That said....like I said above....peoples rights are being trampled on....while we complain about missing a concert, or while a worker complains about missing a day of work.
It's outrageous! How dare people want to feed their kids or pay their rent when a protest is on. Selfish fuckers, every one of them.
I think Buffet, Maynard & Brandi have the right idea. Cancelling shows will negatively affect a lot of people, and in most cases, probably not the ones to whom they ultimately want to express their disapproval. If they made the commitment to play the show, and they are physically capable of playing it, I think they should. I get the whole economic impact aspect of cancelling the show, however who will that affect the most? The immediate impact of their cancellation will be felt last by the people who make those laws.
I hope PJ plays, and does everything in their power to let people know how f'ed up the law is, and they won't be back to the state if things don't change. They could donate all the proceeds from the merch and / or ticket sales to organizations promoting a repeal of the law, and / or one dedicated to spreading awareness of LGBQT rights (or lack thereof).
I don't know what the right answer is, but I think bringing people together in the spirit of fun, love, good feelings and Rock & Roll would be a lot more conducive to change than passing over NC altogether.
So everyone saying PJ should cancel, please tell me how that will get the bill repealed?
The majority of PJ fans are against the bill. The cities of NC (Raleigh, Greensboro, Charlotte, Asheville) are already against the bill. The state legislature here, because of gerrymandering, is strongly in support of HB2 and the places where this kind of economic protest can make a difference are already against the law. Sure, we can vote out the governor but a new governor cannot change the bill on his own. Really, the change needs to come through the legal system where the bill is hopefully determined to be unconstitutional on the federal level and then hopefully win at the SC level.
As much as I appreciate Bruce, I think what he did was a bit of grandstanding or for PR. I saw that Bruce played Wisco, Arizona and Texas already this year. What about all the horrible voter ID laws in these states...or the women's health laws in Texas? What about the absurd stand your ground laws in Florida that allow something like Trayvon Martin to be killed legally? Seems quite hypocritical to me. If you really want to help change the law and fight for the LGBTA community, you can do what Joel McHale did here and donate all of your proceeds to the non profits that are fighting the bill. Sure, you bring in some tax revenue for the state but you are helping out those that are fighting it more. Also, you are not punishing all the fans and businesses (mostly who are against the law anyways).
Its easy for people to just say cancelling the show makes a bigger statement. In reality, it hardly pushes the dial. Playing the show and donating may not push the dial tremendously but it pushes it more without nearly anywhere close to the same negative ramifications.
I think Eddie and the boys can think for themselves on this one and not follow Bruce just because they love Bruce and respect his ideology. Play Raleigh. Make it a rally against the bill too. All the better.
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Canceling a show will not accomplish anything. How many people who are going to be at a Pearl Jam concert are going to be in opposition with the majority of what the bands believes, especially one as outspoken as PJ? Why didn't PJ refuse to play shows in the US when Bush was president? If you want to make a difference try to change people's minds, try to get people who believe like you do to become more active in government.
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and that's why they may play the show. They can turn it into a rally like environment.
That being said, if they choose not to do it, it also makes a big statement. And the fans that are put out, are still far better off than the people being oppressed.
So everyone saying PJ should cancel, please tell me how that will get the bill repealed?
It gets people angry enough to get the state legislators to change their opinion or they get voted out.
How about those who aren't NC residents and traveling to the show?
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Play the show. Have band/crew stay the night in VA if they had hotel rooms booked. Speak their views at the show. Eddie will have a bigger stage to speak from than any gay person being discriminated against ever would.
And screwing over good people who work at the arena is irresponsible. Like someone said these people have kids to feed and rent to pay. Most arent on salary.
The performers onstage get all the glory, but the show wouldn’t go on without the efforts of throngs of support people. For the past quarter-century, one of the best in the business was Raleigh resident Tim Quinlan - better-known as Skully - who died of a heart attack on Friday.
