Surprising how close-minded some of you are to healthy criticism and an honest discussion of the songs the band plays at shows.
surprising how you don't seem to understand the difference between healthy criticism and an asinine statement like 'mailing it in' is.
And again, like I said - that setlist is mailed in - not the effort of how they actually played the songs.
except the percentages of unique songs in this MSG run varies very little from previous MSG runs. the facts don't support the argument you and others are making. at most you are talking 1 or 2 extra songs repeated but with more total overall songs played. no discernible differences today than previous MSG runs.
I'm also walking this back to the shows in Philly. And when you do that, there's really nothing unique about the show whatsoever. Don't get me wrong, a typical PJ show is a great concert. But I hold them to a higher standard than other bands.
By the way during encore breaks in MSG1 this year, I felt people were not cheering much for the band to go out on stage again. I remember from other shows (Brooklyn '13, even MSG2) it was much better. I mean, we know they do 2 encores but we should not take it for granted. Does anyone have the same impression? It could be also that I was sitting very high up...
I agree. Maybe it was because I was deaf from the first set but it did seem pretty quiet. I think the two encores is basically taken for granted nowadays so people view it as a chance to check their phones.
opinion. nothing more. even if the numbers tell the real truth. sucks you didn't like the show. maybe skip them next time around.
No need to skip. I love this band and I've seen some great shows. Just because they have one off night doesn't mean I'll stop going. But we can give an honest assessment which is what I'm doing.
They're already at a higher standard than other bands.
Right, and within that, they fell far below their own standard with that setlist.
Whose standard did they fall below? Certainly not their own. I don't think you know what the member's of the band standards are.
The standard they've set over the last 20+ years as a band that plays incredibly diverse setlists.
Wait, you went to only MSG 2 and you're complaining?
I went to both philly and MSG 1 so I saw even more repeats then people who only went to night 1 and I was very happy with the show. I'm not trying to jump on you but if you only saw this one show, how could not be satisfied?
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To the OP...Honest question, what did you think about Toronto 2?
To the OP...Honest question, what did you think about Toronto 2?
Didn't love the open...the collection of Why Go/Cord/MYM has become far too common to open a show. Great that they played BoJ...could've easily put that at the top.
Nice to see RA get some love w/ I Am Mine/Cropduster/Green Disease. To me, overall, a nice first set. Not mind-blowing, I'd put it a notch or two over MSG2.
1st encore: Inside Job is under-played, so that's nice to see. Oceans is a relative rarity that's getting some love this tour, and can't go wrong with Breath. Disappointing again to see Porch in a 1st encore closing slot.
2nd encore: Nearly exactly the same 2nd encore as MSG2 and Philly2 for the most part. Disappointing. A lot of other tunes could have been played here.
To me, maybe a step above MSG2 from a setlist standpoint. But nothing to write home about.
To the OP...Honest question, what did you think about Toronto 2?
Didn't love the open...the collection of Why Go/Cord/MYM has become far too common to open a show. Great that they played BoJ...could've easily put that at the top.
Nice to see RA get some love w/ I Am Mine/Cropduster/Green Disease. To me, overall, a nice first set. Not mind-blowing, I'd put it a notch or two over MSG2.
1st encore: Inside Job is under-played, so that's nice to see. Oceans is a relative rarity that's getting some love this tour, and can't go wrong with Breath. Disappointing again to see Porch in a 1st encore closing slot.
2nd encore: Nearly exactly the same 2nd encore as MSG2 and Philly2 for the most part. Disappointing. A lot of other tunes could have been played here.
To me, maybe a step above MSG2 from a setlist standpoint. But nothing to write home about.
To the OP...Honest question, what did you think about Toronto 2?
Didn't love the open...the collection of Why Go/Cord/MYM has become far too common to open a show. Great that they played BoJ...could've easily put that at the top.
Nice to see RA get some love w/ I Am Mine/Cropduster/Green Disease. To me, overall, a nice first set. Not mind-blowing, I'd put it a notch or two over MSG2.
1st encore: Inside Job is under-played, so that's nice to see. Oceans is a relative rarity that's getting some love this tour, and can't go wrong with Breath. Disappointing again to see Porch in a 1st encore closing slot.
