if they were to substitute Satans Bed or a Grievance instead of corduroy? Or a Glorified G ow WWS instead of Evolution. Couldn't disagree with you more

tbergs

I remember everybody complaining during the 03 tour about the lack of Ten and Vs songs being played, now it's reversed. The grass is always greener baby

pjhawks

Bdog10 said:

"Flat out bored" if they were to substitute Satans Bed or a Grievance instead of corduroy? Or a Glorified G ow WWS instead of Evolution. Couldn't disagree with you more

I wouldn't be but yes a good portion of the crowd wouldn't know Satan's Bed or Grievance or WWS. Whenever I go to a show and don't have 10 Club seats songs outside of 10, Vs, Yield and Vitalogy the non-10 Club fans around me just don't have a lot of reactions to songs outside those albums.

Bdog10

tbergs said:

Bdog10 said:

pjhawks said:

Bdog10 said:

And for the record, I agree with OP. For the life of me, I don't understand why someone would wanna hear corduroy, MYM, DTE when you just heard it live 24 hours ago. There are so many other GREAT songs out there to choose from! It was not like that in 2000 or 2003 or even in 96 for that matter. So yea, maybe some of us are pissed because PJ used to be different every night...and I miss that about them!!

First off I think Corduroy and DTE are probably 2 of the 3 best songs PJ does live (along with Given to Fly) so I have no problem hearing them at every show. in fact i think those 3 are core songs that PJ shows are often built around. a good set list has a mixture of up tempo, mid-temple and slower songs. too much of one thing will lead a portion of the crowd to be flat out bored. if the songs people are listing as they rather hear were all played in a row of a 6 or 7 song set the non-10 Club fans in the crowd would be bored out their skull.

secondly without having the statistics in front of me i call bullshit on 2000 and 2003 tours being more diverse. I'd have to look it up but i'd be surprised if any back-to-back nights in one city had a higher than 83% unique song rate in those tours seeing as they were promoting specific albums at the time and had a smaller catalog to choose from.

See MSG 2003!

There's always an outlier on the tour. It just isn't going to be MSG this time.

I saw 8 shows in 03...so obviously it just wasn't MSG. And I can promise you there were less repeats back then.

mrpink90

pjhawks said:

Bdog10 said:

"Flat out bored" if they were to substitute Satans Bed or a Grievance instead of corduroy? Or a Glorified G ow WWS instead of Evolution. Couldn't disagree with you more

I wouldn't be but yes a good portion of the crowd wouldn't know Satan's Bed or Grievance or WWS. Whenever I go to a show and don't have 10 Club seats songs outside of 10, Vs, Yield and Vitalogy the non-10 Club fans around me just don't have a lot of reactions to songs outside those albums.

but thats the problem for some of us die hards, pearl jam is catering a little more to the casual fans nowadays then they were even just 6-7 years ago. instead of playing grievance as the 3rd song theyre gonna stick with corduroy. instead of immortality we're gonna get better man every nite.

tbergs

tbergs said:

Bdog10 said:

pjhawks said:

Bdog10 said:

And for the record, I agree with OP. For the life of me, I don't understand why someone would wanna hear corduroy, MYM, DTE when you just heard it live 24 hours ago. There are so many other GREAT songs out there to choose from! It was not like that in 2000 or 2003 or even in 96 for that matter. So yea, maybe some of us are pissed because PJ used to be different every night...and I miss that about them!!

First off I think Corduroy and DTE are probably 2 of the 3 best songs PJ does live (along with Given to Fly) so I have no problem hearing them at every show. in fact i think those 3 are core songs that PJ shows are often built around. a good set list has a mixture of up tempo, mid-temple and slower songs. too much of one thing will lead a portion of the crowd to be flat out bored. if the songs people are listing as they rather hear were all played in a row of a 6 or 7 song set the non-10 Club fans in the crowd would be bored out their skull.

secondly without having the statistics in front of me i call bullshit on 2000 and 2003 tours being more diverse. I'd have to look it up but i'd be surprised if any back-to-back nights in one city had a higher than 83% unique song rate in those tours seeing as they were promoting specific albums at the time and had a smaller catalog to choose from.

See MSG 2003!

There's always an outlier on the tour. It just isn't going to be MSG this time.

W up o

Bdog10 said:

tbergs said:

Bdog10 said:

pjhawks said:

Bdog10 said:

And for the record, I agree with OP. For the life of me, I don't understand why someone would wanna hear corduroy, MYM, DTE when you just heard it live 24 hours ago. There are so many other GREAT songs out there to choose from! It was not like that in 2000 or 2003 or even in 96 for that matter. So yea, maybe some of us are pissed because PJ used to be different every night...and I miss that about them!!

First off I think Corduroy and DTE are probably 2 of the 3 best songs PJ does live (along with Given to Fly) so I have no problem hearing them at every show. in fact i think those 3 are core songs that PJ shows are often built around. a good set list has a mixture of up tempo, mid-temple and slower songs. too much of one thing will lead a portion of the crowd to be flat out bored. if the songs people are listing as they rather hear were all played in a row of a 6 or 7 song set the non-10 Club fans in the crowd would be bored out their skull.

secondly without having the statistics in front of me i call bullshit on 2000 and 2003 tours being more diverse. I'd have to look it up but i'd be surprised if any back-to-back nights in one city had a higher than 83% unique song rate in those tours seeing as they were promoting specific albums at the time and had a smaller catalog to choose from.

See MSG 2003!

There's always an outlier on the tour. It just isn't going to be MSG this time.

I saw 8 shows in 03...so obviously it just wasn't MSG. And I can promise you there were less repeats back then.

