Pearl Jam Mailed It In On Monday Night

Bdog10

MayDay10 said:

dkast85 said:

whofeelslikeadrank said:

Tiki said:

Please stop talkng about Phish.

amen

We're making a Phish thread in the "Other Music" section. Chill down.

One thing I find really funny about PJ fans is that if you don't say "Great show" after every show then you must hate Pearl Jam. Shows how little PJ fans value the music.

I don't think people hate pearl jam... there is just kind of a diminishing returns dealie. After 24 shows I started to fall into it. The longer you go, the more shows you go to, the deeper you know the catalog... you grow a "tolerance", it's tougher to scratch the itch. When I first started, I loved hearing even flow and black. My pallette changed over the years. I try to go in with no expectations. I realized the bar has been set very, very high and every single show can't be the envy of the rest of the fanbase.... "ordinary" with a Pearl Jam show is pretty damn good. When I hear even flow or Jeremy now, I think of all the newcomers who know those tunes and will have lost dogs memorized in a few years.

That's a good point... I respect that. I'm 45 shows in so I guess I'm just a jaded vet then?

I just feel PJ plays to the newcomer instead of fans more like myself. The newbie didn't get PJ where they are today. You know what I mean?

Please don't kill me...I'm just making my point.

nicknyr15

nycrats said:

dkast85 said:

whofeelslikeadrank said:

Tiki said:

Please stop talkng about Phish.

amen

We're making a Phish thread in the "Other Music" section. Chill down.

One thing I find really funny about PJ fans is that if you don't say "Great show" after every show then you must hate Pearl Jam. Shows how little PJ fans value the music.

1. thats not true. people definitely will debate and be objective, however must shows are indeed great.
2. stop being such a phish fan saying stuff like "pj fans dont really value music" - your band is a shell of what it was in the mid 90s.. youre trying to be a know it all and the band youre using as an example plays dad rock

Hahaha. Great.

Bdog10

nycrats said:

dkast85 said:

whofeelslikeadrank said:

Tiki said:

Please stop talkng about Phish.

amen

We're making a Phish thread in the "Other Music" section. Chill down.

One thing I find really funny about PJ fans is that if you don't say "Great show" after every show then you must hate Pearl Jam. Shows how little PJ fans value the music.

1. thats not true. people definitely will debate and be objective, however must shows are indeed great.
2. stop being such a phish fan saying stuff like "pj fans dont really value music" - your band is a shell of what it was in the mid 90s.. youre trying to be a know it all and the band youre using as an example plays dad rock

With all due respect, you're out of your mind. Starting to think your just a troll now

nycrats

Bdog10 said:

nycrats said:

dkast85 said:

whofeelslikeadrank said:

Tiki said:

Please stop talkng about Phish.

amen

We're making a Phish thread in the "Other Music" section. Chill down.

One thing I find really funny about PJ fans is that if you don't say "Great show" after every show then you must hate Pearl Jam. Shows how little PJ fans value the music.

1. thats not true. people definitely will debate and be objective, however must shows are indeed great.
2. stop being such a phish fan saying stuff like "pj fans dont really value music" - your band is a shell of what it was in the mid 90s.. youre trying to be a know it all and the band youre using as an example plays dad rock

With all due respect, you're out of your mind. Starting to think your just a troll now

its hard to use phish in 2016 as the barometer for the pinnacle of rock musicianship. blanket statements like i like phish, pearl jam fans dont get music are equally absurd as the trolling you think i am doing. if were going to compare the two bands, then compare 2016 versions, instead of thinking its 1997. you have to admit phish isnt close to their old self. that is not a troll, that is a fact.

anyway i noticed that other guy didnt start his phish thread in "other music"- probably because it wont get the clicks this thread does as phish fans tend to be best at shitting on others music ..

Bdog10

nycrats said:

Bdog10 said:

nycrats said:

dkast85 said:

whofeelslikeadrank said:

Tiki said:

Please stop talkng about Phish.

amen

We're making a Phish thread in the "Other Music" section. Chill down.

One thing I find really funny about PJ fans is that if you don't say "Great show" after every show then you must hate Pearl Jam. Shows how little PJ fans value the music.

1. thats not true. people definitely will debate and be objective, however must shows are indeed great.
2. stop being such a phish fan saying stuff like "pj fans dont really value music" - your band is a shell of what it was in the mid 90s.. youre trying to be a know it all and the band youre using as an example plays dad rock

With all due respect, you're out of your mind. Starting to think your just a troll now

its hard to use phish in 2016 as the barometer for the pinnacle of rock musicianship. blanket statements like i like phish, pearl jam fans dont get music are equally absurd as the trolling you think i am doing. if were going to compare the two bands, then compare 2016 versions, instead of thinking its 1997. you have to admit phish isnt close to their old self. that is not a troll, that is a fact.

anyway i noticed that other guy didnt start his phish thread in "other music"- probably because it wont get the clicks this thread does as phish fans tend to be best at shitting on others music ..

