Steeling this material mostly. but imagine living eternally. Even in heaven, torturous. There are relatives I don't want to see again. And going to hell to be with the devil? Well you're one of his, he wont torture you and he'll have all the hookers and blow. After living 2000 years you will need drugs and alcohol. And rock n roll. Think god will let you listen to PJ in heaven? Hell no. J Jeffries
as i imagined it as a child, in heaven there is no hate, there is no grudges, you are souls, not beholden to your past as a human. there is no "ah fuck, I can't stand this guy, how do I get out of this conversation?". only pure love and peace. sounds pretty awesome to me. but again, I don't believe it.
hell isn't for human-defined "bad things". those things bring you joy, so in hell (again, as I imagined it as a child), you do not get those things.
So in heaven you'd have these happy thoughts for ETERNITY. No grudges. No immoral thoughts. No BEER!?!? Would be utter hell. Fk like being a zombie.
Would love to get others opinions of eternal states in heaven and hell. No not well versed. Still working on reading more of the good book.
You know what would be funny if once these guys got up there to finally get those 70 virgins they find out that they're actually eternal virgins. Go to heaven, that's swell, how you like your living hell?
The men who carried out these attacks were politically educated out of the destruction of Iraq, the invasion of Afghanistan, the drone bombings in Pakistan and Yemen, the torture of Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib, and the colonization and occupation of Palestine. To make it shorter, they, mostly identify as Muslims, and they were horrified by the ideological war of the West against what it wrongfully calls “the Muslim world.” This is the main motivator behind the men of ISIS becoming killers. “Your wars, our deaths” became a slogan after the Paris attacks. It might not be totally accurate, and we definitely cannot simplify things, but there is a lot of truth in it.
Always blaming others and excusing away the why for the sick actions of these Islamic thug piece of shit assholes.
Lumping every squabble in the fucked up Muslim world together as a precursor.Well done.
Or we can just say fk it, let's not do a root cause analysis on why humans act the way they do and go full on war. Start draft and get our military going. Hell every young person has to serve. Then we can finish the job that Obummer screwed up after such a greet state of affairs president Bush left us in. Kill em. Let our god sort em out. Damn apologists with all that thinking and wimpy ness.
France auto accident deaths 760 Belgium auto accident deaths 161
You're sure working hard to make this event insignificant.
Perspective. Two people died in car accidents on my road in separate incidences in last week. No terrorists attacks.
Do you want to diminish terrorist attacks ? What is your point?
Of course not. Pointing out we need to keep real threat in perspective so we don't over react and make matters worse. Add our fear mongering politicians using these spectacular events to drum up votes and appetite for war and it's spoils.
You DONT want to diminish terrorist attacks?
Hell no. So much wrong as a supposedly civilized mammal to be killing each other. It's the patriotism and war mongering and over reaction of hate. Per my earlier thoughts to Anna.
It's the evil doer drilling for fear thing.
Ok I read her question differently as in diminish fequency. Its understood now .
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You people wanting to blame this on past are utterly lost. There is no excuse for any of this...none! What the hell did the people of Belgium do? The country hardly has a reputation for being an invading, murderous, empire of any sort. Blaming past events is essentially your ignorance of the fact that Islam has a serious problem with violence, and that has been shown over and over and over and over and over again.
You people wanting to blame this on past are utterly lost. There is no excuse for any of this...none! What the hell did the people of Belgium do? The country hardly has a reputation for being an invading, murderous, empire of any sort. Blaming past events is essentially your ignorance of the fact that Islam has a serious problem with violence, and that has been shown over and over and over and over and over again.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
You people wanting to blame this on past are utterly lost. There is no excuse for any of this...none! What the hell did the people of Belgium do? The country hardly has a reputation for being an invading, murderous, empire of any sort. Blaming past events is essentially your ignorance of the fact that Islam has a serious problem with violence, and that has been shown over and over and over and over and over again.
You went the easy route.
Hate, fear, abstain from critical thought.
Feels good to find an enemy and Hate them. USA YSA USA. Those bastards.
