Trump's rally in Chicago stopped due to protests

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Pearl34Jam said:

brianlux said:

Pearl34Jam said:

brianlux said:

Pearl34Jam said:

rustneversleeps said:

Pearl34Jam said:

josevolution said:

Protester was beat up today !

They shouldn't have protested.

this is almost as comical as "the silent majority" badge

If you don't support someone or something, then don't show up. You should go to an event that you do support. Not disrupt an event like a child and not expect to get popped in the face.

I don't think it's a matter of people protesting Trump simply because they do not support him. It's more about people objecting to having a racist neo-nazi promote hate, violence and racism. It's the same reason why we protested the war Viet Nam and help bring an end to that travesty. What Trump stands for and promotes is a travesty and many Americans find it abhorrent that so many give support to that. Protest against that is a reasonable, justifiable reaction.

And our "very active" President Obama doesn't divide the country? Why does he not ask groups such as the Black Lives Matter group to be peaceful? Why does he not refer to ISIS as terrorists? And how about him saying that Conservatives cling to their guns and religion?

He's completely divided the country and hasn't been able to control the violence and anger. We need someone that will bring about peace and (that familiar word) CHANGE for the better of our country.

How did Obama become part of this conversation all of the sudden? And how did it veer into the subject of a divided nation? You lost me.

If you'd look at the comment I quoted, you'd see that the person said that Trump would promote hate and violence. So I pointed out that our current President has been doing that since 2008. Just adding on to the conversation.

Fox News watcher?

josevolution

Pearl34Jam said:

brianlux said:

Pearl34Jam said:

brianlux said:

Pearl34Jam said:

rustneversleeps said:

Pearl34Jam said:

josevolution said:

Protester was beat up today !

They shouldn't have protested.

this is almost as comical as "the silent majority" badge

If you don't support someone or something, then don't show up. You should go to an event that you do support. Not disrupt an event like a child and not expect to get popped in the face.

I don't think it's a matter of people protesting Trump simply because they do not support him. It's more about people objecting to having a racist neo-nazi promote hate, violence and racism. It's the same reason why we protested the war Viet Nam and help bring an end to that travesty. What Trump stands for and promotes is a travesty and many Americans find it abhorrent that so many give support to that. Protest against that is a reasonable, justifiable reaction.

And our "very active" President Obama doesn't divide the country? Why does he not ask groups such as the Black Lives Matter group to be peaceful? Why does he not refer to ISIS as terrorists? And how about him saying that Conservatives cling to their guns and religion?

He's completely divided the country and hasn't been able to control the violence and anger. We need someone that will bring about peace and (that familiar word) CHANGE for the better of our country.

How did Obama become part of this conversation all of the sudden? And how did it veer into the subject of a divided nation? You lost me.

If you'd look at the comment I quoted, you'd see that the person said that Trump would promote hate and violence. So I pointed out that our current President has been doing that since 2008. Just adding on to the conversation.

So Obama is to blame correct ?

brianlux

Pearl34Jam said:

brianlux said:

Pearl34Jam said:

brianlux said:

Pearl34Jam said:

rustneversleeps said:

Pearl34Jam said:

josevolution said:

Protester was beat up today !

They shouldn't have protested.

this is almost as comical as "the silent majority" badge

If you don't support someone or something, then don't show up. You should go to an event that you do support. Not disrupt an event like a child and not expect to get popped in the face.

I don't think it's a matter of people protesting Trump simply because they do not support him. It's more about people objecting to having a racist neo-nazi promote hate, violence and racism. It's the same reason why we protested the war Viet Nam and help bring an end to that travesty. What Trump stands for and promotes is a travesty and many Americans find it abhorrent that so many give support to that. Protest against that is a reasonable, justifiable reaction.

And our "very active" President Obama doesn't divide the country? Why does he not ask groups such as the Black Lives Matter group to be peaceful? Why does he not refer to ISIS as terrorists? And how about him saying that Conservatives cling to their guns and religion?

He's completely divided the country and hasn't been able to control the violence and anger. We need someone that will bring about peace and (that familiar word) CHANGE for the better of our country.

How did Obama become part of this conversation all of the sudden? And how did it veer into the subject of a divided nation? You lost me.

If you'd look at the comment I quoted, you'd see that the person said that Trump would promote hate and violence. So I pointed out that our current President has been doing that since 2008. Just adding on to the conversation.

Not seeing where you get "dividing the country" from that but I believe you.

Never-the-less, I think you're talking apples and oranges. Obama did nothing to add to divisions in the country that weren't already there. As for Trump, the only thing he is dividing is his own part. But as I've alluded to elsewhere, I suspect this is a ruse and Republican Party members are the butt of the joke.

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Divisions in this country have been caused by citizens and lawmakers who see others who may be different as a threat more than anything else.

PJfanwillneverleave1

Sanders did it.
It's all his fault!
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/cruz-trump-nomination-race-1.3488553

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People of color and other minorities don't divide. It's the majority that feels threatened by the minority that's causing division overall.

...and bringing that hate and letting it escalate. Just look at the supporters at these Trump rallies. Who's starting the violence? Who's egging it on? Not Obama.

BS44325

brianlux said:

ckravitz said:

brianlux said:

myoung321 said:

If I were going to a website that has a MAJORITY of members that were Conservatives, then started baiting threads everyday, that I knew were going to create arguments, I would hope to begin to think just maybe I needed to rethink my need for attention.