2nd encore: Nearly exactly the same 2nd encore as MSG2 and Philly2 for the most part. Disappointing. A lot of other tunes could have been played here.
To me, maybe a step above MSG2 from a setlist standpoint. But nothing to write home about.
this guy is a tough customer... you sure you don't write for pitchfork?
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They're already at a higher standard than other bands.
Right, and within that, they fell far below their own standard with that setlist.
Whose standard did they fall below? Certainly not their own. I don't think you know what the member's of the band standards are.
The standard they've set over the last 20+ years as a band that plays incredibly diverse setlists.
You mean the exaggerated expectation YOU have set for them to play 35 completely different songs two nights in a row? It's already been shown that the two MSG sets are not out of the norm as far as song differential compared to any other 2 night run.
opinion. nothing more. even if the numbers tell the real truth. sucks you didn't like the show. maybe skip them next time around.
No need to skip. I love this band and I've seen some great shows. Just because they have one off night doesn't mean I'll stop going. But we can give an honest assessment which is what I'm doing.
Surprising how close-minded some of you are to healthy criticism and an honest discussion of the songs the band plays at shows.
surprising how you don't seem to understand the difference between healthy criticism and an asinine statement like 'mailing it in' is.
And again, like I said - that setlist is mailed in - not the effort of how they actually played the songs.
except the percentages of unique songs in this MSG run varies very little from previous MSG runs. the facts don't support the argument you and others are making. at most you are talking 1 or 2 extra songs repeated but with more total overall songs played. no discernible differences today than previous MSG runs.
I'm also walking this back to the shows in Philly. And when you do that, there's really nothing unique about the show whatsoever. Don't get me wrong, a typical PJ show is a great concert. But I hold them to a higher standard than other bands.
Was any show really that unique to you? You didn't like the repeats between MSG 1 and 2, which is fine. But criticizing them for playing the same songs in 2 different cities is a bit over the top, no?
17 shows. 152 different songs played. Very, very few bands are doing that nowadays.
Surprising how close-minded some of you are to healthy criticism and an honest discussion of the songs the band plays at shows.
surprising how you don't seem to understand the difference between healthy criticism and an asinine statement like 'mailing it in' is.
And again, like I said - that setlist is mailed in - not the effort of how they actually played the songs.
except the percentages of unique songs in this MSG run varies very little from previous MSG runs. the facts don't support the argument you and others are making. at most you are talking 1 or 2 extra songs repeated but with more total overall songs played. no discernible differences today than previous MSG runs.
I'm also walking this back to the shows in Philly. And when you do that, there's really nothing unique about the show whatsoever. Don't get me wrong, a typical PJ show is a great concert. But I hold them to a higher standard than other bands.
Was any show really that unique to you? You didn't like the repeats between MSG 1 and 2, which is fine. But criticizing them for playing the same songs in 2 different cities is a bit over the top, no?
17 shows. 152 different songs played. Very, very few bands are doing that nowadays.
Criticizing Toronto 2 also lol. Ridiculous. Whatever. Stay home next time
Clearly you don't understand the concept behind a forum. Until they allow users to make comments like the OP did, and then self-lock it, the convo will carry on, and on, and on and on....
I won't let this thread die till I remind people that there were complaints following PJ20 about Chris Cornell having too much of a presence and two of the Temple of the Dog songs being repeated at the second show.
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I went to both philly and MSG 1 so I saw even more repeats then people who only went to night 1 and I was very happy with the show. I'm not trying to jump on you but if you only saw this one show, how could not be satisfied?
Nice to see RA get some love w/ I Am Mine/Cropduster/Green Disease. To me, overall, a nice first set. Not mind-blowing, I'd put it a notch or two over MSG2.
1st encore: Inside Job is under-played, so that's nice to see. Oceans is a relative rarity that's getting some love this tour, and can't go wrong with Breath. Disappointing again to see Porch in a 1st encore closing slot.
2nd encore: Nearly exactly the same 2nd encore as MSG2 and Philly2 for the most part. Disappointing. A lot of other tunes could have been played here.
To me, maybe a step above MSG2 from a setlist standpoint. But nothing to write home about.
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