You people wanting to blame this on past are utterly lost. There is no excuse for any of this...none! What the hell did the people of Belgium do? The country hardly has a reputation for being an invading, murderous, empire of any sort. Blaming past events is essentially your ignorance of the fact that Islam has a serious problem with violence, and that has been shown over and over and over and over and over again.
King Leopold II, the Belgian Congo, Rwanda, NATO. Sounds like you know nothing about Belgium. It is not actually smart to ignore history. It is what shapes nations, cultures, beliefs. It is important to understand this and learn from it.
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Cal,actually a critique of an apologists views do not translate into Rally cry for war.No where have I gone the "nuke em,carpet bomb them route" that's not the answer IMO.
I am more of the opinion ,for change to take hold,change must take place where this terror breeds,in this case in the down trotted Muslim neighborhoods of Europe.It will take a community that has to date done a very poor job of calling out and reporting these extremists as they are coming up.Do they sympathize? Some yes I'm sure,but if the good,peaceful people living in those areas don't want their streets crawling with "white soldiers" then they best get busy taking care of policing themselves.
Cal,actually a critique of an apologists views do not translate into Rally cry for war.No where have I gone the "nuke em,carpet bomb them route" that's not the answer IMO.
I am more of the opinion ,for change to take hold,change must take place where this terror breeds,in this case in the down trotted Muslim neighborhoods of Europe.It will take a community that has to date done a very poor job of calling out and reporting these extremists as they are coming up.Do they sympathize? Some yes I'm sure,but if the good,peaceful people living in those areas don't want their streets crawling with "white soldiers" then they best get busy taking care of policing themselves.
Reason I added my last comment to let you know little tongue on cheek with a little embellishment for your entertainment.
Sure Muslims in these poor neighborhoods sympathize. If you happen to have born Muslim you'd be pissed RR. We're just so fortunate.
And not apologizing for terrorists actions. They are scum. And all those that hide them or help them lock em up for life. But what can we do? Yes arrest incarcerate. Use our intelligence and tools. Catch these fkers. But get our soldiers out of Middle East and let the oil go. We have plenty and can use dollars as leverage. As we are doing in Cuba and Iran. There are better ways. We can rise above. Oh shit that sounds religious.
You people wanting to blame this on past are utterly lost. There is no excuse for any of this...none! What the hell did the people of Belgium do? The country hardly has a reputation for being an invading, murderous, empire of any sort. Blaming past events is essentially your ignorance of the fact that Islam has a serious problem with violence, and that has been shown over and over and over and over and over again.
reasons and excuses are very different things. if you know anything about conflict, the way to be the victor is to understand your opponent. no one here is a fucking "apologist". that is just so lazy it's laughable.
the reason people think the rise of this current incarnation of terrorism is a direct result of transgressions by the US and its allies is because the timelines add up. and so the atrocities the US has perpetuated on that region for over a decade now.
islam has a serious problem with violence? really? if it did, with over a billion muslims in the world right now, we'd all have been blown to bits long ago.
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You people wanting to blame this on past are utterly lost. There is no excuse for any of this...none! What the hell did the people of Belgium do? The country hardly has a reputation for being an invading, murderous, empire of any sort. Blaming past events is essentially your ignorance of the fact that Islam has a serious problem with violence, and that has been shown over and over and over and over and over again.
King Leopold II, the Belgian Congo, Rwanda, NATO. Sounds like you know nothing about Belgium. It is not actually smart to ignore history. It is what shapes nations, cultures, beliefs. It is important to understand this and learn from it.
Is there any nation with a spotless past? Should innocent civilians bare the costs of things occurring hundreds of years ago?
You people wanting to blame this on past are utterly lost. There is no excuse for any of this...none! What the hell did the people of Belgium do? The country hardly has a reputation for being an invading, murderous, empire of any sort. Blaming past events is essentially your ignorance of the fact that Islam has a serious problem with violence, and that has been shown over and over and over and over and over again.
King Leopold II, the Belgian Congo, Rwanda, NATO. Sounds like you know nothing about Belgium. It is not actually smart to ignore history. It is what shapes nations, cultures, beliefs. It is important to understand this and learn from it.