Skully left behind a wife and two young children. He would have turned 52 years old on April 20, the day his former employer Pearl Jam is scheduled to play Raleigh’s PNC Arena.
“Yeah, that was his birthday,” said Quinlan’s friend and onetime fellow roadie Jimmy Shoaf. “I’d just called him last week, we were gonna meet that day for lunch and go hang out with the crew. It’s a complete shock.”
Skully was the first roadie Pearl Jam ever hired and worked as a drum and guitar tech during the Seattle grunge band’s initial breakout period, when they went from nightclubs to stadiums almost overnight. He went on to work for other bands including Hootie & the Blowfish. In recent years, he worked for Live Nation at shows throughout the Carolinas.
Friday, Quinlan was at Raleigh’s Walnut Creek Amphitheater when he began suffering chest pains and called 911. But it was too late.
That night, Pearl Jam was in Florida playing the opening date of their North American tour. The band paid onstage tribute to Skully during one of the encores, with frontman Eddie Vedder talking about Skully’s efforts on the band’s behalf during “the first half, the tougher half.”
That served as an introduction to the elegiac “Light Years”:
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But now you’re gone, I haven’t figured out why
I’ve come up with riddles and jokes about war
I’ve figured out numbers and what they’re for
I’ve understood feelings and i’ve understood words
As a fan of Springsteen, I'm glad he canceled his show, I'm glad he stood up for something he believed in, and I'm glad he was willing to take a financial hit to show his support for people being discriminated against. Springsteen's decision didn't change the law, but it did bring more awareness to the law and the issue.
It made me proud to be a Springsteen fan.
As a fan of Pearl Jam, I'm interested to learn the band's decision about the NC show and read the band's public statement ... if they release one.
As a fan of Springsteen, I'm glad he canceled his show, I'm glad he stood up for something he believed in, and I'm glad he was willing to take a financial hit
Oh yeah that's a real big financial hit he's taking. Dude could probably buy North Carolina if he wanted to.
Plenty of these artists are rich, not all are taking a stand. Springsteen makes more money on this tour if he just kept his mouth shut. Bruce opted not to.
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Oh yeah that's a real big financial hit he's taking. Dude could probably buy North Carolina if he wanted to.
Bruce has stood up for the little guy his entire career.
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So everyone saying PJ should cancel, please tell me how that will get the bill repealed?
It gets people angry enough to get the state legislators to change their opinion or they get voted out.
So this statement shows you don't really understand the state legislature in NC. Charlotte was actually being very progressive by being pro-active and passing a law that benefits transgenders and then the state passed HB2 based on districts that are extremely red and where those candidates won by 90% of the vote often or even uncontested. We are looking at 2022 for this to change, when the lines get to be redrawn again. The people in those districts love the law and are not negatively impacted enough by the economic hits that these cancellations cause. Greensboro, Raleigh, Asheville, Charlotte are all heavily against HB2. But to repeal the law based on actions from the legislature requiring voting out current members is unattainable for majority of NC citizens as you can only vote in your district.
I'm going to the Against Me! show in Durham in May. For you non-North Carolinians, Durham is Raleigh's neighbor to the West.
Rich rock stars like Springsteen or Buffet or possibly Pearl Jam can posture, but I am curious to see how the band Against Me! reacts to the (discriminatory) HB2 law enacted in N.C. You know, seeing as the band's singer is transgender and their most recent album has the word "transgender" right in the title.
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I believe boycotts in opposition of legislation have worked very well in the past. Didn't Georgia or something withdraw a similar kind of proposal because some corporations said they'd boycott the state? I feel like Springsteen and Adams probably hope for other artists to get on board. If enough of them do that could have an effect, no? It's all about $$$$. Negative publicity isn't a non-issue either. FWIW, this issue has become a big news story in Canada. It's been on the morning and evening news 3 days in a row. That kind of attention means something IMO, no matter what government you're talking about (I don't mean Canadian attention, lol. I just mean, basically, that if it's got ongoing coverage here, then it means it's getting even more attention in the US). There would be 0% attention if either of the artists hadn't cancelled, and instead just blabbed about the issue on stage and got their fans to cheer ...