Bdog10 said:

tbergs said:

Bdog10 said:

pjhawks said:

Bdog10 said:

And for the record, I agree with OP. For the life of me, I don't understand why someone would wanna hear corduroy, MYM, DTE when you just heard it live 24 hours ago. There are so many other GREAT songs out there to choose from! It was not like that in 2000 or 2003 or even in 96 for that matter. So yea, maybe some of us are pissed because PJ used to be different every night...and I miss that about them!!

First off I think Corduroy and DTE are probably 2 of the 3 best songs PJ does live (along with Given to Fly) so I have no problem hearing them at every show. in fact i think those 3 are core songs that PJ shows are often built around. a good set list has a mixture of up tempo, mid-temple and slower songs. too much of one thing will lead a portion of the crowd to be flat out bored. if the songs people are listing as they rather hear were all played in a row of a 6 or 7 song set the non-10 Club fans in the crowd would be bored out their skull.

secondly without having the statistics in front of me i call bullshit on 2000 and 2003 tours being more diverse. I'd have to look it up but i'd be surprised if any back-to-back nights in one city had a higher than 83% unique song rate in those tours seeing as they were promoting specific albums at the time and had a smaller catalog to choose from.

See MSG 2003!

There's always an outlier on the tour. It just isn't going to be MSG this time.

I saw 8 shows in 03...so obviously it just wasn't MSG. And I can promise you there were less repeats back then.

Are the statistics really that much different of overlap songs?

SputNick

No other band play 3 hour shows, with such energy and with different setlists every night! From this point of view we should all be grateful of being able to attend their shows. PJ is the best live band right now, enjoy it as long as it lasts!
As stand alone shows both MSG were really good.
I understand though that people that went to both shows or that follow this tour are disappointed with only some of the repetitions in the setlist. PJ setlists are becoming more and more predictable since 2010 e.g. Given to Fly, DTE, E-flow in main set, Porch at the end of encore 1, Alive and Small Town almost always there etc. So whether you like them or not these songs will be there for whatever reason (s that Mike can play solo's behind his back or just because they are great live songs).

It seems that in this 2016 tour there are less songs in the rotation, and only the band can know why. I think if only a few of the repeated songs (maybe Corduroy, LB, MYM, Jeremy or Small Town) were replaced by some songs from Binaural, Yield, Riot Act or Avocado everybody would have been talking about an amazingMSG2 show. And I am not talking about b-sides or rarities. Just songs from these albums that used to be in the rotation before e.g. Grievance, Insignificance, Light Years, Green Disease, Save you, WWS, Severed Hand etc.

By the way just to get the numbers right:
They played 66 songs total with 11 songs being repeated. That means 44 unique songs not 54 or am I getting this wrong?

Bdog10

mrpink90 said:

pjhawks said:

Bdog10 said:

"Flat out bored" if they were to substitute Satans Bed or a Grievance instead of corduroy? Or a Glorified G ow WWS instead of Evolution. Couldn't disagree with you more

I wouldn't be but yes a good portion of the crowd wouldn't know Satan's Bed or Grievance or WWS. Whenever I go to a show and don't have 10 Club seats songs outside of 10, Vs, Yield and Vitalogy the non-10 Club fans around me just don't have a lot of reactions to songs outside those albums.

but thats the problem for some of us die hards, pearl jam is catering a little more to the casual fans nowadays then they were even just 6-7 years ago. instead of playing grievance as the 3rd song theyre gonna stick with corduroy. instead of immortality we're gonna get better man every nite.

This. Exactly!! The casual fan didn't make PJ who they are today. With out the die hards you really think PJ would be selling out MSG and Philly?

ldent42

I thought the expression wss "phoned it in"

mrpink90

i wish they would treat corduroy and do the evolution like black and daughter. play them alot but not every single night. given to fly is reaching that point too. they obviously like the audience participation of those songs but it just adds to the predictability of the show. i hate the new corduroy breakdown, thats such a cliche thing to do at a show with the audience repeating the singer's ooohs and aaaaahs.

Bdog10

Throw in Alive, RITFW, and Baba. Great tunes yes, but give it a break already. Very predictable

London Bridge

Last tour there was all the whining about Pendulum being played all the time.
This tour it's... bla bla bla

My definition of disappointment is when the band stops touring forever.

Bdog10

SputNick said:

No other band play 3 hour shows, with such energy and with different setlists every night! From this point of view we should all be grateful of being able to attend their shows. PJ is the best live band right now, enjoy it as long as it lasts!
As stand alone shows both MSG were really good.
I understand though that people that went to both shows or that follow this tour are disappointed with only some of the repetitions in the setlist. PJ setlists are becoming more and more predictable since 2010 e.g. Given to Fly, DTE, E-flow in main set, Porch at the end of encore 1, Alive and Small Town almost always there etc. So whether you like them or not these songs will be there for whatever reason (s that Mike can play solo's behind his back or just because they are great live songs).

It seems that in this 2016 tour there are less songs in the rotation, and only the band can know why. I think if only a few of the repeated songs (maybe Corduroy, LB, MYM, Jeremy or Small Town) were replaced by some songs from Binaural, Yield, Riot Act or Avocado everybody would have been talking about an amazingMSG2 show. And I am not talking about b-sides or rarities. Just songs from these albums that used to be in the rotation before e.g. Grievance, Insignificance, Light Years, Green Disease, Save you, WWS, Severed Hand etc.

By the way just to get the numbers right:
They played 66 songs total with 11 songs being repeated. That means 44 unique songs not 54 or am I getting this wrong?

Again...yes other bands do play 3 hour shows and mix up their set lists way much more than PJ.

Phish, WSP