Is there any nation with a spotless past? Should innocent civilians bare the costs of things occurring hundreds of years ago?
Apparently, while the root cause people figure this shit out.
You people wanting to blame this on past are utterly lost. There is no excuse for any of this...none! What the hell did the people of Belgium do? The country hardly has a reputation for being an invading, murderous, empire of any sort. Blaming past events is essentially your ignorance of the fact that Islam has a serious problem with violence, and that has been shown over and over and over and over and over again.
King Leopold II, the Belgian Congo, Rwanda, NATO. Sounds like you know nothing about Belgium. It is not actually smart to ignore history. It is what shapes nations, cultures, beliefs. It is important to understand this and learn from it.
Is there any nation with a spotless past? Should innocent civilians bare the costs of things occurring hundreds of years ago?
Apparently, while the root cause people figure this shit out.
Oh it's figured out already. Just many can't see how they are being fooled due to hate vision. Trying to expand thought process. Though the animalistic fight mode js over bearing instinct.
You people wanting to blame this on past are utterly lost. There is no excuse for any of this...none! What the hell did the people of Belgium do? The country hardly has a reputation for being an invading, murderous, empire of any sort. Blaming past events is essentially your ignorance of the fact that Islam has a serious problem with violence, and that has been shown over and over and over and over and over again.
King Leopold II, the Belgian Congo, Rwanda, NATO. Sounds like you know nothing about Belgium. It is not actually smart to ignore history. It is what shapes nations, cultures, beliefs. It is important to understand this and learn from it.
Is there any nation with a spotless past? Should innocent civilians bare the costs of things occurring hundreds of years ago?
Apparently, while the root cause people figure this shit out.
Oh it's figured out already. Just many can't see how they are being fooled due to hate vision. Trying to expand thought process. Though the animalistic fight mode js over bearing instinct.
Follow the life path down of a terrorist and you will find one thing for certain. The day that person was taught to hate a particular cause and be willing to give their life to that hate.
It amazes me that the United States can and does spend hundreds of billions of dollars on a military industrial complex to fight these terrorists yet they continue sit on their hands when it comes to gun violence. All things told, terrorism isn't really a big issue in North America yet we always hear about it and how the world needs to act. If the US put all of that money and effort into solving its own problems instead of intervening in the affairs of foreign states you would think that it would be an infinitely better nation for it.
Here's a simple idea when it comes to terrorism; respect the victims; condemn the terrorists and recognize that the overwhelming majority of Muslims aren't terrorists or killers. That's it. Spending billions bombing the snot out of the Middle East isn't going to do anything for you unless you're an executive for an weapons manufacturer. It's simply money that would be better spent elsewhere.
You people wanting to blame this on past are utterly lost. There is no excuse for any of this...none! What the hell did the people of Belgium do? The country hardly has a reputation for being an invading, murderous, empire of any sort. Blaming past events is essentially your ignorance of the fact that Islam has a serious problem with violence, and that has been shown over and over and over and over and over again.
King Leopold II, the Belgian Congo, Rwanda, NATO. Sounds like you know nothing about Belgium. It is not actually smart to ignore history. It is what shapes nations, cultures, beliefs. It is important to understand this and learn from it.
Is there any nation with a spotless past? Should innocent civilians bare the costs of things occurring hundreds of years ago?
not 100 years ago ... like last week or the last month or tomorrow ...
until people realize what western influence in the middle east has caused - we'll continue to be in this perpetual cycle ...
just realize that however many innocent civilians you want to total in these "terrorist" attacks - they are at least tenfold in places like Iraq and Afghanistan now ... every day is a terrorist attack in these places ...
It amazes me that the United States can and does spend hundreds of billions of dollars on a military industrial complex to fight these terrorists yet they continue sit on their hands when it comes to gun violence. All things told, terrorism isn't really a big issue in North America yet we always hear about it and how the world needs to act. If the US put all of that money and effort into solving its own problems instead of intervening in the affairs of foreign states you would think that it would be an infinitely better nation for it.