You sound angry Brahh... What's the matter, too many bad hits of L on the lot in the 90's. You're proving my point more and more minute by minute. Just another sensitive PJ fan who can't call a spade a spade!

As regards to Phish, the crew I hang out with who has been with them since the early 90's couldn't disagree with you more. Magna was insane and the music was first class. Sorry you're spun out mind can't regonize that anymore

MayDay10

Bdog10 said:

MayDay10 said:

dkast85 said:

whofeelslikeadrank said:

Tiki said:

Please stop talkng about Phish.

amen

We're making a Phish thread in the "Other Music" section. Chill down.

One thing I find really funny about PJ fans is that if you don't say "Great show" after every show then you must hate Pearl Jam. Shows how little PJ fans value the music.

I don't think people hate pearl jam... there is just kind of a diminishing returns dealie. After 24 shows I started to fall into it. The longer you go, the more shows you go to, the deeper you know the catalog... you grow a "tolerance", it's tougher to scratch the itch. When I first started, I loved hearing even flow and black. My pallette changed over the years. I try to go in with no expectations. I realized the bar has been set very, very high and every single show can't be the envy of the rest of the fanbase.... "ordinary" with a Pearl Jam show is pretty damn good. When I hear even flow or Jeremy now, I think of all the newcomers who know those tunes and will have lost dogs memorized in a few years.

That's a good point... I respect that. I'm 45 shows in so I guess I'm just a jaded vet then?

I just feel PJ plays to the newcomer instead of fans more like myself. The newbie didn't get PJ where they are today. You know what I mean?

Please don't kill me...I'm just making my point.

I get it. I'm not upset. 45 shows is a lot. I wouldn't say it's jaded. Just you've seen almost everything they have to offer.

It's like hot sauce. I'm a fan. I have it as well as jalapeños multiple times a day. Now I can eat things and they taste sweet, meanwhile my wife and others think it is way too spicy... meanwhile, I have friends who scoff at me because I like the taste and heat level of the habanero. They have progressed even more and less hot sauce varieties on the shelves appeal to them... we all still love hot sauce though.

With pearl jam. They need to try to balance the setlists to please everyone. From "casual fans" who only remember tracks from rock radio... to 100 show vets. Then also factor in promotion of current material as well as the general skeletal framework in place for the shows (openers, where songs typically go, rvm and porch to end sets/encores, ev slow to start 1st encore, alive into the end of the show with a short list of closers, etc.) They also keep enough tucked under their hat to keep the regulars coming back and begging... Despite them changing it up, it can get repetitive.

I don't get upset with the band if I go to a show with mainly greatest hits. Luck of the draw. I dont think they mailed it in, went through the motions, were lazy, punished us, etc... just happened to be the set the wrote up that night.

I do understand a bit more the frustration of repeats in 2 show runs.... especially a magnet location like msg.

dkast85

"BEST SHOW EVER BROS!"
-Pearl Jam fans every single night.

dkast85

For the record, I loved every PJ show i've ever seen. I've only seen them 7 times and first show was only in 2013. Only been a fan for 6 years. But I am just commenting on how little PJ fans care about the music. It is evident beyond the constant "Best show ever" comments. They yap more than any band i've ever seen during the show. They are on their phones more than any band fanbase i've ever seen. And they are more into merch than the music itself. I get liking merch. PJ merch is cool. I like collecting it myself. But it has gotten to the point where it seems like PJ fans are there to shop more than they are for the music.

OceansJenny

I'm glad this thread turned into a terrible Phish discussion bc this topic was bad anyway.

dkast85

OceansJenny said:

I'm glad this thread turned into a terrible Phish discussion bc this topic was bad anyway.

There was nothing terrible about either discussion.

whofeelslikeadrank

dkast85 said:

OceansJenny said:

I'm glad this thread turned into a terrible Phish discussion bc this topic was bad anyway.

There was nothing terrible about either discussion.

except that fish were involved...

whofeelslikeadrank

nicknyr15 said:

nycrats said:

dkast85 said:

whofeelslikeadrank said:

Tiki said:

Please stop talkng about Phish.

amen

We're making a Phish thread in the "Other Music" section. Chill down.

One thing I find really funny about PJ fans is that if you don't say "Great show" after every show then you must hate Pearl Jam. Shows how little PJ fans value the music.

1. thats not true. people definitely will debate and be objective, however must shows are indeed great.
2. stop being such a phish fan saying stuff like "pj fans dont really value music" - your band is a shell of what it was in the mid 90s.. youre trying to be a know it all and the band youre using as an example plays dad rock

Hahaha. Great.

High Fidelity 2000

I wasn't there but I don't remember reading the setlists and being very OMG in MSG...

Personally I thought the setlists the first 3-4 shows in Florida seemed great and full of rarities. Then it seemed like they kinda took it easy for a while, like the OP said, lots of old hits. The night in Philly when they DIDN'T play Ten, they played like 70% of it. Then came back the next night and played the whole thing. Personally I would be a lot more impressed with a show where they only played 2-3 songs off Ten than the majority of it. I would love to see a more balanced show with songs from every album instead of the main chunk of it first 3 albums. I get what you're saying OP.

nicknyr15

High Fidelity 2000 said:

I wasn't there but I don't remember reading the setlists and being very OMG in MSG...