I've asked the same questions you've asked a couple of times. myyoung, and never really gotten much a fix on it. Odd as it may seem, there are some very conservative people who enjoy the music made by a band that has been outspokenly liberal in their viewpoints. I sometimes wonder if there are very liberal minded folks who still listen to Ted Nugent. Yes, very perplexing.

Is it really perplexing? With all due respect this can be seen as making inferences towards the old "you're with us or you're against us" mentality. Perhaps people find solace in Pearl Jam's art in ways that transcend political views. You can care deeply about people/things despite not seeing eye to eye on things political. There's a lot more to life than that! I know you know this so please don't read this as uppity or preachy but this line of discussion has come up before and it kind of comes across as exclusionary. Beyond the band preaching any type of hatred (which they obviously don't) I don't see why people of all backgrounds, opinions, etc., can't find something from them. I think it is pretty awesome that people enjoy the band despite having differing opinions and coming from different walks of life.

What do you think the band members would say if asked whether they think it's cool to question fandom based purely on political views? Beyond basic human rights stuff, politics are but a small picture of what someone is and I think they know this (but who knows, maybe I'm wrong).

I'm not saying that people who are highly conservative should not be Pearl Jam fans. I never said that. I just find it odd. It's not like the band's liberal/progressive attributes are like their clothes of hair cuts which have changed numerous times during their career. Those progressive elements have been an integral part of they band all along. So yeah, it is perplexing... to me at least. But do I think conservatives should not be allowed to be fans? Of course they can.

C'mon Brian...you know I'm one of these conservative fans. It is not odd at all. I always say...I like left wing music and right wing literature. I may not agree with Pearl Jam on many political issues but I absolutely love their passion. Music should be about love, introspection, idealism and expression of thought...any thought... and it only works when the artist is honest with who he or she is. Pearl Jam does this better then anyone and as a real conservative I will defend their or any progressives artist ability to speak even when it offends. Take Bushleaguer for example...it is the complete opposite from my thoughts on Bush but I actually think it is fantastic both as a "protest" song and as a straight-up art piece when the Bush mask is worn. This shouldn't be "perplexing" to you. Conservatives don't need "safe spaces" or "trigger warnings". We don't see opposing view points as "hate speech" and can actually respect those view points and even enjoy them when they are delivered intelligently. Don't be perplexed man.

Gern Blansten

PJfanwillneverleave1

^^^
If people posted that with Hilary instead of trump AMT would explode.

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Very informative.

Dog whistle politics: when politicians use coded language they defend as benign but is intended to provoke strong emotional responses in their target audience.

https://www.facebook.com/moveon/videos/10153314233365493/

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PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
If people posted that with Hilary instead of trump AMT would explode.

Disagree

Gern Blansten

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
If people posted that with Hilary instead of trump AMT would explode.

Actually I don't think any of us would give two shits...we've dealt with the garbage about Obama for eight years. We're numb to it.

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Statement from Bernie Sanders

https://berniesanders.com/press-release/sanders-statement-donald-trump/

“As is the case virtually every day, Donald Trump is showing the American people that he is a pathological liar. Obviously, while I appreciate that we had supporters at Trump’s rally in Chicago, our campaign did not organize the protests.

“What caused the protests at Trump’s rally is a candidate that has promoted hatred and division against Latinos, Muslims, women, and people with disabilities, and his birther attacks against the legitimacy of President Obama.

“What caused the violence at Trump’s rally is a campaign whose words and actions have encouraged it on the part of his supporters. He recently said of a protester, ‘I want to punch him in the face.’ Another time Trump yearned for the old days when the protester would have been punched and “carried out on a stretcher.’ Then just a few days ago a female reporter apparently was assaulted by his campaign manager.

“When that is what the Trump campaign is doing, we should not be surprised that there is a response.

“What Donald Trump must do now is stop provoking violence and make it clear to his supporters that people who attend his rallies or protest should not be assaulted, should not be punched, should not be kicked. In America people have a right to attend a political rally without fear of physical harm.”

Gern Blansten

Trump got Berned

rustneversleeps

what could that facial expression be a reaction to? who reacts to anything that way, other than Charles manson? shit gets funnier by the minute. the clips are almost identical.

BS44325

This is a great summation by Rubio. He just nails it on the all around sad state of political discourse.

https://youtu.be/ztdzg5kssXk

PJfanwillneverleave1

^^^
He makes some good points.
However when he says "this is what happens when people go around saying whatever they want".
I think you should be able to say whatever you want all the time and if others don't like it then they have a choice of removing themselves from the rhetoric atmosphere all together. It is healthy to speak your mind. If it lands you in trouble well that's the way the cookie crumbles.

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PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
He makes some good points.
However when he says "this is what happens when people go around saying whatever they want".
I think you should be able to say whatever you want all the time and if others don't like it then they have a choice of removing themselves from the rhetoric atmosphere all together. It is healthy to speak your mind. If it lands you in trouble well that's the way the cookie crumbles.

So hate speech is ok. Gotcha.

PJfanwillneverleave1

Free said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
He makes some good points.
However when he says "this is what happens when people go around saying whatever they want".
I think you should be able to say whatever you want all the time and if others don't like it then they have a choice of removing themselves from the rhetoric atmosphere all together. It is healthy to speak your mind. If it lands you in trouble well that's the way the cookie crumbles.

So hate speech is ok. Gotcha.

No it's not.
But if you speak it, it will land you in hot water.

PJ_Soul

Right.
Trump is actually inciting hate/violence at this point... Isn't that illegal?