Here's a simple idea when it comes to terrorism; respect the victims; condemn the terrorists and recognize that the overwhelming majority of Muslims aren't terrorists or killers. That's it. Spending billions bombing the snot out of the Middle East isn't going to do anything for you unless you're an executive for an weapons manufacturer. It's simply money that would be better spent elsewhere.
It amazes me that the United States can and does spend hundreds of billions of dollars on a military industrial complex to fight these terrorists yet they continue sit on their hands when it comes to gun violence. All things told, terrorism isn't really a big issue in North America yet we always hear about it and how the world needs to act. If the US put all of that money and effort into solving its own problems instead of intervening in the affairs of foreign states you would think that it would be an infinitely better nation for it.
Here's a simple idea when it comes to terrorism; respect the victims; condemn the terrorists and recognize that the overwhelming majority of Muslims aren't terrorists or killers. That's it. Spending billions bombing the snot out of the Middle East isn't going to do anything for you unless you're an executive for an weapons manufacturer. It's simply money that would be better spent elsewhere.
Add clapping emojy thing here.
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"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
It amazes me that the United States can and does spend hundreds of billions of dollars on a military industrial complex to fight these terrorists yet they continue sit on their hands when it comes to gun violence. All things told, terrorism isn't really a big issue in North America yet we always hear about it and how the world needs to act. If the US put all of that money and effort into solving its own problems instead of intervening in the affairs of foreign states you would think that it would be an infinitely better nation for it.
Here's a simple idea when it comes to terrorism; respect the victims; condemn the terrorists and recognize that the overwhelming majority of Muslims aren't terrorists or killers. That's it. Spending billions bombing the snot out of the Middle East isn't going to do anything for you unless you're an executive for an weapons manufacturer. It's simply money that would be better spent elsewhere.
It's not yet because it's over "there". Come on, what will you be saying when the next thread on AMT reads "(insert USA city here) rocked by 3 bombers, mass casualties ISIS claims it. How many more incidents like these will it take to make people open their eyes and say wow we have a major problem here. Sitting back and watching the news about others getting blown to bits in the name of wahochocolate bar and not saying there is a problem is not respecting the victims.
I'm sure he will have something Provacative to say. It's no wonder The Donald doesn't have to spend much money on political ads....we the people keep him in the news. There's at least 5 threads on this board with his name in it.
I've been through that metro system in Brussels on my way to a festival in Werchter. I hope the Belgium people will recover from this attack.
Peace
And yet some of you geniuses mention his name again as these horrid terrorist events are unfolding, un-fucken-real. God bless the victims and families of those lost by another ISLAMIC TERRORIST attack.
Okay okay okay one thing is very clear, god did not bless the victims. He allowed them to be torn to bits, maimed and mentally fucked.
And yes Trump comes up because the terrorists harbor same hate that draws humans to trump. Trump will now use this to keep the cycle going.
Finally it's religious terrorism not Muslim terrorism. Yeah same as the Christians wanting to bomb shit out of Muslims. Same exact mentality. Look in the mirror. You are them.
Agreed...
Did anyone suggest patrolling Christian neighborhoods when McVeigh blew up the building in OK City?
God either doesn't give a shit that people get blown up or he doesn't exist. Pick one.
There's also the third option that a god doesn't intervene. Omniscience does not necessitate interventionism. Though maybe those were a few problems with Bush: he loved his god, thought himself omniscient and made in his god's image, and therefore was in favour of interventionism!
not intervening = not giving a shit
Yup. God must be a real asshat. He either causes this shit, or lets it happen. So if "he" exists, he should be ashamed of himself.
It's comical the arguments you get from bible thumpers about such an assertion: free will and choice has been given to us.
You'd think that if we were God's creation... he'd have a bit more of an investment in us than what he displays. I'm not saying completely 'hands on' like Mark Cuban... but like maybe an appearance or two... or maybe even a miracle or something people could re-establish their faith with.
He just sits there and watches everyone? Boring.
* And if he's sitting there watching everyone... when does he find time to chill out with all the souls in Heaven?