Personally I thought the setlists the first 3-4 shows in Florida seemed great and full of rarities. Then it seemed like they kinda took it easy for a while, like the OP said, lots of old hits. The night in Philly when they DIDN'T play Ten, they played like 70% of it. Then came back the next night and played the whole thing. Personally I would be a lot more impressed with a show where they only played 2-3 songs off Ten than the majority of it. I would love to see a more balanced show with songs from every album instead of the main chunk of it first 3 albums. I get what you're saying OP.

Then listen to shows from 2003. It's quite obvious EV goes through different moods and phases with setlists. Remember when Why Go was a rarity? He's feeling Ten right now. What's the problem?

on2legs

High Fidelity 2000 said:

I wasn't there but I don't remember reading the setlists and being very OMG in MSG...

Personally I thought the setlists the first 3-4 shows in Florida seemed great and full of rarities. Then it seemed like they kinda took it easy for a while, like the OP said, lots of old hits. The night in Philly when they DIDN'T play Ten, they played like 70% of it. Then came back the next night and played the whole thing. Personally I would be a lot more impressed with a show where they only played 2-3 songs off Ten than the majority of it. I would love to see a more balanced show with songs from every album instead of the main chunk of it first 3 albums. I get what you're saying OP.

But that's not mailing it in. That's a preference about the set list. Mailing it in implies a lack of effort. And if there is one thing this band does it's provide maximum effort at every show.

ikiT

"Pure stoke" is how Jeff refers to it.

Peasant Tents

I enjoyed both nights, but I think Ed's been feeling 10 since 2006 - I remember Copenhagen 2007 being the first time I thought, wow that was a lot of 10. And I was pretty happy with it.

I get the OP's point - there are different tracks on Yield to DTE , GTF (we did get In Hiding night 1) etc - and also I love to hear tracks from the Binaural and Riot Act. Being my first visit to the US I was hoping for an "epic" show... I felt a bit like that on the night but there were also loads of highlights...

But in the end, every show is a seperate event with a balance being created for everyone.

If I had to hope for one song (which I thought was a nail on certainty - and was always my favourite song from 10) over the 2 nights it was Garden - which I've only ever seen (now) once in 26 shows....

Super couple of shows - I doubt I will ever make it back to the Garden but I feel lucky, privileged and spoilt to have been there at all.
I saw a band giving it everything from where I was sitting, and an Arena full of smiling faces!!

HesCalledDyer

It is the 25th anniversary of Ten. Just sayin.

seanwon

What did the Phish fans say when they ran out of drugs?
"Damn, this music sucks".

nycrats

Bdog10 said:

nycrats said:

Bdog10 said:

nycrats said:

dkast85 said:

whofeelslikeadrank said:

Tiki said:

Please stop talkng about Phish.

amen

We're making a Phish thread in the "Other Music" section. Chill down.

One thing I find really funny about PJ fans is that if you don't say "Great show" after every show then you must hate Pearl Jam. Shows how little PJ fans value the music.

1. thats not true. people definitely will debate and be objective, however must shows are indeed great.
2. stop being such a phish fan saying stuff like "pj fans dont really value music" - your band is a shell of what it was in the mid 90s.. youre trying to be a know it all and the band youre using as an example plays dad rock

With all due respect, you're out of your mind. Starting to think your just a troll now

its hard to use phish in 2016 as the barometer for the pinnacle of rock musicianship. blanket statements like i like phish, pearl jam fans dont get music are equally absurd as the trolling you think i am doing. if were going to compare the two bands, then compare 2016 versions, instead of thinking its 1997. you have to admit phish isnt close to their old self. that is not a troll, that is a fact.

anyway i noticed that other guy didnt start his phish thread in "other music"- probably because it wont get the clicks this thread does as phish fans tend to be best at shitting on others music ..

You sound angry Brahh... What's the matter, too many bad hits of L on the lot in the 90's. You're proving my point more and more minute by minute. Just another sensitive PJ fan who can't call a spade a spade!

As regards to Phish, the crew I hang out with who has been with them since the early 90's couldn't disagree with you more. Magna was insane and the music was first class. Sorry you're spun out mind can't regonize that anymore

yeah you got me. thats exactly it, i sitll think im a glass of oj. you nailed it. lol

anyway i didnt ever say you couldnt be critical of pj (and for the record the thread were in says they mailed it in on 5/2- they did not mail it in) but to say the only people that have true music opinions are phish fans is a bit laughable-not exactly what you said but its kinda the sentiment from some here. we agree on some stuff, disagree on others. there were indeed some good shows in '15 but lets see how this summer goes without trey devoting himself back to practicing, hope you get that sick caspian>20yl>winterquwwn>wading tho..