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I believe boycotts in opposition of legislation have worked very well in the past. Didn't Georgia or something withdraw a similar kind of proposal because some corporations said they'd boycott the state? I feel like Springsteen and Adams probably hope for other artists to get on board. If enough of them do that could have an effect, no? It's all about $$$$. Negative publicity isn't a non-issue either. FWIW, this issue has become a big news story in Canada. It's been on the morning and evening news 3 days in a row. That kind of attention means something IMO, no matter what government you're talking about (I don't mean Canadian attention, lol. I just mean, basically, that if it's got ongoing coverage here, then it means it's getting even more attention in the US). There would be 0% attention if either of the artists hadn't cancelled, and instead just blabbed about the issue on stage and got their fans to cheer ...
Georgia and Arizona withdrew the proposals for fear of loss of hosting the Super Bowl.
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Its a crummy move IMO. Punishes fans. Not the politicians and the 'evangelical' South.
Play the show. Say something outspoken there... and declare during the show that this is it until they fix this shit. Get out and vote
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I believe boycotts in opposition of legislation have worked very well in the past. Didn't Georgia or something withdraw a similar kind of proposal because some corporations said they'd boycott the state? I feel like Springsteen and Adams probably hope for other artists to get on board. If enough of them do that could have an effect, no? It's all about $$$$. Negative publicity isn't a non-issue either. FWIW, this issue has become a big news story in Canada. It's been on the morning and evening news 3 days in a row. That kind of attention means something IMO, no matter what government you're talking about (I don't mean Canadian attention, lol. I just mean, basically, that if it's got ongoing coverage here, then it means it's getting even more attention in the US). There would be 0% attention if either of the artists hadn't cancelled, and instead just blabbed about the issue on stage and got their fans to cheer ...
Georgia and Arizona withdrew the proposals for fear of loss of hosting the Super Bowl.
And I believe because several companies threatened to relocate our of the state. So there you go. Boycotts work.
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I get what Bruce is trying to do here, but I think MayDay10 is right: boycotting the show is not punishing local politicians; however, it is punishing local stagehands, waiters and bartenders at restaurants and bars around the arena, all arena workers, etc. I see it as, being a politically active band, they have platform to share their views. They should use the concert to shed some light on the matter, donate the money from the Vitalogy Health Fund to local groups and organizations who are fighting this hatred, and refuse to ever set foot into the state again if things don't change. Rally the masses to get out and vote.
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I hope PJ plays, and does everything in their power to let people know how f'ed up the law is, and they won't be back to the state if things don't change. They could donate all the proceeds from the merch and / or ticket sales to organizations promoting a repeal of the law, and / or one dedicated to spreading awareness of LGBQT rights (or lack thereof).
I don't know what the right answer is, but I think bringing people together in the spirit of fun, love, good feelings and Rock & Roll would be a lot more conducive to change than passing over NC altogether.
Just my $0.02.
The majority of PJ fans are against the bill. The cities of NC (Raleigh, Greensboro, Charlotte, Asheville) are already against the bill. The state legislature here, because of gerrymandering, is strongly in support of HB2 and the places where this kind of economic protest can make a difference are already against the law. Sure, we can vote out the governor but a new governor cannot change the bill on his own. Really, the change needs to come through the legal system where the bill is hopefully determined to be unconstitutional on the federal level and then hopefully win at the SC level.
As much as I appreciate Bruce, I think what he did was a bit of grandstanding or for PR. I saw that Bruce played Wisco, Arizona and Texas already this year. What about all the horrible voter ID laws in these states...or the women's health laws in Texas? What about the absurd stand your ground laws in Florida that allow something like Trayvon Martin to be killed legally? Seems quite hypocritical to me. If you really want to help change the law and fight for the LGBTA community, you can do what Joel McHale did here and donate all of your proceeds to the non profits that are fighting the bill. Sure, you bring in some tax revenue for the state but you are helping out those that are fighting it more. Also, you are not punishing all the fans and businesses (mostly who are against the law anyways).