Steeling this material mostly. but imagine living eternally. Even in heaven, torturous. There are relatives I don't want to see again. And going to hell to be with the devil? Well you're one of his, he wont torture you and he'll have all the hookers and blow. After living 2000 years you will need drugs and alcohol. And rock n roll. Think god will let you listen to PJ in heaven? Hell no. J Jeffries
I've always wondered what happens in heaven given the following scenario:
Let's say you and your wife have what she considers a trusting relationship. On the side you are getting it on with some other babe and you are telling the babe that your plan is to leave your wife.
You die in an auto accident. Maybe on the way home to see your wife, maybe on the way to see the babe....detail doesn't matter at this point.
Fast forward 30 years to when both babe and wife die and join you in heaven.
1. Is there a jealousy triangle? 2. If wife finds you hanging with babe in heaven....what happens? Is there spousal abuse in heaven?
I'm curious how the bible reconciles this situation.
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I'm sure he will have something Provacative to say. It's no wonder The Donald doesn't have to spend much money on political ads....we the people keep him in the news. There's at least 5 threads on this board with his name in it.
I've been through that metro system in Brussels on my way to a festival in Werchter. I hope the Belgium people will recover from this attack.
Peace
And yet some of you geniuses mention his name again as these horrid terrorist events are unfolding, un-fucken-real. God bless the victims and families of those lost by another ISLAMIC TERRORIST attack.
Okay okay okay one thing is very clear, god did not bless the victims. He allowed them to be torn to bits, maimed and mentally fucked.
And yes Trump comes up because the terrorists harbor same hate that draws humans to trump. Trump will now use this to keep the cycle going.
Finally it's religious terrorism not Muslim terrorism. Yeah same as the Christians wanting to bomb shit out of Muslims. Same exact mentality. Look in the mirror. You are them.
Agreed...
Did anyone suggest patrolling Christian neighborhoods when McVeigh blew up the building in OK City?
God either doesn't give a shit that people get blown up or he doesn't exist. Pick one.
There's also the third option that a god doesn't intervene. Omniscience does not necessitate interventionism. Though maybe those were a few problems with Bush: he loved his god, thought himself omniscient and made in his god's image, and therefore was in favour of interventionism!
not intervening = not giving a shit
Yup. God must be a real asshat. He either causes this shit, or lets it happen. So if "he" exists, he should be ashamed of himself.
It's comical the arguments you get from bible thumpers about such an assertion: free will and choice has been given to us.
You'd think that if we were God's creation... he'd have a bit more of an investment in us than what he displays. I'm not saying completely 'hands on' like Mark Cuban... but like maybe an appearance or two... or maybe even a miracle or something people could re-establish their faith with.
He just sits there and watches everyone? Boring.
* And if he's sitting there watching everyone... when does he find time to chill out with all the souls in Heaven?
Steeling this material mostly. but imagine living eternally. Even in heaven, torturous. There are relatives I don't want to see again. And going to hell to be with the devil? Well you're one of his, he wont torture you and he'll have all the hookers and blow. After living 2000 years you will need drugs and alcohol. And rock n roll. Think god will let you listen to PJ in heaven? Hell no. J Jeffries
I've always wondered what happens in heaven given the following scenario:
Let's say you and your wife have what she considers a trusting relationship. On the side you are getting it on with some other babe and you are telling the babe that your plan is to leave your wife.
You die in an auto accident. Maybe on the way home to see your wife, maybe on the way to see the babe....detail doesn't matter at this point.
Fast forward 30 years to when both babe and wife die and join you in heaven.
1. Is there a jealousy triangle? 2. If wife finds you hanging with babe in heaven....what happens? Is there spousal abuse in heaven?
I'm curious how the bible reconciles this situation.
Your going to hell along with your GF. Well if she knew you were married. Hmmmmm but what if she didn't and you went to hell and they went to heaven. Well ..........wait hell would end up like being in heaven as they'd be dookin it out in heaven. You would miss all that drama. And you'd get the sex drugs alcohol and rock n roll in hell.
I'm sure he will have something Provacative to say. It's no wonder The Donald doesn't have to spend much money on political ads....we the people keep him in the news. There's at least 5 threads on this board with his name in it.
I've been through that metro system in Brussels on my way to a festival in Werchter. I hope the Belgium people will recover from this attack.
Peace
And yet some of you geniuses mention his name again as these horrid terrorist events are unfolding, un-fucken-real. God bless the victims and families of those lost by another ISLAMIC TERRORIST attack.
Okay okay okay one thing is very clear, god did not bless the victims. He allowed them to be torn to bits, maimed and mentally fucked.
And yes Trump comes up because the terrorists harbor same hate that draws humans to trump. Trump will now use this to keep the cycle going.
Finally it's religious terrorism not Muslim terrorism. Yeah same as the Christians wanting to bomb shit out of Muslims. Same exact mentality. Look in the mirror. You are them.
Agreed...
Did anyone suggest patrolling Christian neighborhoods when McVeigh blew up the building in OK City?
God either doesn't give a shit that people get blown up or he doesn't exist. Pick one.
There's also the third option that a god doesn't intervene. Omniscience does not necessitate interventionism. Though maybe those were a few problems with Bush: he loved his god, thought himself omniscient and made in his god's image, and therefore was in favour of interventionism!
not intervening = not giving a shit
Yup. God must be a real asshat. He either causes this shit, or lets it happen. So if "he" exists, he should be ashamed of himself.
It's comical the arguments you get from bible thumpers about such an assertion: free will and choice has been given to us.
You'd think that if we were God's creation... he'd have a bit more of an investment in us than what he displays. I'm not saying completely 'hands on' like Mark Cuban... but like maybe an appearance or two... or maybe even a miracle or something people could re-establish their faith with.
He just sits there and watches everyone? Boring.
* And if he's sitting there watching everyone... when does he find time to chill out with all the souls in Heaven?
Steeling this material mostly. but imagine living eternally. Even in heaven, torturous. There are relatives I don't want to see again. And going to hell to be with the devil? Well you're one of his, he wont torture you and he'll have all the hookers and blow. After living 2000 years you will need drugs and alcohol. And rock n roll. Think god will let you listen to PJ in heaven? Hell no. J Jeffries
I've always wondered what happens in heaven given the following scenario:
Let's say you and your wife have what she considers a trusting relationship. On the side you are getting it on with some other babe and you are telling the babe that your plan is to leave your wife.
You die in an auto accident. Maybe on the way home to see your wife, maybe on the way to see the babe....detail doesn't matter at this point.
Fast forward 30 years to when both babe and wife die and join you in heaven.
1. Is there a jealousy triangle? 2. If wife finds you hanging with babe in heaven....what happens? Is there spousal abuse in heaven?
I'm curious how the bible reconciles this situation.
Your going to hell along with your GF. Well if she knew you were married. Hmmmmm but what if she didn't and you went to hell and they went to heaven. Well ..........wait hell would end up like being in heaven as they'd be dookin it out in heaven. You would miss all that drama. And you'd get the sex drugs alcohol and rock n roll in hell.
yeah if you went to hell then your wife would show up in heaven and wonder where you were....not quite heaven from her perspective right?
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You people wanting to blame this on past are utterly lost. There is no excuse for any of this...none! What the hell did the people of Belgium do? The country hardly has a reputation for being an invading, murderous, empire of any sort. Blaming past events is essentially your ignorance of the fact that Islam has a serious problem with violence, and that has been shown over and over and over and over and over again.
Home to NATO.
and brussels sprouts. people have historically hated those things.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
It amazes me that the United States can and does spend hundreds of billions of dollars on a military industrial complex to fight these terrorists yet they continue sit on their hands when it comes to gun violence. All things told, terrorism isn't really a big issue in North America yet we always hear about it and how the world needs to act. If the US put all of that money and effort into solving its own problems instead of intervening in the affairs of foreign states you would think that it would be an infinitely better nation for it.
Here's a simple idea when it comes to terrorism; respect the victims; condemn the terrorists and recognize that the overwhelming majority of Muslims aren't terrorists or killers. That's it. Spending billions bombing the snot out of the Middle East isn't going to do anything for you unless you're an executive for an weapons manufacturer. It's simply money that would be better spent elsewhere.