Its easy for people to just say cancelling the show makes a bigger statement. In reality, it hardly pushes the dial. Playing the show and donating may not push the dial tremendously but it pushes it more without nearly anywhere close to the same negative ramifications.
I think Eddie and the boys can think for themselves on this one and not follow Bruce just because they love Bruce and respect his ideology. Play Raleigh. Make it a rally against the bill too. All the better.
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That being said, if they choose not to do it, it also makes a big statement. And the fans that are put out, are still far better off than the people being oppressed.
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And screwing over good people who work at the arena is irresponsible. Like someone said these people have kids to feed and rent to pay. Most arent on salary.
The performers onstage get all the glory, but the show wouldn’t go on without the efforts of throngs of support people. For the past quarter-century, one of the best in the business was Raleigh resident Tim Quinlan - better-known as Skully - who died of a heart attack on Friday.
Skully left behind a wife and two young children. He would have turned 52 years old on April 20, the day his former employer Pearl Jam is scheduled to play Raleigh’s PNC Arena.
“Yeah, that was his birthday,” said Quinlan’s friend and onetime fellow roadie Jimmy Shoaf. “I’d just called him last week, we were gonna meet that day for lunch and go hang out with the crew. It’s a complete shock.”
Skully was the first roadie Pearl Jam ever hired and worked as a drum and guitar tech during the Seattle grunge band’s initial breakout period, when they went from nightclubs to stadiums almost overnight. He went on to work for other bands including Hootie & the Blowfish. In recent years, he worked for Live Nation at shows throughout the Carolinas.
Friday, Quinlan was at Raleigh’s Walnut Creek Amphitheater when he began suffering chest pains and called 911. But it was too late.
That night, Pearl Jam was in Florida playing the opening date of their North American tour. The band paid onstage tribute to Skully during one of the encores, with frontman Eddie Vedder talking about Skully’s efforts on the band’s behalf during “the first half, the tougher half.”
That served as an introduction to the elegiac “Light Years”:
I undeciphered tricks at the bar
But now you’re gone, I haven’t figured out why
I’ve come up with riddles and jokes about war
I’ve figured out numbers and what they’re for
I’ve understood feelings and i’ve understood words
But how could you be taken away?...
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As a fan of Pearl Jam, I'm interested to learn the band's decision about the NC show and read the band's public statement ... if they release one.
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So this statement shows you don't really understand the state legislature in NC. Charlotte was actually being very progressive by being pro-active and passing a law that benefits transgenders and then the state passed HB2 based on districts that are extremely red and where those candidates won by 90% of the vote often or even uncontested. We are looking at 2022 for this to change, when the lines get to be redrawn again. The people in those districts love the law and are not negatively impacted enough by the economic hits that these cancellations cause. Greensboro, Raleigh, Asheville, Charlotte are all heavily against HB2. But to repeal the law based on actions from the legislature requiring voting out current members is unattainable for majority of NC citizens as you can only vote in your district.
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Rich rock stars like Springsteen or Buffet or possibly Pearl Jam can posture, but I am curious to see how the band Against Me! reacts to the (discriminatory) HB2 law enacted in N.C. You know, seeing as the band's singer is transgender and their most recent album has the word "transgender" right in the title.
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FWIW, this issue has become a big news story in Canada. It's been on the morning and evening news 3 days in a row. That kind of attention means something IMO, no matter what government you're talking about (I don't mean Canadian attention, lol. I just mean, basically, that if it's got ongoing coverage here, then it means it's getting even more attention in the US). There would be 0% attention if either of the artists hadn't cancelled, and instead just blabbed about the issue on stage and got their fans to cheer ...
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So there you go. Boycotts work.
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