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it is funny that we feel the need to get involved in terrorism half a world away. we are told how big of a problem it is and whatnot. i get criticized all the time for saying isis is not our problem and we need to stay out of it.
someone shoots 20 people here in the us and we are told to shut up because it is all part of living in america.
does anyone see the faulty logic there?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
for all the "we need to do something about the terrorists" folk on here, serious question:
what is the solution to stopping these attacks?
I don't know the immediate solution but for now a reactionary stance is all we can be in for now. We all know there will be another incident coming so in the meantime we need to react to this recent one with force and one thing in mind - obliterate all people who share the same ideology as the ones who did this.
Doesn't matter theories on why certain groups exist - it has reached the point where the makers can no longer be controlled. We are watching each other get killed but no one wants to war these thugs out.
edit - Of course you could elect trump and see what happens.
advocating murder on a pearl jam forum. nice.
sounds like something one of them turrists would say.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
It amazes me that the United States can and does spend hundreds of billions of dollars on a military industrial complex to fight these terrorists yet they continue sit on their hands when it comes to gun violence. All things told, terrorism isn't really a big issue in North America yet we always hear about it and how the world needs to act. If the US put all of that money and effort into solving its own problems instead of intervening in the affairs of foreign states you would think that it would be an infinitely better nation for it.
Here's a simple idea when it comes to terrorism; respect the victims; condemn the terrorists and recognize that the overwhelming majority of Muslims aren't terrorists or killers. That's it. Spending billions bombing the snot out of the Middle East isn't going to do anything for you unless you're an executive for an weapons manufacturer. It's simply money that would be better spent elsewhere.
Add clapping emojy thing here.
motion seconded.
here here!
it is funny that we feel the need to get involved in terrorism half a world away. we are told how big of a problem it is and whatnot. i get criticized all the time for saying isis is not our problem and we need to stay out of it.
someone shoots 20 people here in the us and we are told to shut up because it is all part of living in america.
does anyone see the faulty logic there?
Yes.they are two different(but horrible) issues. And Americans were directly targeted in that attack so it IS our issue.
for all the "we need to do something about the terrorists" folk on here, serious question:
what is the solution to stopping these attacks?
I don't know the immediate solution but for now a reactionary stance is all we can be in for now. We all know there will be another incident coming so in the meantime we need to react to this recent one with force and one thing in mind - obliterate all people who share the same ideology as the ones who did this.
Doesn't matter theories on why certain groups exist - it has reached the point where the makers can no longer be controlled. We are watching each other get killed but no one wants to war these thugs out.
edit - Of course you could elect trump and see what happens.
advocating murder on a pearl jam forum. nice.
sounds like something one of them turrists would say.
for all the "we need to do something about the terrorists" folk on here, serious question:
what is the solution to stopping these attacks?
I don't know the immediate solution but for now a reactionary stance is all we can be in for now. We all know there will be another incident coming so in the meantime we need to react to this recent one with force and one thing in mind - obliterate all people who share the same ideology as the ones who did this.
Doesn't matter theories on why certain groups exist - it has reached the point where the makers can no longer be controlled. We are watching each other get killed but no one wants to war these thugs out.
edit - Of course you could elect trump and see what happens.
advocating murder on a pearl jam forum. nice.
sounds like something one of them turrists would say.
cmon, really?
yep.
your words.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
It amazes me that the United States can and does spend hundreds of billions of dollars on a military industrial complex to fight these terrorists yet they continue sit on their hands when it comes to gun violence. All things told, terrorism isn't really a big issue in North America yet we always hear about it and how the world needs to act. If the US put all of that money and effort into solving its own problems instead of intervening in the affairs of foreign states you would think that it would be an infinitely better nation for it.
Here's a simple idea when it comes to terrorism; respect the victims; condemn the terrorists and recognize that the overwhelming majority of Muslims aren't terrorists or killers. That's it. Spending billions bombing the snot out of the Middle East isn't going to do anything for you unless you're an executive for an weapons manufacturer. It's simply money that would be better spent elsewhere.
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motion seconded.
here here!
it is funny that we feel the need to get involved in terrorism half a world away. we are told how big of a problem it is and whatnot. i get criticized all the time for saying isis is not our problem and we need to stay out of it.
someone shoots 20 people here in the us and we are told to shut up because it is all part of living in america.
does anyone see the faulty logic there?
Yes.they are two different(but horrible) issues. And Americans were directly targeted in that attack so it IS our issue.
so go fight.
you can't want smaller government and less spending AND be world police at the same time.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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Yes over the top for you RR.
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Hate, fear, abstain from critical thought.
Feels good to find an enemy and Hate them. USA YSA USA. Those bastards.
It is not actually smart to ignore history. It is what shapes nations, cultures, beliefs. It is important to understand this and learn from it.
I am more of the opinion ,for change to take hold,change must take place where this terror breeds,in this case in the down trotted Muslim neighborhoods of Europe.It will take a community that has to date done a very poor job of calling out and reporting these extremists as they are coming up.Do they sympathize? Some yes I'm sure,but if the good,peaceful people living in those areas don't want their streets crawling with "white soldiers" then they best get busy taking care of policing themselves.
Sure Muslims in these poor neighborhoods sympathize. If you happen to have born Muslim you'd be pissed RR. We're just so fortunate.
And not apologizing for terrorists actions. They are scum. And all those that hide them or help them lock em up for life. But what can we do? Yes arrest incarcerate. Use our intelligence and tools. Catch these fkers. But get our soldiers out of Middle East and let the oil go. We have plenty and can use dollars as leverage. As we are doing in Cuba and Iran. There are better ways. We can rise above. Oh shit that sounds religious.
the reason people think the rise of this current incarnation of terrorism is a direct result of transgressions by the US and its allies is because the timelines add up. and so the atrocities the US has perpetuated on that region for over a decade now.
islam has a serious problem with violence? really? if it did, with over a billion muslims in the world right now, we'd all have been blown to bits long ago.
-EV 8/14/93
Here's a simple idea when it comes to terrorism; respect the victims; condemn the terrorists and recognize that the overwhelming majority of Muslims aren't terrorists or killers. That's it. Spending billions bombing the snot out of the Middle East isn't going to do anything for you unless you're an executive for an weapons manufacturer. It's simply money that would be better spent elsewhere.
until people realize what western influence in the middle east has caused - we'll continue to be in this perpetual cycle ...
just realize that however many innocent civilians you want to total in these "terrorist" attacks - they are at least tenfold in places like Iraq and Afghanistan now ... every day is a terrorist attack in these places ...
https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2016/02/18/us-airstrikes-afghanistan-killing-civilians-greatest-rate-seven-years-new-figures-show/
-EV 8/14/93
Come on, what will you be saying when the next thread on AMT reads "(insert USA city here) rocked by 3 bombers, mass casualties ISIS claims it.
How many more incidents like these will it take to make people open their eyes and say wow we have a major problem here.
Sitting back and watching the news about others getting blown to bits in the name of wahochocolate bar and not saying there is a problem is not respecting the victims.
Let's say you and your wife have what she considers a trusting relationship. On the side you are getting it on with some other babe and you are telling the babe that your plan is to leave your wife.
You die in an auto accident. Maybe on the way home to see your wife, maybe on the way to see the babe....detail doesn't matter at this point.
Fast forward 30 years to when both babe and wife die and join you in heaven.
1. Is there a jealousy triangle?
2. If wife finds you hanging with babe in heaven....what happens? Is there spousal abuse in heaven?
I'm curious how the bible reconciles this situation.
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
it is funny that we feel the need to get involved in terrorism half a world away. we are told how big of a problem it is and whatnot. i get criticized all the time for saying isis is not our problem and we need to stay out of it.
someone shoots 20 people here in the us and we are told to shut up because it is all part of living in america.
does anyone see the faulty logic there?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
sounds like something one of them turrists would say.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
And Americans were directly targeted in that attack so it IS our issue.
your words.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
you can't want smaller government and less spending AND be world police at the same time.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."